Turkey shot down Russian bomber over Syria

[Windmill knight]

Re: Turkey shot down Russian fighter jet over Syria

Best thing everybody can do is get out on FB and Twitter and post and repost our stuff, each other's stuff, comments, outrage, etc.

Yep. Never liked it. It just seemed to have a (Personal information exploitation), monitoring capacity that favored the PTB.

I think it's way late in the day to be worrying about that, the PTB have had full access to everything for a looong time now. If what we share can make a difference (and from what the Cs have said that seems to be so), then I’d rather shake off those kind of fears and set to it It’s a non-linear world!

Here's one such reference from the Cs:

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,35908.0.html

(Carlisle) [barely audible] Who was behind the recent hacking of Sott.net?

A: Elements of special cyberwarfare Homeland Security.

Q: (L) Did that make any sense? Hmm. Alright, next?

(Carlisle) Why did they choose to do it now?

A: Your recent activation of truth brigade.

The "truth brigade" being the joint efforts of forum members to spread real news on the web and social media. If that made enough waves to attract the attention of DHS, then it's obviously working!

And another:

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,39785.0.html

Q: (L) Well we had a funny talk the other day where we speculated that we moved into a different timeline. In previous years, we were in a timeline where there was not or could not be a Putin - or at least a Putin as he is in this one. Then, somehow some way, we moved ourselves into a different timeline. Well, I know it's a little egotistical to say that our efforts to send a signal could have shifted us into this other timeline and in effect helped with the manifesting of the changes of today... Is it a possibility that we helped even in a small way?

A: More than you have given yourselves credit for!

Remember butterfly wings and all that. We are all on the same boat on this planet, so what have we got to lose?

 

[angelburst29]

Re: Turkey shot down Russian fighter jet over Syria

Tass News Agency is reporting that Putin stated, "I told Americans to muzzle their rabid dog in Turkey?" Any other reports on this statement?

President Putin: By Shooting Down Our Fighter Jet Turkey Practically Declared War on Russia, Turkish Dictator Erdoğan Is an Accomplice in ISIS Crimes
http://www.awdnews.com/top-news/president-putin-by-shooting-down-our-fighter-jet-turkey-practically-declared-war-on-russia,-turkish-dictator-erdo%C4%9Fan-is-an-accomplice-in-isis-crimes

According to Moscow Times, the Russian President Vladimir Putin held an emergency cabinet meeting in Kremlin to evaluate the implications of the downing of a Russian Su-24 fighter jet near the Syrian-Turkish border area.

“…Today they practically declared war on us by shooting down our fighter jet. Our patience wears thin with Erdoğan and his criminal clique who is accomplice in all atrocities committed by ISIS terrorist. To avoid a bitter war which nobody craves, for several times, I told Americans to muzzle their rabid dog in Turkey,” Russian News Agency TASS cited the Russian President as saying.

“I was informed that Turks have shot down a Russian aircraft on the border with Syria and reportedly the navigator has been killed; my deepest condolences to his family and the Great Russian nation,” said Mr. Putin vowing that the ‘revenge’ is what the Turkish dictator will receive in return.

We are indeed on the verge of an all-out war with the godfather of all terrorists in one of the extremely volatile areas in the world, added Mr. Putin, we worked diligently to solve the Syrian crisis through diplomatic means, but much to the international community’s chagrin, the Turkish AK Parti-led regime under Erdoğan seeks to ignite the fires of war.


At Least Two Turks Injured by Debris of Russian Jet Downed in Syria, Pilots not found yet
http://www.awdnews.com/top-news/at-least-two-turks-injured-by-debris-of-russian-jet-downed-in-syria,-pilots-not-found-yet

At least two Turkish residents were injured by debris from a Russian Su-24 Fencer attack jet that crashed in Syria Tuesday, local media reported.

The injured people were residents of the Turkish southern province of Hatay, from a district located on the Syrian border, Turkish Ulusal TV Channel reported.

The Russian jet crashed in Syria earlier on Tuesday with two people aboard. The plane was most likely downed by a ground missile, according to the Russian Defense Ministry.

According to initial ministry information, both pilots were able to catapult. Their current condition and whereabouts have not been released.

 

[un chien anadolu]

Re: Turkey shot down Russian fighter jet over Syria

I wonder if behind the scenes, all of this has anything to do with Montreux Convention Regarding the Regime of the Straits. Because in times of peace, the Black Sea countries e.g Russia are allowed to pass their warships through the straits, including submarines. The only restriction is 15.000 tons limit. But in war time or more importantly when Turkey was threatened by aggression it's allowed to close the straits to those aggressive countries. I know this would be a big threat to Russia and would have major consequences. But the freedom of the Russian Navy in Black Sea and passing the straits and reaching the Mediterranean has always been a big trouble for NATO/US while they can not freely pass the straits and even if they can only with a limited tonnage and they can stay in Black Sea for a very limited time. (During the Russia-Georgia war in 2008, some US Navy ships were trying to flout the rules and stay longer than permitted time but Russia warned Turkey and US several times requesting to obey Montreux rules)

 

[Mike]

Re: Turkey shot down Russian fighter jet over Syria

Best thing everybody can do is get out on FB and Twitter and post and repost our stuff, each other's stuff, comments, outrage, etc.

Yep. Never liked it. It just seemed to have a (Personal information exploitation), monitoring capacity that favored the PTB.

I think it's way late in the day to be worrying about that, the PTB have had full access to everything for a looong time now. If what we share can make a difference (and from what the Cs have said that seems to be so), then I’d rather shake off those kind of fears and set to it It’s a non-linear world!

Not to try to scare anyone but just being associated with web searches and the such probably puts a person in Main Core or something similar in other countries. Might as well flap the butterfly wings while we can.

https://www.rutherford.org/publications_resources/john_whiteheads_commentary/freedom_or_the_slaughterhouse_the_american_police_state_from_a_to_z

M is for MAIN CORE. Since the 1980s, the U.S. government has acquired and maintained, without warrant or court order, a database of names and information on Americans considered to be threats to the nation. As Salon reports, this database, reportedly dubbed “Main Core,” is to be used by the Army and FEMA in times of national emergency or under martial law to locate and round up Americans seen as threats to national security. As of 2008, there were some 8 million Americans in the Main Core database.

I was thinking today after posting on FB, etc and seeing where this blatant attack might lead given the Fed is having an emergency/unscheduled meeting:

Realize the West/US/NATO are already in a covert war with Russia and China. Implications of Turkey's flagrant attack on Russian with subsequent support from NATO - I think this might accelerate into the financial/economic arena where the US and West are weakest. It would probably be coordinated actions with China. Wait to see what the Federal Reserve says with their emergency/unscheduled meeting which started yesterday. Depending on what the Fed says and does, Putin and China might be given the opportunity and excuse to do a number of things to slice at the West's Achilles heel.

 

[sbeaudry]

Re: Turkey shot down Russian fighter jet over Syria

Best thing everybody can do is get out on FB and Twitter and post and repost our stuff, each other's stuff, comments, outrage, etc.

Yep. Never liked it. It just seemed to have a (Personal information exploitation), monitoring capacity that favored the PTB.

I think it's way late in the day to be worrying about that, the PTB have had full access to everything for a looong time now. If what we share can make a difference (and from what the Cs have said that seems to be so), then I’d rather shake off those kind of fears and set to it It’s a non-linear world!

Not to try to scare anyone but just being associated with web searches and the such probably puts a person in Main Core or something similar in other countries. Might as well flap the butterfly wings while we can.

https://www.rutherford.org/publications_resources/john_whiteheads_commentary/freedom_or_the_slaughterhouse_the_american_police_state_from_a_to_z

M is for MAIN CORE. Since the 1980s, the U.S. government has acquired and maintained, without warrant or court order, a database of names and information on Americans considered to be threats to the nation. As Salon reports, this database, reportedly dubbed “Main Core,” is to be used by the Army and FEMA in times of national emergency or under martial law to locate and round up Americans seen as threats to national security. As of 2008, there were some 8 million Americans in the Main Core database.

I was thinking today after posting on FB, etc and seeing where this blatant attack might lead given the Fed is having an emergency/unscheduled meeting:

Realize the West/US/NATO are already in a covert war with Russia and China. Implications of Turkey's flagrant attack on Russian with subsequent support from NATO - I think this might accelerate into the financial/economic arena where the US and West are weakest. It would probably be coordinated actions with China. Wait to see what the Federal Reserve says with their emergency/unscheduled meeting which started yesterday. Depending on what the Fed says and does, Putin and China might be given the opportunity and excuse to do a number of things to slice at the West's Achilles heel.

Yeah, it's a little scary. I've been pretty active today and had a message request from someone who I have no connections with, is a sergeant in the US army (according to his page) and he asked what my opinion was on the downed Russian jet. I deleted the request but now I'm thinking I should have recorded his name. i want to say Steve Owen or something like that. Creepy

 

[Mike]

Re: Turkey shot down Russian fighter jet over Syria

Yeah, it's a little scary. I've been pretty active today and had a message request from someone who I have no connections with, is a sergeant in the US army (according to his page) and he asked what my opinion was on the downed Russian jet. I deleted the request but now I'm thinking I should have recorded his name. i want to say Steve Owen or something like that. Creepy

That is creepy. Maybe he is just is a friend of a friend who saw a liked post in his feed or something.

I actually had people I've known since high school like some posts today for the first time where it is usually just Sott/Cass related people.

 

[sbeaudry]

Re: Turkey shot down Russian fighter jet over Syria

Yeah, it's a little scary. I've been pretty active today and had a message request from someone who I have no connections with, is a sergeant in the US army (according to his page) and he asked what my opinion was on the downed Russian jet. I deleted the request but now I'm thinking I should have recorded his name. i want to say Steve Owen or something like that. Creepy

That is creepy. Maybe he is just is a friend of a friend who saw a liked post in his feed or something.

I actually had people I've known since high school like some posts today for the first time where it is usually just Sott/Cass related people.

Hmm... No, FB specifically said there was no connection and his page looked off to me, but I don't know for sure.

EDIT: Red Russian style beret was the background photo but it said he was US Army sergeant out of Corpus Christi I think

 

[Sol Logos]

Re: Turkey shot down Russian fighter jet over Syria

Yeah, it's a little scary. I've been pretty active today and had a message request from someone who I have no connections with, is a sergeant in the US army (according to his page) and he asked what my opinion was on the downed Russian jet. I deleted the request but now I'm thinking I should have recorded his name. i want to say Steve Owen or something like that. Creepy

That is creepy. Maybe he is just is a friend of a friend who saw a liked post in his feed or something.

I actually had people I've known since high school like some posts today for the first time where it is usually just Sott/Cass related people.

Hmm... No, FB specifically said there was no connection and his page looked off to me, but I don't know for sure.

EDIT: Red Russian style beret was the background photo but it said he was US Army sergeant out of Corpus Christi I think

I would say like my opinion is subject to the facts, and so I like to share facts from sources that I'm led to believe value facts over opinions.

 

[sbeaudry]

Re: Turkey shot down Russian fighter jet over Syria

Yeah, it's a little scary. I've been pretty active today and had a message request from someone who I have no connections with, is a sergeant in the US army (according to his page) and he asked what my opinion was on the downed Russian jet. I deleted the request but now I'm thinking I should have recorded his name. i want to say Steve Owen or something like that. Creepy

That is creepy. Maybe he is just is a friend of a friend who saw a liked post in his feed or something.

I actually had people I've known since high school like some posts today for the first time where it is usually just Sott/Cass related people.

Hmm... No, FB specifically said there was no connection and his page looked off to me, but I don't know for sure.

EDIT: Red Russian style beret was the background photo but it said he was US Army sergeant out of Corpus Christi I think

I would say like my opinion is subject to the facts, and so I like to share facts from sources that I'm led to believe value facts over opinions.

I didn't respond to him at all and it was extra weird because it wasn't related to any of the articles I was posting or comments I had made today. It was simply a message request asking, out of the blue, what my opinion was on the downed jet. I have been on the Russian Ministry of Defense Facebook page quite a bit today, so maybe it had something to do with that. Anywho, I figured him for a troll and deleted the request, but now I wish I had jotted the name down at least.

 

[Ruth]

Re: Turkey shot down Russian fighter jet over Syria

Things may be starting to come to a boil.....

Yes, I think things are starting to get out of control and not in a good way. Erdogan, the idiot, needs to start talking to Putin before he gets made into a Western stool pigeon. This could be a flash point. And, no, 'The West' will not protect him, since he is just being used to further their agenda. Politicians are meant to be smart in such things rather than completely oblivious. I hope he is in contact with at least one reliable Russian.

Of course Western mainstream media is making sure that everybody knows that America supports the Turkish action. Apparently they're up next in the destabilization of the region.

Erdogan needs to be careful that he doesn't get his head blown off. I mean, I wouldn't put it past some elements in the region assassinating him just so they can blame it on the Russians.

 

[syldan]

Re: Turkey shot down Russian fighter jet over Syria

Quote from: sbeaudry on Yesterday at 11:30:05 PM

Yeah, it's a little scary. I've been pretty active today and had a message request from someone who I have no connections with, is a sergeant in the US army (according to his page) and he asked what my opinion was on the downed Russian jet. I deleted the request but now I'm thinking I should have recorded his name. i want to say Steve Owen or something like that. Creepy

i have been intimidated on Fb before, twice, by people using someone else's id and page, and they posted into my chat, with warnings me that i was in big trouble or something to that effect, because of what i was posting. So i responded in kind, and it turned out that they were insiders who could somehow use an account of an Fb friend?? So, many possibilities with this type of interaction, Though, it is wise to remain cool, calm and collected, and as you said, just jot down some reference points just in case. Both times when this happened to me, the next day or day there after, the owners of the accounts put out posts explaining that they were hacked by someone who either challenged or were out right obnoxious to people connected to their accounts about something posted?? Better to be safe though... and just stay silent IMO...

 

[Lilou]

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King Abdullah of Jordan met with Putin today in Sochi for a planned visit that was announced last week. The downed fighter jet by Turkey sure put a somber mood over the meeting.The picture posted with the article shows very grim faces. http://www.jordantimes.com/news/local/current-regional-developments-will-push-int%E2%80%99l-community-work-together-%E2%80%94-king

Jordan has always been friendly with Russia. I thought the Nuclear Power Plant Russia was supposed to build in Jordan was cancelled because of public outcry. I read recently that it was cancelled because the US threatened to cut their financial aid if they proceeded. Perhaps part of deal was to fund "green energy" projects, as solar and wind are springing up everywhere in the Kingdom.

I do have to say I prefer the green energy, as Nuclear Plants have a low energy output rating compared with cost. You also have to store the spent rods for five years in water, then bury it somewhere for another 10,000 years! The plant requires a lot of water to operate - something they are in lack of. But since Jordan is sitting on a big haul of uranium.....I think they are still trying to pull off a plant sometime in the future.

And Erdogan....just makes my blood boil.

 

[sbeaudry]

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Total BS from NATO...

http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_125052.htm

Statement by the NATO Secretary General after the extraordinary NAC meeting

24 Nov. 2015
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Press Release (2015) 169
Issued on 24 Nov. 2015
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Last updated: 24 Nov. 2015 22:32

The North Atlantic Council has just held a meeting, an extraordinary meeting. And we have been updated by the Turkish Ambassador on the recent events. I have also spoken to Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu.

Turkey informed Allies about the downing of a Russian Air Force plane violating Turkish airspace.

I have previously expressed my concerns about the implications of the military actions of the Russian Federation close to NATO’s borders.

This highlights the importance of having and respecting arrangements to avoid such incidents in the future.

As we have repeatedly made clear, we stand in solidarity with Turkey and support the territorial integrity of our NATO Ally, Turkey.

We will continue to follow the developments on the South-Eastern borders of NATO very closely.

I look forward to further contacts between Ankara and Moscow and I call for calm and de-escalation.

Diplomacy and de-escalation are important to resolve this situation.

Now I’m ready to take your questions.

Q (CNN): The Russians are saying the plane was shot down over Syrian territory and never went into Turkish territory. Are you convinced that it was shot down indeed over Turkish airspace and that Turkish airspace was indeed violate?

Secretary General: The Allied assessments we have got from several Allies during the day are consistent with information we have been provided with from Turkey. So the information we have from other Allies is consistent with what we have got from Turkey.

Q (Kurdish media): Mr Stoltenberg, how could be the situation and your position if tension between Russia and Turkey raised? You said that you are continue looking at developments. How could be your position if tensions continue to rise between Russia and Turkey? Thank you.

Secretary General: I’ve think I’ve expressed very clearly that we are calling for calm and de-escalation. This is a serious situation. This is a situation which calls on that we all are prudent and that we all contribute to de-escalating the situation.

And that’s also the reason why I welcome further contacts between Moscow and Ankara. There has been contacts and we would welcome even more contacts. To partly to solve this concrete incident, but also to continue to work on the development and also the strengthening of mechanisms to avoid these kinds of situation in the future.

Actually, inside the Alliance we are discussing how we can develop better and improved measures for transparency, for predictability, and for risk reduction. Because we have to avoid this kind of incidents. We have to avoid that situations, incidents, accidents spiral out of control.

And therefore this is a serious situation, but I think that the new security environment we are facing along NATO borders just underlines the importance of focusing more on predictability, transparency, and different measures to reduce risks.

Q (WSJ): What does this say about the ability for Allies to work together with Russia in Syria? Are the tactics just too different? Are the targets just too different?

Secretary General: The common enemy should be ISIL. And I would welcome all efforts to fight ISIL. And it is important that all of us, also Russia, is guided by the overarching goal of defeating ISIL.

What we have seen is that most of the attacks by Russia so far has been targeted towards targets in parts of Syria where ISIL is not present. So we welcome all efforts to fight ISIL. Our common enemy is ISIL, and therefore I would also welcome all efforts to strengthen the fight against ISIL.

Q (Reuters): Wondered if you had any contacts with the Russians or planned any contacts with the Russians over this incident?

Secretary General: There has been contacts between Ankara and Moscow, Turkey and Russia but so far there has been no direct contact between NATO and Russia. But we have been in contact with Turkey, a NATO ally, which has directly been in contact with Russian authorities.

Q (unknown): Do you have any more clarity as to how the plane was actually shot down because that’s disputed, whether it be surface to surface or surface to air or ground to air missile?

Secretary General: I will be careful going too much into specifics and too much into details but what I can confirm is that the assessments we have from allies are consistent with what Turkey briefed us about earlier today.

 

[Laura]

Re: Turkey shot down Russian fighter jet over Syria

Well, what did we expect from NATO psychopaths?

Cs did say things were going to start getting rough from now on.

 

[bjorb]

Re: Turkey shot down Russian fighter jet over Syria

Europe has shown today where it stands. Incompetent cowards. NATO does not serve them, they know it. How about they start acting on it.

What we now need is more war-talk. Time to bring the world on the brink of destruction. Maybe that will give Europe the appropriate shock and rethink their poisonous alignment. China is btw way to silent.

As for Erdogan and his pack of gangsters. They should all be crushed. If the consortium can intimidate the world with ‘star wars’ weaponry so can Russia. They have equivalents. Tear down his plane with him and his ilk on it and make sure the world powers are watching.

If you play first class lapdog of the Empire you better burn for it.


Russia has given Europe its chance to sober up. Any hope of that is now gone if you ask me. I truly hoped it wasn’t. But I think it clearly is. Time to expose the war on terror for what it really is. France included. No more subtle remarks of giving them a chance to take there loses.

Time to let the drums of war be heard.

And time to crush Erdogan in every literally sense of the word.



[quote author=Lilou]King Abdullah of Jordan met with Putin today in Sochi for a planned visit that was announced last week. The downed fighter jet by Turkey sure put a somber mood over the meeting.The picture posted with the article shows very grim faces. [/quote]

King Abdullah of Jordan graduated at the UK's Royal Military Academy at Sandhurst. Means he has ties with the US/ UK establishment. I suspect he is just looking for business opportunities with Russia but the US would never allow it. He is a loyal corrupt dog. Nothing more.

Putin and Lavrov wasted many diplomatic missions on people like that. Or not, it forces them to show there true colors.