Trump era: Fascist dawn, or road to liberation?

[Voyageur]

Re: Re: Donald Trump wins 2016 US presidential election

What I find interesting is that the hate against islam and in general devaluing all islamic people as sub humans, seems to present across the spectrum on both sides, be it liberal or conservative, and also widely held in the Trump camp.

If one think worked incredibly good, then it is exactly this dehumanization of a whole population on earth (that is 1.7 billion people). It's incredible, and one can not help to think that there might be a successful zionist agenda behind it and also remember what the C's said about the end goal being to annihilate that part of humanity.

Here a little example on the views on islam and islamic people from one Trump supporter out of India:

_https://youtu.be/xn0vRKJOz8E?t=22m23s

Additionally, peeps here may have watched Linda Southern on Rebel News discuss with Jordan Peterson et al on the issue of neoliberilsim. Here is an interesting clip from yesterday in Washington by Linda who was there covering the event. She interviews two people (anti-Trump's) yet seems to have herself become caught up in the milieu of anti-islam speech, so I think you are correct, both camps have been inculcated with fear of islam - when did it start exactly, likely in earnest during historical times and post WWII, yet off the charts post 9/11.

https://youtu.be/3MYjY9yddy0

 

[lilies]

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So, the Cs said everything was leading to a re-run of Nazi Germany only on a global scale. One way that could happen would be for Trump and Putin to both be assassinated, lighting the fires of global war and revolution. [..]

Above would reflect the absolute lowest of our performance, if we consider ourselves light-bearers and believe that our internal state is always reflected in outer events by the Universe. If we fall, then they fall and its lights out on this planet.

Expecting the worst could be a powerful repellent.

I'm convinced and believe in the deepest of my soul that whenever we fight in social media or via projects aimed to better humanity, if we think with powerful conviction: we fight, because we want these two leaders succeed in the betterment of our world, then we are actively moving toward the best possible scenario. Exercising our free will of rejecting the worst and fighting for the best.

So that in the end our plans and Putin's and Trump's plans come as close together and to completion as possible. Keeping in mind the power of the opposition. If we do this, I think, then we are making real decisions and truly changing tracks along the timeline, then we are making steps toward and through branches that bring us to the closest place possible, where we can consider Mission Accomplished.

Dreams, fears, gut feelings and analyses about assassinations are good, I think, because they show us where we don't wanna go, what we want to avoid. Its best to automatically and categorically reject these possible worst futures in the totality of our soul [without doubt] and will ourselves to move toward better futures. Keeping the goal in mind always, when we fight.

 

[Ant22]

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I just can't help but worry that whatever Trump does will be twisted and misrepresented to the point that even his supporters will start doubting the real impact of his - still potential - accomplishments.

He surely does have some really difficult things to contend with, and the above is one of them.

I think the problem for many people will be that they are not aware that for Trump to have any real success in what he wants to do will require that he do things which seem contradictory to what he says he wants to do, such as "draining the swamp".

We know that he has many years of interaction with the highest level of powerful people over his business years. He is obviously aware of who the people are who actually wield the power, and for all intents and purposes, run the US Government. Certainly he is aware that the Israelis control most of Congress and if he wants to get at least some of his agenda passed he has to be on excellent terms with them. I think this is a part of his long-term strategy.

It might be that he is aware of how Putin transformed Russia. First, he used the power structure to help rearrange things to his advantage, and then, he dismantled the power brokers after they had been maneuvered into getting him what he wanted. From there, it was all downhill for the elites. As he was doing this and getting results the common people began to rally around him and we can see his popularity now as the people can now see how he has changed things to their benefit.

If you consider the above it is not so sureprising that he is surrounding himself with so many one-percenters. These are the people who know how things are really done, who have the connections and the insider knowledge that may elable Trump to actually accomplish something.

He will be fighting an immense uphill battle to try to change things as the entrenched power structure will be fighting with every tactic they can to keep themselves in positions of power and control. We don't know how much success he will actually have, but at least, we do not seem to be headed for a nuclear war.

Your explanation is really helpful so thanks for the post Richard S. I guess there are tons of aspects I'm not aware of and since "knowledge protects" at all levels, it also protects from worrying too much. All we can do really do is enjoy the show and spread the truth to those who ask for it.

 

[mkrnhr]

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So, the Cs said everything was leading to a re-run of Nazi Germany only on a global scale. One way that could happen would be for Trump and Putin to both be assassinated, lighting the fires of global war and revolution. [..]

Above would reflect the absolute lowest of our performance, if we consider ourselves light-bearers and believe that our internal state is always reflected in outer events by the Universe. If we fall, then they fall and its lights out on this planet.

Expecting the worst could be a powerful repellent.

It all depends on what the Universe wants. We prepare for the worst, hope for the best, and do our best to play our parts in the great symphony of the all. Those who choose to align with non-being are entitled to their choice. What matter is what we align ourselves with, individually and collectively. OSIT


Edit: This is to cheer up a little in the middle of all the madness we witness:
_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYCx_7J1MDk

 

[Turgon]

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What I find interesting is that the hate against islam and in general devaluing all islamic people as sub humans, seems to present across the spectrum on both sides, be it liberal or conservative, and also widely held in the Trump camp.

If one think worked incredibly good, then it is exactly this dehumanization of a whole population on earth (that is 1.7 billion people). It's incredible, and one can not help to think that there might be a successful zionist agenda behind it and also remember what the C's said about the end goal being to annihilate that part of humanity.

Here a little example on the views on islam and islamic people from one Trump supporter out of India:

_https://youtu.be/xn0vRKJOz8E?t=22m23s

Additionally, peeps here may have watched Linda Southern on Rebel News discuss with Jordan Peterson et al on the issue of neoliberilsim. Here is an interesting clip from yesterday in Washington by Linda who was there covering the event. She interviews two people (anti-Trump's) yet seems to have herself become caught up in the milieu of anti-islam speech, so I think you are correct, both camps have been inculcated with fear of islam - when did it start exactly, likely in earnest during historical times and post WWII, yet off the charts post 9/11.

https://youtu.be/3MYjY9yddy0

Thanks for sharing both those videos. I'm kind of speechless about Lauren Southern. I've seen a lot of her segments covering the Gender/Jordan Peterson debates and also her coverage of BLM Canada, etc. and she always seemed on the ball in that regards. But to hear her go on that almost all Muslims are "X, Y and Z" is disheartening. I think we are in perilous times where it's very easy to fall down that slippery slope of pointing the finger at the "other" and this is what we are seeing today. Separation between East and West, Islam vs the West, left vs right, men vs women - meanwhile there is an attempt at blurring the lines between gender and sexuality, so it's very confusing and chaotic. It's like these major divides have opened up between people when we should be coming together and working past our differences. For one, observing my own psychology throughout all of this, is that when you are grouped into an opposing camp, even if you weren't initially part of that camp, people have the tendency of entrenching themselves in that opposing/opposite stance, almost as a reaction to the extreme nature of the other persons viewpoints or accusations. So I think it's a matter of necessity and survival to keep our heads on straight, don't give into these manufactured dichotomies and see things for what they are, osit.

 

[Yas]

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Edit: This is to cheer up a little in the middle of all the madness we witness:
_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYCx_7J1MDk

Thanks for that mkrnhr!

Geez! I don't know where to start, but honestly, there isn't much I can add to what you all have said. What I can say for sure is that this is all indeed very interesting and I never imagined I would witness such things.

I've been going to twitter a bit more lately and I start to see what kind of craziness is going on over there. Gosh! I was really shocked to see some of the comments in that video by Paul Joseph Watson... Do people really think all these things that they say?

And then...

What I find interesting is that the hate against islam and in general devaluing all islamic people as sub humans, seems to present across the spectrum on both sides, be it liberal or conservative, and also widely held in the Trump camp.

If one think worked incredibly good, then it is exactly this dehumanization of a whole population on earth (that is 1.7 billion people). It's incredible, and one can not help to think that there might be a successful zionist agenda behind it and also remember what the C's said about the end goal being to annihilate that part of humanity.

Here a little example on the views on islam and islamic people from one Trump supporter out of India:

_https://youtu.be/xn0vRKJOz8E?t=22m23s

Additionally, peeps here may have watched Linda Southern on Rebel News discuss with Jordan Peterson et al on the issue of neoliberilsim. Here is an interesting clip from yesterday in Washington by Linda who was there covering the event. She interviews two people (anti-Trump's) yet seems to have herself become caught up in the milieu of anti-islam speech, so I think you are correct, both camps have been inculcated with fear of islam - when did it start exactly, likely in earnest during historical times and post WWII, yet off the charts post 9/11.

_https://youtu.be/3MYjY9yddy0

It was discouraging to see Linda Southern being so closed with this guys. But then, that's what happens when people embrace an ideology, OSIT, it seems that reasonable people who can think get stuck in one side or the other and then they start picking a side on every subject. Linda talks about facts, but what facts is she selecting? And this is very important, I think, how ideology makes us select the "facts" that are useful to our ideology and discard other facts that aren't.

I think that this also brings up the importance of networking because we can't possibly have ALL the facts, and we can be misguided sometimes, but being together, networking, sharing our views (here, a place where people are really trying to be objective and truly value the truth), can help us navigate in such a time of lies. I almost literally see it as a light in the middle of the darkness. It's truth in the middle of SO MANY lies and confusion.

I have many leftist friends who are supporting the women's march now and it strikes me that they, who are normally reasonable people, can't really see the nonsense of this march. I mean, when did Trump say he would limit women's rights? I really don't remember him saying anything like that, so why are these people protesting again? Is it really a women's march or is it just an anti-Trump march? Because if they are protesting for women's rights, why are they protesting now and not before when their government was funded by and funding people who REALLY disregard women? Can't people ask this very simple questions before they support such a massive movement? And, by the way, how did all these people get the funds for such a massive high-class protest with women from Hollywood and the big music industry? Doesn't it sound just a bit strange?

Well, my questions can continue... my wonder is just how people are not asking questions and are just running to one side or the other in some sort of emotional group-thinking that makes them ignore what doesn't fit their ideology. And it also makes me remember how I can fall into self-deception as well so it's really important to stay vigilant, observe and question my own thinking and, most important, network!

 

[Mark]

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Whitehouse Press Conference 21 January 2017. There's about an hour of nothing but empty air time of the press waiting in this video, skip a head to 1:10:30. That's where it starts and the hammer comes down hard! That is probably the best briefing I've ever seen.

https://youtu.be/LHcpyEXd9R8

 

[kalibex]

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I literally just saw someone (not an American, someone from the UK, but still...) on Facebook, basically saying, 'I'll just say what everyone's thinking - would somebody just kill _____' I reported it as hate speech. Poor FBI will be quite busy, following up all these threats popping up everywhere... First (and probably last) time I'll ever go to the trouble of ratting on someone on FB. But I was that shocked... nothing in response from her echo-chamber friends list but thumb-ups and ha-has.

I just...I just don't recall seeing this level of sneering, jeering, mindless hate before. Why do I also get that creepy impression that everyone doing this...is actually unconsciously (of course) parroting certain someone(s) else...who are still quite pissed off at what happened...

 

[Ant22]

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Whitehouse Press Conference 21 January 2017. There's about an hour of nothing but empty air time of the press waiting in this video, skip a head to 1:10:30. That's where it starts and the hammer comes down hard! That is probably the best briefing I've ever seen.

https://youtu.be/LHcpyEXd9R8

Wow, that's a really powerful speech!! I was wondering if someone knows how to "cut" youtube videos? I think it would be really useful to have an excerpt that starts from 1:10:30 to share it on social media.

 

[Mark]

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Wow, that's a really powerful speech!! I was wondering if someone knows how to "cut" youtube videos? I think it would be really useful to have an excerpt that starts from 1:10:30 to share it on social media.

Probably not necessary, these usually show up on the net trimmed down within a few hours. The briefing only ended several minutes ago. I watched it live on TV while grinning ear to ear and went to find the stream, this is all I could find so far.

 

[Ant22]

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Wow, that's a really powerful speech!! I was wondering if someone knows how to "cut" youtube videos? I think it would be really useful to have an excerpt that starts from 1:10:30 to share it on social media.

Probably not necessary, these usually show up on the net trimmed down within a few hours. The briefing only ended several minutes ago. I watched it live on TV while grinning ear to ear and went to find the stream, this is all I could find so far.

Good point m. I'll look out for a trimmed down version. And I can totally relate to your grinning ear to ear!!

 

[Niall]

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My wife and I watched the inauguration live on RT - one thing we noticed was that Trump's speech was really totally left-wing!

Same here! I thought: "At last, the US has a socialist president!"

Whitehouse Press Conference 21 January 2017. There's about an hour of nothing but empty air time of the press waiting in this video, skip a head to 1:10:30. That's where it starts and the hammer comes down hard! That is probably the best briefing I've ever seen.

Indeed! As mentioned by Spicer, Trump's first port of call on Day 1? Langley, Virginia :O

https://www.facebook.com/RTnews/videos/10155142410649411/

Have a listen to the above; he basically had a chat today with the CIA rank-and-file, then left the place to thunderous applause.

He's very smart, that Trump.

 

[Mark]

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My wife and I watched the inauguration live on RT - one thing we noticed was that Trump's speech was really totally left-wing!

Same here! I thought: "At last, the US has a socialist president!"

Trump's first port of call on Day 1? Langley, Virginia :O

https://www.facebook.com/RTnews/videos/10155142410649411/

Have a listen to the above; he basically had a chat today with the CIA rank-and-file, then left the place to applause.

He's very smart, that Trump.

Yeah. I took that to possibly be symbolic on his part given how the media has been infiltrated.

 

[Seamus]

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Whitehouse Press Conference 21 January 2017. There's about an hour of nothing but empty air time of the press waiting in this video, skip a head to 1:10:30. That's where it starts and the hammer comes down hard! That is probably the best briefing I've ever seen.

That was great, thanks for posting!

 

[Niall]

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Yeah. I took that to possibly be symbolic on his part given how the media has been infiltrated.

More than that, just as he bypasses the media, he's cutting out the 'eminences grises' - the intel chiefs and whichever Wall Street operators usually pull strings - by talking straight to 'their staff'.