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I understand this STS tactic to have to do with coincidences and "synchronous" events that prompt you to make a certain choice over another choice - things that don't directly related to the necessary data to make the choice itself. So you know, maybe like meeting someone who has like 25 things in common with you, maybe all artificial things like movie preferences etc, but this makes you think you "click" and you might want to trust that person because they seem to be much like yourself. That should raise a big red flag, osit. Just cuz they have the same eye color and like the same movies and even go to the same websites does not mean they have the same intentions, goals, true nature, etc. In fact, it's a known tactic of manipulation to make someone think that you're just like them - salesmen do it, people who want to sleep with you do it, it seems to be a popular manipulation tactic to create a "bond" through "likeness" or "similarity" etc.
Anyway my impression is that the "universe" does help us find our way, but not by prompting or leading with "signs" or any other synchronistic funkiness, but more like opening the doors for us to collect the right data and once we have the right understanding, we can make the right choice. But if you're standing there and you have to choose between 2 doors, I don't think the STO side of the universe will make one of the doors sorta "sparkle" to kinda catch your eye and make you think that it's a "sign" that you should pick that one, or maybe on that door you'll see a picture that you know from childhood or something, another "sign". That seems more like what STS would do because it does not relate to the actual content behind those doors, it does not relate to the actual nature of your choice, it's more like an arbitrary "sign" that is just there to prompt you to make that choice, just because it's a "sign". But STO is all about knowledge, all about helping you learn, which means if you don't know which door to choose, and the choice CAN wait, then instead of looking for "signs from above", do research and figure out which door is more likely to be the one you need to choose. That's my understanding anyway. Then after you made the choice, you might turn around and THEN see your familiar image from childhood or something on the other side of the door, only after you already went through. That would probably be more in line with STO, as they did not interfere with the choice in any way.
And if you don't have enough data but you gotta make the choice, then your intuition might help. But looking for external signs might interfere with intuition, which is internal and it is based on knowledge, even if that knowledge is more in your subconscious than at the forefront of your mind. Signs aren't knowledge, they're arbitrary and unrelated to the choice at all, all they mean is "somebody WANTS me to make this choice, so they sent me a sign" - but STO does not "want" anything, they do not have vested interest in any outcome, they don't anticipate or try to control the future. And also I don't think STO is gonna always be busy making subtle confirmations too for everything we do - sometimes a confirmation is simply self-evident. If behind the door is an alligator but you were looking for something else, well better call Steve Irwin. If behind the door is what you were looking for in the first place, well there's your confirmation, knowledge protects.
Another way to see a sign is as a "temptation" - we were given the impression that it's the right choice based on the wrong sort of data (namely, some sign), and a sign "tempts" us to go a certain way. This reminds me of the "fall" humanity experienced - went through a door only to be bitten by a snake. We were tempted by a pot of gold on the other side of the door, which made us ignore the data that was necessary to make the right choice because we were too busy looking at "data" that was irrelevant to whether this was a good idea - the gold. Kinda like this silly thought: "something that tastes so good can't be bad for you, right?" - also famous last words :D
Though I'd imagine a dream can be used by STO to warn us, cuz dreams usually don't directly relate to the subject matter in our lives, they're usually about something else but with similar dynamics, and it's upto us to make the connection and see how it might apply to our lives, which would preserve free will. Then again, maybe STS can use our dreams too - and our subconscious and other things - all a big mess. So it's upto us to discern what comes from where, and make the right decision, osit. And knowledge of STO/STS helps/protects in this regard, as does all other knowledge in general.
I understand this STS tactic to have to do with coincidences and "synchronous" events that prompt you to make a certain choice over another choice - things that don't directly related to the necessary data to make the choice itself. So you know, maybe like meeting someone who has like 25 things in common with you, maybe all artificial things like movie preferences etc, but this makes you think you "click" and you might want to trust that person because they seem to be much like yourself. That should raise a big red flag, osit. Just cuz they have the same eye color and like the same movies and even go to the same websites does not mean they have the same intentions, goals, true nature, etc. In fact, it's a known tactic of manipulation to make someone think that you're just like them - salesmen do it, people who want to sleep with you do it, it seems to be a popular manipulation tactic to create a "bond" through "likeness" or "similarity" etc.
Anyway my impression is that the "universe" does help us find our way, but not by prompting or leading with "signs" or any other synchronistic funkiness, but more like opening the doors for us to collect the right data and once we have the right understanding, we can make the right choice. But if you're standing there and you have to choose between 2 doors, I don't think the STO side of the universe will make one of the doors sorta "sparkle" to kinda catch your eye and make you think that it's a "sign" that you should pick that one, or maybe on that door you'll see a picture that you know from childhood or something, another "sign". That seems more like what STS would do because it does not relate to the actual content behind those doors, it does not relate to the actual nature of your choice, it's more like an arbitrary "sign" that is just there to prompt you to make that choice, just because it's a "sign". But STO is all about knowledge, all about helping you learn, which means if you don't know which door to choose, and the choice CAN wait, then instead of looking for "signs from above", do research and figure out which door is more likely to be the one you need to choose. That's my understanding anyway. Then after you made the choice, you might turn around and THEN see your familiar image from childhood or something on the other side of the door, only after you already went through. That would probably be more in line with STO, as they did not interfere with the choice in any way.
And if you don't have enough data but you gotta make the choice, then your intuition might help. But looking for external signs might interfere with intuition, which is internal and it is based on knowledge, even if that knowledge is more in your subconscious than at the forefront of your mind. Signs aren't knowledge, they're arbitrary and unrelated to the choice at all, all they mean is "somebody WANTS me to make this choice, so they sent me a sign" - but STO does not "want" anything, they do not have vested interest in any outcome, they don't anticipate or try to control the future. And also I don't think STO is gonna always be busy making subtle confirmations too for everything we do - sometimes a confirmation is simply self-evident. If behind the door is an alligator but you were looking for something else, well better call Steve Irwin. If behind the door is what you were looking for in the first place, well there's your confirmation, knowledge protects.
Another way to see a sign is as a "temptation" - we were given the impression that it's the right choice based on the wrong sort of data (namely, some sign), and a sign "tempts" us to go a certain way. This reminds me of the "fall" humanity experienced - went through a door only to be bitten by a snake. We were tempted by a pot of gold on the other side of the door, which made us ignore the data that was necessary to make the right choice because we were too busy looking at "data" that was irrelevant to whether this was a good idea - the gold. Kinda like this silly thought: "something that tastes so good can't be bad for you, right?" - also famous last words :D
Though I'd imagine a dream can be used by STO to warn us, cuz dreams usually don't directly relate to the subject matter in our lives, they're usually about something else but with similar dynamics, and it's upto us to make the connection and see how it might apply to our lives, which would preserve free will. Then again, maybe STS can use our dreams too - and our subconscious and other things - all a big mess. So it's upto us to discern what comes from where, and make the right decision, osit. And knowledge of STO/STS helps/protects in this regard, as does all other knowledge in general.
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Yes, I think that syncs can be a trap and should be a way of drawing someone's attention to something. What are your dreams saying, as this can be an interesting medium for communication (and not always by the 'good guys' either).Mra said:
I'm not sure, I've just done a search on the word 'destiny' in the transcripts and come up with 30 entries. Its seems a curious word and one I can't claim to fully understand. Especially what it means. They did however say that 'the future is open'. If you are meaning 'destiny' like future, well, it is 'open' and can be change through various actions.Mra said:
They'll keep trying and yes they are!Mra said:
You'll always have the opportunity to spiritually evolve and to think. Not everybody choses this, of course. And each to their own as well. I also think there is a 'unique' path for everyone which hopefully isn't too much of a lonely one.Mra said:
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Mra, if you have not already, check out this stuff:
The RA Channelings:
hXXp://www.spiritofra.com/Ra-section%201.htm <--- good general summary
hXXp://lawofone.info/ <---- the entire material free online, with a search too!
Also the book "Bringers of the Dawn" by Barbara Marciniak.
hXXp://www.cosmic-people.com/english/books/bringers.htm <---- the entire book, free online.
Both materials are more distorted than the C's material due to "love and light" biases of the receivers/channelers and a less critical approach to the channeling process (channeled by one person instead of a group for example), but they tend to generally be a good introduction to the C's material.
Mra, if you have not already, check out this stuff:
The RA Channelings:
hXXp://www.spiritofra.com/Ra-section%201.htm <--- good general summary
hXXp://lawofone.info/ <---- the entire material free online, with a search too!
Also the book "Bringers of the Dawn" by Barbara Marciniak.
hXXp://www.cosmic-people.com/english/books/bringers.htm <---- the entire book, free online.
Both materials are more distorted than the C's material due to "love and light" biases of the receivers/channelers and a less critical approach to the channeling process (channeled by one person instead of a group for example), but they tend to generally be a good introduction to the C's material.
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Why?
Because information is always "coded" one way or another. Whether it is true or not depends on
1) The algorithm (or "method") that is being used in the decoding process
2) On circumstances. For instance "It is now cold" may be true today at some place, but may be false tomorrow or in another place.
It is always good to think about the meaning of the term "true" when one is tempted to use it. I wrote a post:
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=1922
on the subject "What is Truth" - thinking that it really deserves some deeper discussion, especially taking into account the fact that we encouraging members of this forum to use it in a rather particular way.
The above is not exactly "true" :)Mra said:
Why?
Because information is always "coded" one way or another. Whether it is true or not depends on
1) The algorithm (or "method") that is being used in the decoding process
2) On circumstances. For instance "It is now cold" may be true today at some place, but may be false tomorrow or in another place.
It is always good to think about the meaning of the term "true" when one is tempted to use it. I wrote a post:
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=1922
on the subject "What is Truth" - thinking that it really deserves some deeper discussion, especially taking into account the fact that we encouraging members of this forum to use it in a rather particular way.
Again you seem to be missing an essential point (but I may have been missing even more essential points at your age). The cassiopaean transmissions are not written in a language of dialectical logic. To inquire whether the information there is "true" or "false" is meaningless. The right question is:"is it useful for me" and "does it inspire me for searching the truth?"Mra said:
You are perfectly right here. But more is needed. Real DATA are needed. And to collect the real data is even more difficult than to discusss anything using logic.Mra said:
Life is not that easy. Because the moment you think you already know the truth - you are bound to err.Mra said:
Again, life is not that easy. Human kind is not uniform. It includes, for instance, psychopaths. They likely will have a different opinion on this subject than yours :)Mra said:
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Cassiopaeans is not true - some of it is true, some of it isn't. Putting your faith in it would not lead to knowledge and would be missing the point, osit. The transmissions are inspiration for research, and any truth we learn comes from our understanding of how and why something is true - which can only come from research, which is collection of data and contemplation/analysis of this data. Not by putting faith in what we're told by any source. To me it makes sense to have faith that the C's *can* give absolutely valid and truthful information, but not faith that any particular statement is, in fact, true just because it was given by the C's. That must be verified through research.Mra said:
I think "consensus logic", or the effort of a collinear group of people to research and "purify" the information to approach objectivity makes it more objective than any one person could do all by themselves, but there is still never certainty about what the truth is - just an assessment of probability based on currently available data. New data can make us discard our old understandings and hypotheses if that data contradicts the old data. Then we have to make new hypothesis with respect to the new data, and our assessment of what is more probable to be true changes. It's an ongoing process that never ends. A network makes the process exponentially faster though, but if the network is not collinear or has a poor understanding of what it means to "seek truth", it could be going around in circles achieving nothing, just filling up on assumptions and subjective ideas and beliefs and lies - like many groups are.Mra said:
Yeah it's pretty overwhelming, but as shocking and amazing the information about our external reality is, it is not nearly as shocking as when you begin to discover about your internal reality. THAT is the real trial by fire, and this is what renders most groups useless. Anybody can talk about politics or UFO's or religion. But most of it will be nonsense until the person is capable of addressing the inner "chaos" and mechanical/programmed state of themselves. This is very difficult, but this process too is greatly assisted by a collinear network that has understood its significance - if you allow yourself to face the reality of the "inner situation" and work through it that is.Mra said:
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http://danwinter.com/corrnote.html
More info is at the web page:
http://www.cassiopaea.com/archive/wiley2.htm
etc.
When you are looking for "the objective information" it is best to study SCIENCES, not "teachings". Some "teachings" are "useful" for some people and totally meaningless for other people. That does not mean that "science" is free of the subjectivity altogether. What worse - it gets highly distorted by the popular media. Therefore even in science the second, third, fourth opinion is always needed.Mra said:
The only "ideology" of the cass group is that of "never ending search for the truth". If this "ideology" does not fit your tastes, you should of course look for something better.Mra said:
You know nothing about him? Too bad. You are not a very good searcher :) His name is listed, for instance, here:Mra said:
http://danwinter.com/corrnote.html
More info is at the web page:
http://www.cassiopaea.com/archive/wiley2.htm
etc.
If you are searching for objective truth - as it seems to be the case - then the first question you should ask, whenever reading some "nasty story" or some "sensational story" should be "Sez WHO?". And then to search for the reliable INFORMATION about the author. "Reliable" means "based on verifiable data" and not on someone's else another story. Of course most people will not take such a trouble. And that is why psychopaths rule (as a rule :) ) this world.Mra said:
If you are looking for the objective truth - search for DATA first. Not for opinions. Not even my own opinion, as it may well be useless for you.Mra said:
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Hey Miles, i think most of yer questions would be answered by a thorough reading of the wave and adventure series. You seem to want us to 'give you the answers' to your questions which typically isn't something we can do.
You'll find that STO-ness requires you do the work yourself to gain the knowledge yourself, for yourself. Hints along the way are welcome, and you could take my above suggestion as such.
Further there's no need to 'make a decision right now' about STS and STO. That will be coming up at some point, but in order to make a choice you have to learn about it. It's like asking yourself if you want goto university @ Oberlin or Amherst when you're not entirely sure where Oberlin is or what major's they offer @ Amherst. You can't make the decision because you're ill-informed, you need to know more about both schools, what goes on at each and what your options are when you get there.
Happy Reading!
edit: of course i wrote that and then realized there was a second page. ::shrugs:: Anyway that was written with the assumption you hadn't read wave/adventures, which imho is the best way to get an idea of what's going on here in the forum. The links the others provided are also great reading.
Hey Miles, i think most of yer questions would be answered by a thorough reading of the wave and adventure series. You seem to want us to 'give you the answers' to your questions which typically isn't something we can do.
You'll find that STO-ness requires you do the work yourself to gain the knowledge yourself, for yourself. Hints along the way are welcome, and you could take my above suggestion as such.
Further there's no need to 'make a decision right now' about STS and STO. That will be coming up at some point, but in order to make a choice you have to learn about it. It's like asking yourself if you want goto university @ Oberlin or Amherst when you're not entirely sure where Oberlin is or what major's they offer @ Amherst. You can't make the decision because you're ill-informed, you need to know more about both schools, what goes on at each and what your options are when you get there.
Happy Reading!
edit: of course i wrote that and then realized there was a second page. ::shrugs:: Anyway that was written with the assumption you hadn't read wave/adventures, which imho is the best way to get an idea of what's going on here in the forum. The links the others provided are also great reading.
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