The astral plane vs 5D

[David Topi]

However, who knows!

That's the whole point, David - you don't know. Yet, you think you do know and you don't question yourself. This is very dangerous and a sign that your cup is full. In fact, most of your posts indicate that your cup is full. From an esoteric standpoint, this is not a positive condition. You've been given a lot of input over the past few days on this forum - if you are sincere, you'll take it in and it will change your impression of yourself. If you are not sincere, you'll push back against it assuring yourself that you are correct and everyone else is wrong; that you're just 'misunderstood'.

thank you anart
There is always a reason people do things, the reason I have been "pushed" to come to this forum in search of answers might be just that sentence you have written

 

[Laura]

Several possibilities come to mind: your father is earthbound - hasn't gone into the light/5D. This is fairly common and normal in the time immediately after death. It's okay to chat with the individual, but you really need to do differential diagnosis, including regarding status and disengage. This situation can persist into spirit attachment. In the case of some entities, this persists only for about 40 days, at which time the temporary "astral body" dies and releases the soul energy to 5D.

Laura, forgot to ask, so what is your take on the Astral plane vs 5D? I mean, the astral body before it goes to 5D, where do you "locate it", within the 3D limits or in some sort of parallel level of existence?

The astral planes - such as they are, and the understanding of same that is generally promulgated is a load of hooey - are associated with 3D. That's why Cayce said "A dead Presbyterian is just that: a dead Presbyterian." What Helena Blavatsky did to esoteric understanding was, basically, to make up a load of nonsense that made her and others feel good but had nothing to do with any serious research and assessment.

Cayce referred to what might be the astral plane as the "sea of faces."

SOME entities can "go into the light", i.e. 5 D, and communicate after this, but generally only if there is a strong bond between them and the communicant. And this communication can be off and on for years depending on need, emotional bond, sensitivity of the recipient.

Spending some time in the astral plane before moving to 5D is rather common. And the length of time - as we measure it - can vary. Because, remember, the individual who has passed over is not perceiving time as we do.

Not going directly to 5D is not a failure or defect, either. There are any numbers of reasons or situations where this can be the case.

And then, there are 5D beings that choose to work with 3D beings.

Keep in mind, also, that 4D is, as much as anything, a state of awareness that is as different from normal 3D awareness as 3D awareness is different from 2D awareness. I discussed this at some length in The Wave. And all three can coexist in the same "space-time" (along with 1D).

 

[Ares]

That's the whole point, David - you don't know. Yet, you think you do know and you don't question yourself. This is very dangerous and a sign that your cup is full. In fact, most of your posts indicate that your cup is full...

Gotta agree with Anart here. Something about your posts, can't put my finger to it exactly. It seems to me as if you aren't REALLY listening to what people are trying to tell you - that you've already made up your mind on a lot of things and are perhaps just looking for confirmation. I hope this is just a communication problem.

 

[David Topi]

That's the whole point, David - you don't know. Yet, you think you do know and you don't question yourself. This is very dangerous and a sign that your cup is full. In fact, most of your posts indicate that your cup is full...

Gotta agree with Anart here. Something about your posts, can't put my finger to it exactly. It seems to me as if you aren't REALLY listening to what people are trying to tell you - that you've already made up your mind on a lot of things and are perhaps just looking for confirmation. I hope this is just a communication problem.

duly noted , two things learned so far, if english is not your mother tongue, make a bigger effort to understand better what it has been said, and make a tripple effort to not answer in a hurry based in what you think you have understood. In any case, thanks again