The infrabed

[Laura]

The conditions we are in right now don't really matter if they are not what we evolved to encounter.

You might benefit a lot from reading "The Idea of History" as posted on another thread, and using the methods he describes to begin to try to get in touch with your inner paleolithic ancestor.

Ok, I understand the point - that things may have been completely different even in our recent history, but things are rapidly changing now so it is difficult to make any assumptions about what level of exposure (etc) or type of light is best.

Thanks for the book recommendation, I will add it to the list

And not just light levels and types, but just about everything. That's why we are having such a devil of a time sorting out what works and what doesn't and for who. Obviously, with epigenetics entering the picture, there is going to be a lot of variation. But, there is also a baseline that is linked to our evolutionary substratum. Finding and adjusting for that is tricky as we have ALL witnessed!!!

So, basically, those theorists of whatever kind who use history to form their ideas really need to take onboard the fact that uniformitarianism just doesn't give an accurate picture and we really need to consider drastic changes in our RECENT history (i.e. last 20K years forward AT LEAST), which are too recent to have contributed much to the basic human evolutionary process which appears to have reached its culmination 75 to 50 K years ago. Everything since then appears to be mainly epigenetics and bottlenecks.

 

[Laura]

Your french is that good? Impressed.

2nd link....scary stuff...:)

I read French pretty well, I just don't hear it that good when it is spoken fast, and I don't think fast enough for speaking it yet in a sustained way. I can spout off a phrase now and then if I have a chance to consciously formulate it in my head.

 

[SummerLite]

I'm thinking this is the light I will order. This one ships in the US unlike the one H2O ordered. If there is a problem with this light please let me know. Seems like its a good one though.

https://www.amazon.com/CMVision-IR130-Outdoor-300-400ft-Illuminator/dp/B004F9LF7E/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8&qid=1487116157&sr=8-13&keywords=infrared+security+light

lilies

Your eyes will need IR 660nm and/or 780nm to improve. I wouldn't take Vitamin C or NAC 1 hour before +after IR treatment, deliberately applied antioxidants working in body seem counterproductive to light therapy.
https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,44298.msg719185.html#msg719185

I was hoping to use this light on my eyes but it is 850nm so maybe not to effective.

Then there is this. I also want to use this for my brain. I'll need to read the article linked once again which may shed light on my question but going by this info provided by lilies, this light may not do what I want it to for these areas of the body.

Your brain will be best penetrated by 808 nm to a depth of max. 2 inches (40-50mm) - any other wavelength is less penetrating, while the uncovered brain tissue mass is best penetrated by 1000 and 1100 nm. (Ref.#1) This means either where your skull is less thick - back of the head, but usually there you have most hair(!!), which pretty much stops IR dead (Ref.#1), or anywhere you wish, but with LEDs it means pretty much [pressed to] skull-skin contact.

Read the linked articles in this thread, they are addictive! See titles below. According to latest research exposure to any body part affects the whole:

(Ref.#1) Shining light on the head - Photobiomodulation used to treat brain disorders

Lightening up: The Benefits of Photobiomodulation

If anyone has advise please let me know. thanks! So, use of the light will benefit all parts of the body and maybe I'll just need to go with that. Maybe I've answered my own question but any thoughts are welcome.

 

[Duke]

Hi Guysand Gals, My order came in from Hobbyking yesterday and I went straight into assembling the components. He's what I came up with. Made with 6mm depron(foam). Iron-on film on the back (A3 laminating pocket) so the depron won't break when you roll/ bend it to shape. Powered by a 3s (3cell) 12v Lipo. With a "JST" fitting.
Size- 190mm x 440mm. It's made to fit around your neck, head, shoulder, knee.... etc..etc.
Edit- parts I ordered from Hobbyking
https://hobbyking.com/en_us/male-jst-battery-pigtail-12cm-length-10pcs-bag.html
https://hobbyking.com/en_us/zippy-compact-850mah-3s-35c-lipo-pack.html
https://hobbyking.com/en_us/high-density-r-c-led-flexible-strip-yellow-1mtr.html

How do I measure the nm of the light morr actually than just sight/ colour?

 

[nicklebleu]

Duke, your project looks cool!

However I am not sure what you are trying to achieve with yellow light. The LEDs we have been talking about in this thread are all in the IR range (700 - 1000nm), where different wavelengths were used to target different problems.

Hobbyking's specification sheet on your LED didn't give any indication what range these LEDs were firing at.

 

[Wodnik]

I want to just mention here that the handheld LED red (or other color) lights are helpful for some things and easy to use. I have one like this:

https://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B018G3X6PS/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00

Which I use on my jaw, face, etc. Has really, REALLY helped with that persistent jaw infection.

And then there is this:

https://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B01K7E7S94/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00

Looks pretty weird, I know. I don't use it on my face, I use it on my back or knee while I am sitting and reading. It can REALLY give some good relief with just a 30 minute treatment.

I also found this one, which is Swiss made light therapy product .

http://www.bioptron.com/

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[Wodnik]

I want to just mention here that the handheld LED red (or other color) lights are helpful for some things and easy to use. I have one like this:

https://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B018G3X6PS/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00

Which I use on my jaw, face, etc. Has really, REALLY helped with that persistent jaw infection.

And then there is this:

https://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B01K7E7S94/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00

Looks pretty weird, I know. I don't use it on my face, I use it on my back or knee while I am sitting and reading. It can REALLY give some good relief with just a 30 minute treatment.

I checked on Amazon.fr and they don't send this item to Australia. The only one I could find , was this one below.
https://www.amazon.com/CSBY-lighting-rejuvenation-wrinkle-electric/dp/B074P5XKPX/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_2_s_it?s=beauty&ie=UTF8&qid=1502962994&sr=1-2-fkmr1&keywords=Beautystar+7+Colors+Light+Photon+LED+Electric+Facial+Mask+Skin+PDT+Skin+Beauty+Salon+Rejuvenation+Therapy+Anti-Aging+Wrinkle+Removal
Are they very similar ? Can I ask for advise ?

 

[Pierre]

I want to just mention here that the handheld LED red (or other color) lights are helpful for some things and easy to use. I have one like this:

https://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B018G3X6PS/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00

Which I use on my jaw, face, etc. Has really, REALLY helped with that persistent jaw infection.

And then there is this:

https://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B01K7E7S94/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00

Looks pretty weird, I know. I don't use it on my face, I use it on my back or knee while I am sitting and reading. It can REALLY give some good relief with just a 30 minute treatment.

I checked on Amazon.fr and they don't send this item to Australia. The only one I could find , was this one below.
https://www.amazon.com/CSBY-lighting-rejuvenation-wrinkle-electric/dp/B074P5XKPX/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_2_s_it?s=beauty&ie=UTF8&qid=1502962994&sr=1-2-fkmr1&keywords=Beautystar+7+Colors+Light+Photon+LED+Electric+Facial+Mask+Skin+PDT+Skin+Beauty+Salon+Rejuvenation+Therapy+Anti-Aging+Wrinkle+Removal
Are they very similar ? Can I ask for advise ?

yes they are very similar, they look like the same.

 

[Wodnik]

I want to just mention here that the handheld LED red (or other color) lights are helpful for some things and easy to use. I have one like this:

https://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B018G3X6PS/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00

Which I use on my jaw, face, etc. Has really, REALLY helped with that persistent jaw infection.

And then there is this:

https://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B01K7E7S94/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00

Looks pretty weird, I know. I don't use it on my face, I use it on my back or knee while I am sitting and reading. It can REALLY give some good relief with just a 30 minute treatment.

I checked on Amazon.fr and they don't send this item to Australia. The only one I could find , was this one below.
https://www.amazon.com/CSBY-lighting-rejuvenation-wrinkle-electric/dp/B074P5XKPX/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_2_s_it?s=beauty&ie=UTF8&qid=1502962994&sr=1-2-fkmr1&keywords=Beautystar+7+Colors+Light+Photon+LED+Electric+Facial+Mask+Skin+PDT+Skin+Beauty+Salon+Rejuvenation+Therapy+Anti-Aging+Wrinkle+Removal
Are they very similar ? Can I ask for advise ?

yes they are very similar, they look like the same.

Thanks Pierre . I will purchase it .

 

[Gaby]

I think there is some progress on my feet. Since my right foot hurts more than the left, I keep the light on the right foot. But I have a synovial cyst on my left foot which has been pretty consistent for over an year. Last time it shrank was with the autoimmune protocol. After I finished the protocol, the cyst reappeared. It seems that with light exposure to the right foot, the synovial cyst in the left foot is shrinking again.

According to calculations on this thread, I should do more than 15 minutes of light exposure. I had the light for about 30 minutes today at work and felt more energetic afterwards.

I got a bigger floodlight where I can keep both of my feet exposed to the light. We'll see.

 

[Ant22]

This may be a bit of a silly question but as I can't seem to be able to find an answer to it I thought I'd ask here: can the LED lamp be used in daylight? Or does it need a dim/dark room to be more effective?

My experience with the lamp being a bit energising matches Gaby's. I used it right before bedtime for about 20 minutes last night and having read Laura's post quoted below I also used it on my face. As a result I sorted myself out for a bit of a sleepless night. Well, I guess it was easy to avoid by simply putting 2 and 2 together: light exposure right before going to sleep was not likely to be a successful endeavour. So this morning I used the lamp to combat the tiredness and sluggishness and it seems to have helped quite a bit. I think I'll make the LED therapy my morning routine!

I want to just mention here that the handheld LED red (or other color) lights are helpful for some things and easy to use. I have one like this:

https://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B018G3X6PS/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00

Which I use on my jaw, face, etc. Has really, REALLY helped with that persistent jaw infection.

And then there is this:

https://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B01K7E7S94/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00

Looks pretty weird, I know. I don't use it on my face, I use it on my back or knee while I am sitting and reading. It can REALLY give some good relief with just a 30 minute treatment.

If this device helped with a jaw infection I wonder what effect it would have on areas affected by arthritis. I'm considering getting a lamp like this for my mom as arthritis runs in my family and my mom started to display symptoms of it already.
My only worry is that in her case the lamp would only treat symptoms because my mom's diet is not exactly great. I've noticed that I start getting aches in my legs and joints whenever I eat too much grains and since I'm completely gluten free the type of grains doesn't seem to matter much. My mom has reduced gluten but she still eats lots of grains (and dairy) so if my theory is correct she's continuously fueling what's causing the symptoms to manifest. In that case the lamp may not do much for her I guess.

 

[Pierre]

This may be a bit of a silly question but as I can't seem to be able to find an answer to it I thought I'd ask here: can the LED lamp be used in daylight? Or does it need a dim/dark room to be more effective?

You can use your NIR lamp in daylight or not. In any case you will get the NIR radiation emitted by the lamp.

Your question might stem from the fact that Solar rays contain blue light, that tends to cancel the beneficial effects of red light. But Solar rays also contains red light.

So whether you operate your NIR device in a dark room or not won't change much to the end result, OSIT.

 

[Ant22]

This may be a bit of a silly question but as I can't seem to be able to find an answer to it I thought I'd ask here: can the LED lamp be used in daylight? Or does it need a dim/dark room to be more effective?

You can use your NIR lamp in daylight or not. In any case you will get the NIR radiation emitted by the lamp.

Your question might stem from the fact that Solar rays contain blue light, that tends to cancel the beneficial effects of red light. But Solar rays also contains red light.

So whether you operate your NIR device in a dark room or not won't change much to the end result, OSIT.

Thank you for clarifying this Pierre.

 

[Keyhole]

My only worry is that in her case the lamp would only treat symptoms because my mom's diet is not exactly great.

Diet induced issues, toxicity induced issues, EMF induced issues etc seem all to be essentially the same fundamental problem when you examine the basic mechanics at the subcellular level. It is amazing to see that most diseases are really similar, but manifest in different ways depending on local interactions.

In any disease (other than genetic defects), mitochondrial function is screwed (locally speaking). In nervous system disorders, it is brain/nervous system mitochondria. In cardiovascular disease, it is heart mitochondria and vascular mitochondria. In GI dysfunction or IBD, the intestinal epithelial mitochondria is dysfunctional. Markers such as lactate dehydrogenase are a fair measurement for this, and anyone can search PubMed to see thousands of research papers to back up this conclusion.

So if we know that mitochondrial dysfunction underlies the pathology, then this is likely the same way that others agents contribute to said pathology.

With this considered, NIR directly stimulates mitochondrial function, cell regeneration, etc etc etc. Hence, the light is not necessarily treating the "symptoms", but more likely improving/treating the cause (assuming poor mitochondrial function is the cause - which I personally think it is).

That said, the above applies if your mum has poor cytochrome C oxidase function and too much nitric oxide. Other reasons for poor mitochondrial function can stem from vitamin B1, B2, B3, Quinone/CoQ10, Biotin, Manganese, or magnesium deficiencies. In these cases, NIR light will likely not correct the root cause, but will still help in some other ways. Overall, it seems like most people can benefit from red light, and is totally worth recommending.

 

[Scottie]

I just want to report on my first 3 experiences using the InfraBedTM.

I didn't expect anything the first time, but I felt something interesting when using it. The same thing happened the second 2 times I used it.

In short, I feel a slight pressure in my nasal passages when I'm in the InfraBed. Not uncomfortable, just "there". I also feel a kind of heat, but not physically hot. It's almost like Reiki-type heat, but more mild. It feels like it's on the outer surface of my body, and that it penetrates about 2cm.

The first session, I hadn't yet read the post about how infrared penetrates slightly into the body, so I wasn't primed or anything. And the nasal passage pressure is interesting, because historically I've had mini-migraines coupled with sinus pressure and the whole disappearing vision thing. Those headaches increased for awhile, but in the last 6-12 months, they've actually decreased in both frequency and intensity (yay!). So, the nasal passage pressure I feel is pretty interesting, because that's usually where the not-migraines start.

Other than that, I can't say that I've noticed anything else, except that one 15-minute treatment the day after I worked out seemed to have fixed some sore muscles. I didn't even realize it until the next morning.

It doesn't really energize me (in a wide-awake sense), but I do usually feel "better" somehow afterwards.

Well, that may sound , but it's pretty clear it's doing something!