The Vegetarian Myth

SolarMother said:
Anart
Also, on the constipation issue, all you need is vitamin C and magnesium citrate - take it until you 'go' - and take it every day, consistently and you'll never, ever, have issues with constipation.

There seems to be a tendency to make things more complicated than they are. There's no reason for that - drink when you're thirsty and make sure you get vitamin C and magnesium citrate (or malate) every single day - if you're constipated, up the dosage.

OK, I'll ignore the advice I got a few days ago saying 'cut down or stop magnesium (citrate or malate) and take digestive enzymes, ox bile and potassium.'
I'll continue with the latter though, and re-add the former (mag.)
Vit C is a daily thing, so I'm doin' good there! ;)
To clarify, the magnesium either caused diarrhea or constipation, back and forth, once I started lowering the carbs down to 70, then 50g about 4 weeks ago or so.

Well, something is off because Magnesium citrate or malate does not cause constipation. It should not be taken at meal time because it can alkalize the stomach, and you need stomach acid at meal time. So, perhaps you misunderstood that you should be taking digestive enzymes (which is ox bile) at meal times and no magnesium at meal times (but definitely take magnesium during the day)? Most people are dreadfully low on magnesium and it can take well over a year of daily magnesium citrate or malate supplementation to correct that. If you're taking at least 6-7 grams of vitamin C a day and you're still constipated, up your vitamin C intake until you have loose stools - then you know what level you should be taking every day. Your daily level should be right under bowel tolerance. Also, make sure you have a good source of vitamin C - they are not all the same. There is really no way to stay constipated if you're taking enough vitamin C everyday and magnesium citrate or malate. (unless there is an underlying pathology causing the problem)
 
SolarMother said:
...To clarify, the magnesium either caused diarrhea or constipation, back and forth, once I started lowering the carbs down to 70, then 50g about 4 weeks ago or so.
I had constipation this last week followed by diarrhea today. I have been taking magnesium and vitamin C for nearly a year and I don't suspect them. I just started digestive enzymes and bile salts, and they may be part of it. I suspect I am having some kind of die-off in response to eliminating most plant foods (not all!) and dropping carbs well below 50g.

There is another complication to consider: protein and fat are digested in the stomach and small intestine. The large intestine deals with what is left. If all you eat is protein and fat, not much is left, if you are digesting properly. So things may back up. Digestive enzymes & bile salts could make it worse.

The book Fiber Menace describes the digestive process in detail and points out some of the issues with the Atkins and South Beach low-carb diets. I suspect that, in turn, there are issues with the suggested alternatives. You can't follow all of the advice -- it is contradictory. I am hoping that the newest book that Laura mentioned -- The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Living will shed more light.
 
You've Been Living A Lie: The Story Of Saturated Fat And Cholesterol

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/231003-You-ve-Been-Living-A-Lie-The-Story-Of-Saturated-Fat-And-Cholesterol

Let's make one thing clear - when someone is going to lower carbohydrate content in their diet, they should replace it mostly with fat, not protein. Eating a lot of protein with little fat and carbs may be a short term strategy for initiating fat loss, but not a healthy way of eating in the long run. A lot of people, who are willing to try or have already felt the benefits of low-carb/high-fat eating, are scared of hurting themselves, because the common knowledge is that saturated fat and cholesterol cause heart disease by clogging arteries. In reality, that is as far from the truth as Planet Earth is from the Sun!

Saturated fat (SF) and cholesterol (CH) are both important components of healthy cell membranes - SF makes them optimally rigid and without CH our trillions of cells would collapse into jello-like substance. Unlike polyunsaturated fatty acids, saturated fatty acids do not oxidize easily, because they have a very stable molecular structure. By the way, atherosclerotic plaque found on the walls of arteries is made up mostly of unsaturated fatty acids.

By minimizing SF intake, it is impossible to get enough fat soluble vitamins. A lot of nutrients found in vegetables go to waste if not prepared with fat - and by fat I mean SF, because only saturated fatty acids have the ability to resist heat and thus not oxidize. Moreover, energy provided by fats is long-lasting and does not result in an energy crash. And SF is the most satiating macronutrient of all!

CH is vital for healthy brain function and it protects against depression. It acts as a powerful antioxidant, even protecting us from cancer. Without CH our skin is incapable of synthesizing vitamin D from sunlight. With too little CH, our bodies cannot make new cells and repair old ones quickly enough, which means accelerated aging. In addition to being a building material for cells, cholesterol is used by the body to synthesize hormones we need for fighting stress and simply living a normal life. That is why a stressful lifestyle raises CH levels in the blood - we need more CH to cope with increased demands. Older people have higher CH levels, because their lifespan has created more cellular damage compared to younger people - thus its unwise to lower their CH with drugs. By the way, people with higher CH levels live longer than people with lower CH levels.

Because CH is such a valuable substance, manufacture of this complicated molecule in the body is highly regulated: production increases when you eat little of it and decreases when you eat large amounts.

So why do we have such a fear for SF and CH? Why are we being told that they are harmful and dangerous?

The story started in the mid 1950's, when one man so eagerly wanted to discover the cause of coronary heart disease (CHD). He came out with his hypothesis that SF and CH are the culprits. Ancel Keys was so in love with this idea, that he "produced" the paper, showing a close correlation between total fat intake and deaths from CHD in 6 countries. Why do I use a word "produce"? Because at that time information was available from 22 countries! If all countries were included, the correlation would cease to exist! He was laughed at because his study had obvious weak statistics, but Mr. Keys came back with vengeance. He conducted a study in different regions of 7 countries, which showed contradicting results - for example a different number of deaths in different regions of the same country. But Keys and his supporters saw only what they wanted to see and the results of the study were analyzed in a way which satisfied their expectations (and justified spending millions of dollars of taxpayer money!). Any open minded researcher, who has access to the whole material, would come to the conclusion that the incidence rate of CHD was correlated with sucrose intake! Unfortunately all Western nutritional education and advice is based on that study. All the big studies later on failed to confirm the results of Keys' study, but the public was informed otherwise - and they still continue doing that.

In scientific studies it is possible to concentrate only on those methods of analyses, which confirm your expectations. Moreover, statistical analyses leave plenty of room for interpretation. Also, it is possible to simply lie about the results and get away with it. Usually the abstract is the only part of the study that is read, not the whole study.

How could this fallacy happen and why is this still going on? There are several reasons:

1. There are professional careers on the line. Often a researcher or doctor has dedicated most or all of his/her career to promoting the 'CH/SF cause heart disease' hypothesis. Making a U-turn is unacceptable for most - that's just human nature - they are protecting their own interests;

2. The researchers could lose all their research funding if they stand against generally held beliefs, as it is impossible to find research money for trying to prove that CH and SF are beneficial;

3. Those few, who understand the real issue, are too afraid to speak up. Many lawsuits could follow if the dogma would be falsified. Accusations could arise for giving wrong and in some cases even lethal medical advice (people commit suicide due to depression more readily when their CH level is decreased too low);

4. Sunken fortunes. Too much money is already buried into CH research - admitting that it has all been a waste is unacceptable.

Those, who did their homework and stood against this dogma, were treated accordingly:

1. Kilmer McCully discovered that high homocysteine (not CH level) in the blood is the accurate predictor of atherosclerosis. He was fired because of questioning the CH "thing" and US authorities made it impossible for him to continue his research elsewhere;

2. Finnish dairy company Valio pointed that SF and CH are harmless. They were silenced by severe media attacks which continued for months;

3. Finnish version of Uffe Ravnskov's book Cholesterol Myths was lit on fire on a Finnish national television telecast!
Yes, going against any dogma is dangerous! Burning politically incorrect books reminds me of the actions against humanity during the times of the Great Inquisition and the III Reich.

So far, so bad? Not exactly. Currently Diet Dictocrats, Cholesterol Nazis and Big Pharma are experiencing some shaky ground.

Meta-analysis that came out at the beginning of 2010 has helped reshape our understanding about saturated fat and cholesterol. In meta-analysis, data from studies on the same subject are combined. Conclusion (in lay person language): there is no connection between saturated fat intake and cardiovascular disease (CVD) whatsoever. Really? But the most remarkable is the concluding sentence of the study:

"More data are needed to elucidate whether CVD risks are likely to be influenced by a specific nutrient used to replace saturated fat."

No kidding! For god sake, what could that specific nutrient be?

Isn't it obvious that by removing/restricting a naturally occurring macronutrient from the diet and from the food itself, it will be replaced by another one? Fat gives food fragrances and taste - this loss is compensated by adding sugar to the food to make it more palatable. Abundance of carbohydrates (coming mostly from sugar) and lack of saturated fat (also replaced with vegetable oils) are causing overeating which lead us to all modern diseases like CVD, CHD, diabetes, ADHD, hypertension, obesity, bone diseases, cancer and so on.

Medical drugs can improve only one single biomarker but not enhance ones health. New drugs capable of raising CH carrier, high density lipoprotein (HDL), in the blood (higher level is considered protective) and lowering triglycerides in the blood (higher level is considered a risk factor) do not improve heart health. But we have to look at human biochemistry at work! The facts are that HDL is raised by eating more SF and triglycerides are lowered by restricting carbohydrates, especially sugars, in the diet. If you follow recommendations of food pyramids or 'plates' you consume too many carbohydrates in the form of cereals, breads, pastas, fruit juices and sodas, which all have a nasty capability of triggering sugar craving and overeating. At the end it will be you who looks like a pyramid and gets sick as well.

I hope I convinced you that eating more natural fat and less carbohydrate is perfectly safe and most importantly, is the key to good health and better looks. How much you should increase saturated fat intake and decrease carbohydrate intake depends on your genetic background and energy needs. Everyone has to find that out by themselves.
 
SolarMother said:
Someone did advice potassium for dry stools, but it is hard to find. All i found was iodide potassium, so I would like to know if anyone knows if this is the right kind or what kind works the best?
And, finally I am wondering, is iodized salt bad for you (as we have been told for a long time that it is.)

I have been taking potassium iodide steadily for 5 days without any improvement on the constipation issue--yet.
Thanks in advance.

Hi SolarMother. Potassium iodide is not a very good source of potassium. It's a great source of iodine, but since you need to take iodine in much smaller quantities than potassium, you're not getting near enough potassium in that supplement (I'm assuming it's the drops?). If you find a health food store you should find many different types of potassium supplements or you can always order them online. The ones that are best are chelated to something (ending in things like citrate, aspartate, or sometimes just called chelated potassium).

And iodized salt is bad bad bad! Not because of the iodine, but because of all the additives they put in it to make it pour right and not attract water (how is salt going to work in your body if it doesn't attract water?). It also has all the other minerals naturally present in salt stripped from it, so you're getting none of those important trace minerals. Go to a health food store and get a nice sea salt. Look for one that's grey so you know it still has mineral content. You could also go for some of that fancy himilayan pink salt, but it's often pricier.

Hope that helps :)
 
I`m having a hard time finding fatty meat. We have been eating a lot of steak but that's high protein and not much fat. I wonder if using bacon fat on the steak would be ok.

Also, I find that I am really, really hunger again, every few hours eating mostly meat, which is very unusual for me.

I was used to eating only once or maybe twice a day..and so being hungry constantly like this doesn't just seem right.
Not only that, but the more I eat the more weight I lose!

I`m down 12 pounds in just a couple of weeks, so what am I doing wrong?
 
Meager1 said:
I`m having a hard time finding fatty meat. We have been eating a lot of steak but that's high protein and not much fat. I wonder if using bacon fat on the steak would be ok.

Also, I find that I am really, really hunger again, every few hours eating mostly meat, which is very unusual for me.

I was used to eating only once or maybe twice a day..and so being hungry constantly like this doesn't just seem right.
Not only that, but the more I eat the more weight I lose!

I`m down 12 pounds in just a couple of weeks, so what am I doing wrong?

Not eating enough fat. That's the take-home message from reading all the books about the paleo diet and what I've been trying to convey here. People are just terrified of fats, it seems!

Yes, eat more bacon, eat bacon burgers, put a chunk of butter on your burger, eat thinly sliced ham spread with butter and rolled up, etc. Eat some green beans drenched in butter. Etc.
 
Meager1 said:
Also, I find that I am really, really hunger again, every few hours eating mostly meat, which is very unusual for me.

_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbit_starvation
Rabbit starvation, also referred to as protein poisoning or mal de caribou, is a form of acute malnutrition caused by excess consumption of any lean meat (e.g., rabbit) coupled with a lack of other sources of nutrients usually in combination with other stressors, such as severe cold or dry environment. Symptoms include diarrhea, headache, fatigue, low blood pressure and heart rate, and a vague discomfort and hunger that can only be satisfied by consumption of fat or carbohydrates.

Eat more fat! Fatty pork chops instead of steak. Cook with lots of ghee, duck fat, bacon fat, lard, tallow etc etc
And eat organ meat occasionally (heart/kidney etc) or make sure the meat is organic/grass fed to get the nutrients you need. The problem with meat this isn't grass fed is its nutritionally deficient - they also have more omega 6 than omega 3, so you need to supplement with omega 3.

Chicken legs in a casserole dish with water, 200g of duck fat and covered in loads of bacon was excellent. :D
 
Ok, will do. I have never eaten a lot of bacon or pork, but I`ll get some today.
And load up on the butter too. Thanks.
 
Meager1 said:
Ok, will do. I have never eaten a lot of bacon or pork, but I`ll get some today.
And load up on the butter too. Thanks.

Think "pork" all the time instead of beef.

Eat calves liver if you can find some that is good and fresh.

Bacon and pork sausages every morning! Eggs drenched in butter.
 
Meager1 said:
I`m having a hard time finding fatty meat. We have been eating a lot of steak but that's high protein and not much fat. I wonder if using bacon fat on the steak would be ok.

Also, I find that I am really, really hunger again, every few hours eating mostly meat, which is very unusual for me.

I was used to eating only once or maybe twice a day..and so being hungry constantly like this doesn't just seem right.
Not only that, but the more I eat the more weight I lose!

I`m down 12 pounds in just a couple of weeks, so what am I doing wrong?

Maybe you are not eating enough? This isn't a "diet" where you starve yourself. When I feel hungry I eat more, and I may not lose weight quickly but I do not gain more.
 
No, I was eating until I was full.
But then a few hours later my stomach was screaming for more!

I have never eaten this much, ever.
I feel ok, good actually except for the hunger pangs.

I just got back with 3 pounds of bacon, pork chops and 4 pounds of butter.
I did get steak to, but I`ll cook it in bacon fat and put bacon on it, that should do it.
 
Meager1 said:
No, I was eating until I was full.
But then a few hours later my stomach was screaming for more!

I have never eaten this much, ever.
I feel ok, good actually except for the hunger pangs.

I just got back with 3 pounds of bacon, pork chops and 4 pounds of butter.
I did get steak to, but I`ll cook it in bacon fat and put bacon on it, that should do it.

Ground pork makes a good burger if you ask the butcher to add extra fat into the grind.
 
DugDeep
Go to a health food store and get a nice sea salt. Look for one that's grey so you know it still has mineral content. You could also go for some of that fancy himilayan pink salt, but it's often pricier.

Thank you DugDeep.
We've been using sea salt for years, but wondered about the iodized salt since it has iodine in it, and sea salt often does not. Didn't know the rest of the bad stuff about iodized salt. Read somewhere that Himalayan salt (pinkish) has iodine, and I think that was mentioned on the forum as well.

After re-starting magnesium, I'm back to the diarrhea. I will play with the amounts of mag, and hope to get the stools at the right consistency. Eating plenty of fat and fatty meat. Maybe we cut our carbs out too fast and could be having yams, carrots and green beans more often--every other day instead of 2 times a week.
 
SolarMother said:
After re-starting magnesium, I'm back to the diarrhea. I will play with the amounts of mag, and hope to get the stools at the right consistency. Eating plenty of fat and fatty meat. Maybe we cut our carbs out too fast and could be having yams, carrots and green beans more often--every other day instead of 2 times a week.

It seems to me you should keep your carb intake steady below 50-70 grams per day. Sounds like you are trying to average out during the week which could throw your body in and out of ketosis like a yo yo.
 
Meager1 said:
No, I was eating until I was full.
But then a few hours later my stomach was screaming for more!...
What was your eating pattern before? I think a lot of people would say they eat until they are full and then are hungry again a few hours later. At which time they eat again.
 

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