The infrabed

Keyhole said:
Ant22 said:
My only worry is that in her case the lamp would only treat symptoms because my mom's diet is not exactly great.
(...) That said, the above applies if your mum has poor cytochrome C oxidase function and too much nitric oxide. Other reasons for poor mitochondrial function can stem from vitamin B1, B2, B3, Quinone/CoQ10, Biotin, Manganese, or magnesium deficiencies. In these cases, NIR light will likely not correct the root cause, but will still help in some other ways. Overall, it seems like most people can benefit from red light, and is totally worth recommending.

Thank you for the thorough explanation Keyhole, it helps me when I know the actual mechanics behind it. And it will definitely help me to explain the benefits of it to my mom.
I guess it would be hard to work out what's causing my mom's symptoms because like myself, my mom also has the MTHFR gene mutation (her lab tests came back positive last month) so I guess that may play a role too. Especially that I have only one version of it, she has two, which came as a surprise because apart from the beginnings of arthritis she doesn't seem to have any other symptoms at all. I'll speak with her tonight and see how she feels about more supplements (she's already taking iodine and cofactors) and the lamp and if she wants to try it I'll get it for her.


Scottie said:
(...) In short, I feel a slight pressure in my nasal passages when I'm in the InfraBed. Not uncomfortable, just "there". I also feel a kind of heat, but not physically hot. It's almost like Reiki-type heat, but more mild. It feels like it's on the outer surface of my body, and that it penetrates about 2cm.

The first session, I hadn't yet read the post about how infrared penetrates slightly into the body, so I wasn't primed or anything. And the nasal passage pressure is interesting, because historically I've had mini-migraines coupled with sinus pressure and the whole disappearing vision thing. Those headaches increased for awhile, but in the last 6-12 months, they've actually decreased in both frequency and intensity (yay!). So, the nasal passage pressure I feel is pretty interesting, because that's usually where the not-migraines start.

Hmmmm... now that's interesting Scottie. I suffered from sinuses issues and headaches throughout my 20ies but iodine sorted most of it out. Most of it. Not all of it. This morning I woke up with a bit of a similar "nasal pressure" sensation you described but I thought I caught a bug so I need to nuke it with more iodine. I held the lamp quite close to my face last night yet I didn't connect it to the blockage in the nasal sinuses area until I read your post.

It will be interesting to see if your not-migranes come back or not. Fingers crossed they won't!

Other than that, I can't say that I've noticed anything else, except that one 15-minute treatment the day after I worked out seemed to have fixed some sore muscles. I didn't even realize it until the next morning.

It doesn't really energize me (in a wide-awake sense), but I do usually feel "better" somehow afterwards.

Well, that may sound :cuckoo:, but it's pretty clear it's doing something!

I wouldn't actually say it energized me in a wide-awake sense either, i.e. it's not the same wide-awake sensation caffeine causes. I still feel a wee bit sleepy but definitely not as bad as I thought I would. I guess the best way to describe it is that the metal tiredness/sluggishness and lack of motivation that usually come with not getting enough sleep aren't here today, which in turn makes the physical symptoms more bearable.

I don't know if we mean the same thing but I can relate to your "I do usually feel "better" somehow afterwards" too.
 
Ant22 said:
Thank you for the thorough explanation Keyhole, it helps me when I know the actual mechanics behind it. And it will definitely help me to present the benefits of it to my mom.
I guess it would be hard to work out what's causing my mom's symptoms because like myself, my mom also has the MTHFR gene mutation (her lab tests came back positive last month) so I guess that may play a role too. Especially that I have only one version of it, she has two, which came as a surprise because apart from the beginnings of arthritis she doesn't seem to have any other symptoms at all. I'll speak with her tonight and see how she feels about more supplements (she's already taking iodine and cofactors) and the lamp and if she wants to try it I'll get it for her.

Sometimes it can be quite straightforward, you just need to know what to look for. Depends on what your mums issue is in the first place, but in a general sense, this test would be a good place to start: ONE test
 
Keyhole said:
Ant22 said:
Thank you for the thorough explanation Keyhole, it helps me when I know the actual mechanics behind it. And it will definitely help me to present the benefits of it to my mom.
I guess it would be hard to work out what's causing my mom's symptoms because like myself, my mom also has the MTHFR gene mutation (her lab tests came back positive last month) so I guess that may play a role too. Especially that I have only one version of it, she has two, which came as a surprise because apart from the beginnings of arthritis she doesn't seem to have any other symptoms at all. I'll speak with her tonight and see how she feels about more supplements (she's already taking iodine and cofactors) and the lamp and if she wants to try it I'll get it for her.

Sometimes it can be quite straightforward, you just need to know what to look for. Depends on what your mums issue is in the first place, but in a general sense, this test would be a good place to start: ONE test

I think you recommended this laboratory to someone else before and I even contacted them regarding their GI test. The thing is that the tests have to go through one of their practitioners, I can't just request a test and receive the results myself. The test has to be requested by the practitioner of my choice and it is the practitioner that receives the results. One of their consultants sent me a list of healthcare practitioners to choose from and this is where I gave up as I simply had no idea who to choose.
Any chance you could give me a bit of a tip what kind of health care practitioner would be useful to pick for the tests you suggested for my mom? I attached the list they sent me (if it shouldn't be shared here, could mods please remove it?). My mom would be doing the test in another country so I don't need the actual name of person, just the type.
 

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Ant22 said:
Thank you for the thorough explanation Keyhole, it helps me when I know the actual mechanics behind it. And it will definitely help me to present the benefits of it to my mom.
I guess it would be hard to work out what's causing my mom's symptoms because like myself, my mom also has the MTHFR gene mutation (her lab tests came back positive last month) so I guess that may play a role too. Especially that I have only one version of it, she has two, which came as a surprise because apart from the beginnings of arthritis she doesn't seem to have any other symptoms at all. I'll speak with her tonight and see how she feels about more supplements (she's already taking iodine and cofactors) and the lamp and if she wants to try it I'll get it for her.

Sometimes it can be quite straightforward, you just need to know what to look for. Depends on what your mums issue is in the first place, but in a general sense, this test would be a good place to start: ONE test

I think you recommended this laboratory to someone else before and I even contacted them regarding their GI test. The thing is that the tests have to go through one of their practitioners, I can't just request a test and receive the results myself. The test has to be requested by the practitioner of my choice and it is the practitioner that receives the results. One of their consultants sent me a list of healthcare practitioners to choose from and this is where I gave up as I simply had no idea who to choose.
Any chance you could give me a bit of a tip what kind of health care practitioner would be useful to pick for the tests you suggested for my mom? I attached the list they sent me (if it shouldn't be shared here, could mods please remove it?). My mom would be doing the test in another country so I don't need the actual name of person, just the type.
Well, it is up to your mum whether she works with a practitioner or not. If she is up for paying the money, then someone will consult with her and interpret the test results. However, many people just get the test done and interpret it themselves with some individual research done on their part. Depending on the test this can be easy or difficult. The Stool tests are straightforward and actually come with interpretative guides, whereas some of the other more specialised metabolic tests will need some prior knowledge or a significant drive on the part of the individual to delve into trying to understand them. Again, there are many interpretative videos and guides for each test.

So if your mum wants to consult with a practitioner, I would personally go to a nutritional therapist with some knowledge about functional medicine.

On the other hand, if you just want the test results, you can PM me and I can give you my practitioner number to quote with the company - (assuming this is acceptable/ in line with forum rules, which I am not sure about in this context. If not, a mod can delete this part of my post).
 
Keyhole said:
Ant22 said:
Keyhole said:
Ant22 said:
Thank you for the thorough explanation Keyhole, it helps me when I know the actual mechanics behind it. And it will definitely help me to present the benefits of it to my mom.
I guess it would be hard to work out what's causing my mom's symptoms because like myself, my mom also has the MTHFR gene mutation (her lab tests came back positive last month) so I guess that may play a role too. Especially that I have only one version of it, she has two, which came as a surprise because apart from the beginnings of arthritis she doesn't seem to have any other symptoms at all. I'll speak with her tonight and see how she feels about more supplements (she's already taking iodine and cofactors) and the lamp and if she wants to try it I'll get it for her.

Sometimes it can be quite straightforward, you just need to know what to look for. Depends on what your mums issue is in the first place, but in a general sense, this test would be a good place to start: ONE test

I think you recommended this laboratory to someone else before and I even contacted them regarding their GI test. The thing is that the tests have to go through one of their practitioners, I can't just request a test and receive the results myself. The test has to be requested by the practitioner of my choice and it is the practitioner that receives the results. One of their consultants sent me a list of healthcare practitioners to choose from and this is where I gave up as I simply had no idea who to choose.
Any chance you could give me a bit of a tip what kind of health care practitioner would be useful to pick for the tests you suggested for my mom? I attached the list they sent me (if it shouldn't be shared here, could mods please remove it?). My mom would be doing the test in another country so I don't need the actual name of person, just the type.

Well, it is up to your mum whether she works with a practitioner or not. If she is up for paying the money, then someone will consult with her and interpret the test results. However, many people just get the test done and interpret it themselves with some individual research done on their part. Depending on the test this can be easy or difficult. The Stool tests are straightforward and actually come with interpretative guides, whereas some of the other more specialised metabolic tests will need some prior knowledge or a significant drive on the part of the individual to delve into trying to understand them. Again, there are many interpretative videos and guides for each test.

So if your mum wants to consult with a practitioner, I would personally go to a nutritional therapist with some knowledge about functional medicine.

Now that's interesting. because the website wouldn't let me complete the purchase until I provided the name of a practitioner. When I contacted them about it they said I can't request the test myself, a healthcare practitioner has to do it on my behalf and they will receive my results, not me directly. Maybe it depends on the type of test.

On the other hand, if you just want the test results, you can PM me and I can give you my practitioner number to quote with the company - (assuming this is acceptable/ in line with forum rules, which I am not sure about in this context. If not, a mod can delete this part of my post).

Thank you, that would actually be helpful. So I guess if this part of your post is still here tomorrow morning I'll drop you a line about it.
 
the red vs blue light and loss of water vapor canopy seems tied to the reduction in the life span as Ra and C's mentioned... increases catalyst by shortening the lifespans, so the cycles can be experienced faster.
All for the Adamics to help graduation potential.

that spectrum photo of the bed's IR looked like the new model from Get Fitt: http://www.get-fitt.com/far-infrared-cocoon-sol-professional.htm
 
For Aussie members, Nicklebleu gave us a link to a IR spot light here http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/162311595910 it's a bit pricey at $169

Specs: 216 LED IR Infrared Illuminator Lamp

- Max. 200m effective distance with 15° level angel & 850nM wave length

- Illuminating range: Standard 45° (30°, 15° Optional) level angle visible range; viewing range is 150m (outdoor)

- Built-in sensor

- Definition Consumed power: 30W

- Wave length: 850nM (940nm Optional)

- Structure: All weather aluminum and reinforced glass

- Power: 110V-220V AC

I have also found one here http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/IR-Infrared-140-LED-Illuminator-light-Night-Vision-lamp-Security-Monitor-Light/330908079076?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D20161027085944%26meid%3D88542c50cd0645598163ea045949f6fe%26pid%3D100623%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D4%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D162311595910&_trksid=p2047675.c100623.m-1

which is only $67.88, it's only 140 LED's as compared with the above which is 216 and it has less power at 18w as compared to 30w for the above. They both have a wave length of 850nM, so I assume that with less power would mean longer exposure time?

Specs
CE Certificate
Led quantity: 140
(IP65)
Diameter of led: 5mm
Wave length: 850nM
Model selection:
(E8100-30-A-IR:Standard 30° level angle visual range,Visual distance:60m(236"))
Built-in IR sensor
Definition consumed power: 18W
Wave length: 850nM
Input Voltage: 100V-240VAC (50-60Hz)
Weight: about 1KG
Size: 17.5 x 12.5 x 11.5 cm
 
gdpetti said:
the red vs blue light and loss of water vapor canopy seems tied to the reduction in the life span as Ra and C's mentioned... increases catalyst by shortening the lifespans, so the cycles can be experienced faster.
All for the Adamics to help graduation potential.

that spectrum photo of the bed's IR looked like the new model from Get Fitt: http://www.get-fitt.com/far-infrared-cocoon-sol-professional.htm

Except that the getfitt item is FAR infrared not NEAR infrared and produces a lot of heat.
 
Gaby said:
MH: We’ve done a lot of studies over the years. We cannot really detect a difference between
red light, like 660, and near-infrared, let us say 810, 830 and 850. First of all, all the 800s seem
to be the same. Also something in the mid-600s, like 660, is the same as the near-infrared. A few
other folks have claimed to find some differences, but there’s not much difference really.
JM: Really? So the red at 660 will still provide the same mitochondrial benefits?
MH: Yup. Absolutely.

JM: I did not know that.
MH: Uh-huh.
JM: That is interesting. I thought they were completely different. But it makes sense because
they were pretty close. I mean they’re not that far apart.
MH: No. But in between, 730 does virtually nothing.
JM: Interesting. Why do you think that is?
MH: The theory is the absorption spectrum of cytochrome c oxidase has two peaks: one in the
mid-600s and one at around 800...

I was looking at color spectrum graphs of typical LED lights in monitors, and it looks to me that LED monitors have a plenty of light in that 600s range. So I was thinking to try to use my LED monitor, set at pure red background, near my face or body for 15 minutes. If anybody thinks that's a bad idea, or have some advice about monitor settings, please say so.

I think that phones/tablets can also be used for this purpose. Here is analysis for iPhone 6 and 7: http://www.displaymate.com/Spectra_37.jpg
7 looks particularly good at it, it has lots of 600s and lack of 700s.
 
Ant22 said:
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Scottie said:
(...) In short, I feel a slight pressure in my nasal passages when I'm in the InfraBed. Not uncomfortable, just "there". I also feel a kind of heat, but not physically hot. It's almost like Reiki-type heat, but more mild. It feels like it's on the outer surface of my body, and that it penetrates about 2cm.

The first session, I hadn't yet read the post about how infrared penetrates slightly into the body, so I wasn't primed or anything. And the nasal passage pressure is interesting, because historically I've had mini-migraines coupled with sinus pressure and the whole disappearing vision thing. Those headaches increased for awhile, but in the last 6-12 months, they've actually decreased in both frequency and intensity (yay!). So, the nasal passage pressure I feel is pretty interesting, because that's usually where the not-migraines start.

Hmmmm... now that's interesting Scottie. I suffered from sinuses issues and headaches throughout my 20ies but iodine sorted most of it out. Most of it. Not all of it. This morning I woke up with a bit of a similar "nasal pressure" sensation you described but I thought I caught a bug so I need to nuke it with more iodine. I held the lamp quite close to my face last night yet I didn't connect it to the blockage in the nasal sinuses area until I read your post.

It will be interesting to see if your not-migranes come back or not. Fingers crossed they won't!
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For reasons I, nor 2 specialists can determine, I have chronic inflammation in my left sinuses, causing congestion. Lab tests do not indicate infection of any kind, and I've already had surgery which resolved structural problems but not this severe congestion. So are y'all saying the infrared light increases sinus congestion/pressure, vs. reduces it?
 
JGeropoulas said:
For reasons I, nor 2 specialists can determine, I have chronic inflammation in my left sinuses, causing congestion. Lab tests do not indicate infection of any kind, and I've already had surgery which resolved structural problems but not this severe congestion. So are y'all saying the infrared light increases sinus congestion/pressure, vs. reduces it?

JGeropoulas, I have a little test you can do right now for yourself.

1. Take a big breath in and hold the breath.
2.Place your fingertips on your nose and squeeze your nostrils tight so that they are closed.
3. Tilt your head all the way to the left, and then all the way to the right. You want to do this head tilting 5 times. You should feel the pressure slightly change within your nasal cavity.

Repeat the test 3 times in total.


If it works at moderately helping to clear nasal cavities (even if only temporarily), your issue is very possibly a lack C02 due to slow metabolism/poor metabolic efficiency.
 
Persej said:
Gaby said:
MH: We’ve done a lot of studies over the years. We cannot really detect a difference between
red light, like 660, and near-infrared, let us say 810, 830 and 850. First of all, all the 800s seem
to be the same. Also something in the mid-600s, like 660, is the same as the near-infrared. A few
other folks have claimed to find some differences, but there’s not much difference really.
JM: Really? So the red at 660 will still provide the same mitochondrial benefits?
MH: Yup. Absolutely.

JM: I did not know that.
MH: Uh-huh.
JM: That is interesting. I thought they were completely different. But it makes sense because
they were pretty close. I mean they’re not that far apart.
MH: No. But in between, 730 does virtually nothing.
JM: Interesting. Why do you think that is?
MH: The theory is the absorption spectrum of cytochrome c oxidase has two peaks: one in the
mid-600s and one at around 800...

I was looking at color spectrum graphs of typical LED lights in monitors, and it looks to me that LED monitors have a plenty of light in that 600s range. So I was thinking to try to use my LED monitor, set at pure red background, near my face or body for 15 minutes. If anybody thinks that's a bad idea, or have some advice about monitor settings, please say so.

I think that phones/tablets can also be used for this purpose. Here is analysis for iPhone 6 and 7: http://www.displaymate.com/Spectra_37.jpg
7 looks particularly good at it, it has lots of 600s and lack of 700s.

It's a bad idea, because of blue light which have, in these spectrums, the higher amount. The best spectrum, for good results on health is to have the least blue wave and the most in red (around 430-460) and near infrared (around 800- 850)
 
JGeropoulas said:
Ant22 said:
...
Scottie said:
(...) In short, I feel a slight pressure in my nasal passages when I'm in the InfraBed. Not uncomfortable, just "there". I also feel a kind of heat, but not physically hot. It's almost like Reiki-type heat, but more mild. It feels like it's on the outer surface of my body, and that it penetrates about 2cm.

The first session, I hadn't yet read the post about how infrared penetrates slightly into the body, so I wasn't primed or anything. And the nasal passage pressure is interesting, because historically I've had mini-migraines coupled with sinus pressure and the whole disappearing vision thing. Those headaches increased for awhile, but in the last 6-12 months, they've actually decreased in both frequency and intensity (yay!). So, the nasal passage pressure I feel is pretty interesting, because that's usually where the not-migraines start.

Hmmmm... now that's interesting Scottie. I suffered from sinuses issues and headaches throughout my 20ies but iodine sorted most of it out. Most of it. Not all of it. This morning I woke up with a bit of a similar "nasal pressure" sensation you described but I thought I caught a bug so I need to nuke it with more iodine. I held the lamp quite close to my face last night yet I didn't connect it to the blockage in the nasal sinuses area until I read your post.

It will be interesting to see if your not-migranes come back or not. Fingers crossed they won't!
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For reasons I, nor 2 specialists can determine, I have chronic inflammation in my left sinuses, causing congestion. Lab tests do not indicate infection of any kind, and I've already had surgery which resolved structural problems but not this severe congestion. So are y'all saying the infrared light increases sinus congestion/pressure, vs. reduces it?
Yes, LLLT can reduce that.
It can also be chronic mold infection, very local, then without any sign on lab tests. It can also be reaction to polluted air. It can be a tooth problem. It can be a ventilation impairment due to septal deviation or other local defect.
So you can do what Keyhole indicates you, you can also spray iodine diluted in distilled water through your left sinus, and light therapy. Also UV therapy is good in order to treat local infectious disease, in alternance with NIR therapy.
 
nature said:
It's a bad idea, because of blue light which have, in these spectrums, the higher amount.

But the color filter is removing the blue light. Here is, for example, what you can get with f.lux program on Macbook with red background: https://fluxometer.com/rainbow/#!id=Retina%20Macbook%20Pro%202014/red-RetinaMacbookPro2014

It still has a tiny bit of blue, but not much.

The best spectrum, for good results on health is to have the least blue wave and the most in red (around 430-460) and near infrared (around 800- 850)

Red is above 600. Yes, I know that the near infrared is the best (800-850), but before I find near infrared floodlight I thought I could try this free method.
 
JGeropoulas said:
For reasons I, nor 2 specialists can determine, I have chronic inflammation in my left sinuses, causing congestion. Lab tests do not indicate infection of any kind, and I've already had surgery which resolved structural problems but not this severe congestion. So are y'all saying the infrared light increases sinus congestion/pressure, vs. reduces it?

For me, no. I feel a slight "pressure" while in the InfraBed, but it stops the minute the LEDs turn off. It's not uncomfortable at all, and it's nothing like actual sinus pressure.

I'm basically just wondering if it's working on fixing something since I have had related issues before.

But it's too early yet to say anything definitive.
 

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