What programs have YOU discovered?

[JAKSUN]

Teacher/The Hero - A common result if I get far into theorizing with my emotional energy. I feel that I am qualified to be a teacher of esoterica... of course nothing could be further from the truth. It does activate often though and sometimes it is very strong. I think it is very close to "The Hero"-program Alderpax mentioned. Feelings of self-loathing often follow after running this program, as it tends to culminate in a free-will violation. It is always during running this program that I feel estranged from this forum... not a good sign. But... it's the predator, is it not?

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Yes, I can relate to this "teacher" program. It drives me to frustration at times and like you, the negative repercussions of expressing my knowledge of reality can last for days. Fear of some unidentifiable repercussion and a nasty feeling in the pit of my stomach is how I feel it.

Perhaps these feelings are common among true psychics and revealers. Perhaps our internal response to revealing truth is a programmed mechanism instilled in us to protect the ultimate pathocracy; that Ultra-Terrestrial predator that makes our New World Order participants look like mere ants in the scale of its hierarchy.

Please understand that we Do have a higher knowledge and we Can see solutions in adjusting behaviour and cognisance. But we are so hemmed in by our social psychic resonance (frequency fencing?) that we feel guilty of some unnameable crime.

I think that my own teacher program arises out of a genuine empathy and heartfelt desire to set things right. As I write this post I see that the "desire to set things right" is also a positive impulse. I also think that feelings of negativity associated with these natural human impulses perhaps relate more to the predatorial state of low awareness pressure, rather than to the actual external predator in this case.

We prepare ourselves to receive the higher frequencies (Laura in High Strangeness) and we are then blessed with relatively transcendental knowledge. The resultant process of internal negative feedback is ever a tyrant to be faced and mastered. (A gift from out higher reality?). I thank Castoneada's Don Juan for that little bit of wisdom, but it doesn't make me feel any better!. Emotional centre requiring work - well there is no shortage of things to be done on oneself is there?

Even now my stomach (2nd brain?) is clamouring and making me feel like I shouldn't post. Divine Cosmic Mind, deep breath, trust and here I go.

 

[anart]

Yes, I can relate to this "teacher" program. It drives me to frustration at times and like you, the negative repercussions of expressing my knowledge of reality can last for days. Fear of some unidentifiable repercussion and a nasty feeling in the pit of my stomach is how I feel it.

Perhaps these feelings are common among true psychics and revealers. Perhaps our internal response to revealing truth is a programmed mechanism instilled in us to protect the ultimate pathocracy; that Ultra-Terrestrial predator that makes our New World Order participants look like mere ants in the scale of its hierarchy.

Please understand that we Do have a higher knowledge and we Can see solutions in adjusting behaviour and cognisance. But we are so hemmed in by our social psychic resonance (frequency fencing?) that we feel guilty of some unnameable crime.

Just a word of caution here about thinking one knows anything. Without a robust feedback mechanism (an objective network for instance) this impulse that one knows anything, this impulse to 'teach' - this impulse that one has 'higher knowledge' or can 'see solutions' can get one (and others) into some very dark places.

I cannot stress enough the value and importance of realizing that we cannot see ourselves - and that it is very, very easy to overestimate ones own understanding when one is not getting consistent, robust feedback from a network capable of keeping us grounded. Just a few thoughts.

 

[Mr. Premise]

I agree with Anart, here, Jacksun. Are you saying that you think you are a "true psychic and revealer?" That seems to mean even more than a "teacher." Quite a claim! Don't you think it's a big leap to go from "expressing my knowledge of reality" to being a "true psychic and revealer." It seems hubristic to think that we have true knowledge of reality. Maybe yours is truer than your neighbor's or brother-in-law's, but to claim to know reality can be dangerous, especially because it might stop one from being self-critical and from examining one's assumptions. The very process of working with a robust feedback mechanism can only increase one's humility, I think.

Yes, I can relate to this "teacher" program. It drives me to frustration at times and like you, the negative repercussions of expressing my knowledge of reality can last for days. Fear of some unidentifiable repercussion and a nasty feeling in the pit of my stomach is how I feel it.

Perhaps these feelings are common among true psychics and revealers. Perhaps our internal response to revealing truth is a programmed mechanism instilled in us to protect the ultimate pathocracy; that Ultra-Terrestrial predator that makes our New World Order participants look like mere ants in the scale of its hierarchy.

Please understand that we Do have a higher knowledge and we Can see solutions in adjusting behaviour and cognisance. But we are so hemmed in by our social psychic resonance (frequency fencing?) that we feel guilty of some unnameable crime.

Just a word of caution here about thinking one knows anything. Without a robust feedback mechanism (an objective network for instance) this impulse that one knows anything, this impulse to 'teach' - this impulse that one has 'higher knowledge' or can 'see solutions' can get one (and others) into some very dark places.

I cannot stress enough the value and importance of realizing that we cannot see ourselves - and that it is very, very easy to overestimate ones own understanding when one is not getting consistent, robust feedback from a network capable of keeping us grounded. Just a few thoughts.

 

[John G]

But we are so hemmed in by our social psychic resonance (frequency fencing?) that we feel guilty of some unnameable crime.

We prepare ourselves to receive the higher frequencies (Laura in High Strangeness) and we are then blessed with relatively transcendental knowledge. The resultant process of internal negative feedback is ever a tyrant to be faced and mastered. (A gift from out higher reality?). I thank Castoneada's Don Juan for that little bit of wisdom, but it doesn't make me feel any better!. Emotional centre requiring work - well there is no shortage of things to be done on oneself is there?

Even now my stomach (2nd brain?) is clamouring and making me feel like I shouldn't post. Divine Cosmic Mind, deep breath, trust and here I go.

Funny that you should mention Castaneda and High Strangeness. I recently talked in another forum to someone who I knew beforehand was into Castenada and Dolan and Vallee. Sounded like someone interesting to talk to so I went to his forum. I found a note of his about physics and being on Jack Sarfatti's list which was even more interesting for me cause physics and a physicist friend of Sarfatti's was the reason I went looking for Ark's physics which got me here. I saw though at this other forum things like emailing Hoagland and championing things from Greer and Wendelle Stevens. There wasn't anything overtly evil liked via Hoagland et al so I was kind of just thinking the forum just didn't know the full situation for these sources.

Comments in general about not knowing who to trust were made so it didn't seem like they overly trusted everybody (frankly if I was that forum I'd probably be a little weary about the way I dropped in talking about all that stuff). Anyways I started by mentioning Ark having been on Sarfatti's list and Laura's High Stangeness (via the Dolan review) and during the conversation I kind of went from a high to apprehension to sort of depressed.

My intellect kind of kicked in and was really wondering what the depression was about and saying well I guess this will go away over the next couple of days. The apprehension made me not check any forums at all until near bedtime and that check was only cause my intellect was not wanting to be rude to on-going conversations I was in. The next day the apprehension got more like depression and I did check some forums but the first one I checked was one I hadn't written in for a while (no on-going conversations with me involved).

I posted my conversations here, Laura pointed out some things I said in a twisted way, and I sort of wondered if there was a connection between that and my strange depression but that really didn't seem related. Woke up more or less OK today other than some normally inspiring music seemed bland but I played some stuff I don't play often and it was kind of nice. So yes I would agree to be careful with these machines of ours, they seem a tad fragile.

 

[anart]

Comments in general about not knowing who to trust were made so it didn't seem like they overly trusted everybody (frankly if I was that forum I'd probably be a little weary about the way I dropped in talking about all that stuff). Anyways I started by mentioning Ark having been on Sarfatti's list and Laura's High Stangeness (via the Dolan review) and during the conversation I kind of went from a high to apprehension to sort of depressed.

Hi bluelamp, I'm wondering if you know why you would feel a 'high' when going to other forums and discussing Ark and Laura's work? I ask because it appears to be a strong clue about something.

It sounds a bit like you are setting up feeding dynamics or, perhaps, going to these forums for attention (thus feeding). Could this be possible? Could you be going to other forums and speaking about Ark and Laura as someone who is knowledgeable about them for a reason that is not obvious to your conscious mind?

If you are going and posting for attention, that would also explain the depression following things not going how that part of your mind wanted them to. Just a consideration.

 

[Joe]

Perhaps these feelings are common among true psychics and revealers. Perhaps our internal response to revealing truth is a programmed mechanism instilled in us to protect the ultimate pathocracy; that Ultra-Terrestrial predator that makes our New World Order participants look like mere ants in the scale of its hierarchy.

Perhaps in relation to the above, you should consider the comment by Gurdjieff that, "sincerity with everyone in general is weakness, slavery and even hysteria."

 

[John G]

Hi bluelamp, I'm wondering if you know why you would feel a 'high' when going to other forums and discussing Ark and Laura's work? I ask because it appears to be a strong clue about something.

Anart, this new forum was a new experience, the other forums are related to research I did before finding SOTT/Cass, and all but one of these research forums I've been in longer than SOTT/Cass. None of the current conversations in these research forums were Ark/Laura related although I do link to SOTT and Cassiopedia at times and I did yesterday link to the Cassiopedia article for prayer, it was useful in a couple ways since one member of the group (someone I've known online since the mid-90s) is currently reading In Search of the Miraculous.

The conversation in the new forum went well. It is perhaps related to owning the guy's 1973 album in vinyl.

 

[anart]

Hi bluelamp, I'm wondering if you know why you would feel a 'high' when going to other forums and discussing Ark and Laura's work? I ask because it appears to be a strong clue about something.

Anart, this new forum was a new experience, the other forums are related to research I did before finding SOTT/Cass, and all but one of these research forums I've been in longer than SOTT/Cass. None of the current conversations in these research forums were Ark/Laura related although I do link to SOTT and Cassiopedia at times and I did yesterday link to the Cassiopedia article for prayer, it was useful in a couple ways since one member of the group (someone I've known online since the mid-90s) is currently reading In Search of the Miraculous.

The conversation in the new forum went well. It is perhaps related to owning the guy's 1973 album in vinyl.

Apologies, bluelamp, but unless I'm completely misunderstanding you, this didn't even approach answering my question.

 

[John G]

Hi bluelamp, I'm wondering if you know why you would feel a 'high' when going to other forums and discussing Ark and Laura's work? I ask because it appears to be a strong clue about something.

Anart, this new forum was a new experience, the other forums are related to research I did before finding SOTT/Cass, and all but one of these research forums I've been in longer than SOTT/Cass. None of the current conversations in these research forums were Ark/Laura related although I do link to SOTT and Cassiopedia at times and I did yesterday link to the Cassiopedia article for prayer, it was useful in a couple ways since one member of the group (someone I've known online since the mid-90s) is currently reading In Search of the Miraculous.

The conversation in the new forum went well. It is perhaps related to owning the guy's 1973 album in vinyl.

Apologies, bluelamp, but unless I'm completely misunderstanding you, this didn't even approach answering my question.

Anart, well I'm thinking the high came from the guy I'm talking to being Bob Welch the former Fleetwood Mac member. From 1990 until 1996 I was in a Stevie Nicks/Fleetwood Mac forum and that was definitely a high without the low. I dated two people from that forum and before getting online at the age of 29, my entire dating career consisted of two dates with one person my parents set me up with. I also got to email Stevie Nicks' one and only fan mail handler, met someone who used to work at Stevie's Mom's antique store (actually turned down a backstage pass via her). It was quite fun and opened me up quite a bit.

I married someone via the religion board of that forum and there was even some Stevie Nicks synchronicity there. My dad wanted to show us real mountains so he took us to Denver and I'm reading the paper at the hotel and there's a Stevie Nicks article, there's a concert that night, I saw her earlier in the tour, didn't know about Denver it was a late addition. So I dragged my parents to Fiddler's Green and get there just before the gates close and at that moment I'm about an hour away from where my soon to meet wife to be was born while my wife to be was living about an hour away from where Stevie Nicks was born. When I first met my wife, during the visit we actually kissed on the 2nd floor of Nicks' Mom's antique store.

There's even some Stevie Nicks' synchronicity relating our daughters to the signature I use here. Stevie Nicks synchronicity has been huge for me. The mabinogion and Bran the Blessed via Rhiannon. In one forum created from people who presented at the University of Arizona's Quantum Mind 2003 conference, someone from the City University of New York sent me a chapter from a novel she was writing that set the mabinogion in futuristic times. It was quite good.

Bob Welch certainly fits in the category of Stevie Nicks synchronicity for me.

 

[truth seeker]

Hi Bluelamp,

I was wondering if you've tried the EE program yet? The reason I ask is because you said this:

I posted my conversations here, Laura pointed out some things I said in a twisted way, and I sort of wondered if there was a connection between that and my strange depression but that really didn't seem related. Woke up more or less OK today other than some normally inspiring music seemed bland but I played some stuff I don't play often and it was kind of nice.

Perhaps I'm off, let me know, but it seems as though you may have missed an opportunity to understand what was depressing you.

Also, you said:

Anyways I started by mentioning Ark having been on Sarfatti's list and Laura's High Stangeness (via the Dolan review) and during the conversation I kind of went from a high to apprehension to sort of depressed.

Do you know what happened to cause this (meaning what may have been said that you were not anticipating)? Because you described the depression as strange, I'm assuming (perhaps incorrectly) that this is not a medical/psychological condition such as manic depression but rather something that occurs every now and then. The diet section on this forum may provide some help with this.

Another thought: When I was a teenager, I had an obsession with someone famous. I too saw syncronous events happening and felt that these "confirmations" were some kind of sign. I'm reading "Trapped In the Mirror" this week and made what I think may be some valid connections concerning not only that time, but others in my life that relate to relationships with men. One conclusion I've come to (this is new, so I may be off) is that I was using this fantasy of this person as a substitute for a real relationship. It was safe to have this perceived connection with someone who was unattainable and also unknown. I could project onto this person what it was that I longed for. What I think I longed for was the safety of knowing someone who could never disappoint me the way my parents (and I think more specifically my father) had. Please let me know if this is not clear as I'm thinking about this as I write...

I think this is what happens when someone feels they have a connection to someone they don't not know. A rich fantasy life becomes the substitute for real life. Again correct me, but I think what may have happened in the exchange you refer to is that, that person said something to you that didn't match with the idea you had of what you thought would happen. "How can this happen to me when it has been so "obvious" through these synchronicities that this was supposed to happen instead?

You may be looking for a surrogate to replace one or both parents and project this illusion to everyone you come into contact with including your wife. In terms of Laura and Ark, perhaps they are in some way becoming like surrogates to you in your mind or you could be using this situation (at the forum) to get closer to Stevie Nicks. Just a thought.

I can tell you this, the imagination is an amazing thing, everything is perfect and if it isn't we can change it. Everyone is under our complete control. They never (or rarely) say or do anything that disappoints us. Real life and real people are not perfect. As a teenager, when I found out that this person got married, I went into a deep depression for days and searched frantically for any information that would restore my illusion. I eventually got past that and discovered other ways of deluding myself!

Anyway, that's my two bits.

 

[John G]

I was wondering if you've tried the EE program yet? ...Perhaps I'm off, let me know, but it seems as though you may have missed an opportunity to understand what was depressing you... I can tell you this, the imagination is an amazing thing, everything is perfect and if it isn't we can change it.

Hi truth seeker, my wife and I did the EE together a couple times and really liked it but she kind of got too busy and we haven't done it since. She said I should just do it without her but I don't really want to do that. My wife once was recovering from surgury using one of those breathing things they give you in the hospital and the nurse mentioned if you want to add a few years to your life breath deeper. So I've kind of done deep breathing on my own every now and then for quite a while now and after EE I kind of just changed it to a 6-3-9-3 pattern so I'm sort of doing a very miniture EE every now and then.

My "normal" personality is decribed by David Keirsey (who very briefly via his son saw the original version of my first paper) as this:

The INFP questor probably has more problems in mating than any other types. Let us be mindful of their relative infrequency: about 1 1/4 percent, say two and a half million people in the USA. Their problem lies in their primary outlook on life. "Life," says the INFP, "is a very serious matter." Now when a person makes his life a kind of crusade or a series of crusades, then there's bound to be some taxing of the spouse. If the INFP takes the other tack, the "monastic" (and the same person can tack back and forth - now a crusader, now a monastic), the spouse will find himself again taxed, trying to draw the monastic out of his dark meditative cave.

I'm thinking I went monastic right in the middle of a perfectly fine conversation. One of my problems is online I'm way too crusading and in person I'm way too monastic. It was my in person self who turned down the backstage pass. In spite of my online fanaticism, I've only been to four Stevie Nicks concerts, the two in the same tour that I mentioned and two after I got married when I wasn't even an online groupie any more. My in person self has had lots of trouble living up to my online setups. The dates in hindsight (and my early marriage) were disasters especially compared with my online setups. My presentation at the University of Arizona was a disaster (although I did get a nice online forum group out of it!).

Perhaps with Bob Welch, my older wiser in person monastic self just kicked in and told my online crusading set up artist self, enough is enough, what the heck are you getting us into now! Synchronicity in general is something you can take out of the picture and for me just look at the crusader/monastic interplay. If the synchronicity is there, it's there, if it isn't it isn't, the events are still the same. Stevie Nicks just happens to be a useful area of expertise for my online crusader.

 

[anart]

I was wondering if you've tried the EE program yet? ...Perhaps I'm off, let me know, but it seems as though you may have missed an opportunity to understand what was depressing you... I can tell you this, the imagination is an amazing thing, everything is perfect and if it isn't we can change it.

Hi truth seeker, my wife and I did the EE together a couple times and really liked it but she kind of got too busy and we haven't done it since. She said I should just do it without her but I don't really want to do that. My wife once was recovering from surgury using one of those breathing things they give you in the hospital and the nurse mentioned if you want to add a few years to your life breath deeper. So I've kind of done deep breathing on my own every now and then for quite a while now and after EE I kind of just changed it to a 6-3-9-3 pattern so I'm sort of doing a very miniture EE every now and then.

The EE program, as designed, is extremely powerful and beneficial, thus our focus on it of late. Waiting for someone else to do it so you do it isn't exactly acting in favor of ones own destiny.

My "normal" personality is decribed by David Keirsey (who very briefly via his son saw the original version of my first paper) as this:

The words of a stranger who has never met you face to face hold no candle to knowing thyself, bluelamp. You appear to be hemmed in on all sides by people whose opinions/talents/false personalities you hold in greater esteem than your own.

If you'd like to awaken from that dream state, EE is a good place to start.

Synchronicity in general is something you can take out of the picture and for me just look at the crusader/monastic interplay. If the synchronicity is there, it's there, if it isn't it isn't, the events are still the same. Stevie Nicks just happens to be a useful area of expertise for my online crusader.

Synchronicity almost always comes to us courtesy of 4D STS, so your fanaticism has fed into that and it sounds like you've been led along quite well. It's your choice, of course, but all the tools you need to see things more clearly are on this forum if you'd like to utilize them.

 

[truth seeker]

My "normal" personality is decribed by David Keirsey (who very briefly via his son saw the original version of my first paper) as this:

The INFP questor probably has more problems in mating than any other types. Let us be mindful of their relative infrequency: about 1 1/4 percent, say two and a half million people in the USA. Their problem lies in their primary outlook on life. "Life," says the INFP, "is a very serious matter." Now when a person makes his life a kind of crusade or a series of crusades, then there's bound to be some taxing of the spouse. If the INFP takes the other tack, the "monastic" (and the same person can tack back and forth - now a crusader, now a monastic), the spouse will find himself again taxed, trying to draw the monastic out of his dark meditative cave.

I was a little confused by what you were saying in this quote. The labels of monastic and crusader was what threw me off as I don't know what they mean in relation to Myers-Briggs. I remember doing this test somewhere around high school/college in the desperate hope that this would give me some clue as to who I was. It didn't work for me as too many questions were left unanswered.

As Anart stated,

The words of a stranger who has never met you face to face hold no candle to knowing thyself...

This allows someone else to define you which is limiting. If you don't know who you are anyone can essentially come up to you and say anything to you and have you believe it.

It seems to me that perhaps these various labels are used as an excuse to take responsibility for one's actions. "I fall in this category of personality traits and there's nothing I can do about it." How do you know for sure that the INFP label is your true personality?

I'm thinking I went monastic right in the middle of a perfectly fine conversation. One of my problems is online I'm way too crusading and in person I'm way too monastic. It was my in person self who turned down the backstage pass. In spite of my online fanaticism, I've only been to four Stevie Nicks concerts, the two in the same tour that I mentioned and two after I got married when I wasn't even an online groupie any more. My in person self has had lots of trouble living up to my online setups. The dates in hindsight (and my early marriage) were disasters especially compared with my online setups. My presentation at the University of Arizona was a disaster (although I did get a nice online forum group out of it!).

Again, the labels of crusader and monastic confuse the issue for me. They seem to deflect from the real issue. The reason it seems that your depression was triggered was because you were turned down for a backstage pass. What did getting that backstage pass mean to you? Why is it so important?

While you seem to downplay your interest in Stevie Nicks, you seem to have spent a good portion of your life tracking this person. What is it about this person that fosters so much interest? What is it about this person that holds meaning for your life?

Stevie Nicks just happens to be a useful area of expertise for my online crusader.

A little confused again, can you clarify what you mean by this?


Moderator's note: Edited to add the missing "end of quotes".

 

[John G]

The EE program, as designed, is extremely powerful and beneficial, thus our focus on it of late. Waiting for someone else to do it so you do it isn't exactly acting in favor of ones own destiny... The words of a stranger who has never met you face to face hold no candle to knowing thyself, bluelamp. You appear to be hemmed in on all sides by people whose opinions/talents/false personalities you hold in greater esteem than your own. If you'd like to awaken from that dream state, EE is a good place to start. Synchronicity almost always comes to us courtesy of 4D STS.

In person I do have a problem with going with the flow too much which unfortuneately is not including the EE air flow right now.

That was just Keirsey's generic description for an INFP. Neither he nor his son knew I was an INFP, that's totally my call, I do have my own model and descriptors for an INFP, mine are just more blunt so I can treat them with the math of Tony Smith (who himself relates in his way his math and physics to personality models).

I realize this is all lower centers stuff but the higher centers have a head-heart-gut structure too, I've read the very nice stuff on that in Cassiopedia relating centers, Chakras, and densities. The lower centers just seem to have a born with fixed bias with respect to the head-heart-gut structure. My thinking is the higher centers would be what got me here in spite of myself and they aren't biased.

Well with or without synchronicity I went from David Keirsey to John Fudjack to Tony Smith to Ark so I would say there's some baby too not to be thrown out with the bathwater.

I certainly have some bias problems. I can't get a job cause I don't interview well at all (the only job I've ever had for 18 years at IBM I didn't have to interview for). My son is even worse than me (it's half genetic), he had his own set of hand signals with his teacher and his pediatrician has never heard him speak (she asks is anybody worried?) There's a girl who exasperatingly complains to my wife (who teaches there), "why won't he talk to me!"

My son by the way is an IXXJ so he he's a J not a P like me and I'm not sure yet about the Xs. The I and J I was able to correctly predict when he was a baby, the others you have to wait until he's about 5 and since he's 11 now I should possibly be able to now but I can't though it's not something I've really tried to do. It's the strong I (Introvert) where we really share a problem. That I and destiny just don't seem to go together well. I gotta go drop stuff off at school, back later.

 

[John G]

I was a little confused by what you were saying in this quote. The labels of monastic and crusader was what threw me off as I don't know what they mean in relation to Myers-Briggs. I remember doing this test somewhere around high school/college in the desperate hope that this would give me some clue as to who I was. It didn't work for me as too many questions were left unanswered... The reason it seems that your depression was triggered was because you were turned down for a backstage pass... While you seem to downplay your interest in Stevie Nicks, you seem to have spent a good portion of your life tracking this person.

Well at one point and sort of still now I wanted to make a career out of personality theory. Here's my latest paper:

http://www.vixra.org/pdf/0910.0023v1.pdf

At IBM before I got laid off, I had personality theory in my performance plan and used manuals from an IBM consultant as part of the research for the paper I wrote. I also while at IBM co-authored an article with James Reynierse who was on the editorial board for the Journal of Psychological Type which is the main journal for the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI). MBTI being a registered trademark. They are real sticklers for their trademark. They once emailed me and said nice paper but please include our trademark (which annoyed the editor of the e-journal with my paper cause he does have the trademark mentioned on the front page of the e-journal). The article (actually conversation) I co-wrote with Reynierse is the first link in the paper linked to above.

The backstage pass offer was 15 years ago and it was me who turned it down when it was offered, I was an online groupie not an in-person groupie plus it would mean more for other Stevie fans. The forum discussion with Bob Welch was in the last week; I really don't know what depressed me, I just threw out my best guess via Keirsey.

In college at the age of around 20 I wrote a paper for a Writing course about my favorite songs. Abba's Knowing Me Knowing You was first followed by Lindsey Buckingham's (of Fleetwood Mac) Go Your Own Way. I don't even think I mentioned Stevie Nicks though her voice is certainly what caused me to get the Rumours album at age 14 even though I ended up liking Buckingham's song better by college.

It was really the intense on-line Stevie Nicks fans that got me really into Stevie Nicks . I had Heart albums too and Ann and Nancy Wilson actually showed up in their forum but it was those intense Stevie fans I really liked. I dated one in New Jersey and one in Chicago, I could have dated two others if I was interested in "non-serious" relationships.