The Ice Age Cometh! Forget Global Warming!


The Living Force
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As I closed down open tabs after writing the previous post, there were a couple of helpful ones, including one explaining glaciers in Antarctica. They have this illustration of the factors contributing to the formation and change og glaciers An introduction to Glacier Mass Balance
One factor here that I did not consider in the previous post is wind redistribution. So could it be that wind redistribution is responsible for the areas over the ice sheet in Greenland that according to NASA have lost mass this winter, that have gone in red, as shown and described in the previous post? From a logical point of view, I would think that if there is a melt in summer then the surface on refreezing would harden up. I don't know what it is like walking at the center of the ice sheet, but in summer the edge is hard, you can walk on it. so if NASA would explain the net loss as wind redistribution, then how did this happen?
Here is another illustration from the same site:
and finally:
The equilibrium zone is the area where the melting and accumulation is in balance, this line would probably change from year to year.
In one article they comment on the issues related to calculations of surface mass balance:
estimates are constantly improving as scientists gain better understandings of glacio-isostatic adjustment, improve glacier modelling techniques and gain access to higher resolution satellite datasets over longer timescales3. Surface mass balance estimates therefore tend to improve over time, but are subject to large uncertainties4. For this reason, there tends to be differences between the results of different techniques used to measure surface mass balance. Surface mass balance of the grounded Antarctic Ice Sheet is currently estimated at ~2000 gigatonnes per year2, 5, 6, and it is subject to large variability across the ice sheet and through time.
In the case of Greenland, there is not much available in terms of alternatives to NASA models and estimates.


The Living Force
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Closing one more tab I found that another reason for the NASA numbers could be the ground under Greenland or parts of it are sinking and that this has not been factured into the model. As late as last June there was an article from DTU Space Landet hæver sig hastigt nede under isen på Antarktis - DTU Space, that communicated parts of Antarctica is still rising after the last ice age and that therefore the loss of ice may have been 10 % greater than previous estimates. Now large parts of Greenland are not as Antarctica rising, they are sinking as this map illustrates:
If one compares the map of Greenland to a previously posted map of Greenland showing a large lake in the middle, it appears that the lake area and surrounding areas are still sinking. One wonders why?


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Yes, there is good reason to be very sceptical about those numbers. From what Thorbiorn has posted it also seems clear that they are adjusting their models and interpretation of the data to fit a very clear agenda.

In the latest Adapt 2030 iceage rapport Adapt 2030 Ice Age Report: Greenland glaciers start to recover as solar activity declines -- it is mentioned that gletschers are growing on Greenland. And that comes from NASA. The article referred to in the video is this one:

A major Greenland glacier, once one of the fastest shrinking ice/snow masses on Earth, is growing again, a new NASA study published in Nature Geoscience finds.
Jakobshavn Isbrae was the single largest source of mass loss from the Greenland Ice Sheet over the last 20 years. In 2012, the glacier was retreating 1.8 miles (3 km) and thinning almost 130 feet (40 m) annually, and was used in literally hundreds of MSM articles as the poster boy for an AGW apocalypse.
But how times have changed.
The study’s authors, using airborne altimetry and satellite imagery, have discovered that since 2016, Jakobshavn has in fact been “re-advancing, slowing and thickening”.
A map of Greenland showing the location of Jakobshavn and Disko Bay (orange box) and major ocean currents.
Ala Khazendar, the study’s lead author, names a natural cyclical cooling of North Atlantic waters as the likely cause of the glacier reversing course — a flip of the North Atlantic Oscillation.
Key words there: “Natural,” “Cyclical,” and “Cooling.”
Greenland ice and climate scientist Jason Box notes the waters in Disko Bay, where Jakobshavn meets the ocean, are a staggering 2C colder (3.6 F) than just a few years ago.
“That was kind of a surprise. We kind of got used to a runaway system,” said Box. [Because they believe the AGW agenda, their models and in linearity. No understanding of Nature and the Life system]
Well that’s because a runaway system is all that’s been forced down our throats for decades, Box. For the last 30 years a natural cycle of historically high solar output has been used to worry, manipulate and control the western world.
Just imagine if the waters in Disko Bay had risen 2C in temperature over the last few years. Just picture the furor, the headlines, the number of school days all those poor brainwashed kids would miss. AGW alarmist get uppity at a bunk model simply predicting a 2C climb, this is a realized 2C drop.
The ruse is so clear.
Khazendar and his colleagues go on to push the standard AGW call to arms, hinting that this mass gain is only temporary –well how else would their paper have obtained funding– but we know the truth.
Here’s a link to the study at

The sun is experiencing its deepest solar minimum for over 100 years.
Even mainstream models predict a sharp drop-off in solar output, lasting decades.
The next Grand Solar Minimum is upon us.
The glaciers are growing again.
The cold times are here.
The authors of the study probable realised how absurd they would sound if they had blamed the growing of the gletscher on AGW.

Jakobshavn gletscher is significant sized gletscher. According to wiki:
Jakobshavn Glacier drains 6.5% of the Greenland ice sheet[1] and produces around 10% of all Greenland icebergs. Some 35 billion tonnes of icebergs calve off and pass out of the fjord every year.
In the Adapt2030 video there is also a graph of the snow mass for this winter in the Northern hemisphere. And that graph is pretty astounding. It gives an idea of the flooding problems that will be in the news in the next few months as the melt season gathers speed.



The Living Force
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In the Adapt2030 video there is also a graph of the snow mass for this winter in the Northern hemisphere. And that graph is pretty astounding. It gives an idea of the flooding problems that will be in the news in the next few months as the melt season gathers speed.

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One is tempted to think we have not yet reached "peak ice".
And then as an extension of the discussion about Greenland, there is little reason to think the ice sheet will disappear in its totality.
This link Fossil DNA Proves Greenland Once Had Lush Forests; Ice Sheet Is Surprisingly Stable a link from 2007 shows:
Climate theories over-turned
The research results are the first direct proof that there was forest in southern Greenland. Furthermore Willerslev found genetic traces of insects such as butterflies, moths, flies and beetles. But when was that? According to most scientific theories to date, all of southern Greenland and most of the northern part were ice-free during the last interglacial period 125,000 years ago, when the climate was 5 degrees warmer than the interglacial period we currently live in.

This theory however, was not confirmed by Willerslev and co-workers subsequent datings. He analysed the insects' mitochondria, which are special genomes that change with time and like a clock can be used to date the DNA. He also analysed their amino acids which also change over time. Both datings showed that the insects were at least 450,000 years old.
The ice-core researchers are experts at analysing the fine dust which blows onto the ice and is preserved year by year. They advocate two further datings. One is dating by optically stimulated luminescence. It is a method where the examined minerals can be affected to give off a type of light, which depends on how long it has been since the minerals were last exposed to sunlight.
The other method is radioactive dating. "We can fix when the ice was last in contact with the atmosphere," says Jørgen Peder Steffensen who is a researcher in the Ice and Climate group at the Niles Bohr Institute at Copenhagen University. He explains that the special isotopes, Beryllium-10 and Chlorine-36 both have a particular half-life of radioactive decay (just like Carbon-14). The relation between them can date when the ice and dust were buried and no longer came in contact with the atmosphere.
The dating of dust particles also showed that it has been at least 450,000 years ago since the area of the DYE-3 drilling, in the southern part of Greenland, was ice-free.

Sea Level Rise?

That signifies that there was ice there during the Eemian interglacial period 125,000 years ago. It means that although we are now confronted with global warming, the whole ice sheet will probably not melt.
It turns out that during the last interglacial, Greenland did not contribute with as much sea level rise as previously thought:
Please note: The scientists do not want to put into question the rise in sea level predicted to occur due to global warming. During the last interglacial period 125.000 years ago, temperatures in Greenland were 5 degrees higher and global sea level was 4-5 meters higher than it is today. However, since the new scientific results show that the ice sheet also covered southern Greenland, the melting of the Greenlandic ice cap can only have caused a sea level rise of about 2 meters. Therefore some of the melting ice contributing to the sea level rise must have come from other sources, for instance the Antarctic. Furthermore, thermal warming of the oceans will cause expansion of the sea water and result in a sea level rise of half a meter, and the melting of small glaciers around the globe will likely result in an additional half meter rise.
The results have just been published in the journal Science.
And gets even better. In another article, published in 2013 and done by researchers from the University of Copenhagen, they found the temperature had actually been 8 degrees higher, and as we saw above the ice sheet over Greenland did not disappear entirely. In the article they include graph with explanation below:

The climate graph shows the temperature from the previous warm interglacial period, the Eemian (left) throughout the entire ice age to present time. The blue colours indicate ice from a cold period, the red colour is ice from a warm period and yellow and green is from the climate period in between. The new results show that during the Eemian period 130,000 to 115,000 thousand years ago the climate in Greenland was around 8 degrees C warmer than today.
Looking at the graph above one gets the impression the global temperature is anything but stable over time, fairly stable in terms of allowing conditions for life, but as stable as a thermostat in a modern residence - no way.


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I noticed that the guy who makes the videos Ice Age Farmer, has started to make an ice age wiki: Ice Age Farmer Wiki

Welcome to the Ice Age Farmer wiki!

The purpose of this wiki is to act as a shared resource for our community as we map a path forward to prosperity, build resilient, self-sufficient communities, and share knowledge in the Grand Solar Minimum.

Where to Start
Start learning:


Start growing!

In the historical section one can learn about previous Grand Solar minimums and the symptoms they share such as weather anomalies and crop losses. At the moment they have a featured article about
Extreme Weather during the Maunder Minimum (1645-1715 A.D.)

The source to this article is an article by James A. Marusek who is a retired nuclear physicist and engineer at the US department of the navy.

That article is from 2016 and is called Little Ice Age Theory

I. Introduction

General Discussion
The sun is undergoing a state change. It is possible that we may be at the cusp of the next Little Ice Age. For several centuries the relationship between periods of quiet sun and a prolonged brutal cold climate on Earth (referred to as Little Ice Ages) have been recognized. But the exact mechanisms behind this relationship have remained a mystery. We exist in an age of scientific enlightenment, equipped with modern tools to measure subtle changes with great precision. Therefore it is important to try and come to grips with these natural climatic drivers and mold the evolution of theories that describe the mechanisms behind Little Ice Ages.

I propose two mechanisms primarily responsible for Little Ice Age climatic conditions. These two components are Cloud Theory and Wind Theory. At the core of Cloud Theory are galactic cosmic rays (GCRs) and at the core of Wind Theory are diamond dust ice crystals. During Little Ice Ages, there is an increase of low level clouds that cause a general global cooling and an alteration of the jet streams that drives cold air from upper latitudes deep into the mid latitude regions. Little Ice Age conditions are defined not only by colder temperatures but also by a shift in the patterns of wind streams. They produce long-lasting locked wind stream patterns responsible for great floods and great droughts.
The entire article is 15 pages long with a few appendixes, the first of which details a lot of extreme weather events during the Maunder minimum.

James Marusek has a website called Impact, where he has articles and links about cometary impact, mass extinctions, super novas, solar storms etc. for those interested.


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The above site from the Ice Age Farmer wiki, there is a great resource called Strategic Relocation which consists of a pretty large set of maps.

It is full of maps detailing historical risk factors, such as fires, volcanoes, seismic activity, ice sheet extent etc. It also has maps for water resources available. It might be a useful site to check out if you thinking about relocating. The following gives a list of the maps:
One of the maps caught my eye, which was the volcanic hazard map of America based on the last 15000 years.

In a recent session the C's mentioned that California would soon be hell. That can of course mean many things as hell can be many things. Living in a postmodernist SJW state for example can without doubt be considered as hell.

A seismic map gives another view which is not favorable to California:

Wildfire activity from 1994-2013 in the US tells again a story:


The Living Force
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Found a map of the temperature anomalies for February 2019 from Maps of monthly means and anomalies of meteorological values over the Northern hemisphere for the previous month Over all warmer, though some spots like the western US and Canada including part of the Pacific ocean were colder. In the US areas respectively warmer and colder than usual were close to each other. This would favour more precipitation like in the form of snow. It is going to be interesting to see what it will look like on the map that will show the month of March.

The following is showing anomalies in the air temperature at the 500 mb level:
The layout of these maps is different from what I'm used to, perhaps one can learn something by following the trends month after month.


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Regarding NASA and their possible manipulation of data there is this post: Fabricating A Warming: NASA Now Altering ‘Unadjusted” Data To Create New, Warmer ‘Unadjusted’ Data

By P Gosselin on 31. March 2019

By Kirye
and Pierre Gosselin

One fellow climate blogger recently wrote on how he’s been been looking at GHCN ‘unadjusted’ data and noticed that scientists at NASA appear to have been altering them: “This is a fairly disturbing development,” he wrote.
Heating up Reykjavik and Nuuk
Cited as an example is Reykyavik, Iceland. According to Tony Heller here, “The current version V4 has massively cooled the past, to make it look like Iceland is warming.”
Heller then posted a chart showing the difference between v2 unadjusted and the new v4 ‘unadjusted’ for the Reykjavik station:

Heller also found here that the same appears to be the case for Nuuk, Greenland as well.

Hachijojima, Japan
With this in mind, we checked the Japanese station Hachijojima, which is situated on a small island in the Pacific well off the coast of Japan. Also here we see that the unadjusted data have been altered, too. The original v3 data depicted by the green curve are compared to the new “unadjusted” v4 data shown by the blue curve:

Data source: … and …
The new “unadjusted” v4 data have been clearly altered to cool a part of the past and thus enhance the appearance of warming. There appears to be a system behind all the adjustments: Every time the adjustments create more warming.

We also checked over the NASA GISS UHCN data for Syowa, Antarctica:

GHCN V3 Unadjusted: … GHCN V4 Unadjusted: …
Also see an animated comparison here. Here as well we see that the data have been altered.

The same is found in Edinburgh, Scotland as well:

Edinburgh(Airport GHCN V3 Unadjusted: … / GHCN V4 Unadjusted: …
Obviously the history contradicts the global warming theory, and so a group of activist scientists at NASA GISS have taken it upon themselves to rewrite it.


The Living Force
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A few year ago, the following researchers: Robert Twardosz from Institute of Geography and Spatial Management Jagiellonian University Krakow Poland and Urszula Kossowska-Cezak from Department of Climatology, Faculty of Geography and Regional Studies Warsaw University Warsaw Poland, published a study in: Theoretical and Applied Climatology July 2016, Volume 125, Issue 1–2, pp 399–411| Cite as Exceptionally cold and mild winters in Europe (1951–2010). The abstract reads:
Extreme thermal conditions appear to occupy an important place among research subjects at a time of climate warming. This study investigates the frequency, duration and spatial extent of thermally anomalous winters in Europe during the 60 years between 1951 and 2010. Exceptionally cold winters (ECWs) and exceptionally mild winters (EMWs) were identified using the statistical criterion of plus/minus two standard deviations from the long-term winter temperature (January–December) recorded at 60 weather stations. It was demonstrated that ECWs have occurred more frequently and covered larger territories than EMWs and that they may occur anywhere in Europe, while EMWs were limited to its southern and western parts. ECWs are characterised by greater absolute temperature anomalies, as anomalies greater than |6.0 °C| account for 35 % of ECWs, but only for 8 % of EMWs. The greatest anomalies are found in the east of the continent. The largest territory affected by an ECW included 24 stations in 1962/1963, while the equivalent among the EMWs included 11 stations in 2006/2007. The study also confirmed an expected trend whereby ECWs diminished in frequency in favour of EMWs in the second half of the 60-year study period.
The idea for their study is a review of historical records of the past several hundred years:
[QUOTE]In the temperate climate zone, which covers most of the European continent, winter has the most variable thermal conditions of all the seasons. These are the result of the typical pattern of atmospheric circulation dominant at the time, which alternates between air mass advection from over the Atlantic Ocean, which favours mild winters, and a build-up of stationary high pressure systems that block such advection and allow inflow of cold air from the north or east and lead to very low temperatures and very cold winters (e.g. Kossowska-Cezak 1997; Jaagus 2006; Bardin 2007; Ugryumov and Khar’kova 2008; Van den Besselaar et al. 2010). The occurrence of such severe winters, as well as shorter winter spells with very low temperatures and, to a lesser extent of very mild winter seasons, has long been the object of universal attention as they have affected all the populations of the territories in question and have had a multifaceted influence on their lives (Błażejczyk and McGregor 2007; Maignan et al. 2008).

Accounts of such exceptional winters can be found in historic chronicles. A study by R. Girguś and W. Strupczewski (Wyjątki…, 1965) offers valuable information in this respect, including the following examples:
In the year of our Lord 1076, a very severe winter befell the lands and their largest rivers, such as the Saone, Rhone, Rhine and Loire in Gaul; the Elbe, Vistula and Danube in Germania; and the Po in Italia which were seized by ice so strong that they fell silent immediately after the smaller ones and the astounded local population went over them as if on solid ground (Wyjątki…, 1965, p. 17).
The winter [1306] was so severe that between the Danish mainland, its islands and Sweden all the seas turned into permanent bridges for fourteen weeks and even longer (Wyjątki…, 1965, p. 26).
The winter of 1322/1323:
Also between Norway, England and France many ships were caught by ice in the open seas, so that merchants walked on the ice to pay visits to each other for entertainment” (Wyjątki…, 1965, p. 30).
On the following page:
During the time between St. Andrew’s Day [30 November 1322] and Laetare Sunday [6 March 1323], the weather was so cold that merchants carried their goods on carts across the sea from Norway to Sweden and back and there were inns and taverns on the seas where they consumed their beer and food. Also merchants visited from ports in Prussia and Livonia and there were also taverns in the marketplace (Wyjątki…, 1965, p. 31).
Late that year (1556) and at the beginning of the following one, winter [in Poland] was very persistent: great snows and severe colds lasted from St. Hedwig’s Day [15 October] without a break until Annunciation Day [25 March] (Wyjątki…, 1965, p. 146).

Mild winters were much rarer:
Winter of that year [1412] was exceptionally warm without ground frost or any frost in general to the extent that even in Lithuania, a cold and frosty land, people already had vegetables to eat and flowers around Presentation Day [2 February], which was regarded as a great wonder and a veritable miracle (Wyjątki…, 1965, p. 41).
In that year [1493], the winter in January and February was so mild that trees blossomed in orchards, grass grew tall, birds nested, but in March frost destroyed everything (Wyjątki…, 1965, p. 85–86).
These are just a sample of numerous accounts of particularly severe winter seasons, which ceased to occur in Europe due to the period of climate-warming observed since the mid-nineteenth century. Nevertheless, anomalously cold winters still occur with serious consequences ranging from affecting daily life, disorganising the economy to even influencing historic events, such as a series of three exceptionally cold winters during the Second World War. In this last example, in January 1942, the temperature in the war zone in Russia dropped to −56 °C (Brönnimann 2005). On the other hand, exceptionally mild winters can also have adverse effects as they disturb the cycle of natural processes (Maignan et al. 2008).[/QUOTE]
After the introduction they move to their research hypothesis:
This study pursues this still current topic and focuses on the frequency, duration and spatial extent of anomalous winter seasons in Europe between the mid-twentieth century and 2010.

The research hypothesis adopted here proposes that the observed increase in winter temperature is expressed by a decline of the frequency of ECWs and an increase in the frequency of EMWs. This paper continues from previous studies by the authors (Twardosz and Kossowska-Cezak 2013a, b, 2015a, b) on exceptionally hot and cold summer seasons in Europe. The intention is to provide comprehensive understanding of thermal anomalies in winter using a single method of their identification, long-term observation data and covering the whole of Europe, as opposed to a wide body of fragmented research targeting different areas and periods (e.g. Baur 1954; Graham et al. 2006; Hirschi and Sinha 2007; Hirschi 2008; Cattiaux et al. 2010; Wang et al. 2010; Ouzeau et al. 2011; Buchan et al. 2014).
Their conclusions include:
1. ECWs are more frequent across Europe, while EMWs appear only in the south and west of the continent (they were only recorded by half of the stations).
2. ECWs are recorded more frequently than EMWs—18 and 13 winters respectively in the 60 years.
3. In extreme cases, ECWs cover larger areas than EMWs. Even though a high proportion of anomalous winters are recorded by one or two stations (out of the 60 stations)—this applies to 7 out of 18 ECWs and 7 out of 13 EMWs—the number of anomalous winters recorded by at least 6 stations (i.e. 10 % of the stations) was 7 and 2, respectively, with the most extensive ECW covering 24 stations, while for EMW it was only 11 stations.
4. ECWs are characterised by the greatest absolute temperature anomalies: anomalies up to −3.0 °C apply to 21 % of the cases, and those exceeding −6.0 °C to 35 %, while for EMWs, anomalies up to +3.0 °C represent 68 % of the cases and those exceeding +6.0 °C only 8 %.
5. A vast majority of the ECWs (82.5 %) were characterised by at least one exceptionally cold month, and in extreme cases, as many as three winter months are ECMs (5 cases). During the EMWs, EMMs were less frequent (62.5 %) and were recorded exclusively by a single station (there were only five cases of EMWs with two EMMs and only in the southernmost parts of Europe).
6. The above comparison indicates that the numerous historical accounts of very severe winters and few accounts of mild winters are not accidental but rather indicative, among other things, of a significant characteristic of Europe’s current climate. Even though the second half of the six decades saw fewer ECWs and more EMWs (1951/1952–1979/1980: 11 ECWs, 3 EMWs, 1980/1981–2009/2010: 7 and 10, respectively), one may always expect spells of temperature well below zero, short or long lasting, notably in the east and north of the continent. This results from the nature of the circulation of air over Europe which is dominated by advection of warm air masses from over the Atlantic, with intermittent periodic blocks causing the forced descent of cold Arctic or continental polar air from the north or the east (positive or negative NAO phase). In addition, the prolonged presence of high-pressure systems in winter time contributes to further radiative cooling of the air during long cloudless winter nights (especially in the north). This pattern is confirmed by an increased frequency of ECWs in the early part of the study period when the negative NAO phase was also more frequent (Hurrell and National Center for Atmospheric Research Staff 2014).
7. In the light of the authors’ previous study on exceptionally hot and cool summers (Twardosz and Kossowska-Cezak 2015b) exceptionally cold winters occurred less frequently than exceptionally hot summers (18 vs. 24 over the 60-year period), but on average covered larger areas (6 vs. 4 stations; exceptionally mild winters and exceptionally cool summers accounted for 3 each). In the second half of the 60-year period, exceptionally cold winters became increasingly rare and their spatial coverage began to shrink, as opposed to exceptionally hot summers, which recorded gains in both frequency and spatial coverage.
I find this study rather interesting. It shows that although the exceptionally cold winters became more rare in the second half, of the 60 year period, that would mean from 1981 until 2010, over all if it gets really cold in Europe then it is more difficult to shake it off again. In a parallel manner, ice ages tend to last longer than the interglacial periods, one of which we live in at present.


The Living Force
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Below is a Russian analysis of the monthly anomalies: Карты среднемесячных значений и аномалий метеовеличин по Северному полушарию за прошедший месяц Apparently North America has been slightly colder and the Arctic mostly warmer.

Compared to a map of the anomalies of the surface air pressure, there has also been lower air pressures than normal over the Northern areas:
A lower than usual pressure over the Arctic might have helped to move in cold, but relatively warmer air from the South.


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Was reading from mainstream on how (it was suggested) it is now the warmest in the Arctic that it has been for 10,000 years - oh, and not reported was this (and a million other things):

Inconvenient stumps

Anthony Watts / 8 hours ago April 12, 2019

Climate alarmists tell us that the Earth has never been warmer, and that we can tell by looking at tree rings, treelines, and other proxy indicators of climate.

Climate scientists claim the warmth is unprecedented.

We’ve been told it is warming so fast, we have only 12 years left!

Yet nature seems to not be paying attention to such pronouncements, as this discovery shows.

This photo shows a tree stump of White Spruce that was radiocarbon dated at 5000 years old. It was located 100 km north of the current tree line in extreme Northwest Canada.
The area is now frozen tundra, but it was once warm enough to support significant tree growth like this.
If climate was this warm in the past, how did that happen before we started using the fossil fuels that supposedly made our current climate unprecedentedly warm?


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This is old - from November 2018, and if people don't know who Mark Carney is, he is the Gov-Bank of England (ex-Bank of Canada Gov) and now a UK citizen. And in this G20 fireside camera talk, the two were chatting and congratulating each other. What was interesting were Carney's brief words on Climate Change to one of the Global cheerleaders - related to the wheels of banking being at the ready, ready to demand 'disclosure' from the private sector (any quote errors are my transcribing).

Justin Trudeau meets with Mark Carney
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau met with Bank of England governor Mark Carney at the G20 summit in Buenos Aires, Argentina on Friday.
Nov 30, 2018, 6:42 PM

Mark Carney - "Well Prime Minister it is always a pleasure to see you and I want to commend you today, especially on the signing of the Canada Mexican US trade agreement; I believe, I believe its called, but also on your leadership, your leadership on the issues on financial stability, and thinking ahead about how we use a more stable financial system to help all of our economies; small businesses, cross border businesses, ah, and your leadership on climate change as well, and I think its, as you know, the initiatives of the Canadian G7 is there has now been a Quantium leap in terms of the size of financial firms that want the disclosure from private companies, ah, about how they are managing climate risk and seasoned opportunities in the transition to a low carbon economy and your leadership in the G7 has been tabled (tailored) to that, and I think when we all sit down tomorrow with the G20 and talk about climate it will be a very private sector orientated conversation, because the building blocks are in place."
Justin Trudeau meets with Mark Carney

Indeed, the 'blocks' are in place and there is no going back as their cards are committed in play and fully on the table. Truth of these matters means nothing to them, as is known. There is no conversation a person can have these day (although individuals are starting to question the narratives) without being dismissed out of hand. Whatever the case, there was a great deal of nodding by Justin hearing all those favorable words coming from Carney.

Rolling ahead five months, things are ramping up generally unopposed.


The Living Force
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They say that end of April had the lowest sea ice cover measured:
But some places are actually cool, like Grande Reviere in Quebec, where the old May record of -14.4 was beaten as it now stands as -22.6 and this is also 10 days later than the previous record for measuring anything below - 20 C.
Attached are a couple of maps of Greenland from One shows the snow melt or gain on May 4, the other the alleged accumulation, which shows Greenland had more snow at the end of the season.


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