Turkey shot down Russian bomber over Syria

[Keyhole]

Re: Turkey shot down Russian fighter jet over Syria

Putin can also send in ground troops to work hand in hand with Syrian troops. Also, it was unlikely that Russia could carry out a major military campaign and not expect to lose lives and equipment. In the grand scheme of things, 1 jet, 1 helicopter and a handful of lives maybe isn't that bad given that war results in lose.

I always thought though that jets fly in packs and that a helicopter wouldn't fly so low deep in enemy territory unprotected. Plus, why didn't the Russian pilots not eject from the jet?

Have you watched any of the videos?? The pilots did eject, but supposedly they were captured and killed by turkey backed rebels.

Apparently these groups are asking the Russians to release terrorist prisoners in exchange for the dead bodies of the pilots.

As the two Russian pilots descended by parachute after the Su-24 jet was downed, both were shot dead by Turkmen forces, Reuters reports citing a deputy commander of a Turkmen brigade in Syria.

"Both of the pilots were dead on retrieval. Our comrades opened fire into the air and they died in the air," Alpaslan Celik, a deputy commander of a Syrian Turkmen brigade said.

He was speaking near the Syrian village of Yamadi, according to Reuters. Celik held what he said was a piece of a pilot's parachute.

However, reports have emerged the two pilots may be still alive. Ankara is working to secure their release from Syrian rebels, a Turkish government official told Reuters.

"Our units, who received the information that the two pilots were alive, are working to get them from opposition rebels safely," the official said.

The Russian General Staff said that, according to preliminary data, one of the Su-24 pilots has died after being fired at from the ground.

The search and rescue operation for the second pilot of the downed Russian aircraft is underway in Syria, it added.

A graphic video posted earlier on social media purported to show a Russian pilot lying on the ground surrounded by a group of men praising Allah.

The men reportedly regretted they hadn’t burned him on the spot.

The video was sent by a rebel group operating in the northwestern area of Syria, where groups including the Free Syrian Army are active but Islamic State has no known presence.

Jahed Ahmad, a representative of the 10th Brigade in the Coast, the rebel group that attacked the pilots, told AP that at least one of the Russian pilots was dead upon landing.

An additional protocol to the Geneva Convention strictly bans attacks on persons parachuting from an aircraft in distress.

According to the protocol, if the person in distress is not acting in a hostile manner, he is to be given the chance to surrender after reaching the ground.

A Russian Su-24 bomber was shot down by Turkish fighter jets near the Turkish-Syrian border on Tuesday.

Turkey said it was rightfully acting to defend its sovereignty as the warplane had violated its airspace and hadn’t responded to warnings.

Moscow has denied Turkey’s claims, saying its plane was downed in Syrian airspace, where Russia is conducting an air operation against Islamic State and other terrorists.

Vladimir Putin called Ankara’s actions “a stab in the back delivered by accomplices of the terrorists,” adding that it will have severe consequences for relations between Russia and Turkey.

Link: _https://www.rt.com/news/323337-france-hostage-wounds-roubaix/

 

[sbeaudry]

Re: Turkey shot down Russian fighter jet over Syria

Best thing everybody can do is get out on FB and Twitter and post and repost our stuff, each other's stuff, comments, outrage, etc.

Yep. Never liked it. It just seemed to have a (Personal information exploitation), monitoring capacity that favored the PTB.

Yes, I hear you. However, I am so outraged I don't care if the PTB wants to track me. If we don't unite and say something while we have the chance it may soon be too late. Express yourself!

 

[luke wilson]

Re: Turkey shot down Russian fighter jet over Syria

Putin can also send in ground troops to work hand in hand with Syrian troops. Also, it was unlikely that Russia could carry out a major military campaign and not expect to lose lives and equipment. In the grand scheme of things, 1 jet, 1 helicopter and a handful of lives maybe isn't that bad given that war results in lose.

I always thought though that jets fly in packs and that a helicopter wouldn't fly so low deep in enemy territory unprotected. Plus, why didn't the Russian pilots not eject from the jet?

Have you watched any of the videos?? The pilots did eject, but supposedly they were captured and killed by turkey backed rebels.

Apparently these groups are asking the Russians to release terrorist prisoners in exchange for the dead bodies of the pilots.

As the two Russian pilots descended by parachute after the Su-24 jet was downed, both were shot dead by Turkmen forces, Reuters reports citing a deputy commander of a Turkmen brigade in Syria.

"Both of the pilots were dead on retrieval. Our comrades opened fire into the air and they died in the air," Alpaslan Celik, a deputy commander of a Syrian Turkmen brigade said.

He was speaking near the Syrian village of Yamadi, according to Reuters. Celik held what he said was a piece of a pilot's parachute.

However, reports have emerged the two pilots may be still alive. Ankara is working to secure their release from Syrian rebels, a Turkish government official told Reuters.

"Our units, who received the information that the two pilots were alive, are working to get them from opposition rebels safely," the official said.

The Russian General Staff said that, according to preliminary data, one of the Su-24 pilots has died after being fired at from the ground.

The search and rescue operation for the second pilot of the downed Russian aircraft is underway in Syria, it added.

A graphic video posted earlier on social media purported to show a Russian pilot lying on the ground surrounded by a group of men praising Allah.

The men reportedly regretted they hadn’t burned him on the spot.

The video was sent by a rebel group operating in the northwestern area of Syria, where groups including the Free Syrian Army are active but Islamic State has no known presence.

Jahed Ahmad, a representative of the 10th Brigade in the Coast, the rebel group that attacked the pilots, told AP that at least one of the Russian pilots was dead upon landing.

An additional protocol to the Geneva Convention strictly bans attacks on persons parachuting from an aircraft in distress.

According to the protocol, if the person in distress is not acting in a hostile manner, he is to be given the chance to surrender after reaching the ground.

A Russian Su-24 bomber was shot down by Turkish fighter jets near the Turkish-Syrian border on Tuesday.

Turkey said it was rightfully acting to defend its sovereignty as the warplane had violated its airspace and hadn’t responded to warnings.

Moscow has denied Turkey’s claims, saying its plane was downed in Syrian airspace, where Russia is conducting an air operation against Islamic State and other terrorists.

Vladimir Putin called Ankara’s actions “a stab in the back delivered by accomplices of the terrorists,” adding that it will have severe consequences for relations between Russia and Turkey.

Link: _https://www.rt.com/news/323337-france-hostage-wounds-roubaix/

I haven't watched any clips. On phone & was at work! :)

 

[Solie123]

Re: Turkey shot down Russian fighter jet over Syria

Russia soldier dies in downed jet rescue operations
_http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2015/11/24/439009/Russia-Syria-Turkey-fighter-jet

A Russian Mi-8 helicopter came under attack while conducting a search and rescue operation, searching for the crew of the downed Su-24 in Syria. One naval infantry soldier was reported killed, the helicopter destroyed by mortar fire.

"A search and rescue operation involving two Mi-8 helicopters was carried out, charged with evacuating the pilots from the landing site. During the operation, as a result of small-arms fire, one of the helicopters was damaged, and forced to make a landing on neutral territory. One naval infantry soldier was killed," Lieutenant-General Sergei Rudskoi, the head of the Main Operations Directorate of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces, told reporters on Tuesday.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/world/20151124/1030686711/su24-rescue-syria-russia.html#ixzz3sRIzaoVq


Very sad...

 

[Richs]

Re: Turkey shot down Russian fighter jet over Syria

Best thing everybody can do is get out on FB and Twitter and post and repost our stuff, each other's stuff, comments, outrage, etc.

Yep. Never liked it. It just seemed to have a (Personal information exploitation), monitoring capacity that favored the PTB.

Yes, I hear you. However, I am so outraged I don't care if the PTB wants to track me. If we don't unite and say something while we have the chance it may soon be too late. Express yourself!

Yes, I do share lots of articles on Facebook myself and so do many others of us. How else are any people going to find out what is true considering the lying garbage the mainstream media emits on a continual basis?

I am sure that "who you are and what you see" is very important, but it could also be of similar importance that as a result of who you are and what you see, what you DO as a result of this might also matter a lot.

 

[aragorn]

Re: Turkey shot down Russian fighter jet over Syria

I don't know how much of this might be true, but Thierry Meyssan posted just yesterday something interesting that might be related to all this. The 'third Syrian war' Meyssan talks about sounds a bit far fetched; I'm not convinced that the psychopaths in power have any elaborate plans at all...they're just doing whatever comes to their mind.

_http://www.voltairenet.org/article189385.html

The G20 summit in Antalya (Turkey) certainly concentrated on economic questions, but above all, on the situation in the Near East. Numerous bilateral negotiations took place, but we know nothing about the subjects discussed and the agreements reached.

However, Russian President Vladimir Putin denounced – without naming them – the states present at the summit who were actively sponsoring Daesh. He showed his colleagues satellite photographs of convoys of tanker-trucks crossing Turkey to sell the petrol stolen by the terrorist organisation in Iraq and Syria [1]. Publicly implicated for his violations of Security Council resolutions in the financing of Daesh, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan was visibly affected. According to the Turkish Socialist party, Bilal Erdoğan (the President’s son) was directly managing this traffic [2].

Presidents Putin and Obama concluded an agreement to destroy the Erdoğan family’s tankers, thereby putting an end to the petrol trafficking. On the same day, and for the first time in eighteen months, the US Central Command bombed the tanker-trucks in Iraq, while the Russian army destroyed a massive number in Syria [3].

Russia and the United States obliged France to join in this operation. Pretending to react to the Paris attacks, French Persident Hollande shamelessly announced that he had given his armies the order to bomb Daesh objectives in Syria, while President Putin gave public instructions to the Russian armies to coordinate with France and to act « as if » it was an ally [4]. The French President will be meeting with his US and Russian counter-parts in the near future.

It would seem that effective dispositions have been taken to isolate the 24 banking establishments used by Daesh from Iraq to transfer money - dispositions that the Under-Secretary of State David S. Cohen has been trying in vain to impose for months [5].

Noting that they will now have to remove Daesh from Syria, the group of states, multinationals and US personalities who are organising the war have therefore decided to launch a third.

The third Syrian war (since the 20th November 2015) was initiated by certain members of the the same group, this time with the aim of creating a new state to the North of Syria and Iraq, in order to apply a stranglehold on the Arab states who are resisting Israël [6].

Having realised that it will no longer be possible for them to act against Syria, the organisers of the war agreed to reboot and continue the programme which had already led to the creation of South Sudan in 2012. This project corresponds to the plan by Alain Juppé (March 2011) and that developed by Robin Wright (September 2013), which anticipated that after having supported Daesh in order to create a « Sunnistan », it would be neccessary to create a « Kurdistan »

 

[canavare]

Re: Turkey shot down Russian fighter jet over Syria

History is repeating:

The Ottoman Empire officially entered the First World War as the consequence of a major naval operation, namely Yavuz and Midilli’s raid on Russian Black Sea ports in late October 1914. ......

_http://www.turkeyswar.com/navy/navalops.html

 

[angelburst29]

Re: Turkey shot down Russian fighter jet over Syria

I don't know how much of this might be true, but Thierry Meyssan posted just yesterday something interesting that might be related to all this. The 'third Syrian war' Meyssan talks about sounds a bit far fetched; I'm not convinced that the psychopaths in power have any elaborate plans at all...they're just doing whatever comes to their mind.

_http://www.voltairenet.org/article189385.html

The G20 summit in Antalya (Turkey) certainly concentrated on economic questions, but above all, on the situation in the Near East. Numerous bilateral negotiations took place, but we know nothing about the subjects discussed and the agreements reached.

However, Russian President Vladimir Putin denounced – without naming them – the states present at the summit who were actively sponsoring Daesh. He showed his colleagues satellite photographs of convoys of tanker-trucks crossing Turkey to sell the petrol stolen by the terrorist organisation in Iraq and Syria [1]. Publicly implicated for his violations of Security Council resolutions in the financing of Daesh, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan was visibly affected. According to the Turkish Socialist party, Bilal Erdoğan (the President’s son) was directly managing this traffic [2].

Erdogan stupidity will also expose British and Kurdish energy companies involvement in the stolen oil.

Putin Throws Down The Gauntlet To Turkey’s Erdogan Over Downed Russian Jet
http://21stcenturywire.com/2015/11/24/putin-throws-down-the-gauntlet-to-turkeys-erdogan/

Today’s incident exposes Turkey’s own willful violation and ignorance towards the multilateral ‘deconfliction’ contact center that was set-up precisely to avoid the very situation which happened today. It will be difficult for Turkey to explain away its actions, and its aggressive act will certainly open the door to more scrutiny into Turkey’s pivotal role in facilitating extremist terrorist fighters, including al Qaeda and ISIS, within its borders since as early as 2011, and also Turkey’s involvement in ISIS’s now famous $1.5 million illicit oil trade which runs in and out of Turkey’s heavily surveilled border with Syria. Any serious investigation into this illegal trade will also bring Britain into the ISIS-oil frame too, as evidenced by this latest report commissioned by Middle East Eye, which details British involvement in the illegal ISIS oil trade.

Britain’s secret ties to governments, firms behind ISIS oil sales
https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/britain-s-secret-ties-to-governments-firms-facilitating-isis-oil-sales-210d21470e65#.dx4eq97hh

Key allies in the US and UK led war on Islamic State (ISIS) are covertly financing the terrorist movement according to senior political sources in the region. US and British oil companies are heavily invested in the murky geopolitical triangle sustaining ISIS’ black market oil sales.

The Kurdish Regional Government (KRG) in Iraq and Turkish military intelligence have both supported secret ISIS oil smuggling operations and even supplied arms to the terror group, according to Kurdish, Iraqi and Turkish officials.

One British oil company in particular, Genel Energy, is contracted by the KRG to supply oil for a major Kurdish firm accused of facilitating ISIS oil sales to Turkey. The Kurdish firm has close ties to the Iraqi Kurdish government.

Genel operates in the KRG with the backing of the British government, and is also linked to a British parliamentary group with longstanding connections to both the British and KRG oil industries.

The relationship between British and Kurdish energy companies, and senior British politicians, raises questions about conflicts of interest — especially in the context of a ‘war on terror’ that is supposed to be targeting, not financing, the ‘Islamic State.’

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[latulipenoire]

Re: Turkey shot down Russian fighter jet over Syria

Outraging news, just read some articles on SOTT and this thread, the brazilian news are just translations, as always, of the lies from the PTB, and nobody seems to get the significance of this tragic event. Like Laura and others said, I will try to share an objective view on FB and tell everybody I know to not get distracted with such distortions as we see in the mainstream media. Let's do our part and hope for Putin kicking the Achilles' heel of NATO and the Empire.

 

[Alada]

Re: Turkey shot down Russian fighter jet over Syria

Best thing everybody can do is get out on FB and Twitter and post and repost our stuff, each other's stuff, comments, outrage, etc.

Yep. Never liked it. It just seemed to have a (Personal information exploitation), monitoring capacity that favored the PTB.

I think it's way late in the day to be worrying about that, the PTB have had full access to everything for a looong time now. If what we share can make a difference (and from what the Cs have said that seems to be so), then I’d rather shake off those kind of fears and set to it It’s a non-linear world!

 

[sbeaudry]

Re: Turkey shot down Russian fighter jet over Syria

Best thing everybody can do is get out on FB and Twitter and post and repost our stuff, each other's stuff, comments, outrage, etc.

Yep. Never liked it. It just seemed to have a (Personal information exploitation), monitoring capacity that favored the PTB.

I think it's way late in the day to be worrying about that, the PTB have had full access to everything for a looong time now. If what we share can make a difference (and from what the Cs have said that seems to be so), then I’d rather shake off those kind of fears and set to it It’s a non-linear world!

Can we get a thumbs up / 'like' emoticon? If so, insert here please.

 

[Approaching Infinity]

Re: Turkey shot down Russian fighter jet over Syria

I'm wondering if the Turks are lying about the jet's flight path, or if they are claiming their 'borders' encompass land that is actually Syria. Can someone overlay the two images in this article to see (i.e. the Turkish-provided map and the Russian one shown in the YT vid)?

http://fortruss.blogspot.fr/2015/11/who-violated-whos-airspace-you-decide.html

The coastlines look different in each one, so they may not be using the same mapping methods, but maybe something can be gleaned.

 

[Seaniebawn]

Re: Turkey shot down Russian fighter jet over Syria

Putin can also send in ground troops to work hand in hand with Syrian troops. Also, it was unlikely that Russia could carry out a major military campaign and not expect to lose lives and equipment. In the grand scheme of things, 1 jet, 1 helicopter and a handful of lives maybe isn't that bad given that war results in lose.

I always thought though that jets fly in packs and that a helicopter wouldn't fly so low deep in enemy territory unprotected. Plus, why didn't the Russian pilots not eject from the jet?

They did: https://www.rt.com/news/323281-russian-pilots-killed-turkmen/

Here is Russia's response:

Russia deploys missile cruiser off Syria coast, ordered to destroy any target posing danger

Moscow plans to suspend military cooperation with Ankara after the downing of a Russian bomber by Turkish air forces, Russian General Staff representatives said on Tuesday. Further measures to beef up Russian air base security in Syria will also be taken.
Three steps as announced by top brass:

1. Each and every strike groups’ operation is to be carried out under the guise of fighter jets
2. Air defense to be boosted with the deployment of Moskva guided missile cruiser off Latakia coast with an aim to destroy any target that may pose danger
3. Military contacts with Turkey to be suspended

Source: https://www.rt.com/news/323329-russia-suspend-military-turkey/

It may work in Russia's favor, seal of the sea and close the border that turkey is trying to setup as their safe zone effectively cutting of ISIS, Edrogan may have played his hand to quick.

 

[RedFox]

Re: Turkey shot down Russian fighter jet over Syria

I'm wondering if the Turks are lying about the jet's flight path, or if they are claiming their 'borders' encompass land that is actually Syria. Can someone overlay the two images in this article to see (i.e. the Turkish-provided map and the Russian one shown in the YT vid)?

http://fortruss.blogspot.fr/2015/11/who-violated-whos-airspace-you-decide.html

The coastlines look different in each one, so they may not be using the same mapping methods, but maybe something can be gleaned.

I grabbed the images, scaled them until the coast line matched and then overlayed them.

*edit* given the difference between the radar data/borders, I don't know how accurate it is.....but the coastlines match

 

[luke wilson]

Re: Turkey shot down Russian fighter jet over Syria

Just caught up on SOTT. Those video clips look really grim. The pilots being shot at whilst floating down, completely defenceless. The look of a lifeless body is just so sad. So sad!

For sure, Turkey helped out the terrorists big time with this one. Absolutely staggering that a Turkish fighter jet would shoot down a Russian fighter jet. The risks being taken are beyond astronomical. This is truly crazy from Turkey. Another showdown with a Turkish Jet and chances are the Russian Jet will take down the Turkish jet... God only knows what happens from there...