The Vegetarian Myth

Amazing what programming does to us, eh? It's also really odd, when you think about it, that those of us who are so knowledgeable in the fields of conspiracies and KNOW what the PTB are up to in hundreds of ways, have never really thought about the fact that all the health info they give and propagate must also be equally corrupted.



When you think about it there are just so many levels and layers of deception that no one is going to think of them all, or even notice them all until one thing leads to another, like it does here!
And it`s just the tip of the ice burg, who knows where the discoveries from the mostly meat diet will lead later. But I suspect there is much more even to this, then has been uncovered yet.


Any particular reason why you bought unsalted butter to make the ghee? You need to increase your salt intake overall, so why deprive yourself of one source?

Also, you very much need to be eating meat and fat in the morning, before 9 a.m. The eating habits you described sound suspiciously like adrenal fatigue. Not being hungry in the morning is characteristic of that condition. You need to help your adrenals to rest by sleeping in total darkness, getting up and eating meat and fats in the mornings.




I bought both, salted which I use for everything else and the pound of unsalted for the ghee only because I was going by these directions..I can add a little salt before it melts though.


" Basics - Ghee (Clarified Butter)

Ghee is a form of clarified butter used in numerous cuisines around the world, most notably in Indian cuisine (it is held as sacred in Hindu culture). Ghee is made simply by slowly simmering (unsalted butter) until all of the moisture has boiled off & evaporated, leaving the milk solids at the bottom of the pan and the clarified butter above it.."

I do use the pink Himalayan salt quite liberally and also use Mineral mountain salt, as well as putting a pinch into my water, when I think of it.

There is little doubt in my mind about the adrenal exhaustion and I have been trying to work on this issue for a long time already. I`ll force myself to take a few bites in the morning, but I don`t know, that's going to be hard to do, but I will try.
 
Meager1 said:
There is little doubt in my mind about the adrenal exhaustion and I have been trying to work on this issue for a long time already. I`ll force myself to take a few bites in the morning, but I don`t know, that's going to be hard to do, but I will try.

It was very hard for me. I went for years and years and years just having coffee in the mornings and never eating anything until about 1 in the afternoon. I would then have dinner and, like you described, something later at night. I excused this as just having my 3 meals on a different schedule than other people.

Well, it is definitely on a different schedule - one that exacerbates the exhaustion of the body - a kind of exhaustion that leads to inflammation, auto-immune disorders, and even a heart attack.

When I began working on this issue, I had to literally force myself to eat in the morning. I was NOT hungry, the very thought of eating turned my stomach. That's a very bad sign.

I persisted and also stopped eating anything at all after about 6 in the evening - 7 at the latest - and getting in bed at a reasonable hour (11 works best for me, but it's nice if I can be in bed by 10 and do some reading). I had to go through all kinds of concatenations to get myself sorted out on this. Sometimes I would take some benadryl to get to sleep, drink herbal "sleepy" teas, melatonin, etc. I did low-dose hydrocortisone in the mornings for about a year to help the adrenals.

Now I wake up hungry (which is normal! surprise!) and eat a good breakfast, a medium lunch/dinner about 4 or 4:30, and maybe a small snack about 6 or 7.

It's going to take determination, but you'll be glad you did. A lot of brain fog clears up and your energy is steadier and longer lasting.
 
Laura said:
Now I wake up hungry (which is normal! surprise!) and eat a good breakfast, a medium lunch/dinner about 4 or 4:30, and maybe a small snack about 6 or 7.

It's soooo wonderful to read this thread (and the book) I don't feel so much like a freak. When I wake up I NEED Protein, in fact, sometimes it's my stomach that wakes me up...it sounds like I swallowed a dachshund whole and he's in there growling. When I was younger I was lazy and just drank these big high protein shakes, but they never stuck with me like the fatty meat does.

I think the whole "3 meals a day" thing is bogus...more programing. It is for me anyway...I only need two, one when I wake up, and another around 4 pm or so. If I have a snack later, my favorite is oysters...although I worry about the toxins in them now that I can't get them from someone I know.
 
In line with the Vegetarian Myth and the destruction agriculture has brought to people the world, I found this old article on the health decline of Native Americans interesting.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/11/021101070028.htm

Health Of American Indians On Decline Before Columbus Arrived In New World

ScienceDaily (Nov. 1, 2002) — COLUMBUS, Ohio -- The health of indigenous people in the Western Hemisphere was on a downward trajectory long before Columbus set foot in the Americas, researchers say.

The rise of agriculture is partly to blame, said Richard Steckel, a professor of economics and anthropology at Ohio State University. The demands of tending domestic crops encouraged people to settle in larger communities, where disease was more easily spread.

The rise of towns and cities during industrialization took a serious toll on health, but new evidence establishes a very long trail of poor health that followed the collective pre-Columbian efforts in creating modern civilization, Steckel said. He co-edited a book that looks at health trends in the Western Hemisphere throughout the last seven millennia.

According to some archeologists, the urban revolution began long before Europeans settled the Americas. Sophisticated cities flourished and expanded throughout North and South America once people mastered agriculture. Researchers believe that indigenous people began domesticating crops more than 5,000 years ago.

The current research suggests that the overall health of the average person declined with the development of agriculture, government and urbanization.

We know that certain health problems increased thousands of years before Columbus set foot in the New World, Steckel said. We also know that complex indigenous cities were thriving by then, particularly in Central America.

While the undisputed devastation of Indians in North and South America by New World immigrants has been the focus of historians who study the indigenous experience, patterns of health prior to the late 1400s have largely been ignored, Steckel said.

He and his colleagues used a new tool called the health index to analyze more than 12,500 skeletons excavated from 65 sites in.

North and South America. The sites ranged in age from 5,000 BC to the late 19th century. The index helped researchers analyze skeletal remains and, in doing so, determine the extent of certain chronic health problems.

Skeletons are warehouses of health history. They are the major source of information on the co-evolution of humans and disease, Steckel said.

The researchers share their findings on the co-evolution of humans and disease in "The Backbone of History: Health and Nutrition in the Western Hemisphere," (Cambridge University Press, 2002). Steckel edited the book with Jerome Rose, a professor of anthropology at the University of Arkansas. The project was sponsored by the National Science Foundation and Ohio State.

The book includes chapters on the health of Euro- and Afro-Americans in North America and Indians throughout North, Central and South America. The contributors gathered evidence on seven basic indicators of health used to assess chronic conditions that affected people living in the Western Hemisphere during the last 7,000 years. The health index gave researchers the basic tools to evaluate and compare the health of societies living in various ecological zones.

The index includes seven indicators of skeletal health measured at 65 locations in the Western Hemisphere: degenerative joint disease; trauma; dental health; stature; anemia; enamel hypoplasias; and skeletal infection.

Each indicator was scored from zero to 100 zero meant that the individual had had the worst possible case of the indicator, while 100 meant that the skeleton had no sign of the affliction.

The healthiest group, according to the index, lived along the coast of Brazil about 1,200 years ago. In fact, Indian groups were among the healthiest of all groups in the study indigenous sites occupied the top 14 spots of the health index, and 11 of these sites predate Columbus arrival. These sites ranged in age from 75 to 7,425 years old, and covered territory in North and South America. The groups ranged from coastal city dwellers to the Plains Indians of the American Midwest.

But Indians also accounted for some of the most unhealthy groups, occupying eight of the nine least-healthy slots on the index. The Zuni of Hawikku, New Mexico, were ranked last. At least 400 years old, this site presumably met its demise before European settlers made contact. Six other indigenous sites in the least-healthy category were dated at least 500 years before Columbus arrived.

The index also included European and African American groups. With a rank of 28 out of 65, antebellum blacks buried at Philadelphias African Church in the 1800s were in the top half of the health index. This group had health superior to small-town, middle-class whites, Steckel said.

It suggests that it was possible for a socially disadvantaged group to carve out a life with reasonably good health in an early 19th-century city, Steckel said.

On the other hand, plantation slaves buried in a South Carolina site ranked third to last on the health index.

While its not surprising that slaves ranked lowest among the African-American sites, it is remarkable that the slaves were so near the bottom in overall rankings, Steckel said. Their health was comparable to pre-Columbian Indian populations threatened with extinction.

Many of the healthiest groups included in the index lived along the coast. Others lived in the interior of the United States, where they presumably hunted for and gathered food. The healthiest sites were typically the oldest sites, substantially predating Columbus arrival. But equestrian nomads of the 19th century were also among the healthiest groups in the study.

People living in rural settlements were typically healthy skeletons found in these areas had less evidence of any of the negative health indicators than did skeletons excavated from large settlements.

While living in small settlements seemed to decrease the development and spread of disease, congested living, laced with migration and trade, helped lead to a decline in health, Steckel said. Infections increased as people began congregating in cities, and the worldwide spread of disease had begun by the 1400s.

The health index gives us one way to trace the emergence of modern diseases as well as a way to track the early impacts that globalization had on the spread of disease.

Studying historical data can help researchers learn about the resilience of health in developing countries, as many modern health problems have roots reaching deep into the past.

But the long-term evolution of health and disease is not simply a story that follows from the rise of settled agriculture and urbanization, Steckel said. There are other variables responsible for health, including climate, elevation, proximity to the coast and topography.

The researchers plan to analyze future versions of the health index using such variables.

The Western Hemisphere project has been a pilot for a project with global vision, Steckel said. We want to develop these tools and use them in archeological sites around the world.

Unfortunately, the article only looks at the problem of health decline from the overpopulation/disease angle and not from the decline in food quality from agriculture itself.

That reminds me, when I was driving home on Sunday from my parent's house, I was listening to Micheal Feldman's Whad'Ya Know. He asked the question: "With the advent of agriculture did people's overall health and their height either a.) both decrease b.) decrease and increase or c.) both increase." He claimed the answer was c., which I have a hard time believing after the research I've read on how people's overall health declined with the advent of agriculture. :halo:
 
Guardian said:
It also appears a lot of people have "stool" problems. I've noticed that as long as I eat mostly meat, I don't have any difficulties on that end. I think the fat greases up the colon walls or something like that because you just sit down, relax, and a big, long loaf comes sliding on out...no real effort required. Back when I used to eat bread, that was NOT the case, in fact that how I knew it was bad for me...if something doesn't come out one end as easy as it went in the other, I shouldn't eat it.

Yeah, I was one of them. Fortunately my stools have normalized and so as the bloating I've been suffering from for months. It all normalized when I started taking potassium, peppermint and aloe vera capsules, so I did need a little help. Problem is that for most of us, myself included, diet was carb based with lots and lots of sugar. I lived my whole life having regular, mostly daily, abdominal cramps until about 2 years ago, when I cut gluten and dairy from my diet. The worst of it is that I was so used to it I thought the cramps were absolutely normal! :O
That's how one's system goes completely Kaput, its' been messed about for so long that it takes a long time to heal. My bloating and constipation problems only began with my diet changes, although I was and am overall feeling light years better, my gut was struggling, no wonder after what it had been through...

Laura said:
It was very hard for me. I went for years and years and years just having coffee in the mornings and never eating anything until about 1 in the afternoon.
(...)
When I began working on this issue, I had to literally force myself to eat in the morning. I was NOT hungry, the very thought of eating turned my stomach. That's a very bad sign.

Same here. I couldn't stand the thought of food. Nowadays I wake up thinking of one thing: breakfast. What I eat for breakfast now would have been unthinkable back then.

Guardian said:
I think the whole "3 meals a day" thing is bogus...more programing. It is for me anyway...I only need two, one when I wake up, and another around 4 pm or so.

This is starting to make a lot of sense to me. Before the low carb diet I needed to snack many times. I also thought that was normal, having learned like most of us that 5 meals a day is actually the best way to go. Lately I've been having 2 meals, sometimes with a meat snack in between, and that's all I need. Meat with fat (it has to have fat otherwise I get hungry) and eggs are extremely filling in a way that doesn't make me sluggish nor have the sensation of being about to explode, and it keeps me going for literally the whole day
 
Meager1 said:
Amazing what programming does to us, eh? It's also really odd, when you think about it, that those of us who are so knowledgeable in the fields of conspiracies and KNOW what the PTB are up to in hundreds of ways, have never really thought about the fact that all the health info they give and propagate must also be equally corrupted.


When you think about it there are just so many levels and layers of deception that no one is going to think of them all, or even notice them all until one thing leads to another, like it does here!
And it`s just the tip of the ice burg, who knows where the discoveries from the mostly meat diet will lead later. But I suspect there is much more even to this, then has been uncovered yet.

Yeah, the health info is probably even more vectored than anything else, because that's the best way to keep people asleep. I must say though, this network is discovering information on the subject of what we should eat at a faster and faster rate, and knowledge is growing exponentially.
 
Re: The Vegetarian Stance

Bluestar said:
Laura said:
iloveyoghurt said:
LQB said:
On animal slaughtering, here is an interesting post from Stonybrook Farm:

This may be emotional thinking but to reading this my reaction is :barf:

It is emotional thinking to some extent. Have you read "The Vegetarian Myth" ? I got a lot sicker realizing what we are doing to the entire planet with agriculture. As the Cs say, if you can't stand the heat...

I agree here with Laura. It's the amount of damage to the eco-systems divine balance that agriculture destroys that hurts me. There is or I should say was a 5 acre plot near my house that was a thriving forest. Old oak trees and saw palms. The area was thick with life. Just last week I passed by it and it was all gone. They put in a farm. My heart ached when I saw it. It was like a war zone. Total destruction!

It is so much easier to buy 5 ac of pasture buried in a 10 ac plot of land. Diversity is greatly enhanced having both. Then put some animals on pasture, build the soil, and watch the life explode.
 
Guardian said:
I think the whole "3 meals a day" thing is bogus...more programing.

Much like I drink when thirsty, I eat when hungry. Sometimes two meals a day, sometimes three, sometimes four. Varies. (unlike, it seems, many others, I often have a late-night meal without issue)

I think this works perfectly when the body becomes more sane, which it does when strange things are no longer eaten.
 
I just started the book today and it's amazing how it seems to just flow. It would be hard to put it down if it didn't have the tendency to make me nauseous. Of course when I first came to the forum I was horrified at the thought of a 6th extinction, but now I see just how karmic it really is. We've destroyed so much. Wow. There are really tons of those "simple" karmic understandings in this book. Thanks so much for the recommendation everyone.
 
Guardian said:
I think the whole "3 meals a day" thing is bogus...more programing. It is for me anyway...I only need two, one when I wake up, and another around 4 pm or so. ...

I tend to agree, although I'm still fighting hard to overcome it - letting go - it appears to go deep. I have managed to keep out the mid-meal snacks though. :)

Drinking when thirsty is working, moving from a fairly rigid schedule.

Stools have yet to normalise, despite playing around with vit C and Magnesium, in fact the whole elimination process seems to go crazy on sauna days, when I seem to be excreting all through the day.

Hesper said:
I just started the book today and it's amazing how it seems to just flow. ... We've destroyed so much. Wow. There are really tons of those "simple" karmic understandings in this book. Thanks so much for the recommendation everyone.

I thoroughly agree, it's hard to put down, you want to go on reading about the ramifications of what we are doing to the planet.
 
The only thing I can figure out for those of you with constipation problems is that you must not be getting enough fat. I suffered from the now well-known effects of too much fiber backing me up for nearly my entire life. In the past three months or so, since I've got mostly meat and high fat, I haven't had a single problem. If I don't go, I sit down and eat a few very thin slices of serrano ham (prosciutto) spread with butter. That fixes me right up.
 
In the past three months or so, since I've got mostly meat and high fat, I haven't had a single problem.



Same here. If anything the meat digests much quicker and easier and tends not to stick around for long like all that bread, pasta and veggies did, for me too!
 
Meager1 said:
In the past three months or so, since I've got mostly meat and high fat, I haven't had a single problem.



Same here. If anything the meat digests much quicker and easier and tends not to stick around for long like all that bread, pasta and veggies did, for me too!

Exactly. The volume of waste is lower, too, no gas, no digestive misery at all. All the years I suffered with reflux and gastrointestinal cramps and so forth and never realized it was the carbs because everyone else blamed it on meat and fat! What a revelation!
 
Laura said:
Meager1 said:
In the past three months or so, since I've got mostly meat and high fat, I haven't had a single problem.



Same here. If anything the meat digests much quicker and easier and tends not to stick around for long like all that bread, pasta and veggies did, for me too!

Exactly. The volume of waste is lower, too, no gas, no digestive misery at all. All the years I suffered with reflux and gastrointestinal cramps and so forth and never realized it was the carbs because everyone else blamed it on meat and fat! What a revelation!

I just wanted to add that I have the same benefits as well since I changed to a low carb/ high fat/ extemely low fiber diet.

What a relief.
 
Laura said:
Meager1 said:
In the past three months or so, since I've got mostly meat and high fat, I haven't had a single problem.



Same here. If anything the meat digests much quicker and easier and tends not to stick around for long like all that bread, pasta and veggies did, for me too!

Exactly. The volume of waste is lower, too, no gas, no digestive misery at all. All the years I suffered with reflux and gastrointestinal cramps and so forth and never realized it was the carbs because everyone else blamed it on meat and fat! What a revelation!

Just for the record, I am a skinny type and although I use to take quite a lot of carbs I never had any kind of constipation problems.

Now that I am on the low carb diet, I don't see any difference at that level.
 
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