The Vegetarian Myth

[Laura]

Excerpts from a new book that looks VERY promising for helping work out a lot of low-carb details and issues: http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,24078.msg271820.html#msg271820

 

[Guardian]

I learned about the "dilution problem" when I went vegan. Up until then I had often had water with meals. My two resident carnivores do like to have a good drink after a meal, so I guess they never got the word. One of them really gets into it, sticking her paw in the dish and splashing water around the room, and sitting there "singing" her drinking song. I think I might skip that part.

Oh well that's the best part.. I can blow bubble songs in my big "Bubba Keg" mug

Seriously though, my reaction to/need for water may be due to the fact that I've NEVER eaten green vegetables...only beans and potatoes, and very few of those compared to my meat consumption. I was what you might call a "willful child" and anyone who tried to force me to eat green vegetables wound up wearing them. The "vegetable war" went on for quite a few years, but I won it before I even started school. By the first grade, my parents would tell people "she will only eat meat and potatoes" and they were content if I'd just let them cook the meat first.

Fortunately I'm from the South, so cooking in fat was never an issue

 

[RedFox]

Excerpts from a new book that looks VERY promising for helping work out a lot of low-carb details and issues: http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,24078.msg271820.html#msg271820

Interesting looking book! Especially the 24g of carb limit.
Oddly enough this last week I've cut right back on carbs/veg and have been eating meat (about 800g)/fat (about 100g) and one sweet potato (about 20g of carbs) divided up into three meals for the day.
I just cook everything in a casserole dish with a bit of water (and maybe a few herbs/black pepper).

Having a really low (20g) or no carbs the last few days seems to have been really improving my sense of well being. I'm pretty sure that my body was constantly burning off excess energy (to its detriment) on the high carb diet....because when I tried to 'eat more' to gain weight I'd gain some and a few days later would end up with a lower weight than before and with more dull body pain and fatigue
The last few days have had me feeling extremely relaxed (at a core level)..... It seems that my body was in tension (perhaps the connective tissue) as a result of carbs?? Coupled with this I have noticed as the deep tissue body tension fades, my ability to feel emotions (and have emotional memories from the past come back) has increased a lot.
The third major difference is that my attitude seems to be relaxed too....before strong emotions would put me on edge/alert. Now they don't.

So it seems that (for me at least) this diet has been a major help in breaking through to my emotions/past traumas - and in my ability to handle processing them. Before I felt like I could only handle them in small bites slowly over a period of time, and now? Bring it on!

*edit* clarity

 

[Nienna]

A just fwiw here. For those who are still having the feeling of a stone in your stomach after eating, I'm a type A and the ox bile was not helping me and actually causing me bloating, gas and diarrhea. I stopped using it and switched to Betaine HCI and have had no digestion issues since.

I've also been really working on the sluggish liver issue, too, and feel that things are really going in a good direction there.

 

[EdgeofDawn]

A just fwiw here. For those who are still having the feeling of a stone in your stomach after eating, I'm a type A and the ox bile was not helping me and actually causing me bloating, gas and diarrhea. I stopped using it and switched to Betaine HCI and have had no digestion issues since.

I've also been really working on the sluggish liver issue, too, and feel that things are really going in a good direction there.

I'm a type A and I haven't had that problem. I've been taking Ox Bile and HCL at the same time.

 

[Ollie]

A just fwiw here. For those who are still having the feeling of a stone in your stomach after eating, I'm a type A and the ox bile was not helping me and actually causing me bloating, gas and diarrhea. I stopped using it and switched to Betaine HCI and have had no digestion issues since.

I've also been really working on the sluggish liver issue, too, and feel that things are really going in a good direction there.

I'm a type A and I haven't had that problem. I've been taking Ox Bile and HCL at the same time.

Ditto. :)

 

[mcb]

A just fwiw here. For those who are still having the feeling of a stone in your stomach after eating, I'm a type A and the ox bile was not helping me and actually causing me bloating, gas and diarrhea. I stopped using it and switched to Betaine HCI and have had no digestion issues since.

I've also been really working on the sluggish liver issue, too, and feel that things are really going in a good direction there.

That could explain my "cleanout" reaction earlier this week. If that problem continues I may try Betaine HCI instead, or whatever I can find locally. If I can keep taking the bile salts (acids) I would rather do that for a while because I am looking for signs that my digestion of fat might be improving. The supplement I have now says it is made from bovine/ovine bile. I hope that's OK; it was all I could find on short notice.

 

[Ollie]

... The supplement I have now says it is made from bovine/ovine bile. I hope that's OK; it was all I could find on short notice.

That's the one you want.

 

[Turgon]

I read something on the forum before - can't find it now, have searched - about water and digestion. In short, what was said was that the idea that you shouldn't drink with your meals is bogus, and that if you don't, the body will simply have to work hard to extract water from its fluids and pump it into the stomach to accomplish the same thing - the right fluidity in that digested. Drinking a moderate amount of water with a meal, then, simply saves the body some work and dehydration - or is an essential help if it can't do that work properly.

I've also been ignoring the "don't drink water" theory with meals. I don't think I could not drink water, I'm too thirsty and if I don't drink all I can think of is water, water, water.... so that for me is definitely a sign of needing water intake with meals.

Interesting. It's only recently that I've started not drinking water with meals after doing it all my life. Reading all the 'common knowledge' information about dilution of stomach acids caused me to stop. Although, funny enough, I slightly altered the wording on a g00gle search and came across this information. _http://www.fitness-wellness-guide.com/articles/water-role.html

Water & Healthy Eating

Let’s us consider the relationship of healthy eating and our body’s daily water intake. There is a direct relation between eating healthy and daily water intake. Consume enough water to absorb the vitamins and minerals from the healthy food we’ve eaten.

During the course of consuming our food, we drink water with our food. We don’t even stop to think about the role this water plays in our digestive process. We drink water because we become thirsty when we eat food.

Water & Stomach Acids

Acids in the stomach need the water in order to properly breakdown the food as it travels through our stomach, and the blood absorbs nutrients. The food continues down the path of the intestines, still being broken down and absorbed through the lining of the intestines, still requiring the existence of water.

Water is compulsory through out the process of digestion. Proper transmission of waste from our bodies, flushing of the body and filtering of the blood can only occur when there is enough fluids presence.

I'm wondering if one of the reasons my high fat breakfast makes me sluggish in the early afternoon's is because I'm not drinking enough water with my meals. I get thirsty right after, but deny myself because I don't want to dilute the stomach acids during breakdown. But from what I can see from reading posts, is if your thirsty, no matter if you are eating a meal, drink some water!

 

[mcb]

I remember now that the information I was given about not drinking water with meals came from Ellen White's writings (_http://text.egwwritings.org/publication.php?pubtype=Book&bookCode=CD&lang=en&pagenumber=420).

I know that if I drink a large amount of water prior to an electrolysis session and I do it soon after a meal, it doesn't feel right. It does seem to interfere with digestion. Whether that is due to "dilution" or something else, I don't know.

 

[Psalehesost]

I get thirsty right after, but deny myself because I don't want to dilute the stomach acids during breakdown. But from what I can see from reading posts, is if your thirsty, no matter if you are eating a meal, drink some water!

It's both funny and disquieting how easily a strange, unnatural behavior can result from a small, simple lie.

 

[Oxajil]

I think with the massive toxification going on these days, people's ability to recognize thirst decreases. Many times people also mistaken thirst for hunger. For me, detoxifying and making the right diet changes and following it consistently helped me in some way to get the feeling back of when to drink. I also learned to recognize the signs of early and late dehydration, so knowledge helped too.

What I do is drink some time before I have a meal. However sometimes I do drink after a meal, but then with Vitamin C. It seems that vitamin C "helps the gastrointestinal tract to rid itself of toxins produced during food digestion." (_http://www.ehow.com/how_2121483_improve-digestion-supplements.html#ixzz1QzUCdBWO). I never drink during a meal though.

But usually I don't feel the need to drink immediately after I've eaten. I actually feel better when I don't, and give it some time to digest, and then drink. (So I either drink like some time before I eat, or drink after some time of eating (but the waiting time is not hour(s) though... I kinda go by feeling)) Compared to how I would inconsiderably drink before, and now pay attention to my drinking, I feel like I gained a better idea of when to drink.

I also noticed my taste buds working much better. I can taste sweetness much better now and know when something is just enough. This is why I can't eat a whole banana anymore, cause it just tastes too sweet. Totally different than before. I also noticed that fruits and vegetables don't satisfy my system, usually they cause tiredness and/or pains, itchiness. The effect goes away after an hour or two, I'm not saying it's necessarily bad for me (as long as I have one or two a day). Just not true fuel...
(Though I do get rid of those fruits/vegetables that cause me serious pain or itchiness)

Usually when I wake up in the morning I feel very dehydrated and sometimes sense pain, especially in my gut. This makes sense, as Dr. Michael Eades writes: "a lot of water is lost through the breath at night." But a glass of water and some salt helps with that. Water is very very important, for every cell in our body, just as fat is. And just as man needs to get in a lot of fat every day, the same needs to be done with water. Water has a lot of functions in our bodies, from cleansing the liver, to protecting our joints. And much more. Atleast this is my current understanding.

There is also this interesting bit from Tips & tricks for starting (or restarting) low-carb Pt II :

The typical blood volume is about 5 liters, so drinking a liter of water would increase the blood volume temporarily by about 20 percent, which would mean the concentration of insulin and other molecules in the blood would fall by about 20 percent. A 20 percent drop in insulin levels would allow fat to escape the fat cells and would facilitate its transfer into the mitochondria for burning. At least that's my explanation for the lipolytic effect seen in numerous studies of subjects increasing water intake.

Those starting a low-carb diet are prone to dehydration because excess ketones are gotten rid of via the kidneys along with a lot of fluid. So, when you start your diet, consciously increase your fluid intake. Do like I do now and come up with some sort of regimen that ensures you consume plenty of water throughout the day. You'll feel better; you'll avoid cramping; and you'll actually burn a little more fat. And don't make the mistake I did and assume that drinking a lot of coffee, tea, booze or other diuretic fluid is a replacement for water intake.

Since I drink either bottled water or water that comes through our RO filter, both of which are depleted of minerals, I always remineralize my water by adding a pinch of Celtic Sea Salt or one of the other such salts to each bottle. I add enough so that the water just barely hints of a salty taste.

fwiw.

 

[Turgon]

I remember now that the information I was given about not drinking water with meals came from Ellen White's writings (_http://text.egwwritings.org/publication.php?pubtype=Book&bookCode=CD&lang=en&pagenumber=420).

I know that if I drink a large amount of water prior to an electrolysis session and I do it soon after a meal, it doesn't feel right. It does seem to interfere with digestion. Whether that is due to "dilution" or something else, I don't know.

Reading over it, one thing in particular stands out.

Many make a mistake in drinking cold water with their meals. Taken with meals, water diminishes the flow of the salivary glands; and the colder the water, the greater the injury to the stomach

All the water I have is kept at room temperature, and I'm thinking that's the ideal. I learned this while in Mexico, not to drink cold water. Every time I did, I would get a headache, probably because my body was overheating in the sun and then all of a sudden cold water hitting my system would cause a shock. Brain freeze, I believe. :D

What I do is drink some time before I have a meal.

Same. In fact, every morning when I get up I have a big glass of water. I need to because I always feel dehydrated in the morning, as well as before going to bed. The way I feel about it, is in the morning I should drink before and after a meal, because that's when I'm thirsty, but I don't need to as much during the afternoon or early evening. Only intermittently when I feel thirsty do I drink during those times. But always, in the evening before prepping for bed, do I get the need to drink a lot water and it doesnt seem to matter if I eat or not.

 

[Laura]

Just a little update: After several years of having no dairy at all, (except Ghee), and finding that I can now eat eggs (which means my leaky gut has healed significantly), I decided to give cream a try. It would be useful to have a more pleasant way to introduce more fat into the diet. Well, it was a very bad idea. Within a couple hours my entire digestive system reacted as if I had been poisoned. It felt like I was on fire all the way through. A couple more hours and I had the trots and it actually burned "in passing." Next morning, same thing. I did not have serious cramps, just one, giant, prolonged tightening of everything as though my digestive tract was trying to get away from this stuff. I did have a few burps and gas later on.

Today is the second day after this consumption of 5 teaspoons of Cornish clotted cream and I'm still feeling like my insides are raw.

 

[Cosmos]

Just a little update: After several years of having no dairy at all, (except Ghee), and finding that I can now eat eggs (which means my leaky gut has healed significantly), I decided to give cream a try. It would be useful to have a more pleasant way to introduce more fat into the diet. Well, it was a very bad idea. Within a couple hours my entire digestive system reacted as if I had been poisoned. It felt like I was on fire all the way through. A couple more hours and I had the trots and it actually burned "in passing." Next morning, same thing. I did not have serious cramps, just one, giant, prolonged tightening of everything as though my digestive tract was trying to get away from this stuff. I did have a few burps and gas later on.

Today is the second day after this consumption of 5 teaspoons of Cornish clotted cream and I'm still feeling like my insides are raw.

a sight note. I'm eating now only meat for quite awhile. a few days back I eaten a small amount of raw peas and my belly started immediately after eating it to grudge loud for a pretty long time I could even feel the movemend of my belly.

I also tried to eat cooked tomatoes and this resulted in this:

today I thought I allow me to cook something with tomatoes.

so I cooked Quinoa. I took hash, roested it and put tomatoes on top.I cooked it until all tomatoes were gone and a sauce had appeared.
so I took the Quinoa and put the meat sauce (tomatoe soße) on top. I ate it, it was really delicious.

but after few minutes I started to belch all the time, my stomach felt heavy and bloated.
then I started to feel really bad , my stomach started to hurt bad and it got worst from minute to minute.
so I lied down to tried to do EE, but my stomach didn't allowed it. then I tried to sleep but it didn't worked either.
so I decided to disgorge all that stuff out of my stomach. after I had done this I ate a faty piece of meat and now I feel I fine again.

so tomatoes are really nothing for me.
I've also noticed that Quinoa makes my stomach bloated.

so I guess this combination was very bad.