The Vegetarian Myth

[seek10]

The book finally arrived yesterday and have read 47 pages. She is a fabulous author and witty. While you are horrified by the information, there is a break once in a while to chuckle.

Always had the basic notion how bad agriculture was especially to the flora and fauna and the little critters, but reading it in print really puts it all into perspective. Biocide!

The Vegetarian Myth by Lierre Keith, page 34

We did it because we got addicted, because those annual grains offered up a happy chemical hit.

Add in hyperdimentional manipulation and walla! A world of numbed out food source.

She explained how perfect how ecological destruction ( though we know) from river basins wetland destruction to the farm land destruction thus contributing the overflowing rivers etc. I kept thinking how this type of perfect destruction is possible, how ever skillful the evil magician is ?. Magician must have fine tuned it by multiple variations. She way very ruthless and did great job exposing it. I laughed at her sarcasm(but true) when she wrote "I already got death threats before writing the book, no need to get more death threats any more ".

 

[mcb]

...She explained how perfect how ecological destruction ( though we know) from river basins wetland destruction to the farm land destruction thus contributing the overflowing rivers etc...

She described this year's weather, a year or two in advance. Oddly enough, I heard news reports attributing the Mississippi flooding to wetlands destruction just a week or two before I read the book.

 

[Gimpy]

You get dizzy, have headaches, depression, etc. You have to go low enough for ketosis to feed your brain what it wants. And, as we read in one article published on sott recently, ketones can reverse alzheimer's. If they can do that, no telling what they might do for a relatively healthy brain/body.

Wow, that describes what's going on with me almost to a 't. I'll have to look into what 'low' for me is...I have a suspicion its in the almost nil category. This week I've been craving meat exclusively, this may be why.

 

[Gaby]

I narrowed my searches to things like "casein abstract" in an attempt to find actual research reports rather that useless unreferenced blurbs from content farms and from sellers of supplements, but I still didn't come up with much that was useful -- there was SO much junk. I will search some more when I have time. Are there any particular topics or links here on the forum that I might have missed that make the case for casein being generally unhealthy for everybody? (I am not saying that it isn't or that it is; I am saying that I personally have not located much of anything so far that is based on research results, regarding the general case for healthy adults where faulty digestion is not an issue.)

Hi Megan,

You can have a look at greenmedinfo.com: http://www.greenmedinfo.com/toxic-ingredient/cow-milk I think you have to be a member in order to display all the articles, but I'm not sure. I'm logged in to their page, so I'm not sure what is available to the public or not. I think it is worth been a member though.

Sayer Ji usually keeps a tab on the most interesting abstracts. You can also comment on the fb page and perhaps other people will chime in with more references.

 

[SolarMother]

Perceval

I'm just realising this too. Drinking lots of water (more than usual anyway) on a high fat/meat diet is very helpful for the stomach problems that I've been experiencing, also starting to drink salted water, and my stomach seems to be grateful!

Do you have to wait half hour after eating to drink the water? I heard that drinking water during and right after a meal dilutes the stomach acid and any digestive enzymes you may be taking.

Increasing the amount of water I drink may help with my continued constipation. So far, after taking digestive enzymes, ox bile and iodide potassium, for about 5 days, the diarrhea stopped (not taking magnesium) but the constipation continues with just a little relief in the mornings with strain.
Is one supposed to have a bowel movement after each meal on the meat/fat diet, or is once a day enough--I read somewhere that there is less bowel movements re: eating meat. At any rate, I feel the heavy weight of constipation in my colon, and its really getting me down.

Maybe I need to give it 2 weeks total, now that I am taking enzymes, ox bile and potassium iodide-- and start drinking salt water along with drinking more water period.

 

[Ollie]

Perceval

I'm just realising this too. Drinking lots of water (more than usual anyway) on a high fat/meat diet is very helpful for the stomach problems that I've been experiencing, also starting to drink salted water, and my stomach seems to be grateful!

Do you have to wait half hour after eating to drink the water? I heard that drinking water during and right after a meal dilutes the stomach acid and any digestive enzymes you may be taking.

Increasing the amount of water I drink may help with my continued constipation. So far, after taking digestive enzymes, ox bile and iodide potassium, for about 5 days, the diarrhea stopped (not taking magnesium) but the constipation continues with just a little relief in the mornings with strain.
Is one supposed to have a bowel movement after each meal on the meat/fat diet, or is once a day enough--I read somewhere that there is less bowel movements re: eating meat. At any rate, I feel the heavy weight of constipation in my colon, and its really getting me down.

Maybe I need to give it 2 weeks total, now that I am taking enzymes, ox bile and potassium iodide-- and start drinking salt water along with drinking more water period.

The traditional advice is to drink water/fluid no less than half an hour before a meal and four hours afterwards. However, in Konstantin Monastyrsky's Fiber Menace, he suggests that we don't need to drink a lot of water, and, the eight glasses will do nothing to alleviate constipation. Overhydration causes the gradual loss of water through urine. Potassium deficiency is the principal reason (as in dry stools) for constipation, rather than shortage of water. A fascinating and informative book to read re the cause of many ailments, and all due to eating too much fibre. Recommended reading.

 

[SolarMother]

Trevrizent

Potassium deficiency is the principal reason (as in dry stools) for constipation, rather than shortage of water. A fascinating and informative book to read re the cause of many ailments, and all due to eating too much fibre. Recommended reading.

Thank you for that. A lot of conflicting info on the forum right now, as we all sort this out together.
Ok, so not that much water,which is what I just read to do on the forum.
What about salted water, and how much, as this is the latest addition/advice that is supposed to help achievement of ketosis.

Someone did advice potassium for dry stools, but it is hard to find. All i found was iodide potassium, so I would like to know if anyone knows if this is the right kind or what kind works the best?
And, finally I am wondering, is iodized salt bad for you (as we have been told for a long time that it is.)

I have been taking potassium iodide steadily for 5 days without any improvement on the constipation issue--yet.
Thanks in advance.

 

[RedFox]

Guardians points about wolves/dogs drinking lots of water right after a meal may be relevant.
I'm not a dog owner, but (at least with dry food) have noticed they always take a large drink of water after a meal.

If we are pretty much carnivores, then why not us too?

I've actually started to notice I usually have about half a cup of water half way through my meal (or I start to feel like I have lead in my stomach). This is with or without digestive enzymes - the water actually seems more important to my digestion than the enzymes.
I also finish my meal with another half cup of water.

The other way of looking at it I support would be to think of soup/broth. How much water is in in soup? More than a few cups worth, yet we digest it fine - if not more easily than most meals.

So I'm inclined to think all the advice of not drinking with meals is incorrect.

 

[SolarMother]

Redfox, I posted to Trevrizent's answer before I saw your post. It's rather confusing about the amount of water and when to drink it, but what you say about a half cup during and after makes sense. So does having soup or broth with the amount of water in this.
My last post asks also about what kind of potassium...iodide potassium is ok, and what is the skinny on iodized salt?

 

[Laura]

I drink when I'm thirsty. I drink until I no longer feel thirsty. Full stop.

 

[Mr.Anderson]

SolarMother

is iodized salt bad for you?

I searched for the answer here but could not find anything definitive.

 

[anart]

I drink when I'm thirsty. I drink until I no longer feel thirsty. Full stop.

Exactly.

Also, on the constipation issue, all you need is vitamin C and magnesium citrate - take it until you 'go' - and take it every day, consistently and you'll never, ever, have issues with constipation.

There seems to be a tendency to make things more complicated than they are. There's no reason for that - drink when you're thirsty and make sure you get vitamin C and magnesium citrate (or malate) every single day - if you're constipated, up the dosage.

 

[mcb]

You can have a look at greenmedinfo.com: http://www.greenmedinfo.com/toxic-ingredient/cow-milk I think you have to be a member in order to display all the articles, but I'm not sure. I'm logged in to their page, so I'm not sure what is available to the public or not. I think it is worth been a member though...

Thank you! That is what I had missed. I was already a member there and I didn't think to use it.

There is plenty to be concerned about in those reports regarding dairy. A couple of them talked about the effects of pasteurization. The conclusion seems to be that it makes the fat harder to digest. Perhaps that is why Mercola advises sticking with raw for people on the autistic spectrum. I am going to continue to just avoid it.

 

[mcb]

Guardians points about wolves/dogs drinking lots of water right after a meal may be relevant.
I'm not a dog owner, but (at least with dry food) have noticed they always take a large drink of water after a meal.

If we are pretty much carnivores, then why not us too?

They also "wolf" their food down, and from what I have read humans had best not do that. Our digestive tracks are similar to those of carnivores, but not the same.

Like Laura, though, these carnivores seem to drink when they are thirsty. I doubt that moderate amounts of liquid during a meal are going to hurt anything. Drinking large amounts because you think it is somehow going to help, not because you are thirsty, may not be a good idea.

Another potential problem with water during meals is "washing" the food down. This is what I used to do (narcissistic family/high-stress meals/eat it while you can), and that I avoid now. I believe, based on the evidence from my own eating, that if you chew your food thoroughly then there will not be much of anything left to wash down. If, at that point, you feel thirsty then have a swig.

 

[SolarMother]

Anart

Also, on the constipation issue, all you need is vitamin C and magnesium citrate - take it until you 'go' - and take it every day, consistently and you'll never, ever, have issues with constipation.

There seems to be a tendency to make things more complicated than they are. There's no reason for that - drink when you're thirsty and make sure you get vitamin C and magnesium citrate (or malate) every single day - if you're constipated, up the dosage.

OK, I'll ignore the advice I got a few days ago saying 'cut down or stop magnesium (citrate or malate) and take digestive enzymes, ox bile and potassium.'
I'll continue with the latter though, and re-add the former (mag.)
Vit C is a daily thing, so I'm doin' good there! ;)
To clarify, the magnesium either caused diarrhea or constipation, back and forth, once I started lowering the carbs down to 70, then 50g about 4 weeks ago or so.