Soul, genes, karma and learning 3D lessons

[T.C.]

And this, after I've just recently read Man's Search For Meaning by Viktor Frankl, about life in the Nazi concentration camps. It's also just been the 70th anniversary of Auschwitz this week...

Starting to freak out a little here

 

[Charade]

Comment: In some shamanistic belief systems it is held that the deeds of our ancestors can have an effect on our lives, that a 'sin' (or good deed) can actually be inherited. Previously it has been shown that behaviour can indeed be affected by events in previous generations and passed on through genetic memory. However, the research mentioned in this present article goes even further. Here, not just the information of events in past generations can be inherited, but also the direct circumstances of our lives.

It is interesting that modern science may have stumbled upon a way to explain this shamanistic belief. It may also explain the 'functioning' of the so-called "family constellation" work, an alternative therapeutic method where past family events are brought back into awareness. Had the ancient shamans access to a long forgotten science?





Freeing yourself from the wrong kind of stress (wasting energy) reduces the speed of emptying of the methyl bucket. You can then use the reserves to face useful stress (the Work) and adapt.

The number one drain on these resources is chronic disease and lack of good quality sleep. The second largest drain is social/emotional stress (either external or internal in the form of anxieties/thought loops and negative self image). Lastly there is things like cold showers, going keto, exams, and heavy prolonged exercise.

One of the default programs this can generate is stress avoidance (laziness, procrastination, even social anxiety).








I am trying to wrap my head around and embrace the concepts related in this thread. Thanks, Joe, for starting it and all who have commented. It is getting so much more complicated that I'm losing my original urge to jump in with my two cents....

I am recovering from double hip replacement. It has given me the excuse to break away from the usual stress and daily demands of life. I wonder how much of this contributed to the chronic pain and arthritis taking hold in me. My father had both hips replaced, back surgery for sciatic nerve pain (which I have also had). He has Type 2 diabetes, Glaucoma and macular degeneration. My brother and sister do not have any of these conditions. I have had a physically active life but, at 57 years old, I am relatively young to have completely worn out my hips. So it's genetics. But I have suspected that it is more than this, as this thread suggests and I welcome the added explanation. I have made similar life choices as my father and I wonder if that has put my on a probable timeline that resulted in unavoidable physical issues. I have gone Keto to avoid the inflammation that could bring on diabetes and the sight diseases. I was in denial about my hips until it was obvious I would be in a wheel chair unless I figured out why I couldn't move anymore and how had I allowed myself to be in excruciating pain for 6 years. Denial. Chronic pain definitely changes one's outlook and personality in negative ways. I thought with diet, supplements, and cleansing I could fix my pain. I felt defeated to admit I needed help and surgery was necessary. I was scared to be like my father. Or either if my parents. I've seen in our very small number of family members, each generation seems to have higher soul attainment. Such amazing children and grandchild.

Over my life I've questioned choices, turning points, I've made that by now have me on 'Plan D' as I refer to the branching of possibilities that make me who and where I am right now by the Karma I've created just in this life. So many regrets at stupid, foolish, selfish decisions. With the time to reflect that this is in many ways a fresh start for me, I don't feel assurance that I will have much change, at least at first. I'm going back to the same job which is physically and emotionally stressful. I joke that I am happy being a shut in. But I don't really believe there's anything 'out there' I want enough to make the efforts worth it. I'll be doing it to pay the bills and that will kill my spirit again. That is what is unconscious to me now. Purpose, the reason for being. I'm confused about regaining balance and direction, spiritually, after I have spent so much time torecover my physical balance and strength.

That all this ties into ancestral, past and present genetics and mental/emotional expressions conscious and unconscious does seem impossible to overcome. I have always felt like the cards were stacked against us in very deliberate way that makes it really hard to figure out what game we are playing.

I am grateful for the wealth of information available in this forum. I have trouble putting it together as well as others can. I at least try to be aware right and left without. Maybe it's the within I don't know much about. Sharing the many doubts I have is hard.

 

[Buddy]

I'm not assuming ANYTHING, but the experience of today does have the flavour of a message from the universe. I've never had any kind of idea about whether I've had a past life or anything, but now I'm wondering if the Universe is trying to hint at the idea that maybe, I ended my days in a camp.

God, it's too awful to consider.

Starting to freak out a little here

Hold on a moment, T.C. There may be more possible explanations to explore before you make a personal connection. If you're going to select and associatively connect items like a dream, a quote and a book, then get ALL the possible items.

Laura's mentioned the concept of permeable boundaries in association with an act of channeling, Charade just posted bits related to shamanism. There's the concept of GAIA consciousness, Akashic records, Teilhard Chardin's noosphere or thought-sphere, spirit attachments bringing baggage with them, etc., etc. There may also be even more material, vetted or unvetted and not-yet-discovered that could be associatively connected.

My point is that the connection to a past life of yours is not yet a necessary piece of your personal puzzle. You could be scaring yourself unnecessarily and before you could be ready to "read" these records. Our conscious awareness, or consciousness, itself, or DNA (with the associated idea of "enfolding") could be an interface to memory records of all that has come before now in man's history and in terms of man's inhumanity to man. It's an idea. May not seem less scary, but maybe it could help keep you from going off the deep end. :)

 

[T.C.]

Thanks for all those points, Buddy. I never would have thought of it from a birds-eye view like that.

May not seem less scary, but maybe it could help keep you from going off the deep end. :)

I soon calmed down after making those posts. I panicked a bit, and that manifested as posting what was spinning round in my head as a way of releasing it. Sorry for the noise, everyone.

 

[axj]

This seems to be the most in-depth thread on the topics of karma and intergenerational trauma, though it is already 9 years old. Instead of starting a new thread, maybe it is better to continue this one. Revisiting what was shared here may help others as well.

I have a question that I cannot seem to find an answer to for several years now:

For me the experience of something like 'negative karma' (or possibly intergenerational trauma, they seem hard to distinguish) is most challenging on the emotional level.

Basically, sometimes more or less persistent intense 'emotions' or 'energies' comes up that are not the usual emotional wounds or emotional charges from this lifetime. Even though these intense 'karmatic energies' seem to be at the root of the emotional wounds I received in childhood, almost like the specific type of wounding is 'attracted' by these karmatic energies.

The question for me is what to do about these intense 'karmatic energies' that seem to impact the emotional center the most. Some things I have been doing over the years seem to work to a certain extent (and it is basically what works with regular wounding as well):

- Just being present with the intense energies and their effects on the emotional level, instead of suppressing them
- Finding love, acceptance, approval or forgiveness and holding it together with the intense karmatic energies (more difficult)
- Looking at beliefs associated with the intense karmatic stuff also sometimes helps

It does seem that "working through" such karmatic energies can take a lot of time and effort. A few times it also seemed like I was simply reexperiencing something like a past-life trauma, maybe a kind of "emotional death charge". I do not usually remember the cause of the intense karmatic energies, though I do sometimes have seemingly random 'memory flashes' of what seem to be past lives.

Is there anyhing else someone can recommend as far as what helps them overcome similar karmatic issues?

 

[Wandering Star]

Is there anyhing else someone can recommend as far as what helps them overcome similar karmatic issues?

Something very simple helps me.

You, with all your problems and traumas, will not last.

In another life you will be the opposite sex, you will be fat, your parents..., whatever.

Above that you are more.

You are more.

And that's who you really are and will last.

This is the point of view I think about from time to time to focus myself.

Cheer up.

 

[Maya]

Is there anyhing else someone can recommend as far as what helps them overcome similar karmatic issues?

Observe and try not to take it personaly cause it's not. This life is only school like any other before. But I'm sure you're aware of that. We all easily forget when it gets tough and lately it's 24/7.
Watch out your healthy boundaries, nourish and take care of your self.

Also !

 

[John G]

- Just being present with the intense energies and their effects on the emotional level, instead of suppressing them

Something very simple helps me.
You, with all your problems and traumas, will not last.

Observe and try not to take it personally cause it's not.

Yeah it's not like there's a magic complicated formula. I used to sing happy and sad songs to myself as kind of a prayer in my younger years and the intenseness then was nice. For older me it's more like the lyric "losing all your highs and lows" aka not enough intensity. Thus being practical like the being present, knowing it won't last, and observe while not taking it personally seems best. Thus the song "It's too late" seems best now. Very practically things in the past can be too late to worry about and that's probably especially true for a past life.

 

[axj]

Very practically things in the past can be too late to worry about and that's probably especially true for a past life.

Well, the thing is that past lives (our own or those of our genetic ancestors) do seem to have a major impact in our current incarnations - both positive and negative.

It does seem that just being consciously present with negative karmatic energies and how they feel is the basic simple way of balancing these energies. Even though more 'complicated' approaches like finding forgiveness, acceptance, love while experiencing these 'past life charges' also helps, just like looking at mental beliefs that may have been formed due to the karmatic energies.

Not taking it personally or not getting identified in these intense emotions or energies seems quite important as well. It is even possible that karma is more or less collective in some ways, so that whatever we work through may be at least partly the overall karma of humanity.

 

[Arwenn]

Karma is an interesting topic. I’ve come to think of it not so much as punitive, but rather lessons to be learned. Perhaps some karmic burdens can be lessened with forgiveness, acceptance, atonement etc, but some are unavoidable lessons that we have chosen at some level of our Being (what the Cs refer to as karmic level 1 processes).

Session 19 October 1994

A: Can't help with karmic level 1 processes.

Q: (L) What is a karmic level 1 process?

A: Major predestined lesson or mission.

Regarding forgiveness, I’m reminded of the list of things to do for protection from hyper dimensional manipulation, one of which is making amends (atoning) to those whom we have wronged (if that’s not possible, then the world at large):
Session 18 May 2019

List of things to do in order to protect oneself against hyperdimensional manipulations and harm:

• Avoid dissociating and feeding negative thought loops: dissociating is being in a fantasy and not paying attention to reality. If you dissociate, you have negative thoughts that lead to negative thought loops.
• Diet: having a bad diet contributes to ingesting the chemicals that the STS forces wants us to ingest in order to poison us and mess up our antennae.
  • Is good to do intermittent fasting.
• Share impressions and troubles: thoughts, worries, fears, etc. Not doing this “dramatically changes the inner landscape and can even shut down the receptors so that you are more subject to STS manipulation of thoughts and feelings via mechanical means.”
• Make amends when possible to the wronged person, and when not possible making those amends to the world at large: in case that trying to make amends would make things worse we can achieve redemption by giving to the universe and others in need.
• Conserve energy and not feeding STS dynamics: STS uses many tricks and traps to suck people into negative dynamics so that they become food. When you become food, you're feeding the STS side and empowering it against not only your own best interests, but also against the best interests of STO itself. We have to be careful not to fall into the pity trap, they’ll try to make us feel guilty or sorry for them, and that makes us food. At the same time you're feeding your own ego because you feel like a savior or needed or like you'll get something. It's that dynamic of the feminine vampire.
  • We need to have the right feelings towards the right person in the right context.
• Connect with ancestors and honored saintly type people in 5D for protection: we should find out if we have any ancestors or deceased relatives or somebody who were good and decent people who one can talk to mentally or communicate with by writing letters to them, or dream communication, and ask them for protection. And if you can't find your ancestors, you have to find someone else's ancestors. You can hook up with somebody who has good ancestors, and their ancestors become your ancestors by you having shared realities.
• It would be good for certain people to guide the newly deceased: If there is somebody in your circle of acquaintances or group or whatever who is in the process of passing over or recently did pass over, you could in some way help guide them in the reality to which they may not be accustomed (obviously), but mainly because of their thought patterns during life.
• Use “the mirror” in a group situation as a way to bring people to full awareness of their reality: this should be handled carefully as many are not ready for that advanced work.
• Pray.
• Sing together: it has to be done with the right songs, getting an order of songs to sing in a certain order of a certain type. If everybody sings the same songs around the world, this would be like a limbic link up.
• Divination.
• Apostles Paul’s list of things to avoid and things to enhance:
  • Vices to avoid: fornication, licentiousness, enmity, strife, jealousy, anger, selfishness, dissension, envy, drunkenness. Self-conceit, provoking one another, and envy.
  • Virtues to enhance: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control.
  • It’s important to have in mind that “Whatsoever a man sows, that will he also reap”, and “let us not grow weary or lose heart." Most important to remember the "sowing" part in the context of your antennae and how your antennae determines your future. If you're not taking care of your inner landscape and the immediate world around you in terms of your group and your associations and so forth, you're screwing up your antenna and then you're going to have a bad future because your antenna will attract the wrong things.
• To do Eiriu Eolas together and crystals, etc.

And regular use or application of Reiki:
Session 3 December 1994

Q: (L) Well, in the case of Reiki, what I specifically want to know is if, say an individual is psychically, spiritually, karmically, or otherwise wounded or discombobulated, does the application of Reiki symbols give messages to the electromagnetic field to re-form or re-arrange the pattern in the perfect pattern intended?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And can repeated application of this, can not only physical things, but also etheric things, be healed? That is karma and so forth?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) So that our continual use of Reiki and application to ourselves and each other literally would cleanse us from our karmic burdens, memories or scars of the soul?

A: Yes.

The thread ”Enjoying The Show” as The World Burns has interesting discussions on the concept of karma too.

 

[Ricardo]

On the more "practical side " e-motions are energy so even simple non-exhausting physical exercise can help ( ie it can be literally standing still ) , aside this , ee breathing is mentioned specifically regarding karma in the transcripts . ( even the hindi part of the tradition has breathing exercises so ...)

Session 13 September 2009 :

(...)

A: Just remember that the slow breathing and the meditation and prayer are the most important components. If things move too fast then cut out the round breathing doing it only occasionally.

(...)

 

[ScioAgapeOmnis]

Well, the thing is that past lives (our own or those of our genetic ancestors) do seem to have a major impact in our current incarnations - both positive and negative.

It does seem that just being consciously present with negative karmatic energies and how they feel is the basic simple way of balancing these energies. Even though more 'complicated' approaches like finding forgiveness, acceptance, love while experiencing these 'past life charges' also helps, just like looking at mental beliefs that may have been formed due to the karmatic energies.

Not taking it personally or not getting identified in these intense emotions or energies seems quite important as well. It is even possible that karma is more or less collective in some ways, so that whatever we work through may be at least partly the overall karma of humanity.

I find that I have the most "motivation" to get a grip on my programs when I see that my trauma hurts people I love. Especially kids! I don't know if you have kids, but catching yourself losing your temper with some 9 year olds not because they deserve it but because you're having a bad day or have some trauma-based emotions will definitely stop you in your tracks. If your reaction to some mild annoyance is disproportionate to the crime, and you see the effect it has on the other person - no matter who is on the other side, and if you truly care about them, it gives you serious pause.

I know this isn't really a "technique", others have mentioned some good techniques in general, but I just wanted to mention a way to motivate yourself. There is no better motivation than wanting to not hurt people you love, and wanting to be of service to them and to alleviate their suffering instead of contributing to it. The technique isn't as important as being properly driven first - and you will find the method that works at any cost.

For example even basic things like being healthy. If I was single and alone, I'd be less concerned about my health. Yes you could argue that having a healthy mind/body is very useful for "the Work", but that may not be as motivating as something closer to home. If I think about what will happen if I let myself become unhealthy, and then I get mentally or physically sick as I age, and my girlfriend or brother will have to take care of me as I become a burden - well I don't like that one bit. I know they will take care of me because they love me - but I feel like a scumbag putting someone in that position if I can do something to avoid it.

Most of my motivation to work on myself, to keep putting one foot in front of the other, to not succumb to depression or anxiety or stress or past trauma, to just keep pushing - seems to come from really seeing how my lack of self control, or my laziness, or any other mechanical function hurt or negatively impact someone I truly love. Everyone has stress and is dealing with some serious challenges in their own life - imagine adding yourself as an additional burden to them? Imagine making someone cry because you went too far and said hurtful things because you wanted to "sting" them? I can't think of better fuel/motivation than that.

So if you can really put yourself in the shoes of another and think about what effect your words or actions (including inaction) have on them, and remember that you LOVE this person, it should light a fire under your ass. And I'm not trying to be like "oh look at me I'm so empathic blah blah" - just the opposite. I had to "learn" to be empathic - to truly think about what it means to love someone, which boils down to making their life better, not worse. Empathy and love is a skill that needs to be learned like anything else - or at the very least grown and strengthened like a muscle. By default we are too self absorbed, and we never really tend to think too hard about how we affect others. But the more we practice doing that, the more horrified we are with ourselves, and will be willing to do anything, whatever it takes, to stop hurting them (in all the meanings of that word).

 

[Maya]

I know this isn't really a "technique", others have mentioned some good techniques in general, but I just wanted to mention a way to motivate yourself. There is no better motivation than wanting to not hurt people you love, and wanting to be of service to them and to alleviate their suffering instead of contributing to it. The technique isn't as important as being properly driven first - and you will find the method that works at any cost.

Most of my motivation to work on myself, to keep putting one foot in front of the other, to not succumb to depression or anxiety or stress or past trauma, to just keep pushing - seems to come from really seeing how my lack of self control, or my laziness, or any other mechanical function hurt or negatively impact someone I truly love. Everyone has stress and is dealing with some serious challenges in their own life - imagine adding yourself as an additional burden to them?

This ! Every day. Basics. Thank you for put it so nicely !

 

[ScioAgapeOmnis]

Something I forgot to add - I think the most self-development for me happened after I moved in with my girlfriend and we started living together. Not from reading Gurdjieff or even networking here - all that helped set up the theoretical framework and gives you the understanding of how to use a hammer. But you don't know what to use the hammer on until you live with a person for years. There is just so much that only comes out in such a scenario that you didn't even know was "in there" - the good, the bad, and the ugly.

This is also when I learned that absolutely nothing beats a committed loving long-term relationship. I've had commitment issues in the past, I kept people at arm's length and didn't get too close to anyone, and would break off a relationship right before it got serious. In my case it didn't stem from trust issues or fear of betrayal (I don't think), but fear of responsibility and making a mistake. How can she be "the one" when there's like 4 billion other women, maybe there's someone better out there?

Turns out soul mates are made, not found. If you really love each other, then over the course of years you both will push to increasingly become "the one" for your love. In fact, after having grown together for years, no one you could ever find "out there" could ever come close to a person that spent years getting to know you and themselves, and therefore being able to truly LOVE you objectively and be loved by you, truly. Such love is impossible without knowledge, and this knowledge is impossible without years of being together.

But now you're in it, now there's that dreaded "responsibility" and nowhere to run. And in my case, it was incredibly good for me to do this - because it was the one thing I avoided and feared, so of course that means it's probably the one thing that I needed to do or else I just wouldn't grow and would sit in my comfort zone and stagnate. After 10 years I'm still learning how to love another human being, and with that, I'm learning how to do so many other things. I'm learning how to hold down a job, how to "show up" to life consistently, how to be patient, control my emotions, be pro-active, etc. I don't have an excuse to fail and end up throwing someone who depends on me and loves me under the bus. By committing myself to another person and being partly responsible for their happiness, I basically told my "predator mind" with all its trauma that we're going to do things we don't want to do now, and it's going to be difficult and amazingly fulfilling at the same time.

And yeah I know people say that happiness should come from within. And I used to say that too when I was young and foolish but thought I was so clever - don't ever depend on someone or something external for your happiness. It sounds good on paper. But you know what, I think that's kind of bullshit. That's just pride talking. If I'm brave enough to love someone - you better believe their suffering makes me unhappy. So my happiness depends on THEM being happy and vice versa. It just does. If you can be fully happy and content while your loved ones suffer and the world burns around you, you might just not have a heart or a soul.

I guess you could say that in a way, I *am* responsible for my own happiness - but only by making those around me more happy. If I can add to their joy and reduce their suffering, their life improves, and that makes me happy.

So all that just to say - if you could just let yourself love someone, and let someone love you, I feel like your karma and trauma will, over time, sit down and shut up :D

 

[axj]

So all that just to say - if you could just let yourself love someone, and let someone love you, I feel like your karma and trauma will, over time, sit down and shut up :D

I agree with much of what you said, but 'the devil is in the details' and it is good to be aware of potential pitfalls.

Many or even most intimate relationships seem to develop unhealthy codependency patterns, as people expect their partner to make them happy and fulfilled - instead of healing themselves and finding the deeper connection within. It is from that place that giving and receiving love is natural.

Being loved by someone also cannot really heal our trauma, only our own self-love (or divine love from the Higher Self) can do that.

Most of the time, exactly the opposite seems to happen: the emotional wounds get temporarily 'filled' by receiving love from the partner, but that does not heal the wound or trauma. That is also the main reason why breakups can hurt so much: all the hurting wounds no longer get 'filled' from the outside.

I tend to think that an intimate relationship rests on two pillars and both partners need to be able to work on themselves, instead of falling into the usual toxic STS dynamics of codependency, projection, narcissism, etc.

Which is not say that intimate relationships should be avoided (like monks used to do), quite the opposite. But it does take courage and a lot discernment and knowledge to navigate one. Especially considering that there are forces which can apparently do things like insert OPs as potential 'desirable partners' in our lives in order to sidetrack us.