What is the second death?

[truepositive]

So much interest in classifications and pathways and such. Of course we dont hear about life in 5d. Consider the fundamental point of philosophy as it was described by Anselm; a dually recursive system of looking at reality. We could spend 'X' amount of time figuring out 'the system' - and then it automatically adjusts itself. To spell it out, God is mutable by it's own presence, sometimes the rules will change, or even become 'unfair'. All of this is still mostly 3D representation.

 

[Wandering Star]

Lately I have been thinking about this thing about the second death and about organic portals and about people with individual souls.

And I think it is possible that in both cases this thing called the second death can occur.

In one case the personality or ego disappears or dies, to improve the information field (pool) by integrating what was learned in that life.

In another case the personality or ego disappears or dies, leaving the soul behind at last, distilled and pure, the material world.

In summary, the moment of the second death would be the definitive transfer to the fifth density, for all that is in the material worlds.

The fourth density STS will do everything possible to avoid this death and to endure in matter.

Beyond the fourth density they have no access.

 

[irjO]

To me it sounds like the second death is just going back to 3rd density with a different essence, since OPs review lives or contemplate as a group according to the Cs, there is perhaps much less contemplation individually speaking and just a “general” review of life, and nothing else to do in 5th density but reborn right away.
Compare to a souled being who can perhaps keep growing or doing more in 5th when they become one with the 5D self. Obviously all this is speculation, but could be the explanation to the called “second death”.

 

[goyacobol]

I think these are very good questions. I also have thought about how the OPs function and the soul pool they may go into after physical death. Strangely, I often think about our 2D animal friends and how much they become a part of our lives to the extent they almost seem like family.

The Cs seem to describe even our 2D pets (like a dog) for instance as one day being able to progress to 3D and will have an opinion of calculus.

Session 31 May 1997:

Q: Well, I don't know exactly what calculus is, but I know it is important. I never thought I was able to learn such things, so I didn't try. But, I think it is important, and someday I will know something about it. I am sure that the dog would not only think it is not useful, he would not even be aware of it. How does that relate to consciousness energy directors?

A: All in nature seeks balance. One day, so to speak, "Percy" will indeed have an opinion of calculus.

Q: Okay, so consciousness energy directors are like a horizontal reality in relation to the perpendicular ones?

A: Slots, my dear, slots.

Originally according to the Cs the organic portals were created as a kind of bridge between 2D and 3D.

Session 13 July 2002:

Q: Do "organic portals" go to fifth density when they die?

A: Only temporarily until the "second death."

{This refers to an esoteric tradition teaching that some consciousness units dissipate over a period of 40 days after death unless the individual has crystallized an individuated soul.}

Q: (V) What is the "origin" of these organic portal human types? In the scheme of creation, where did they come from?

A: They were originally part of the bridge between 2nd density and 3rd density. Review transcripts on the subject of short wave cycles and long wave cycles.

To me it sounds like the second death is just going back to 3rd density with a different essence, since OPs review lives or contemplate as a group according to the Cs, there is perhaps much less contemplation individually speaking and just a “general” review of life, and nothing else to do in 5th density but reborn right away.
Compare to a souled being who can perhaps keep growing or doing more in 5th when they become one with the 5D self. Obviously all this is speculation, but could be the explanation to the called “second death”.

@irjO,

I think that is an interesting idea that may be "close" to what may happen since I don't think the Cs say exactly where the "soul pool" exists as far as 5D. Since OPs have a second death one would think it is possibly a part of 5D but how that works is kind of an unknown (at least for me). One would probably need an induvidualized soul to really to really "contemplate" its past.

From a traditional Christian perspective the main and perhaps only concept of the "second death" occurs in the the Book of Revelation. The following is just one occurrence in the Book of Revelation that speaks of the "second death".

Revelation 2:11 (KJV)
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

I seems perhaps that the Cs have taken into consideration our religious programming to give us a broader perspective of our fears and uncertainties about concepts that are related to death and those dimly expressed concepts of reincarnation in the Bible.

One problem I have with my own development is the fact I was a treasurer in one church and a deacon in two other Christian denominational churches and have been programmed to a great extent by biblical prophecies and biblical concepts.

I suspect others here are also dealing with some of these issues. So far I can only say that the Cs do not totally dismiss some of the accuracy of the Bible (and probably other religious texts and their accuracy as well). I can only consider that perhaps only 30% of the Christian bible has valid accuracy.

Session 9 June 1996:

Q: (L) Why is Jesus described as being a priest after the order of Melchizidek?

A: We told you that 70 per cent of the Bible is false.

Q: (L) Well, 70 per cent would equal an amount that could consist of the entire old testament.

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Did Abraham pay tithes to Melchizidek?

A: No.

Q: (L) Did a Melchizidek live at the time of the patriarch Abraham?

A: Yes.

With the above taken into consideration I think the concept of "the second death" may have a more expanded meaning to us here who are seeking to understand the concepts the Cs are sharing with us. I am kind of comforted that our two deceased puppies/dogs may advance to a higher level of existance and that we all may advance in a "natural progression" to the next level of density "as needed".

 

[goyacobol]

the second death is what happened to Lathyrus and it was a mistake.

??? If you are still here please explain what you mean.

 

[Kate]

To me it sounds like the second death is just going back to 3rd density with a different essence, since OPs review lives or contemplate as a group according to the Cs, there is perhaps much less contemplation individually speaking and just a “general” review of life, and nothing else to do in 5th density but reborn right away.
Compare to a souled being who can perhaps keep growing or doing more in 5th when they become one with the 5D self. Obviously all this is speculation, but could be the explanation to the called “second death”.

That's exactly what I wanted to write! While reading all the information shared here recently, after going through a few sessions where questions were asked about how the deceased feel – there was never a specific answer from C suggesting that a given soul was not in 5D. It's as if all the people asked about were 100% humans with souls, and there was never a case of an OP (Organic Portal). Then, after C’s answers about short-wave and long-wave cycles, and the statement that birth and death are the same, I thought that the 'second death' for an OP might mean a quick rebirth, a fast reincarnation, because their soul – or more precisely, the lack of it – doesn’t need to contemplate, analyze, learn, explore, etc. Instead, as a 'blank slate,' it can quickly jump into a new life.

In Dr. Michael Newton’s work – even though some here criticize him for never encountering a case suggesting an OP – there are a few cases he describes where, after a quick life review, souls decide together which incarnation to choose

Similar to animals existing within the 2D realm, Organic Portals (OPs), as transitional beings bridging the 2D and 3D densities, appear to reincarnate rapidly. This tendency aligns them more with the short-wave cycle—primarily physical in nature—rather than the long-wave, which is more etheric and spiritual. Due to the absence of an individualized soul, there is no indywidual choice capable of consciously choosing to remain in 5D or to engage in the long-wave cycle as a path of spiritual learning and evolution.

In Dr. Michael Newton’s work – even though some here criticize him for never encountering a case suggesting an OP – there are a few cases he describes where, after a quick life review, souls decide together which incarnation to choose.

these are my thoughts