Don't feel too... "sorry" for him by any means! If he is a real person, he KNOWS what he's doing (my guess) and it is an entirely structured, planned, strategised and manipulated 'project'. He's a fool, nothing more, nothing less ... especially if he thinks he can get away with it. But, he must think he can, or he wouldn't be getting involved in the first place... :oLaura said:Gads, what a tar-baby.
Damn those space rocks, huh..?!! Talk about a foreign invasion! How stoopid.SteveQuale said:5. The coming destruction of America by civil war followed by foreign invasion
Your Grandma was a wise woman!Al Today said:My ole hill folk grandmother taught me one reason not to lie is that you gotta remember what you said. It's can be easy to get caught in a lie, then watcha gonna DO? One can get lost and confused in trying to keep the different stories straight with different audiences. Then again, some liars just don't give a damn, do they.?.?.?
Coming from a newbie position of total ignorance, I'm a bit thrown by this paragraph - it's been bothering me all weekend. Is the Yahweh thing a reference to a Jewish conspiracy? Are you saying that all followers of that "strange god Yahweh" are servants of darkness? Or does my set notation need some work here?Laura said:They are truly cointelpro, the whole lot of them! Closet neocons, worshippers of that strange god, Howwah/Yahweh, servants of darkness.
Just notice that, logically speaking, being a servant of darkness in one domain and being a Nobel Prize winner in another domain are not logically contradictory. This realization of this simple fact may be useful for a newbie.TheSpoon said:Are you saying that all followers of that "strange god Yahweh" are servants of darkness?
Hi Ark. Is the lesson you're making here that attaining some accolade does not necessarily mean someone is "Good"? Or are you going further and implying that an STS alignment may be beneficial in "attainment", be it academic, corporate or political? Of course, "success" itself would seem to be an STS concept.Ark said:Just notice that, logically speaking, being a servant of darkness in one domain and being a Nobel Prize winner in another domain are not logically contradictory.
OK. You want a spoon feeding? Here it is. Followers of Yahve serve the darkness in one respect, but not necessarily in all respects. Some followers of Yahve serve it more, some less. Some in one respect some in other respect. But being a follower of Yahve indicates that there is a common fault. Because this Yahve is/was not a good example to follow.TheSpoon said:So in that case all A's are B's, and I'm confused about where your subsequent lesson is pointing me?
It sounds like you think that the god of the real Jesus was Yahweh? Spoon, I suggest you read the articles Laura suggested again - you've confused the issues, and the 'gods' rather badly.TheSpoon said:Oh, I took that from the posting you linked to
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=8657.msg64445#msg64445
where you said: "When reading his analysis, it occurred to me that it was obvious that the god of the real "Jesus" WAS Beelzebul. "
Which agrees with what I'd thought previously which is that Jesus being a Jew, considered Yahweh to be God.Laura said:They [the Cathars] also claimed that the god of the Old Testament - the Jewish Yahweh/Jehovah - was the evil demiurge. We notice that Christianity has adopted this god as the "father of Jesus."
It seems that you did not catch the line of force of the argument I was making. Consider:TheSpoon said:Oh, I took that from the posting you linked to
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=8657.msg64445#msg64445
where you said: "When reading his analysis, it occurred to me that it was obvious that the god of the real "Jesus" WAS Beelzebul. "
If it was me having this pointed out, I would understand that I need to be very careful reading and drawing assumptions because somehow, the reading instrument is uncalibrated. That is often due to failure to take proper care while reading. This can be due to any number of factors including reading too fast and missing key words, or reading with assumptions, thereby mis-reading. (You think you have read something a certain way when it was not actually written that way). This realization is, of course, disconcerting because you then begin to wonder (or should) exactly how much or how well you have really understood anything.Bottom line is, to the Jews, all other gods were demons, so, if there was any historical reality to this event, what it means is that the basis of the accusation was that Jesus cast out demons by the power of some foreign god.
As I suggest, maybe he did.
The point is that this was a charge of "deviance." The accusation is saying: "He is not one of us, he is not a Jew, he is not a child of Israel, but a child of Beelzebul." And, since Jesus was said to be a Galilean, from the North, this makes perfect sense. The charge was intended to label Jesus as an outsider: he does not belong. [...]
Clearly, to my mind, the individual writing this story understood himself as an "insider" of Israel and sought to use this method to draw Jesus in as an insider as well. This suggests strongly that Jesus WAS an outsider to Israel, was NOT a Jew, and Beelzebul WAS the name of the deity Jesus "promoted" originally.