The Undergrounders and Salvador Freixedo

Are they actually 4D souls that periodically cycle through earthly incarnation, as according to their ingrained personalities or identities, and with such they entangle themselves in Earthly histories as according to their preferences?

Are they agent provocateurs, inherently set against the predilections of surface life, towards some unknown ends, or are they agents of provoking novelties that impinge on the cyclical progression of history?

Are they merely a place-holding term, for the eventualities that occur within our worldly constraints? The tides of history do turn with remarkable scheduling, and familiar themes. If so, do they reinforce the eventual provision of historical legends which distort our perceptions into thinking them as inspirational figures, worthy of emulation?

During the course of their earthly stints, do they actually retain cognizant memory of their repeated patterns, or are they simply intuitions that they partake in?

Are they born within similar figures? As in, do their physical appearances maintain a sort of fond-likeness to others in the near-distant past? Would these figurative similarities impinge on others of similar attribution, and then lead these types to associate with each other more readily?

These are the sorts of questions which I'll be presenting material towards. For now, I will present excerpts from a booklet entitled: The Napoleon Myth. If Jordan Maxwell had any solid grounds for the assertion of "astro-theological myth" in the confines of historical narrative and contemporary conception, this would be it.
Was he rendered a Plaything of the Gods? Why even bother?

I will state that a "deep-level punctuator" is a literary figure-of-speech. It connotes symbolic and correlational metaphor and significance to a term in particular, if not a story itself. Akin to this: (N)apoleon Bona-parte!? This is the end of Part I; other materials will follow, but do feel free to read through the rest of The Napoleon Myth on your own.

It is not as simple as finding a definition for it, but just for the sake of approximating the concept, it could be a combination of many characteristics that you mention and, in a certain way, an act of free will on the part of the individual in question. As I understand it, they are real Agents (Smith :+)) of flesh and blood, in-carnated, Sargon, although sometimes they are hybrids, as in the case of Nefertiti-Helen-Sara.
I base my answer on the sessions, in which they are agents who have been prepared to “rise” and impose the interests of their agendas.
There is one of them called “awakening,” led by the group already known among us as “Pantheon of Thor,”:
" An army of Aryan psychic projectors."which influences culture in such a way that they reinforce, inspire, or distort history. One must remember that thought ‘creates’ and add that 4D also has technology to “travel through time.”

August 17, 2003
Q: (Perceval) What’s the relationship between the Mossad and the Rothschilds?
A: Mossad is a “brainchild.” […] The lines blur. Rothchilds are similar in a smaller way to Sargon. Deep-level punctuator.
Q: (L) What is a deep-level punctuator?
A: One who emerges from seeming obscurity to “make a mark” on history. Don’t you wonder where they come from. Think “deep.”
Q: As in underground bases?
A: Well, what a concept!
Q: (L) Is this where Helen [of Troy] came from?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) So no wonder nobody can figure who… Is this the story of Demeter and Persephone? Are they talking about going to bases underground in the myths of the underworld?
A: No. Mixing up concepts… but good try!
With this mixture of reality and fantasy that J.Maxwell talks about (I don't know if his name and surname are real?), I link it to a concept from the Bringers of the Dawn called “Holographic Insertions,” which are a type of holographic camera (ST) where a drama that seems real is created and inserted into our reality through portals, also done for the purpose of draining energy. I don't know the nuts and bolts of the matter, but there are easily verifiable facts from religion (Jewish, Hindu, Mormon, almost any) that could be explained by a type of technology and environment that overwhelmed the participants and convinced are inspired them of the misnamed gods. Another comparable case of inspiration may be that of Jonathan Swift, the “mad priest” of Dublin (whom Frexeido, also a priest, Jesuit, mentions in one of his casuistic works) claims that "Gulliver" obtained his astronomical data from individuals who crewed a flying, round, and shining island, governed at will by its crew using magnetism, and they informed “Gulliver” of the existence of two satellites orbiting Mars. (1726)
We could also talk about the novelist Jules Verne or Constantine the Great, the latter of whom I suspect could be a historical holographic incursion. Non-historical fact.

July 26, 1997

Q: During the time that all that mess was going on over in Scotland with Wallace and the Bruce, the Templars were being dissolved in France…
A: Dissolved?!? We think not! They merely went “underground.

Q: Is that literally or figuratively?
A: Why not both?

Q: Well, there are Templar organizations that some Masons claim to be in contact with.
A: And where do you suppose these are?

Q: Underground?
A: Bingo!

Q: […] What did happen to the Templar fleet?
A: Sail to underworld.
Some say that Napoleon was one of the Buena parte (good part) the question would be for whom.

Personally (and I may be rambling a bit), Napoleon reminds me of that concern in the first decade of this century "to elevate" the Comic as an artistic category solely to have more visual resources ($) and influence with them, as you say, inspiring figures worthy of emulation.
I recently attended an retrospective exhibition of Jacques-Louis David's work and was surprised to learn that he was a fanatical admirer of Napoleon (a fan with his thumb up) and that, for reasons of fate, his head and his work were miraculously saved from the guillotine. Then, after Napoleon's exile to “St. Helen”, (a change of scenery, perhaps, or a return to his “origins”?), David became depolarized and completely changed his political views. The wind changed. I am simply saying that it was thanks to his genius, his fervor, and his soul that the figure of Napoleon was sustained—and continues to be sustained—as an icon in history who served as propaganda to inspire Spanish American heroes libertarios who were inspired by that grandiloquent, contradictory, hyperbolical, and iconic image projected to generate the very brilliance that was needed to end the monarchies in Spanish America and consolidate the influences of the Bank of London, French Freemasonry, the Catholic Church, and Jesuitism.
Art like comics, works.

In any case—and I should start with this—my response is only an opinion, and Cassiopea's substack has done a tremendous and great job, explored the topic in greater depth and more objectively, with bibliography and comments on the subject.
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@Sindy-S.R thanks for the post about Salvador F. So he was one of those guys in the Ummo thing?

When the C's provided the bit about Ummo, I interpreted it as 3D program experiment - so a fraud (like a COINTEL program). Do you interpret it differently?
 
@Sindy-S.R thanks for the post about Salvador F. So he was one of those guys in the Ummo thing?

When the C's provided the bit about Ummo, I interpreted it as 3D program experiment - so a fraud (like a COINTEL program). Do you interpret it differently?

July 29th 2006:

Q: (J) What was the source of the Ummite business?

A: 3D program experiment.

Over 15 years ago, I read everything I could find about the Ummo case, and based on what has been said about the undergrounds in recent years, I agree with what the Casss say in this session.

 
A curious fact about Napoleon: the famous director Stanley Kubrick had a great admiration and obsession with him.
Many researchers speculate that Kubrick had Asperger's syndrome.



Stanley Kubrick’s Lost Napoleon, One of Film’s Greatest What Ifs

He first started actively pursuing the idea of a Napoleon biopic in the late 1960s, right as he was finishing up 2001: A Space Odyssey. As his assistant Tony Frewin tells it, the kernel for the project was in Kubrick’s interest in, “this ability to be a man of action, an intellectual, a strategist, with political objectives, and how you balanced all this and did what was right, I guess Napoleon grew out of that.”

A few years after Kubrick’s death, a reporter for The Guardian was granted access to his estate. Frewin takes him on a tour almost as surreal as Kubrick’s films:

Tony takes me into a large room painted blue and filled with books. “This used to be the cinema,” he says.

“Is it the library now?” I ask.

“Look closer at the books,” says Tony.

I do. “Bloody hell,” I say. “Every book in this room is about Napoleon!”

“Look in the drawers,” says Tony.

I do.

“It’s all about Napoleon, too!” I say. “Everything in here is about Napoleon!”

I wonder if people with Asperger's syndrome can unconsciously detect patterns to recognize a undergrounds?...
 
During the course of their earthly stints, do they actually retain cognizant memory of their repeated patterns, or are they simply intuitions that they partake in?
It's a fair question. Perhaps we are forgetting that all is “dual.” If you remember Maya from Karla Turner's Masquerade of Angels, we have a STO supervisor (?) of the terrain experience of Ted Rice:

Masquerade of Angels - 1994 - p. 43 - Karla Turner said:
That’s how it always seemed to be, a series of sudden appearances and inexplicable vanishings, with Ted as the only witness. Maya kept her word, and they did run into one another thereafter, although not frequently enough to suit Ted. Days would pass without any sign of her, and Ted would just about give up. Then suddenly there she would be, out on the nature trails as if waiting for him. They would walk together and talk, far away from the Lodge, deep in conversations unlike anything Ted had ever discussed before.
Instead of the usual trivia that made up a young girl’s interests and conversations, Maya preferred to talk about feelings and ideas, approaching topics seriously, without the silliness that Ted usually found in eighteen- and nineteen-year-old friends. Time after time, she amazed him with her remarkable insights, or philosophical questions. And she talked about things that Ted had never considered.
“Have you ever wondered what it would be like to fly out into space?” she asked him one day as they lay back looking into the sky. “To really see the stars up close?”
Maya and another “girl:” Lyra, worked frequently together, asking Ted about his psychic capacities to read other people minds. But Ted friends never saw them and they began to doubt about their encounters, so he tried to find out more about her and hers:

Ted was completely frustrated by that time, yet he stubbornly determined to keep digging.
“I’ve been up in those mountains, Maya,” he said angrily, waving his arm toward the northern snowy peaks. “All the way across the summit! There aren’t any towns up there. There aren’t any houses. Most of the time you can’t even drive across there because of the snow. And you’re trying to make me believe that you live up there? I don’t understand why you’re doing this, because it can’t be true!”
“Yes, it is true. All I can say is that it really isn’t me, or my choice,” Maya told him. “I’m there with my family. They’re living up there because we’re waiting.”
“For what?” Ted asked in bewilderment.
“For something to happen.”
“Waiting for what to happen?”
“You wouldn’t understand if I told you,” Maya replied. “It’s far too complicated, Ted, please believe me. But you will understand one day. Let that be enough for now.”
“Why do I have to wait?” he argued. “Can’t you at least try to explain? I’m not stupid, I can understand a lot of complicated things, you know that by now!”
Maya was unmoved. “You really would not understand,” she shook her head. “I’d like to explain it, but you can’t grasp it right now. You will someday.”
Taking another tack, Ted persisted, this time with questions about her family. “If you don’t have telephones,” he said, “and you don’t live in a town, and there aren’t any houses up there, just where does your family live?”
“We live in the mountains,” Maya answered patiently.
“In?” Ted echoed, trying to understand. “In the mountains? You mean, actually inside them? Like in a cave?”
“Yes,” she said, as if no further explanation were required.
This case is riveting tie with the “Fore Material,” in the now defunct Outpost Forum: the venezuelan boy who emigrated to USA and the associated repercussions of his alien supervisor to retain his “parental authority,” because it seems countries are partitioned between different alien factions.
 
Over 15 years ago, I read everything I could find about the Ummo case, and based on what has been said about the undergrounds in recent years, I agree with what the Casss say in this session.
Thank you, this bolded part is partly why I asked you.

For me, it was more or less, too, 15 years ago, when a so-called "friend" told me about this Ummo stuff. I had a look at it etc etc.

Later, I took note that the C's say that this element is not what it pretends to be. From there on, I assumed that it was a whole fraud, made by 3D people, to manipulate 3D people. That is how I understood it to be, today.

And then, you speak of both "Ummo" and "undergrounders", so I was wondering:
- if you were trying to make a connection
- (and so, if there is a connection - why not after all)

I prefer to remain very cautious for now, until further clues. But - why not. The Ummo thing was obviously a manipulation system. Chances are that there are ties to more than 3D.

:thup:
 
Thank you, this bolded part is partly why I asked you.

For me, it was more or less, too, 15 years ago, when a so-called "friend" told me about this Ummo stuff. I had a look at it etc etc.

Later, I took note that the C's say that this element is not what it pretends to be. From there on, I assumed that it was a whole fraud, made by 3D people, to manipulate 3D people. That is how I understood it to be, today.

And then, you speak of both "Ummo" and "undergrounders", so I was wondering:
- if you were trying to make a connection
- (and so, if there is a connection - why not after all)

I prefer to remain very cautious for now, until further clues. But - why not. The Ummo thing was obviously a manipulation system. Chances are that there are ties to more than 3D.

:thup:

I've wanted to write a post about your question for months, but I haven't been able to put together the content due to time constraints.
How did I come up with this hypothetical connection?
Through some books I've read about the Ummo case and also a book "El Símbolo"
related to this event:

 
I've wanted to write a post about your question for months, but I haven't been able to put together the content due to time constraints.
How did I come up with this hypothetical connection?
Through some books I've read about the Ummo case and also a book "El Símbolo"
related to this event:


Excuse me, this is actually the link to the book "El Símbolo".
 
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