The infrabed

Pierre said:
You can buy those spools from Aliexpress. Each spool is 5 meters (16ift) long. There are 60 LED per meter. We bought 9 spools for a total of 45 meters. We cut the strips in 72 sections of 60 cm (2 ft). So, our bed has a total of about 2600 LEDs for a total consumption that is around 200W.

The strip come with double side tape on the back which makes the installation very easy. You can pick one of three strip colors: black, yellow, white. We chose yellow because it matches the color of the bed frame (golden oak).

Do these look like the same specs as those you bought? From what I can tell, they look the same but not sure if I'm missing anything. Did you use the type that are waterproof?

http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/High-quality-infrared-850nm-940nm-led_60235168737.html

Some of the waterproof designs use silicone tubing or injection. I saw that plexiglass had a good ability to allow the light-waves through but couldn't find anything regarding silicone. Looks like silicone is used in some infrared technologies though.

Do you think a silicone sheet could be used in place of plexiglass? The reason I ask is that I was thinking that a rubber type mat with grooves topped with some kind of clear sheet (like silicone or vinyl) might provide some additional comfort.
 
Renaissance said:
Do these look like the same specs as those you bought? From what I can tell, they look the same but not sure if I'm missing anything. Did you use the type that are waterproof?

http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/High-quality-infrared-850nm-940nm-led_60235168737.html

Some of the waterproof designs use silicone tubing or injection. I saw that plexiglass had a good ability to allow the light-waves through but couldn't find anything regarding silicone. Looks like silicone is used in some infrared technologies though.

Do you think a silicone sheet could be used in place of plexiglass? The reason I ask is that I was thinking that a rubber type mat with grooves topped with some kind of clear sheet (like silicone or vinyl) might provide some additional comfort.

Spec-wise, they look the same to me.

The coating is transparent silicone, and from our IR measurements when it was all done, it appears the infrared passes right thru without a problem.

If you're gonna build a bed though, I would stick with the exact kind we got. The reason is that buying stuff from China is always tricky. For example, you can buy a 30W LED floodlight cheap from China, or you can buy a more expensive one (also made in China) from Amazon. The Amazon ones seem to last longer, have fewer failures, and the specs are more truthful.

So, now that we know the ones we picked are good, I'd just pay the extra money and run with it. You really don't want to have to resolder a bunch of strips if they die. It's a rather tedious and time-consuming process. Plus, we have achieved many good results with our infrabed that uses those specific LED strips. If you're gonna build one, the added cost of those strips is probably worth it. The whole thing will still be WAAAY cheaper than a pre-made bed!

As for the surface, the strips we got are IP65, which means pretty waterproof to some extent (there are specific standards regarding submersion, being blasted with a jet of water, etc). More importantly, the silicone actually makes them a bit easier to work with since the sticky tape will come loose sometimes, but the silicone dome on top ensures that the strip won't pop up since the plexiglass holds it in place.

The reason we picked the plexiglass route is that you don't want to squish the LED strips. Sure, they bend, but they're not mechanically very strong if people are scootching around and stuff.

So, the way Pierre designed the bed is actually perfect, because it provides a very sturdy surface that protects the LEDs, holds them nicely in place, and still lets plenty of light through.

Also, you might think that laying on plexiglass is not very comfy, but it's really not too bad. And besides, you're not gonna be in there for more than 20 minutes usually. I usually do 15 minutes, and we have a little teeny cushion for your noggin. It's very easy to fall asleep in the thing, so it must be comfy enough!

Finally, the power supplies were a bit tricky to find, since they should be oversized for reliability. The ones I mentioned earlier in this thread are not available in the USA since I got them from Conrad, which doesn't ship to N. America. Lemme know if you can't find a good alternative and I'll see what I can dig up. I know there is a good alternative to Conrad in the US that's the same kind of thing, but I can't remember what it's called!
 
Scottie said:
The reason we picked the plexiglass route is that you don't want to squish the LED strips. Sure, they bend, but they're not mechanically very strong if people are scootching around and stuff.

So, the way Pierre designed the bed is actually perfect, because it provides a very sturdy surface that protects the LEDs, holds them nicely in place, and still lets plenty of light through.

Also, you might think that laying on plexiglass is not very comfy, but it's really not too bad. And besides, you're not gonna be in there for more than 20 minutes usually. I usually do 15 minutes, and we have a little teeny cushion for your noggin. It's very easy to fall asleep in the thing, so it must be comfy enough!

Finally, the power supplies were a bit tricky to find, since they should be oversized for reliability. The ones I mentioned earlier in this thread are not available in the USA since I got them from Conrad, which doesn't ship to N. America. Lemme know if you can't find a good alternative and I'll see what I can dig up. I know there is a good alternative to Conrad in the US that's the same kind of thing, but I can't remember what it's called!

Yeah, you do NOT want to risk anybody scootching around and breaking the wires and getting shocked. And while the strips are strong enough, I don't think they would withstand direct bodily assault! You want to protect them from the bodies and the bodies from them: thus, plexiglas.

Dunno why you even think that you have to make it "comfy" for the short period of time that it is used for a treatment.
 
Persej said:
nature said:
ah okay, your filter is already in your smartphone? But:
1. is this filter reliable? it would be interesting if you can check it with a spectrophotometer

Yes, I would love to have spectrophotometer. But they are very expensive. I have no way to know which red color I'm using without it.

Hi Persej! I just read this on Jack Kruse blog. There are apps on smartphone to get the spectrum of light sources _https://www.jackkruse.com/ubiquitination-24-are-myopia-light-and-aging-linked/

You can use a plastic spectrometer to measure the ambient light in your environment or you can use your phone. I have found there are differences in measurements between both. Our world is filled with different light sources: fluorescent office lights, sodium street lamps, and bright neon lights. My OR is filled with even more deadly treasures. Now you can see all of the emission spectra of these light sources with our new iPhone app: SpectraSnapp if you can’t find a plastic spectrometer on the internet.
 
Scottie said:
Spec-wise, they look the same to me.

The coating is transparent silicone, and from our IR measurements when it was all done, it appears the infrared passes right thru without a problem.

If you're gonna build a bed though, I would stick with the exact kind we got. The reason is that buying stuff from China is always tricky. For example, you can buy a 30W LED floodlight cheap from China, or you can buy a more expensive one (also made in China) from Amazon. The Amazon ones seem to last longer, have fewer failures, and the specs are more truthful.

So, now that we know the ones we picked are good, I'd just pay the extra money and run with it. You really don't want to have to resolder a bunch of strips if they die. It's a rather tedious and time-consuming process. Plus, we have achieved many good results with our infrabed that uses those specific LED strips. If you're gonna build one, the added cost of those strips is probably worth it. The whole thing will still be WAAAY cheaper than a pre-made bed!

Thanks, didn't think of that regarding different sources from China. Will go will the same source when ready.

Scottie said:
As for the surface, the strips we got are IP65, which means pretty waterproof to some extent (there are specific standards regarding submersion, being blasted with a jet of water, etc). More importantly, the silicone actually makes them a bit easier to work with since the sticky tape will come loose sometimes, but the silicone dome on top ensures that the strip won't pop up since the plexiglass holds it in place.

The reason we picked the plexiglass route is that you don't want to squish the LED strips. Sure, they bend, but they're not mechanically very strong if people are scootching around and stuff.

So, the way Pierre designed the bed is actually perfect, because it provides a very sturdy surface that protects the LEDs, holds them nicely in place, and still lets plenty of light through.

Also, you might think that laying on plexiglass is not very comfy, but it's really not too bad. And besides, you're not gonna be in there for more than 20 minutes usually. I usually do 15 minutes, and we have a little teeny cushion for your noggin. It's very easy to fall asleep in the thing, so it must be comfy enough!


Laura said:
Yeah, you do NOT want to risk anybody scootching around and breaking the wires and getting shocked. And while the strips are strong enough, I don't think they would withstand direct bodily assault! You want to protect them from the bodies and the bodies from them: thus, plexiglas.

Dunno why you even think that you have to make it "comfy" for the short period of time that it is used for a treatment.

The point about the wires is well taken. I wouldn't want anyone being shocked or hurt by a bad design, nor the bed to be broken after the cost and work to build it. I won't try to redesign what already works well. Looks like there was some selfishness and bad thinking on my part there. Thanks for putting me on track.

Scottie said:
Finally, the power supplies were a bit tricky to find, since they should be oversized for reliability. The ones I mentioned earlier in this thread are not available in the USA since I got them from Conrad, which doesn't ship to N. America. Lemme know if you can't find a good alternative and I'll see what I can dig up. I know there is a good alternative to Conrad in the US that's the same kind of thing, but I can't remember what it's called!

Good to know. I'll be in touch about the power supply and other questions that come up, thanks!
 
nature said:
Hi Persej! I just read this on Jack Kruse blog. There are apps on smartphone to get the spectrum of light sources _https://www.jackkruse.com/ubiquitination-24-are-myopia-light-and-aging-linked/

I saw a video about it on YT and it looks too complicated for me and I don't know how accurate it is. But I bought a 850nm floodlight in the meantime. I've been testing it for 7 days now and I can't say that I noticed any effect. The only problem that I had with it so far was that every time I use it on my face I feel a little nauseous afterwards. On the rest of the body I have no such problem.
 
Renaissance said:
Pierre said:
You can buy those spools from Aliexpress. Each spool is 5 meters (16ift) long. There are 60 LED per meter. We bought 9 spools for a total of 45 meters. We cut the strips in 72 sections of 60 cm (2 ft). So, our bed has a total of about 2600 LEDs for a total consumption that is around 200W.

The strip come with double side tape on the back which makes the installation very easy. You can pick one of three strip colors: black, yellow, white. We chose yellow because it matches the color of the bed frame (golden oak).

Do these look like the same specs as those you bought? From what I can tell, they look the same but not sure if I'm missing anything. Did you use the type that are waterproof?

http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/High-quality-infrared-850nm-940nm-led_60235168737.html

Some of the waterproof designs use silicone tubing or injection. I saw that plexiglass had a good ability to allow the light-waves through but couldn't find anything regarding silicone. Looks like silicone is used in some infrared technologies though.

Do you think a silicone sheet could be used in place of plexiglass? The reason I ask is that I was thinking that a rubber type mat with grooves topped with some kind of clear sheet (like silicone or vinyl) might provide some additional comfort.

I was checking the infrared absorption spectra for polymethylmetacrylate (plexiglass) and in has a light absorption near 850 nm, so in a approximate measure it transmit the 75- 80% of the power of the light, but silicone (polydimethylsiloxane) spectrum shows that at 800 nm it has a strong absorption, so only 60 % of the potency is transmitted, but precisely at 850 it transmit the 80 % of the potency and at 1000 nm it absorb strong again and stronger at 1100-1500 nm. It depends also of the composition of the material too.

https://wikispaces.psu.edu/plugins/viewsource/viewpagesrc.action?pageId=53313675

https://sites.google.com/site/isumate453lab3group8/data/polymethyl-methacrylate-pmma
 
Persej said:
But I bought a 850nm floodlight in the meantime. I've been testing it for 7 days now and I can't say that I noticed any effect. The only problem that I had with it so far was that every time I use it on my face I feel a little nauseous afterwards. On the rest of the body I have no such problem.

Maybe you shouldn't use the light on your face since it is making you feel bad?
 
hlat said:
Maybe you shouldn't use the light on your face since it is making you feel bad?

It seems that I solved the problem by not looking in the light. I had no such problem in the last couple of days with my eyes closed.
 
I'm also testing an infrared lamp at the moment. I use it daily about 3-5 minutes for my pancreas and also about 3-5 minutes for my head (thyroid area). It seems I'm sleeping more deeply, but my blood sugar went in the opposite direction and I'm in need of a double dose for insulin for a whole day. I ruled everything out (experimental food for example), unless that I have an infection that my blood sugar is that elevated, it seems that the infrared lamp is causing and for an unknown reason that I need much more insulin. I'm keeping a strict eye on it and how it further develops.
 
Gawan said:
I'm also testing an infrared lamp at the moment. I use it daily about 3-5 minutes for my pancreas and also about 3-5 minutes for my head (thyroid area). It seems I'm sleeping more deeply, but my blood sugar went in the opposite direction and I'm in need of a double dose for insulin for a whole day. I ruled everything out (experimental food for example), unless that I have an infection that my blood sugar is that elevated, it seems that the infrared lamp is causing and for an unknown reason that I need much more insulin. I'm keeping a strict eye on it and how it further develops.

That's pretty interesting. I wonder if the insulin needs increase because there is increased activity in the body via activation of more mitochondria? Why don't you try about 15 minutes on the back and continue the 5 each on the other two areas. We do much longer sessions than that and that seems to be recommended.
 
Gawan said:
I'm also testing an infrared lamp at the moment. I use it daily about 3-5 minutes for my pancreas and also about 3-5 minutes for my head (thyroid area). It seems I'm sleeping more deeply, but my blood sugar went in the opposite direction and I'm in need of a double dose for insulin for a whole day. I ruled everything out (experimental food for example), unless that I have an infection that my blood sugar is that elevated, it seems that the infrared lamp is causing and for an unknown reason that I need much more insulin. I'm keeping a strict eye on it and how it further develops.
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That is interesting Gawan, as we had a similar experience here just in the last couple of weeks. I have had my wife use the light on her knee, and on her neck recently. She usually dozes off while using the light.

She has pre diabetic levels when checked on the blood glucose meter. And just last week, when she checked her blood sugar, it jumped to 10.5 from her usual around 8.5.

I was pretty surprised, trying to figure what would make it jump like that. But now reading your post, maybe she is having a similar reaction.

Maybe I will have her suspend the use of the light for a while, then recheck her levels to see if that is what is causing the rise.
 
Laura said:
Gawan said:
I'm also testing an infrared lamp at the moment. I use it daily about 3-5 minutes for my pancreas and also about 3-5 minutes for my head (thyroid area). It seems I'm sleeping more deeply, but my blood sugar went in the opposite direction and I'm in need of a double dose for insulin for a whole day. I ruled everything out (experimental food for example), unless that I have an infection that my blood sugar is that elevated, it seems that the infrared lamp is causing and for an unknown reason that I need much more insulin. I'm keeping a strict eye on it and how it further develops.

That's pretty interesting. I wonder if the insulin needs increase because there is increased activity in the body via activation of more mitochondria? Why don't you try about 15 minutes on the back and continue the 5 each on the other two areas. We do much longer sessions than that and that seems to be recommended.

Thank you. I did it yesterday as you suggested and the need of insulin is normalizing again.

Hello H2O said:
Gawan said:
I'm also testing an infrared lamp at the moment. I use it daily about 3-5 minutes for my pancreas and also about 3-5 minutes for my head (thyroid area). It seems I'm sleeping more deeply, but my blood sugar went in the opposite direction and I'm in need of a double dose for insulin for a whole day. I ruled everything out (experimental food for example), unless that I have an infection that my blood sugar is that elevated, it seems that the infrared lamp is causing and for an unknown reason that I need much more insulin. I'm keeping a strict eye on it and how it further develops.
1

That is interesting Gawan, as we had a similar experience here just in the last couple of weeks. I have had my wife use the light on her knee, and on her neck recently. She usually dozes off while using the light.

She has pre diabetic levels when checked on the blood glucose meter. And just last week, when she checked her blood sugar, it jumped to 10.5 from her usual around 8.5.

I was pretty surprised, trying to figure what would make it jump like that. But now reading your post, maybe she is having a similar reaction.

Maybe I will have her suspend the use of the light for a while, then recheck her levels to see if that is what is causing the rise.

Thank you for your report and it seems that there is indeed a connection. And I'm just wondering also when it is another topic, does your wife take medications and is under care of a doctor? Because 8.5 is also a bit elevated when considering that a non diabetic has blood glucose levels of about 5.4 and below. But eventually there are other rules for pre diabetics.
 
Gawan said:
I'm also testing an infrared lamp at the moment. I use it daily about 3-5 minutes for my pancreas and also about 3-5 minutes for my head (thyroid area). It seems I'm sleeping more deeply, but my blood sugar went in the opposite direction and I'm in need of a double dose for insulin for a whole day. I ruled everything out (experimental food for example), unless that I have an infection that my blood sugar is that elevated, it seems that the infrared lamp is causing and for an unknown reason that I need much more insulin. I'm keeping a strict eye on it and how it further develops.

Hi Gawan, pretty interesting. Just out of curiosity, are you using the led's infrared lamp 850 nm (this is with no heat), or the traditional red bulb with heat?
 
Galaxia2002 said:
Hi Gawan, pretty interesting. Just out of curiosity, are you using the led's infrared lamp 850 nm (this is with no heat), or the traditional red bulb with heat?

It's this one: https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B01M10RZ98/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Designed for night sight cameras. It has 850nm.
 
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