Soy is VERY dangerous!

Another:
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/197596-The-War-on-Soy-Why-the-Miracle-Food-May-Be-a-Health-Risk-and-Environmental-Nightmare
The War on Soy: Why the 'Miracle Food' May Be a Health Risk and Environmental Nightmare

Tara Lohan
Alternet
Sat, 21 Nov 2009

Vegetarians aren't the only ones who should be concerned; there's soy in just about everything you eat these days -- including hamburgers, mac 'n cheese and salad dressing.

These days, you can get soy versions of just about any meat -- from hot dogs to buffalo wings. If you're lactose-intolerant you can still enjoy soy ice-cream and soy milk on your cereal. If you're out for a hike and need a quick boost of energy, you can nibble on soy candy bars.

Soy is a lucrative industry. According to Soyfoods Association of North America, from 1992 to 2008, sales of soy foods have increased from $300 million to $4 billion. From sales numbers to medical endorsements, it would seem that soy has reached a kind of miracle food status.

In 2000 the American Heart Association gave soy the thumbs up and the FDA proclaimed: "Diets low in saturated fat and cholesterol that include 25 grams of soy protein a day may reduce the risk of heart disease." Over the course of the last decade medical professionals have touted its benefits in fighting not just cardiovascular disease, but cancers, osteoporosis and diabetes.

But soy's glory days may be coming to an end. New research is questioning its health benefits and even pointing out some potential risks. Although definitive evidence may be many years down the road, the American Heart Association has quietly withdrawn its support. And some groups are waging an all-out war, warning that soy can lead to certain kinds of cancers, lowered testosterone levels, and early-onset puberty in girls.

Most of the soy eaten today is also genetically modified, which may pose another set of health risks. The environmental implications of soy production, including massive deforestation, increased use of pesticides and threats to water and soil, are providing more fodder for soy's detractors.

All of this has many people wondering if they should even be eating it at all. And you are most likely eating it. Even if you're not a vegetarian or an avid tofu fan, there is a good chance you're still eating soy. Raj Patel, author of Stuffed and Starved, explains that soy is now an ingredient in three-quarters of processed food on the market and just about everything you'd find in a fast food restaurant. It's used as filler in hamburgers, as vegetable oil and an emulsifier. It's in salad dressing, macaroni and cheese, and chicken nuggets.

"Even if you read every label and avoid cardboard boxes, you are likely to find soy in your supplements and vitamins (look out for vitamin E derived from soy oil), in foods such as canned tuna, soups, sauces, breads, meats (injected under poultry skin), and chocolate, and in pet food and body-care products," wrote Mary Vance for Terrain Magazine. "It hides in tofu dogs under aliases such as textured vegetable protein, hydrolyzed vegetable protein, and lecithin--which is troubling, since the processing required to hydrolyze soy protein into vegetable protein produces excitotoxins such as glutamate (think MSG) and aspartate (a component of aspartame), which cause brain-cell death."

Health Risks or Rewards?

"I grew up in Houston on po' boys and the Wall Street Journal," said Robyn O'Brien. "I trusted our food system." But all that changed when one of her kids developed a food allergy and O'Brien began doing research to find out what's actually in our food and the companies behind it.

Her work led to the book,The Unhealthy Truth: How Our Food Is Making Us Sick and What We Can Do About It, and she's become an incredible crusader on multiple fronts when it comes to food. She's also been educating consumers about soy's double-edged sword.

To understand why, it helps to know a little history about soy. It's been cultivated, starting in China, for 3,000 years. While Asian diets have generally included soy it has been in small amounts eaten fermented -- primarily via miso, natto and tempeh. "Fermenting soy creates health-promoting probiotics, the good bacteria our bodies need to maintain digestive and overall wellness," wrote Vance. "By contrast, in the United States, processed soy food snacks or shakes can contain over 20 grams of non-fermented soy protein in one serving."

It's not that all soy is bad; in fact, eating it in small doses can be quite healthy, if it's fermented. But when it's not, that's where the problems begin. Soy is a legume, which contains high amounts of phytic acid. Phytic acid binds to minerals (like calcium, magnesium, copper, iron and zinc), interfering with the body's ability to absorb them (which is usually a bad thing). Soy is also known to contain "antinutrients," among them enzyme inhibitors that interfere with protein digestion. The Chinese figured out about 2,000 years ago that antinutrients and phytic acid could be deactivated during fermentation, but in the processed-food laden land of the West, we've chosen cultural ignorance in favor of quick and cheap. Most of the soy we eat is unfermented.

Another issue with soy is its high amounts of isoflavones, which can be good and bad (hence the double-edged sword). Isoflavones are a powerful antioxidant, writes Robyn O'Brien in her book, that can help boost immunity. They also impact estrogen levels and have been shown to have positive effects on easing symptoms of menopause. "But that plus can also be a minus," writes O'Brien, "because isoflavones' very ability to boost estrogen production can also pose hazards to our health. For example, the FDA scientists point out, during pregnancy, isoflavones could boost estrogen levels even higher, 'which could be a risk factor for abnormal brain and reproductive tract development.'" There is also a risk of breast and other reproductive cancers for women and the potential for testicular cancer and infertility in men.

While there was much news about the American Heart Association endorsing soy in 2000, there was little attention given when the AHA changed its mind and quietly withdrew its pro-soy claims in 2006, O'Brien points out. She also learned that they were not the only ones who expressed concerned about soy. A study in the British medical journal Lancet in 1996 warned of the effects of soy in infant formula. The study found babies had levels of isoflavones that were five to 10 times higher than women taking soy supplements for menopause. The effects in girls could be early-onset puberty, obesity, breast and reproductive cancers. Boys could face testicular cancer, undescended testicles and infertility. Additionally, O'Brien says, a 2003 British study conducted by Gideon Lack of St. Mary's Hospital at Imperial College London followed 14,000 children from the womb through age 6 and found that kids who had been given soy formula as infants seemed almost three times as likely to develop a peanut allergy later on.

As if all this weren't disturbing enough, there's also another reason to be alarmed -- most of the soy we eat is genetically modified to withstand increasing doses of weed-killing herbicides, and really, we have no idea what the long-term affects of that might be. So, what's a person to do? Stay away from soy as much as possible, which also means avoiding processed foods. And, even if we choose not to eat those things, some of us may end up getting them anyway. "There are different sales channels that these companies are using to sell soy with little regard for the cost to people down the road," said O'Brien. "Soy that is not used in grocery stores, in restaurants, or consumed by livestock, is disposed of in school lunch programs, hospitals, and prisons."

One organization, the Weston A. Price Foundation, is actually engaged in a lawsuit on behalf of Illinois state prisoners who say they're eating a diet made of largely soy protein. "In their letters, the prisoners have described deliberate indifference to a myriad of serious health problems caused by the large amounts of soy in the diet," the WAP Foundation writes.

"Complaints include chronic and painful constipation alternating with debilitating diarrhea, vomiting after eating, sharp pains in the digestive tract after consuming soy, passing out after soy-based meals, heart palpitations, rashes, acne, insomnia, panic attacks, depression and symptoms of hypothyroidism, such as low body temperature (feeling cold all the time), brain fog, fatigue, weight gain, frequent infections and an enlarged thyroid gland."

While the soy industry has profited from the widespread adoption of its products here in the United States, other developed countries have taken a more precautionary approach and not allowed soy to become as pervasive in their food supplies in an effort to protect the health of their citizens, says O'Brien. But it's not just people who are at risk. The deleterious effects of soy can start with the seed.

Goodbye Rainforests, Hello Roundup

Glenn Beck recently chastised Al Gore about his meat eating, telling him that if he really cared about the planet he should put down his burger and pick up some Tofurkey. But unfortunately, it's not that simple. Increasing evidence is showing that soy production is also catastrophic for the environment. Just like a beef burger, a soy-based veggie patty may also be leading to deforestation, water depletion, and pesticide pollution. But it's also important to note that the vast majority of soy produced globally isn't used for tofu and veggie sausage -- it's actually used to fatten livestock and create biofuels (so, yeah, you may still want to put down the burger).

"Soy is a really sexy crop; it's fantastic. It's nitrogen fixing, it's full of protein; it's very rich and flexible," Raj Patel said in an interview with New America Media.

"The tragedy is that the way we grow it today has turned a blessing into a curse because the way that soy agriculture works is monocultural, which means it takes over large parts of land. In Brazil, that means the Cerrado and the rainforest in the Amazon, and they are draining the water that is beneath that land. There are even some soy and biofuel plantations in Brazil where the International Labor Organization says there are 40,000 slaves working today. Slaves! In Brazil, producing biofuels and soy."

Brazil is one of the leading soy producers in the world, second only to the U.S. and poised to quickly move to the top spot. And overall, the growth of the world market is huge, with global production doubling over the past 20 years and 210 million tons produced a year.

But it has also led to problems. Countries across Latin America, including Argentina, Paraguay and Bolivia, are experiencing environmental problems similar to Brazil's. Rainforests are cleared, carbon emissions increase, indigenous and small farmers are displaced, aquifers are sucked dry, roads are built through sensitive ecosystems, and heavy pesticide use threatens waterways, soils and the health of locals. And as with all industrial monocultural farming, the rich (Monsanto, Cargill, and Bunge) get richer and the poor get poorer.

"The soy 'gold rush' has attracted fierce competition for land, leading to violence and murder," Marianne Betterly summarized in Mariri Magazine. "Hundreds of acres of rainforest are being cleared everyday, often by slave 'debt' laborers, to make room for more soy plantations."

So, we may get our cheap burgers and a deluge of soy-infused foods, but at great cost.

Adding to all these environmental problems with soy is the fact that much of the world's soy (and 85 percent of the U.S crop) is genetically engineered. Since the early '90s farmers in the United States (and now across the world) have been using Monsanto's Roundup Ready soy that is genetically engineered to be resistant to the herbicide Roundup, which is liberally sprayed on the crop to kill weeds.

Much of the promise of GE crops was that they'd lead to the use of less pesticides and herbicides, which threaten both human and environmental health. But that hasn't actually panned out. Co-Op America reported.

"Because herbicide-tolerant crops are designed to withstand application of weed killers, farmers can apply large amounts of pesticides without fear of harming their crops. The U.S. has seen more than a 15-fold increase in the use of glyphosate, or Monsanto's Roundup herbicide, on major crops from 1994 to 2005,"

And more damning evidence has just been released. A new study that just came out this week funded by a coalition of non-governmental organizations including the Union of Concerned Scientists, the Center for Food Safety, the Cornerstone Campaign, Californians for GE-Free Agriculture, Greenpeace International and Rural Advancement Fund International USA, found that GE corn, soybean and cotton crops have increased the use of weed-killing herbicides in the U.S. by 383 million pounds from 1996 to 2008.

The study will surely be accompanied by more alarms bells set off by small farmers, environmentalists and organic supporters. And it will be one more battle in the war against soy that's being fought on both health and environmental fronts. Perhaps it will make people think twice before eating soy products, processed food and even most meat.

There are links in the sott version, so check it out to follow them.
 
Found this on the BBC's "most shared" (today) section
]Soy 'stops cancer and baldness'

Scientists have claimed that eating soy could help prevent men from developing prostate cancer and from going bald.

US researchers found a molecule produced in the intestine when soy is digested stops a hormone which can fuel prostate growth or cause baldness.

Writing in the journal Biology of Reproduction, they said the finding could explain why Japanese men, who eat more soya, rarely have prostate cancer.

They said the molecule could be used as a treatment for cancer and baldness.

The team found that the molecule, equol, "handcuffs" the male hormone DHT - a by-product of testosterone.

The researchers say this could be particularly important for men who have been diagnosed with either an enlarged prostate (benign prostatic hyperplasia), or cancer of the prostate.

DHT has also been implicated in research into the causes of male pattern baldness.

Other drugs developed in recent years aimed at blocking the effect of DHT have been developed.

But these drugs, which stopped an enzyme converting testosterone into DHT, were found to cause side effects.

'Holy grail'

The US researchers found equol does not prevent DHT from being made, but it does stop it functioning.

They carried out two experiments on rats which showed injecting equol into male rats reduced the size of the prostate.

In one, the testes of male rats were removed, so they produced no DHT. When investigators injected DHT into rats, their prostates grew.

When they injected rats with both equol and DHT, the equol prevented the DHT from functioning as it normally would - as a stimulator of prostate growth.

Professor Robert Handa, from Colorado State's College of Veterinary Medicine, who led the research, said: "Directly binding and inactivating DHT without influencing testosterone gives equol the ability to reduce many of the harmful effects of androgens [male hormones] without affecting the beneficial ones."

Dr Kenneth Setchell, of Cincinnati Children's Hospital Medical Center, who first identified the potential of equol 20 years ago, said: "These findings are of immense clinical importance because blocking the action of the potent male hormone DHT has been one of the holy grails of the pharmaceutical industry as a strategy for treating prostate cancer and other related diseases."

He said the soy molecule did this "very effectively."

A spokesman for Cancer Research UK told BBC News Online: "One third of all cancers are thought to be linked to diet but it is not known exactly which components of our diet protect against cancer or indeed place us at increased risk.

"We do know that countries with a high intake of soy in their diet, such as Japan, tend to have lower rates of prostate cancer and some other types, with the active ingredients in soy thought to be isoflavones.

"There's a lot of research into whether isoflavones can be used to prevent the spread of prostate cancer, which usually develops slowly."

He added: "This study is interesting in that it raises the possibility of using a metabolite of isoflavones as a preventative agent against prostate cancer, which is now the most commonly diagnosed cancer in British men."
 
I agree about Soy Milk/products. When it 1st came out I started to guzzle it down, thinking that it was the answer to Conventional Milk tampering. Boy was I wrong! I bloated up & thought that I would float away! lollollol

So I went on a mission back then to find out why I was feeling so ill when this supposedly healthy drink was so good for us.
I found out that Soy effects our hormones. I made a lot of noise about it...and the following year they printed warning to pregnant mothers not to drink soy milk.

Today there are all sorts of warnings about it. Back then it was hard to find.

Like my God Mother (from the old country) said. Eat healthy natural unprocessed foods. Don't buy into all this hype that milk is bad for you. That's propaganda to promote the Soy industry, or any other industry that they deem to make a buck from.

Ppl from all over Europe are very healthy drinking milk, eating cheese & cooking in butter, eating meat and living very healthy lives.
Yeah but I said to her, the foods in Europe don't contain all these antibiotics, hormones, & are not genetic mutated.
So she said, drink Organic Milk and see how you feel. I did and guess what.....totally great. I drink 3 quarts of it per week.
The Organic buttermilk, sour cream, cheese & butter are to die for.
My nails literally grew overnight. Never, ever before did I cut them bcos they never grew.....now, I have to cut them down as they get in the way they get so long. My hair grows so fast, my skin is fresh & wholesome.....yep, she was right. For me anyway. :)
 
CheeMiss said:
Ppl from all over Europe are very healthy drinking milk, eating cheese & cooking in butter, eating meat and living very healthy lives.
Yeah but I said to her, the foods in Europe don't contain all these antibiotics, hormones, & are not genetic mutated.
So she said, drink Organic Milk and see how you feel. I did and guess what.....totally great. I drink 3 quarts of it per week.
The Organic buttermilk, sour cream, cheese & butter are to die for.
My nails literally grew overnight. Never, ever before did I cut them bcos they never grew.....now, I have to cut them down as they get in the way they get so long. My hair grows so fast, my skin is fresh & wholesome.....yep, she was right. For me anyway. :)

Hi CheeMiss,

I have noticed in a couple of your post, that you are kind of promoting organic milk.

Please take the time to read that thread and all the posts in it. Also, take the time to read the links that are included in those posts.
 
Gandalf said:
I have noticed in a couple of your post, that you are kind of promoting organic milk.
Please take the time to read that thread and all the posts in it. Also, take the time to read the links that are included in those posts.

Oh, ok, thank you for the heads up. It works for me & my chemistry, I don't know that it would work for everyone that way, we might share the same DNA codes, even with the common fruit fly, but our chemistries are different. I just know that Soy Milk is not what they make it out to be. It is dangerous when taken in abundance and for a long period of time.

Thanks again for helping me to navigate. I really appreciate it and the links provided. You guys are so nice here.

btw: I love you avatar pic.....Gandalf is one of my favourite characters in my X-box game. I may be getting old, but I am still a kid at heart. :)
 
Menrva said:
Wiki said:
Phosphatidylcholines are a class of phospholipids which incorporate choline as a headgroup. They are a major component of biological membranes and can be isolated from either egg yolk (in Greek lekithos - λεκιθος) or soy beans from which they are mechanically extracted or chemically extracted using hexane.

If you've made it this far into this thread and are still not convinced that today's soy is a product of Satan :evil:, then here's some more bad news:

You may have traded your hamburger for a veggie burger because of concern for your health and the environment, but—according to a recent report by Cornucopia Institute, a research and advocacy group for small-scale farmers—veggie burgers and other soy-based products, including many nutrition bars, are made with a compound that’s known to be harmful to both you and the planet.

Hexane, a by-product of gasoline refining, is used to separate whole soybeans into soy oil, protein and fiber. (It’s also used to extract many cooking oils from plants.) Because hexane contributes to excess ozone, the Environmental Protection Agency lists it as a hazardous air pollutant. According to the EPA, grain processors—including soy processors—are responsible for more than two-thirds of all hexane emissions in the U.S., releasing 21 million pounds of the pollutant.

It’s generally assumed that hexane evaporates and therefore doesn’t appear in the food supply, but when Cornucopia had soy ingredients tested, small amounts of hexane were present (21 parts per million in soy meal and 14 ppm in soy grits). When workers are exposed to hexane at much higher levels (800 to 5,000 ppm) for merely minutes, it can irritate eyes and the upper respiratory tract and cause vertigo and headaches. Because the health implications of ingesting hexane through food are still unknown, Cornucopia has petitioned the Food and Drug Administration to investigate.

Source: http://www.eatingwell.com/nutrition_health/nutrition_news_information/what_s_in_your_veggie_burger
 
I used to eat soy 2-6 times per month for 4 years, and I thought it was alright since I was buying the organic version.
I haven't touched it again since I read this thread, thank you for this information!

Now I'm looking for a phosphatidylcholine supplement and every single one I found is made from soy lecithin.
I was hoping to find a product made from from egg lecithin instead but no luck.

Then I found this _http://www.greatvistachemicals.com/nutritional-supplements/phosphatidyl-choline-phosphatidylcholine.html
The fatty acid makeups of phosphatidylcholine from plant and animal sources differ. Saturated fatty acids, such as palmitic and stearic, make up 19 to 24% of soya lecithin; the monounsaturated oleic acid contributes 9 to 11%; linoleic acid provides 56 to 60%; and alpha-linolenic acid makes up 6 to 9%. In egg yolk lecithin, the saturated fatty acids, palmitic and stearic, make up 41 to 46% of egg lecithin, oleic acid 35 to 38%, linoleic acid 15 to 18% and alpha-linolenic 0 to 1%. Soya lecithin is clearly richer in polyunsaturated fatty acids than egg lecithin. Unsaturated fatty acids are mainly bound to the second or middle carbon of glycerol.

I looked for food sources and found this _http://www.livestrong.com/article/348926-food-sources-of-phosphatidylcholine/
Beef And Fish
Meat and fish are good sources of phosphatidylcholine, according to the Linus Pauling Institute. A 3 oz serving of beef liver contains 355 mg of choline, while 3 oz of cod contains 71 mg. Other meat and fish sources include beef cuts, salmon, and canned shrimp.

Milk And Eggs
Consuming milk products and eggs can help boost your intake of choline. One large egg can supply you with 126 mg of choline, while an 8 oz serving of skim milk offers 38 mg. The Linus Pauling Institute cautions that strict vegetarians or vegans who do not consume eggs or milk, in addition to other animal products, may be at risk of choline deficiency.

Other Foods
Other foods you consume may be a good source of choline. A one-cup serving of toasted wheat germ contains 172 mg of choline, according to the Linus Pauling Institute. A one cup serving of broccoli contains 62 mg of choline. Other good sources include Brussels sprouts, peanut butter and milk chocolate.

I'm not even discussing dairy and I don't eat meat but after a lot of toiling with myself I reintroduced fish on my menu. Still though, even if I ate fish/broccoli daily it'd be a very small intake.
Would it be better to buy a soy lecithin supplement afterall ?
 
Eva said:
...Would it be better to buy a soy lecithin supplement afterall ?
I am not sure. After reading your message I checked my bottle of "PC" and it's made from soy lecithin too.

Sherry Rogers mentions PC in Detoxify or Die. She specifically recommends the PhosChol brand (phoschol.com), which is derived from soy, although she makes this statement which is puzzling to me:
"Don't let failure to boost this nutrient at least once a month every year be a contributing cause for your healing to be stalled." Does this mean to only take it occasionally? I don't know.
 
I need to do more research whether soy is good or bad for me. Have the Cassiopaeans said anything about soy?

I've had soy milk, tofu, and soy sprouts all my life, as have my parents before me, and their parents before them, way before most westerners even heard the word soy. I've been drinking organic soy milk like water for several years now.

I think some of the arguments against soy are really arguments against nonorganic or GMO soy. I try to avoid GMO food.
 
Hi hlat,

hlat said:
I need to do more research whether soy is good or bad for me. Have the Cassiopaeans said anything about soy?

I don't believe they have, but it probably isn't necessary to ask about it since the evidence seems pretty straightforward. Have you gone through this thread and read all the information that's been collected about it?

hlat said:
I think some of the arguments against soy are really arguments against nonorganic or GMO soy. I try to avoid GMO food.

Well, GMO soy is no doubt even worse for you than non-GMO soy, but it seems the best idea is to avoid both. There's also good information about soy (not only what it does to our bodies, but what soy agriculture does to the environment) in The Vegetarian Myth by Lierre Keith -- there's a thread on it here.
 
It's a complex subject, and I have continued to follow discussions about it elsewhere (not on this forum). People who are concerned and informed seem to divide between those that think that certain traditionally fermented forms are OK and those that think it should be avoided altogether.

All things considered, I have to side with the latter group. For me, it's just not worth the potential risk to include soy, and there would be no offsetting benefit that I can see.

Theoretically, though, if you come from a culture that has eaten soy for a long time, if your gene line is not mixed with other cultures that have not, if the soy is an heirloom variety (not a modern breed/hybrid/GMO), if it is prepared (fermented) traditionally, and if it is consumed along with other traditional foods (similarly of heirloom stock and prepared traditionally) then you might do no worse than your ancestors by eating it.

That's a lot of "if." Way too much for me.
 
Megan said:
It's a complex subject, and I have continued to follow discussions about it elsewhere (not on this forum). People who are concerned and informed seem to divide between those that think that certain traditionally fermented forms are OK and those that think it should be avoided altogether.

All things considered, I have to side with the latter group. For me, it's just not worth the potential risk to include soy, and there would be no offsetting benefit that I can see.

Theoretically, though, if you come from a culture that has eaten soy for a long time, if your gene line is not mixed with other cultures that have not, if the soy is an heirloom variety (not a modern breed/hybrid/GMO), if it is prepared (fermented) traditionally, and if it is consumed along with other traditional foods (similarly of heirloom stock and prepared traditionally) then you might do no worse than your ancestors by eating it.

That's a lot of "if." Way too much for me.

I believe I am from such culture and gene line. I buy organic soy milk, so that is not fermented. I buy a lot of organic food, though not 100%. I have more research to do, starting with the leads in this thread.
 
I have noticed that certain foods have become part of certain cultures. People eat what they see other people eating, and that is usually considered reason enough, whether it is really a good idea or not.

Cultures "choose" foods for different reasons, but one reason can be that nothing else better was available at the time. Once that happens, the inferior food becomes part of the culture and isn't questioned. Just look at Americans and processed food! The stuff is clearly poison, and yet people scarf it down without a thought.

Personally, I think that is how soy came to be regarded as a food. I doubt that really healthy humans in earlier eras would have eaten such a thing and failed to notice the negative effects that it had on health. In the neolithic era, however, health problems are more the norm, and the less healthy you are (or the more scarce food is), the harder it can be to even notice that there is a problem. Add to that cultural peer pressure and you may be completely blind to what you are doing to yourself.

This cultural pressure to eat things that are bad for you seems to be a part of a lot of people's "lesson plans." Is it part of yours?
 
The Soy industry is just that, an industry. If I recall correctly (I may be mistaken) the Chinese (Or was it Japanese) for years would plant soybeans every few years but instead of harvesting the beans they would leave them out in the field to die because soybeans supposedly impart a lot nutritional factors back into the soil that improves the soil quality. Oriental cultures did not start using soy as a food source until they started fermenting it.

The bulk of soy in the U.S. at least is GMO and uses toxic chemical solvents when it is processed, I avoid it at all cost.
 
I will be buying organic coconut milk until I can come to a conclusion about soy.

What should a 13 month old drink, if milk and soy are bad?
 

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