The mission of humanity and man. Is there really a point in fighting?

greed hatred and delusion certainly factor into the ego mechanism - all about me and no other !
my two cents.
I believe that we all have that part of us from which we cannot escape. We can choose to be a force of entropy or a force of creative productive goodness, although these terms give many interpretations since a tiny life can consider us the worst plague since often without realizing it. Mind you maybe we destroyed a lot of microscopic life.
In our organisms, within the cells, an endless battle is already taking place.
Recognizing that we have acted recklessly can make us improve and become aware of what we also want to reflect if we take into account the information Cs we have unpleasant aspects in other realities but also benefactors and conscience.
A point of balance.
 
According to the Cs, the fallen angel Lucifer is an allegory of humanity in its fallen condition and at the same time a variation of an older legend such as that of Orion. How can it be that, having been in Union with the One, the seventh density ( humanity) may not have had knowledge of what physicality entails?
The legend of Samson as suggested by Laura's study demonstrates the limiting state and occluded potential. If we were in Union with the One, why did we choose limitation and fall prey to the mercy of beings from whom we are in a certain way at a disadvantage, abductions, implants, etc.?
I think that "In union with the One/7D" means STO, not 7D per se. Anyone who is STO is in union with 7D. But apparently there's an important difference between 3D STO (in the "long-wave cycle") and 4D STO. Our STO position in the long-wave 3D was kind of a "granted" one, not an "earned" one, I think. To prove that we deserve it, we needed to graduate to 4D, which we couldn't obviously. Although the C's say we were "closer to 4D", apparently we didn't do our "homework" (as Ra says) to complete the graduation. The C's say that it's only with 4D that the status of STO becomes "unlosable". The conditions of the failure to graduate to 4D also give some insight as to why we chose to pass to physical (or semi-physical) short-wave cycle.
 
Honestly I think there is every reason to fight, for a better future , a better existence. Because can you imagine a better world? (Sometimes maybe it's hard to imagine Because of the world we find ourselves in, as it's the only reality we know). I try to imagine a totally different world, and feel amazed that this IS a possibility. That there are places in the Universe where great joy can be found, I mean, they are real!
This was mentioned somewhere in tha Ra transcripts, this gives me hope.

They also stated somewhere that there are places free from diseases, that are healthy. I'd have to read it all again to find out exactly where they said it..

So I can imagine a where lots of good people are together, where we take care of each other, look after nature, and live long and healthy lives.

And this is a possibility if we are willing to fight for it.
I'd love to ask the C's more about what these realities are like cause it may give hope, questions along the lines of what STO worlds are actually like. (Well maybe it's something for us to work out ourselves I'm not sure).

Anyway this thread inspired a poem


There is always a reason to stand and to fight

From the sunrise in the day

Till the sunsets in the night

It's like the only thing that matters to do

To join the battle for light and for truth

Our ancestors they didn't suffer for nothing

As they battled through so many lives

The sacrifices they made

The many prices they paid

When they chose to stand up

To all of the lies

The many things that we lost

When we count the cost

To those who chose to stand up

And work in the Light

Cause they were in the battle

They were in the war

And I cannot ignore it

If it's knocking at my door

It's like the only thing that matters to do

And when I look after myself

I help others too

(And when I look after others

I help myself too..)

It's like the Universe gives us a helping hand

When we choose to work

When we choose to stand

It's like the Universe gives us a helping hand

When we choose to bring healing

And peace to this land

The sounds of the old towns

Echo in the distance

They try to wear us down but we will

Answer with resistance

The old bells they ring

And they ring upon the hour

A thousand years they've chimed

Up inside their towers

But no matter how strong their walls that stand

Against nature they've no power

A garden grows round their remains

With wild herbs and flowers

It's memories to history

Will one day be consigned

The old world it will fade away

With all that's misaligned

The bells though they still echo

Slowly fade with distant chimes

But they never really rang that true

They never really rhymed
 
Is there a chance that humanity will be able to fight back against its oppressors?

I think the answer is yes, but it would depend on what you mean by fighting. I'm reminded of an article I read years ago (I can't remember any specifics), but it was about indigenous tribal communities (possibly native Americans, not that it really matters, it could be any small group dependent on the stable working of the community for their survival). I've given this a lot of thought over the years, it's one of those things that just 'sticks' with you, probably because I never really understood the consequences of what they were referring to. Having read what Laura (and many others similar) have written about psychopaths, it became clearer. The point of this article was the damage a psychopath could potentially do within a small community, any community really. Whether it was the shaman or the tribal leaders, more likely a combination, would observe and decide that a particular person within the tribe was potentially a psychopath, and they understood what it could mean. It would be quietly 'allocated' to one or two of the younger men that on a hunting or scouting trip this particular person would be "helped over a cliff" or some sort of 'accident' would befall them. Raises all sorts of moral questions, but when the survival of the many depends on it, there is perhaps some justification.

I'm reminded of what the Romanians did with their 'tyrant' Ceaușescu 30 odd years ago, it was quite an operation. He was 'arrested' by some of the population, he was given a common law trial, found guilty and executed, I personally don't have to much of a problem with that. It was done without emotional anger by a mob, it was (apparently) a well targeted, planned and executed operation, done out of necessity. And here lies the problem of fighting. I'm talking specifically about what I observe happening in the UK at the moment, mostly because it has the potential to effect me, but I see similar in other parts of the western world. Divisions and anger are being slowly and deliberately stirred up by the 'authorities' who know exactly what the result will be. The outcome, more 'freedoms' being removed, Problem, Reaction, Solution as David Icke so adequately frames it. Indiscriminate fighting and violence toward opposing groups or the bought and paid for state thugs in costume, is just going to cause more problems, exactly what the 'authorities' want (in my view). The fight has to be targeted, without emotion or malice, at the selected few who are orchestrating the problem. I'm thinking more like what was done with Ceaușescu rather than uncontrolled riots and violence. That is going to be a tall order when many of the population are driven by egotistical anger and fear and are still deeply unconscious.
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An idea occurred to me. Perhaps this is a partial answer to my questions. I sometimes watch programs about animals and noticed one thing. Often predators attack only the weakest or even team up to take down someone large. Of course, there are other examples, but in many cases the victims could team up and discourage them from attacking themselves.

For example, wolves attacked a weak bison: don't abandon it, attack it with a herd of wolves - they are will definitely chicken out and run away. Bison are strong, they would definitely succeed. Weak birds have fewer chances in a fight against eagles, but if they all desperately pounced together, the eagle would definitely be in trouble.

It seems to me that this is similar to our task of acquiring knowledge. Even without otherworldly entities, knowledge is needed in the wild. How to move, where to spend the night, how to behave when you see a snake or a bear. In confronting predators from 4D, this works in much the same way. It's not a 100% guarantee, but even if it gives +5% to the average person's chance of survival, it's already in the right direction.
 
An idea occurred to me. Perhaps this is a partial answer to my questions. I sometimes watch programs about animals and noticed one thing. Often predators attack only the weakest or even team up to take down someone large. Of course, there are other examples, but in many cases the victims could team up and discourage them from attacking themselves.

For example, wolves attacked a weak bison: don't abandon it, attack it with a herd of wolves - they are will definitely chicken out and run away. Bison are strong, they would definitely succeed. Weak birds have fewer chances in a fight against eagles, but if they all desperately pounced together, the eagle would definitely be in trouble.

It seems to me that this is similar to our task of acquiring knowledge. Even without otherworldly entities, knowledge is needed in the wild. How to move, where to spend the night, how to behave when you see a snake or a bear. In confronting predators from 4D, this works in much the same way. It's not a 100% guarantee, but even if it gives +5% to the average person's chance of survival, it's already in the right direction.
Your analogy about wolves and other predators is a good point I never covered in my initial post. A pack of wolves will kill a bison, a leopard will take a gazelle, particularly if the prey animal is sick, weak or injured. It's not good or bad, right or wrong, good or evil, it's just nature. Serves two purposes - the hunter gets fed, and the prey doesn't get to breed any sickness or weakness back into its species. It keeps everything (nature) in balance.

As humans, we as a species, mostly seem to have lost this ability. We take the sick, the injured and the weak then promote them into positions of power and give them authority over us. Priests, CEO's, politicians, I consider the majority of them to be high on the list of psychopaths or STS individuals, then complain when everything goes pear shaped and start attacking the scapegoats so conveniently given to us as a distraction. Yes I'm generalizing, but I'm sure you get my point.

I do not advocate any form of violence against the "scapegoats", but I do advocate selective targeting of the damaged, weak or sick that have weaseled their way into authority.
 
I understand you, but I don't agree. I'll skip the part about power and the weak, so that the topic doesn't go off-topic. And about nature - I definitely don't agree. It's not a balance, there is eternal dynamics and global changes, many species have disappeared without human influence, all of nature is beautiful and cruel at the same time. And for this cruelty I don't hesitate to call it evil.
 
I understand you, but I don't agree. I'll skip the part about power and the weak, so that the topic doesn't go off-topic. And about nature - I definitely don't agree. It's not a balance, there is eternal dynamics and global changes, many species have disappeared without human influence, all of nature is beautiful and cruel at the same time. And for this cruelty I don't hesitate to call it evil.

You’ve been emphasizing physical survival strongly. And it’s not unimportant, of course, but does it eventually matter “how we die”? Being killed in an attack by an animal, a human, an STS alien, or by accident, disease, natural disaster, or suicide? God knows how many different types of deaths we died in our past incarnations or have been dying in our so-called alternate-reality lives? It's not that I don’t care about it. In fact, I get very preoccupied about it sometimes. But let’s remember, “Souls were never born and will never die.” It’s how we live (in terms of awareness) rather than how we die that seems to matter more. Again, this is not to say that we shouldn’t care or discuss about our physical health and survival.
 
I understand you, but I don't agree. I'll skip the part about power and the weak, so that the topic doesn't go off-topic. And about nature - I definitely don't agree. It's not a balance, there is eternal dynamics and global changes, many species have disappeared without human influence, all of nature is beautiful and cruel at the same time. And for this cruelty I don't hesitate to call it evil.
Hi cosmo-alex..
I can see where your coming from in a way, but see it from a different perspective.. That in nature, there is a level playing field, in that whilst predators may be stronger (on the whole) and have attributes that allow them to feed off prey, prey are given all of the attributes and skills that give them the ability to evade capture. So a balance is achieved imo.

In our situation regarding the 4D STS, before we were given more knowledge by the C' and others via Laura and others, there was no balance as we weren't aware of even being prey in the first place, and were (and many still are) in a place of ignorance and without the ability to to evade being 'food' .

From what the C's have said, when we chose the STS path, all of our entire realm was plunged into same, the short wave cycle, and what the ramifications of this are for nature as a whole is unknown to me.
Maybe a good question for the Cs would be how nature and 2D in our STS world compares to that of nature within a 3D STO world. Or maybe we can discern more about this by looking at prehistoric times, before the fall 309 thousand years ago.
But again, we have no understanding of an STO existence because this reality is all that we know, and my perception is very limited. So I know that what I perceive is so much lacking in knowledge that I try not to come to any hard and fast conclusions about the nature of nature (for want of better description).

I agree with bozadi in that the way we live is what matters the most. In nature it seems that the 2D wild beings are healthy, strong, vigorous and both predator and prey are perfectly adapted to their ways of life. (When humans aren't messing it up lol)
They balance each other out to maintain a certain equilibrium it seems.

From what I can discern about STO worlds, even if a life always ends, it is a much longer, healthier and more joyful life.

Ra said something along the lines of how our lifespans are so short here because of the trauma and intensity of the experience, that it would be too painful to endure such a long time/life in this mode of existence.

One of their closing statements was also about how it's part of the Universe process, how the stage always changes, the actors bow out as the curtain closes, and a new stage, with new actors enters the scene.
These aren't the exact words, I'm hoping to study Ra more in future, as there is so much in that material its hard to absorb it all and at the moment it's difficult to find the time.

And from what the C's say about how all is just lessons, can see how things would work by constant cycles of creation and renewal for the purposes of learning. I also wouldn't want to imagine a place that just stays the same for eternity, I remember the C's saying something like, "nothing lasts forever, and thank God for that!" - I think this was said in context of the way our world is at the moment..
 
But again, we have no understanding of an STO existence because this reality is all that we know, and my perception is very limited.
I have the intuition that the description of the Elven people in the book The Lord of the Rings can be quite close to the STO way of life and how that affects the nature of the habitat.

And even with that philosophy and way of being, they are warriors too.
 
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