I have read with interest the reports of Magnesium L-Threonate and positive impact on memory and well-being. I have tried this supplement and I did not experience any benefits at all. In fact, all it did was make me feel more tired than I usually am. Any thoughts on why this should be?
The Magnesium Miracle
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kcutti01 said:
Hi kcutti01,
Welcome to this forum,
Magnesium by itself might not do so much as to radically change the way your body works/ feels. There is much more involved than that:
- heavy metal toxicity
- diet
- stress reduction
- spiritual dimension etc.
So if you don't tackle pretty much all of these issues, you might not feel any improvement, or even some worsening, that probably is coincidental. If you search this forum for the above mentioned issues, you will find a wealth of information that can truly change your life.
We generally ask any newcomer to post a quick introduction here to tell everyone how you found us and who you are - nothing personal, just a quick intro.
:)
Altair, i started taking:
Ethical Nutrients, Bone Builder MCHC with Magnesium, Boron & Vitamin D, 220 Tablets (20$)
_http://www.iherb.com/Ethical-Nutrients-Bone-Builder-MCHC-with-Magnesium-Boron-Vitamin-D-220-Tablets/21233
Which advises: Magnesium in 2:1 calcium to magnesium ratio to support healthy bones. (when in combination with Phosphorous and boron and vitamin D, as per the directions below).
I bought this product as it listed most of the minerals mentioned by Nagiel 'Cure Tooth Decay' and was cheap enough :)
Though i like the product, it is processed well and contains no really bad additives, it can 'upset' the stomach - probably the magnesium oxide? - and i don't believe the magnesium is sufficient at 167mg. I understand we are looking at a minimum of 400mg of Glycinate/Citrate daily (not stearate or oxide).
Also, i just noticed i'm supposed to be taking FOUR daily (which makes that 167mg x 2 = 334mg). They are the size of a small baguette so i am quite surprised, and i've not been taking enough.
From all i have heard and read, magnesium is just so important that i will probably focus on a getting the magneisum type and dose correct rather than a happy combination of the minerals i need in one pill.
Ethical Nutrients, Bone Builder MCHC with Magnesium, Boron & Vitamin D, 220 Tablets (20$)
_http://www.iherb.com/Ethical-Nutrients-Bone-Builder-MCHC-with-Magnesium-Boron-Vitamin-D-220-Tablets/21233
Which advises: Magnesium in 2:1 calcium to magnesium ratio to support healthy bones. (when in combination with Phosphorous and boron and vitamin D, as per the directions below).
I bought this product as it listed most of the minerals mentioned by Nagiel 'Cure Tooth Decay' and was cheap enough :)
Though i like the product, it is processed well and contains no really bad additives, it can 'upset' the stomach - probably the magnesium oxide? - and i don't believe the magnesium is sufficient at 167mg. I understand we are looking at a minimum of 400mg of Glycinate/Citrate daily (not stearate or oxide).
Also, i just noticed i'm supposed to be taking FOUR daily (which makes that 167mg x 2 = 334mg). They are the size of a small baguette so i am quite surprised, and i've not been taking enough.
From all i have heard and read, magnesium is just so important that i will probably focus on a getting the magneisum type and dose correct rather than a happy combination of the minerals i need in one pill.
Sorry Altair, i don't think i was clear:
"From all i have heard and read, magnesium is just so important that i will probably focus on a getting the magneisum type and dose correct rather than a happy combination of the minerals i need in one pill."
What i meant is that, Magnesium is so important that i will focus on finding magneisum in type and dose over whether it has the correct calcium ratio or whether it contains boron/vitamin D and so on...
Also, i found this:
The Clinical Resource for Cellular Nutrition & Trace Mineral Analysis
[looks well referenced as a site]
http://www.acu-cell.com/mr.html
Mineral Ratios for Calcium, Magnesium and other Elements,
and their Relationship to Spinal Manipulation and Alignment
Outside of testing intracellular levels, there is no easy answer as to whether a patient should supplement
only calcium, only magnesium, or both, and if a "Cal-Mag" formulation is used, what the ratio should be.
Serum calcium (or magnesium) tests are of no benefit since serum calcium is pretty well fixed, with dietary
changes having little impact on its value.
To varying degrees, the same applies to most other minerals or trace elements, or there is a non-linear
response, where low values can only be raised up to a certain level through diet or supplementation. Cellular
levels and ratios on the other hand do not have those limitations and continue to increase / decrease linearly
in response to dietary or supplemental intake, or they change in response to various medical conditions. ¤
http://www.acu-cell.com/mr.html
So it seems that there is advice, but it can vary depending on your general health, genetic make up, intake and so on... Which is why, unless i hear/read from the experts here, i will focus on finding myself a magnesium product first and foremost. I am sure i read here also, that if we are eating relatively healthily, we are already receiving adequate calcium, it's only because we are lacking in the other minerals which assist in the synthesis of calcium that we have problems.... (don't quote me ;)
"From all i have heard and read, magnesium is just so important that i will probably focus on a getting the magneisum type and dose correct rather than a happy combination of the minerals i need in one pill."
What i meant is that, Magnesium is so important that i will focus on finding magneisum in type and dose over whether it has the correct calcium ratio or whether it contains boron/vitamin D and so on...
Also, i found this:
The Clinical Resource for Cellular Nutrition & Trace Mineral Analysis
[looks well referenced as a site]
http://www.acu-cell.com/mr.html
Mineral Ratios for Calcium, Magnesium and other Elements,
and their Relationship to Spinal Manipulation and Alignment
Outside of testing intracellular levels, there is no easy answer as to whether a patient should supplement
only calcium, only magnesium, or both, and if a "Cal-Mag" formulation is used, what the ratio should be.
Serum calcium (or magnesium) tests are of no benefit since serum calcium is pretty well fixed, with dietary
changes having little impact on its value.
To varying degrees, the same applies to most other minerals or trace elements, or there is a non-linear
response, where low values can only be raised up to a certain level through diet or supplementation. Cellular
levels and ratios on the other hand do not have those limitations and continue to increase / decrease linearly
in response to dietary or supplemental intake, or they change in response to various medical conditions. ¤
http://www.acu-cell.com/mr.html
So it seems that there is advice, but it can vary depending on your general health, genetic make up, intake and so on... Which is why, unless i hear/read from the experts here, i will focus on finding myself a magnesium product first and foremost. I am sure i read here also, that if we are eating relatively healthily, we are already receiving adequate calcium, it's only because we are lacking in the other minerals which assist in the synthesis of calcium that we have problems.... (don't quote me ;)
itellsya said:
A calcium magnesium ratio of 2:1 is not advised, as far as I know. The thing we're mostly lacking in, is magnesium. Calcium is more easily available to us.
The magnesium types that are best absorbed are magnesium oil, magnesium glycinate, magnesium malate, and magnesium citrate. But I don't think you'd need to have any calcium with that. For strong bones, bone broth could be really good! Fwiw.
Gaby said:
Magnesium requiremenst vary considerably depending on the state of your body. I usually take 4 - 5 mag-maleate tablets per day (1 tablet is around 150mg of mag). Recently I was sick and my body was able to absorb 15 tablets a day without diarrhea.
The way to go in my opinion is to progressively up the dose until you start noticing the laxative effect, then back off a bit. This might need to be done regularely, especially if the body drifts out of the normal zone.
