Smoking is... good?

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In 2020 European Union ban methol cigarettes, menthol flavored tabacco and cigarettes with menthol capsules in filter. They claims that menthol cigarettes are more atractive for smokers and youth than regular cigarettes.

In Poland I can buy small cardboard with menthol and put it into cigarrete package. In this
way you can have legal menthol cigarettes.

I would not recommend to smoke commercial cigarettes with commercial menthol. I don't know if they use synthetic menthol or natural menthol, but I don't trust them.


BTW. There is theory that cadmium in tabacco couse cancer. Does all tabacoo leaves contain cadmium or only those that grows in area where soil is reach in this element? Is throat cancer is more popular than lung cancer?
I came across this Canadian article saying menthol vaping issue is due to high vapour particles it produces. They are talking about commercial products that contains additives that makes it addictive.


Several of the chemicals used in flavoured e-cigarettes have been suspected for years of causing serious and irreversible lung damage(opens in a new tab) in people who vape, and new research suggests one "vape juice" flavour is especially harmful.

Adding mint flavour to e-cigarette liquids produces more vapour particles and is associated with worse lung function in those who smoke, researchers from the University of Pittsburgh reported in a study(opens in a new tab) published in the medical journal Respiratory Research on April 10.

"Many people, especially youth, erroneously assume that vaping is safe, but even nicotine-free vaping mixtures contain many compounds that can potentially damage the lungs," said Kambez H. Benam, senior author and associate professor at the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine, in a media release. "Just because something is safe to consume as food does not mean that it’s safe to inhale."

Using a biologically-inspired robotic system that mimics how a human inhales from a vape pen or e-cigarette, Benam and his team showed that commercially available e-cigarette liquids containing menthol generate a greater number of toxic microparticles compared to menthol-free juice.

The team also analyzed patient records from a cohort of e-cigarette smokers that revealed menthol vapers took shallower breaths and had poorer lung function compared to non-menthol smokers regardless of age, gender, race, years of smoking or whether they used nicotine or cannabis-containing vaping products.

Menthol is a flavour additive with a minty taste and aroma that the U.S. Food and Drug Administration says reduces the irritation and harshness of smoking, increasing the appeal of smoking for youth and young adults. Menthol also interacts with nicotine in the brain to enhance nicotine’s addictive effects, making it harder for people who smoke menthol cigarettes to quit smoking. For these reasons, the U.S. FDA has begun to pressure the tobacco industry to stop using menthol(opens in a new tab) in products like cigarettes and cigars.

However, according to Benam and his co-authors, the vaping market is expanding too quickly for regulators to keep up with.

This is partly because traditional toxicity testing involving animals or living cells grown on a Petri dish can take months to produce high-quality, clinically-relevant data. According to the study, testing the safety of aerosolized products – otherwise known as vape pens or e-cigarettes – is further complicated because tests are usually conducted using mice and rats, despite the fact that their respiratory anatomy is so different from ours.

The vaping robot Benam and his team developed mimics the temperature, humidity and puff volume and duration of a human smoker. It can also simulate the patterns of healthy and diseased breathing and can reliably predict lung toxicity related to e-cigarettes.

The team hopes the research will show how their device can improve pre-clinical studies that look at how vaping liquids and additives combine to create different health effects. Mostly, though, they hope it demonstrates how e-cigarettes might not be the innocent alternative to cigarettes that clever marketing portrays them as.

"The main message that we want to put out there is for people, especially young adults, who haven’t smoked before," Benam said. "Switching to e-cigarettes may be a better, safer alternative for someone who is trying to quit smoking regular tobacco products. But it’s important to have full knowledge of e-cigarettes’ risks and benefits before trying them."

A GROWING BODY OF RESEARCH​

Flavoured vaping products have been on the market in Canada(opens in a new tab) since at least 2004 and in the U.S.(opens in a new tab) since the late 1990s, and a growing body of research is shedding light on the specific ways the chemicals they contain damage lungs.

A study published by researchers from Massachusetts General Hospital in May 2022 was the first to microscopically examine the lung tissue of a small number of e-cigarette users for chronic disease. That study found fibrosis and damage in the small airways,(opens in a new tab) similar to the chemical inhalation damage typically seen in soldiers returning from overseas conflicts who had inhaled mustard gas or similar types of noxious gases.

“We also observed that when patients ceased vaping, they had a partial reversal of the condition over one to four years, though not complete due to residual scarring in the lung tissue," Dr. Lida Hariri, lead author and physician investigator at Massachusetts General Hospital, said in a media release.

That study was published in the medical journal NEJM Evidence on May 13, and is one of several(opens in a new tab) in recent years to raise the alarm(opens in a new tab) about the damaging effects of vaping on lung tissue, blood vessels(opens in a new tab) and the brain.
 
I'm very new to smoking as I only started in May this year, but so far it's not going as well as I had hoped.

Hey everyone, I have a little update on my earlier posts. I stopped smoking after the feedback here, but around a month ago I started daily HBOT sessions. Coincidentally, after around 10 sessions in, I was in a social situation where people smoked and I pinched one cigarette. To my surprise, I was perfectly fine afterwards. I’ve been smoking a cigarette a day almost daily since, and I was at a family gathering last weekend where I practically chain smoked all night, but I thought that this specific brand simply agreed with me. Yet today I tried a brand that used to make me feel unwell and I was fine too. No negative response whatsoever. Heck, it was as if I hadn’t smoked anything at all and I smoked two cigarettes in quick succession!

Before HBOT I’d get dizzy and nauseas with the very first couple of puffs and it would just get worse from there. I’d then need a very long recovery while sitting down, and usually I’d feel off for the rest of the day.

I thought long and hard about it and there is nothing else that could have had this effect. There have been no other changes to my lifestyle or diet that would fit the timeframes.

I must admit I’m pretty shocked - and glad too. I’ve been having surprisingly good and very noticeable results with HBOT, but this one is the most unexpected one. I’ll be switching to organic tobacco now that I know it won’t be a waste of money. I still have at least 20 sessions to go and I hope smoking sticks!

Basically, no smoking genes - 0 / HBOT - 1 :cool2:
 
Hey everyone, I have a little update on my earlier posts. I stopped smoking after the feedback here, but around a month ago I started daily HBOT sessions. Coincidentally, after around 10 sessions in, I was in a social situation where people smoked and I pinched one cigarette. To my surprise, I was perfectly fine afterwards. I’ve been smoking a cigarette a day almost daily since, and I was at a family gathering last weekend where I practically chain smoked all night, but I thought that this specific brand simply agreed with me. Yet today I tried a brand that used to make me feel unwell and I was fine too. No negative response whatsoever. Heck, it was as if I hadn’t smoked anything at all and I smoked two cigarettes in quick succession!

Before HBOT I’d get dizzy and nauseas with the very first couple of puffs and it would just get worse from there. I’d then need a very long recovery while sitting down, and usually I’d feel off for the rest of the day.

I thought long and hard about it and there is nothing else that could have had this effect. There have been no other changes to my lifestyle or diet that would fit the timeframes.

I must admit I’m pretty shocked - and glad too. I’ve been having surprisingly good and very noticeable results with HBOT, but this one is the most unexpected one. I’ll be switching to organic tobacco now that I know it won’t be a waste of money. I still have at least 20 sessions to go and I hope smoking sticks!

Basically, no smoking genes - 0 / HBOT - 1 :cool2:

That's an interesting connection. A few moths ago, after my HBOT sessions, I developed a craving for tobacco(I thought it was a craving for buckwheat since I don't smoke and did not recognize the craving). After a few weeks of this craving though I tried smoking and found I tolerated it well but I can't handle very much. I didn't think it was the HBOT that had this effect but it might have been. I've been tapering the amount I can smoke and I'm finding about a quarter cigarette a few times a day does the trick(not sure if that qualifies as being a smoker since it's so little but I choose to identify as a smoker so there haha).
 
Dr Gaby re-posted a tweet from @Outdoctrination
here.

I thought it would be useful for this thread, so here is the text of the tweet

Nicotine is a profound therapy for the gut.Yes, really. Here's why:
1. Smoking reduces the risk of gut problemsRisk of IBS is nearly ONE THIRD among smokers, and about ONE SIXTH specifically for smoking women.Ulcerative colitis, an IBD, has consistently been INVERSELY associated with smoking cigarettes.(NOT ADVICE)
2. Nicotine improves inflammatory bowel diseaseAt ~17 mg / day, nicotine patches were shown to improve:⋆ Stool frequency⋆ Abdominal pain⋆ Fecal urgency⋆ Physical structure of the gutMultiple studies have shown similar improvements.
3. Nicotine improves "leaky gut"Nicotine significantly enhances the tight junction proteins that hold together the lining of the gut.This lining is impaired in EVERY digestive disorder.This "leaky gut" allows food components and bacteria to be exposed to the immune tissue of the gut, initiating severe inflammation in the gut and systemically,but nicotine prevents this process.
4. The cholinergic anti-inflammatory pathwayWe have receptors on nervous & immune cells on that probe for the compound acetylcholine.One of these classes of acetylcholine (or cholinergic) receptors is literally called the nicotinic acetylcholine receptors(because they are stimulated by nicotine, obviously).Stimulation of one of these receptors (with acetylcholine or nicotine) can promote an anti-inflammatory pathway in the immune system.This is part of the reason why vagus nerve stimulation is so powerful - it creates cholinergic signaling in the gut and thus alleviates inflammation.
5. Nicotine improves gut motilityOne of the primary roles of the gut's nervous system is to create gut motility.The cholinergic system is the tool it uses to get this done.Cholinergics often have pro gut motility properties.Nicotine is one of them(it makes you poop, this is good).
6. Nicotine decreases inflammation in response to endotoxinEndotoxin is a powerful inflammation promoter that originates from bacteria in the gut.However, administering a nicotine patch (7 mg) was shown to decrease endotoxin associated inflammatory mediators:⋆ TNFα⋆ IL-6& increase the anti-inflammatory IL-10, all of which are critical mediators in inflammatory bowel disease.
7. ConclusionsNicotine, through stimulation of the vagus / cholinergic associated systems in the gut:⋆ Is a powerful anti-inflammatory⋆ Enhances gut motility⋆ Cuts down the risk for certain gut conditions⋆ Even treats these conditions!
I AM NOT SAYING TO START SMOKING, or to pick up any type of nicotine, that decision is yours.
It can be addictive of course.
However, nicotine in general seems to be unfairly demonized and has massive potential in medicine.
Other ways to support the cholinergic system are to focus on (or even supplement) the nutrients that support our body's production of acetylcholine:• Choline• B1 • B2 • B5 • B9 • B12 • Glycine • Methionine • Creatine
There are also other cholinergics like alpha GPC, Alpha GPC, CDP-Choline, ALCAR and more.
You can also support your parasympathetic ("rest and digest), vagus dominant, cholinergic system with:• Pregnenolone• Grounding, being outside• Humming • Breathing practices (nasal, diaphragmatic breathing)& more.


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@Kay Kim - Thanks so much for reminding me of Dr. Ardis in one of your posts!
Remembered his show Episode 04.10.2024 - The Other "N" Word. Very Illuminating (or lit up). 🚬🤓

SUMMARY
In this podcast episode, Dr. Ardis explores the controversial topic of nicotine, challenging commonly held beliefs about its addictiveness and highlighting its potential benefits for health. He discusses the history of misinformation surrounding nicotine addiction and presents evidence suggesting that nicotine may have therapeutic effects, particularly in treating diseases like Parkinson's and multiple sclerosis. Dr. Ardis also delves into the role of nicotine in COVID-19, discussing studies that have found potential protective effects against the virus. Additionally, he addresses the presence of snake venom phosphodiesterase in COVID-19 vaccines and recommends natural ingredients to neutralize its effects. Throughout the episode, Dr. Ardis advocates for a reevaluation of public health policies and encourages listeners to question mainstream narratives about nicotine.
 
On the topic of smoking tolerance, it seems that it's not for me. I've done it for the past several years but it leaves a lasting irritation in my throat and there really is no smooth tobacco, not for me. There were a few times it was genuinely beneficial, but only in very rare and unusual circumstances. The largest factor I can identify is what I think of as my antioxidant status. If I take large amounts of vitamin C, the tobacco is a lot smoother, but I still don't feel any demonstrable benefit. As an example, 7g of vitamin C will help me with one cigarrette, but then I don't get the benefit of the vitamin C for the other things I might have taken it for. Even if I am taking large amounts of it all week, the irritation still develops in my throat and doesn't go away unless I stop.

Early on my solution to this was very, very careful packing of RYO cigarettes. At some very specific density of tobacco, it becomes very smooth. The problem is that if the grind, cut, moisture, or variety of tobacco changes, the recipe must also change. This lead to very lightly packed 70mm cigarettes (0.6-0.8g in general), with very careful selection of paper (OCB black carton with crest, anything else is much worse). The paper was the third largest factor in tolerance after the tobacco type itself. I even had to make a habit of dusting off the papers since the papers seem to come with some sort of irritating dust, possibly mold which is a common problem in paper mills and storage.

All these factors were present in pipe smoking but with the added complication that getting a clean, smooth burn required mastering packing and drawing the smoke in a very specific way (moderate pull for a fraction of a second and then dropping to a slow pull).

I don't think I am crazy because when I have tried commercial cigarettes, they have somehow addressed all of these problems, despite what added toxins may be lurking. But still the persistant throat irritation remains.

As with most of my health/diet related issues in life, I spend inordinate months or years of my life not wanting to think that I should just not eat eggs, or whatever it is (especially if no one else seems to be experiencing the same thing). A few months ago I decided that after all this time and observation I have a reasonable argument for just not doing it anymore. Even beyond that, when I do smoke regularly it has a bad effect on my mental state. It makes me prone to overly cynical thoughts and unable to freely enjoy anything. This is not the case when my antioxidants are working, but in order to address that I would have to be taking 7-10g of vitamin C daily, assuming the problem is a nail and the solution is a hammer.

So I still smoke occasionally, but any more than one cigarrette 2 days in a row is pushing it. Maybe there is some other problem I need to address, but until then I think smoking is doing more harm than good. I still wonder about it because of the known benefits of smoking, but I would guess that those who don't tolerate smoking probably won't receive the same benefits.


So from my experence these are indications that smoking may not be for you:

The body doesn't seem handle the oxidative stress and doesn't recover within hours (you must know the signs of this in your body, but weak points like teeth or aches act like canaries)
You have tried a variety of different strains of tobacco (like a sampler pack) and none of them seem to be smooth enough
It consistently worsens your mood
There is persistent throat or airway irritation
It disrupts the flow of thought in a negative way
There is little in the way of experienced benefit
 
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On the topic of smoking tolerance, it seems that it's not for me. I've done it for the past several years but it leaves a lasting irritation in my throat and there really is no smooth tobacco, not for me. There were a few times it was genuinely beneficial, but only in very rare and unusual circumstances. The largest factor I can identify is what I think of as my antioxidant status. If I take large amounts of vitamin C, the tobacco is a lot smoother, but I still don't feel any demonstrable benefit. As an example, 7g of vitamin C will help me with one cigarrette, but then I don't get the benefit of the vitamin C for the other things I might have taken it for. Even if I am taking large amounts of it all week, the irritation still develops in my throat and doesn't go away unless I stop.

Early on my solution to this was very, very careful packing of RYO cigarettes. At some very specific density of tobacco, it becomes very smooth. The problem is that if the grind, cut, moisture, or variety of tobacco changes, the recipe must also change. This lead to very lightly packed 70mm cigarettes (0.6-0.8g in general), with very careful selection of paper (OCB black carton with crest, anything else is much worse). The paper was the third largest factor in tolerance after the tobacco type itself. I even had to make a habit of dusting off the papers since the papers seem to come with some sort of irritating dust, possibly mold which is a common problem in paper mills and storage.

All these factors were present in pipe smoking but with the added complication that getting a clean, smooth burn required mastering packing and drawing the smoke in a very specific way (moderate pull for a fraction of a second and then dropping to a slow pull).

I don't think I am crazy because when I have tried commercial cigarettes, they have somehow addressed all of these problems, despite what added toxins may be lurking. But still the persistant throat irritation remains.

As with most of my health/diet related issues in life, I spend inordinate months or years of my life not wanting to think that I should just not eat eggs, or whatever it is (especially if no one else seems to be experiencing the same thing). A few months ago I decided that after all this time and observation I have a reasonable argument for just not doing it anymore. Even beyond that, when I do smoke regularly it has a bad effect on my mental state. It makes me prone to overly cynical thoughts and unable to freely enjoy anything. This is not the case when my antioxidants are working, but in order to address that I would have to be taking 7-10g of vitamin C daily, assuming the problem is a nail and the solution is a hammer.

So I still smoke occasionally, but any more than one cigarrette 2 days in a row is pushing it. Maybe there is some other problem I need to address, but until then I think smoking is doing more harm than good. I still wonder about it because of the known benefits of smoking, but I would guess that those who don't tolerate smoking probably won't receive the same benefits.


So from my experence these are indications that smoking may not be for you:

The body doesn't seem handle the oxidative stress and doesn't recover within hours (you must know the signs of this in your body, but weak points like teeth or aches act like canaries)
You have tried a variety of different strains of tobacco (like a sampler pack) and none of them seem to be smooth enough
It consistently worsens your mood
There is persistent throat or airway irritation
It disrupts the flow of thought in a negative way
There is little in the way of experienced benefit

Have you tried vaping? I find it much more smooth than RYO smokes.
 
Russian MPs to back groundbreaking smoking ban – speaker
The head of Russia's parliament announced on Wednesday he expects MPs to support a bill to outlaw smoking and vaping for the next generation. It would mean that those born after 2009 will never be legally able to buy tobacco, to vape or use hookahs.



Last month, Russian President Vladimir Putin urged young people to stay away from e-cigarettes. They are quite harmful and don’t make users look cool, he said, adding that acquiring them is no big deal compared with real achievements in sports or academia.
I guess everyone has their blind spots. I especially find Putin’s comment hilarious. Dude is so old-school he is stuck in the 80’s view of smoking; people smoke to look cool. :halo:

I'm off to have a smoke with my sunglasses on, so I look cool! :lol::cool2:
 
A little update since my July post.
I've slightly increased my pipe smoking with Nicotiana Rustica: I'm less dizzy from it, so I guess it was just a matter of adapting.
Most importantly, my heart Afib seems to have almost disappeared for the moment. It would seem to confirm Dr. Ardis and other video on nicotine topic being beneficial. I've ordered the patches as a backup.

I took a couple of Iodine drops here and there with the morning salt water and selenium protocol. But very randomly, so I don't think it weighs in the equation for the moment.
 
Russian MPs to back groundbreaking smoking ban – speaker

I guess everyone has their blind spots. I especially find Putin’s comment hilarious. Dude is so old-school he is stuck in the 80’s view of smoking; people smoke to look cool. :halo:

I'm off to have a smoke with my sunglasses on, so I look cool! :lol::cool2:
On the times I’ve quit for various reasons (pregnancy, trying to soothe addictive tendencies) I can only say that smoking looks even cooler, I get reformed smoker envy, especially if they’re smoking in the car. It seems Putin is no fun, nothing at all wrong with smoking and sport as a combo, I often take my smokes on long walks and used to be jonesing so bad for one after a big gym session, if I’m working out at home I definitely have a few puffs in between sets.

I feel bad for all those post 2009 Russian kids.

Someone gotta send Putin some nice fat cigars as an apology for his bowing down to his masters!!
 
Smoking will never lose its niche appeal. I got into smoking when I got into drinking beer as a student in London back in 1995. I didn't become a regular smoker till 1998 but in those early years I'd have a semi regular pack of Bensons while I'd drink with my mates in Soho pubs. So yeah, smoking was cool. It always will be, and the comment by the Cs that smoking aids cognition should be heeded by the naysayers. Plus it would prove to be an ice breaker with strangers needing a light in random moments. I can send my soul into a reverie just thinking back on wild nights out living in London in the 90s.

Some of my best nights out have featured hours spent in beer gardens, smoking cigs and holding court in a semi drunken fashion. I'm actually amazed that I can actually recall most of my memorable nights out over the years. Maybe being able to do that has something to do with the cognitive benefits of smoking? It wouldn't surprise me. If I drink 3 beers, I'll smoke 4 cigs in that time too.

The mainstream science and anti-smoking vibe of modern society has made us a kind of ghetto crew now, us smokers. I face each morning with a strong black coffee and a hand rolled American Spirit cig. I've lived this way since the summer of 2006. It helps to centre me, and I'm aware of pleasure centres in the brain being activated by the combination too. I've said it many times, I'm prepared if they make it illegal, I know people on the local docks who bring in duty-free import tobacco pouches from Poland. So I've managed to keep all bases covered. I love smoking, and I'll defend it against anyone who dares to tell me what I can and cannot do with my own brain and my own body. :cool2:
 
Smoking will never lose its niche appeal. I got into smoking when I got into drinking beer as a student in London back in 1995. I didn't become a regular smoker till 1998 but in those early years I'd have a semi regular pack of Bensons while I'd drink with my mates in Soho pubs. So yeah, smoking was cool. It always will be, and the comment by the Cs that smoking aids cognition should be heeded by the naysayers. Plus it would prove to be an ice breaker with strangers needing a light in random moments. I can send my soul into a reverie just thinking back on wild nights out living in London in the 90s.

Some of my best nights out have featured hours spent in beer gardens, smoking cigs and holding court in a semi drunken fashion. I'm actually amazed that I can actually recall most of my memorable nights out over the years. Maybe being able to do that has something to do with the cognitive benefits of smoking? It wouldn't surprise me. If I drink 3 beers, I'll smoke 4 cigs in that time too.

The mainstream science and anti-smoking vibe of modern society has made us a kind of ghetto crew now, us smokers. I face each morning with a strong black coffee and a hand rolled American Spirit cig. I've lived this way since the summer of 2006. It helps to centre me, and I'm aware of pleasure centres in the brain being activated by the combination too. I've said it many times, I'm prepared if they make it illegal, I know people on the local docks who bring in duty-free import tobacco pouches from Poland. So I've managed to keep all bases covered. I love smoking, and I'll defend it against anyone who dares to tell me what I can and cannot do with my own brain and my own body. :cool2:
Cheers to that (minus the beers)

I love smoking too, Australia keeps hiking up the prices as a deterrent, but I have zero commitment issues when it comes to smoking and will always go without something else if it means being able to spend precious time with my best friend. Can’t think of a time when smokes have let me down. If ciggies were a person they’d be the most reliable buddy I have ever had the pleasure of knowing.
 
Has anyone tried going from weed to tobacco and have any advice or experiences to share? Let me explain.

I quit tobacco two years ago because it was an addiction and made me feel extremely sick + crappy. I was buying, although the highest quality, smokes from a convenience store. Not organic or hand rolled except for a short period of time.

I have noticed a lot of deep programming coming up anytime I read the c's and the forum talk about how smoking / nicotine is actually good for us and helping depending on the individual. and yet I hear in the back of my mind when I read the positive affects "lies!!'

Well, I've been using weed to cope- mostly for sleeping. Although, I've done inner work for 14+ - there's just been none stop traumatic events and plus knowing the true state of the world at a young age without proper support or network has caused a lot of evil terrifying visceral dreams causing me to have insomnia since I was a kid. I've tried to quit weed multiple times with varying results, I have never made it past 6 months because sleep has still not improved and the quality of life was declining. We need sleep!

I had a "random" thought pop into my brain today - what if I switched my weed habit for really good quality tobacco?

Like one of the post said on the Tucker Carlson thread, cannabis ends up amplifying the problems that someone starts using weed for to begin with where was tobacco/nicotine actually has benefits on cognition (and keeping STS aliens away, whoo!)

I'm nervous to try this though because I don't want to just switch one addiction for another without dealing with the root causes but I also do feel called to try something new while I'm still going deep to heal the roots.

Does anyone have any suggestions for a novice getting into smoking with my specific situation in mind? I know there's lots of great advice on the thread but I still feel called to ask.

Thanks in advance!
 
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