What's the weather where you are?

[Deleted member 8431]

Thanks for your concern guys and take care as well! It will be harsh indeed. We're expecting 90 km/h winds, snow/rain and then a huge drop in temperature for the night. Everything is going to be icy and dangerous yet again.

When I see the weather in Canada and in USA I can see that yes, we are really in the Ice Age, his first breath, cold and terrible. Are people seeing and understanding what is happening?

Exactly my thoughts. Seems like a good start so to speak. There clearly has been a shift is weather patterns. I can't even compare with last winter. It's worst. There are extreme cold warnings at the weather channel regularly now. Funny because I remember being told our winters would displeasure. Not only is it colder, we have more snow that the average. It reminds me of the article on SOTT where scientists explained that the last Ice Age set in so fast it was like a button being pressed.

People, on the other hand, aren't seeing crap here. They complain about the cold (which is understandable) but don't see anything abnormal because we're in Quebec and have seen coldness of the sort before. They really don't see the larger picture. In fact, many almost think that the Arctic is getting close to being like Cuba as we speak.

 

[Leòmhann]

JM, please take good care ... I'm subscribed to all kinds of govt alerts (incl weather) ever since we had some kind of Fed Agent equipment supply hoarding (shields, computers, and such) event take place this past fall in an apartment building next to us - wish I had a penny for every weather alert I've been getting since then because I'd be pretty well set already (and to think it's just early Jan) ... yikes

 

[loreta]

What I am seeing lately in Facebook is that the weather and the cold is the Subject, the new subject for many,many people. But even tough, they don't seem to connect the dots. ;) We are really lucky to be in this forum, it gives perspective.

Something is happening. Even here, in Las Palmas. It is almost cold at night and this is not normal. But even if you talk to people of the abnormality of this sort of cold they don't seem to care. Because they don't have any idea about Ice Age. They don't know. They are lost.

 

[Laura]

On the Raw Story website - confirmed Global Warming propagandists - they have an article:

Conservative snow-trolling of global warming expected to reach record highs today
_http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/01/06/conservative-snow-trolling-of-global-warming-expected-to-reach-record-highs-today/

The thing is, people who say we are not facing long-term global warming are all lumped together as "climate change deniers", usually conservatives, and all about rampant capitalism which includes destroying the environment. On the other side, are the "liberals/progressives" such as the Raw Story peeps who have drunk the Global Warming kool aid.

Well, that's not our point here: we DO say CLIMATE CHANGE IS REAL. It just ain't long-term global warming: it's the onset of an Ice Age.

Anyway, here's the Global Warmists explanation for all of the excessive cold weather:

Conservatives are having a field day “sticking it” to liberals about the weather. They have no time for scientific theories like “Arctic amplification,” which only perfectly models how general warming trends can lead to increasingly severe cold snaps. After all, like evolution, Arctic amplification is “just a theory.”...

The larger conservative outlets are following suit, refusing to acknowledge that cold weather could be a cascade effect of global warming.

Obviously what we are seeing here is a "framing of the debate." The REAL DEAL - that a FREAKING ICE AGE is coming, is just simply off the table! Not allowed to be even mentioned! It's either fundie Christians screaming "no global warming" (and associating that position with fruitcakes) or it is liberals/progressives/anti-war types, social welfare promoters that are hollering "Global Warming".

It's all pretty sick and slick. There's a propaganda program for everyone, but nobody wants the truth.

 

[luke wilson]

I was silly and opened my mouth today. I know I know, strategic enclosure, external consideration and the like, but sometimes you just have to take the plunge and see what comes of it, obviously the usual, as in, lost energy, exhaustion etc but there are gems to be found in the struggle and battering. For example I heard some new comebacks today that I hadn't come across.

Global warming can lead to an ice age i.e. the arrival of an ice age doesn't disprove global warming. I had no comeback to that.

Tried to drop climategate into the convo, new info was laid on my lap that I didn't know. Apparently some high level committee was tasked with getting to the bottom of the whole thing. Guess what they found? It was a farce. No comeback.

The global warmists have covered there backs real good.

Also is it me or is it really annoying when google keeps on bringing up beforeitsnews or some conspiracy site as the top link to some 'alternative' theories. I am starting to get a whole new image of some of these sites... like they are there to discredit certain theories by associating themselves with them after doing all that is possible to lose all credibility in the eyes of the average joe.

 

[Laura]

Also is it me or is it really annoying when google keeps on bringing up beforeitsnews or some conspiracy site as the top link to some 'alternative' theories. I am starting to get a whole new image of some of these sites... like they are there to discredit certain theories by associating themselves with them after doing all that is possible to lose all credibility in the eyes of the average joe.

Yup, that seems to be the case. Or it's fundie sites associated with "Global Warming Denial" and AGW sites are associated with "socialists". Notice also the promoters of "chemtrails" and "weather wars". That's a big part of the nonsense.

It really is like ancient Rome where the propaganda, spewed by "famous orators", was as low as anything ever got.

 

[Eboard10]

It really amazes me how these weather changes keep on getting wilder every year. While North America is suffering one of it's worst winters, Europe is seeing surprisingly mild temperatures for this time of the year.

But what really worries me the most about this cold snap is the effect it is having on agriculture, crops and consequently livestock too. If this keeps on going, food prices will skyrocket and with an ever increasing part of the country relying on food stamps to survive, conditions will get a lot worse for many.

 

[Skyalmian]

Wow.

 

[Joe]

On the Raw Story website - confirmed Global Warming propagandists - they have an article:

Conservative snow-trolling of global warming expected to reach record highs today
_http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/01/06/conservative-snow-trolling-of-global-warming-expected-to-reach-record-highs-today/

The thing is, people who say we are not facing long-term global warming are all lumped together as "climate change deniers", usually conservatives, and all about rampant capitalism which includes destroying the environment. On the other side, are the "liberals/progressives" such as the Raw Story peeps who have drunk the Global Warming kool aid.

Well, that's not our point here: we DO say CLIMATE CHANGE IS REAL. It just ain't long-term global warming: it's the onset of an Ice Age.

Anyway, here's the Global Warmists explanation for all of the excessive cold weather:

Conservatives are having a field day “sticking it” to liberals about the weather. They have no time for scientific theories like “Arctic amplification,” which only perfectly models how general warming trends can lead to increasingly severe cold snaps. After all, like evolution, Arctic amplification is “just a theory.”...

The larger conservative outlets are following suit, refusing to acknowledge that cold weather could be a cascade effect of global warming.

Obviously what we are seeing here is a "framing of the debate." The REAL DEAL - that a FREAKING ICE AGE is coming, is just simply off the table! Not allowed to be even mentioned! It's either fundie Christians screaming "no global warming" (and associating that position with fruitcakes) or it is liberals/progressives/anti-war types, social welfare promoters that are hollering "Global Warming".

It's all pretty sick and slick. There's a propaganda program for everyone, but nobody wants the truth.

The real bone of contention here is what is causing it. I have no problem accepting that there is (or has been) warming going on, but the evidence suggests such warming leads to dramatic cooling in the NH. But what is causing it? Humans? Unlikely. Volcanic eruptions have, historically, been the main one of the contributors to cold spells, mini and maxi ice ages. If you add in the startling number of meteor and fireball sightings and "booms" over the past 8 years, you understand that our atmosphere is being loaded with dust that blocks out sunlight, heats the polar vortex over the Arctic, which then moves south and the whole thing flips into a new "ice age" which just means that the current location of the arctic ice cap changes/moves (south).

The real point that blows the AGW out of the water is that the really problematic warming takes places in the upper atmosphere due to volcanic and comet/meteor dust loading. This dust traps solar radiation in the upper atmosphere and heats it up, including things like the Arctic polar vortex, which then breaks down and meanders south with the help of the jet stream (to which it is linked).

 

[angelburst29]

(CNN) - A 69-point drop. That's what New York suffered as the city awoke to a wind chill temperature of 14 below zero on Tuesday -- down from a wind chill temperature of 55 on Monday.

And that's just a tiny pinpoint on a largely frozen solid nation.

_http://www.kvia.com/news/train-passengers-stranded-as-polar-vortex-freezes-nation/-/391068/23806224/-/q6xdt3/-/index.html

From Boston to Washington to Atlanta, the polar vortex kept swinging Tuesday, a frozen ice chest hovering over more than 100 million people.

Temperatures in many areas were in the single digits, and well below zero with wind chills.

In the Deep South, hard freeze warnings were in effect from eastern Texas to the Florida Panhandle.

Farmers in Florida were keeping an eye on crops, concerned about a possible freeze.

Authorities have blamed at least 15 deaths on the cold so far, including 11 from traffic accidents and two involving hypothermia.

Two thousand flights were canceled within, into or out of the United States on Tuesday morning, according to flightaware.com.


_http://spaceweather.com/

CME IMPACT: A coronal mass ejection (CME) hit Earth's magnetic field on Jan. 7th at approximately 1500 UT. The glancing impact did not immediately spark a geomagnetic storm. However, storm conditions could develop as Earth travels through the CME's wake. High latitude sky watchers should remain alert for auroras. Aurora alerts: text, voice.

HUGE SUNSPOT TARGETS EARTH: One of the biggest sunspots in years is crossing the center of the solar disk, putting Earth in the way of potential eruptions. Rocky Raybell photographed the active region named "AR1944" yesterday from his backyard in Keller, Washington:

Although AR1944 has been mostly quiet for days, flares are in the offing. The sunspot has an unstable 'beta-gamma-delta' magnetic field that could erupt at any time. NOAA forecasters estimate a 75% chance of M-class flares and a 30% chance of X-flares on Jan. 7th.

 

[Deleted member 8431]

I was silly and opened my mouth today. I know I know, strategic enclosure, external consideration and the like, but sometimes you just have to take the plunge and see what comes of it, obviously the usual, as in, lost energy, exhaustion etc but there are gems to be found in the struggle and battering. For example I heard some new comebacks today that I hadn't come across.

Global warming can lead to an ice age i.e. the arrival of an ice age doesn't disprove global warming. I had no comeback to that.

Tried to drop climategate into the convo, new info was laid on my lap that I didn't know. Apparently some high level committee was tasked with getting to the bottom of the whole thing. Guess what they found? It was a farce. No comeback.

The global warmists have covered there backs real good.

Once I decided to ask a global warmist what he thought about the raising geological activity (straight question, no denial of anything).

He said that it is caused by global warming. No kidding. He said that the melting North Pole is getting ''less heavy'' on the Earth's crust which provokes earthquakes all over the planet.

That's it. I'm done with these guys.

 

[Eboard10]

The real bone of contention here is what is causing it. I have no problem accepting that there is (or has been) warming going on, but the evidence suggests such warming leads to dramatic cooling in the NH. But what is causing it? Humans? Unlikely. Volcanic eruptions have, historically, been the main one of the contributors to cold spells, mini and maxi ice ages. If you add in the startling number of meteor and fireball sightings and "booms" over the past 8 years, you understand that our atmosphere is being loaded with dust that blocks out sunlight, heats the polar vortex over the Arctic, which then moves south and the whole thing flips into a new "ice age" which just means that the current location of the arctic ice cap changes/moves (south).

The real point that blows the AGW out of the water is that the really problematic warming takes places in the upper atmosphere due to volcanic and comet/meteor dust loading. This dust traps solar radiation in the upper atmosphere and heats it up, including things like the Arctic polar vortex, which then breaks down and meanders south with the help of the jet stream (to which it is linked).

Thanks for this invaluable explanation of the effects of volcanic and cometary dust on our atmosphere and the polar vortex. It really makes things a lot clearer now.

Have you thought about making an article on SOTT? It would reach out to a much wider audience IMO.

Btw, I remember reading a similar post that you wrote in another topic but I just can't seem to find it anymore.

 

[Laura]

The real bone of contention here is what is causing it. I have no problem accepting that there is (or has been) warming going on, but the evidence suggests such warming leads to dramatic cooling in the NH. But what is causing it? Humans? Unlikely. Volcanic eruptions have, historically, been the main one of the contributors to cold spells, mini and maxi ice ages. If you add in the startling number of meteor and fireball sightings and "booms" over the past 8 years, you understand that our atmosphere is being loaded with dust that blocks out sunlight, heats the polar vortex over the Arctic, which then moves south and the whole thing flips into a new "ice age" which just means that the current location of the arctic ice cap changes/moves (south).

The real point that blows the AGW out of the water is that the really problematic warming takes places in the upper atmosphere due to volcanic and comet/meteor dust loading. This dust traps solar radiation in the upper atmosphere and heats it up, including things like the Arctic polar vortex, which then breaks down and meanders south with the help of the jet stream (to which it is linked).

Thanks for this invaluable explanation of the effects of volcanic and cometary dust on our atmosphere and the polar vortex. It really makes things a lot clearer now.

Actually, I think that this explanation of the "polar vortex" is not correct.

The aberrations in the polar vortex are not caused by it being heated and breaking down. The most likely cause of the aberrations of the vortex are 1) slowing of the planet; 2) weakening of the magnetic field. 3) comet dust causing the upper atmosphere to become COLDER and fall lower, compressing the troposphere. 4) other factors.

The jet stream isn't warming the poles though the meandering is keeping some areas warmer than normal as long as they are BELOW the jet stream itself.

The SURFACE of the planet was, for a period of time (as reported in numerous stories back some 5/6 years ago, actually warming. There were reports of many hot-spots in various places, in some cases, hot enough to ignite. This is now being countered by surface cooling due to other factors, probably global dimming/induction of colder air (see below). This heating of the lithosphere is probably due to the slowing of rotation which generates internal heat between the lithosphere and the mantle, and leads to increased volcanic eruptions, earthquakes, sinkholes, etc, and is probably also responsible for many of the strange sounds.

It is the UPPER atmosphere - the stratosphere - that is cooling and that is the reason for sun pillars, rings around the sun, double/triple/quadruple images of the sun, contrails, etc.

Volcanic dust does not heat the upper atmosphere by "trapping heat" in the stratosphere. That the stratosphere is colder and has dropped lower has been reported by scientists, though that information gets sidelined. The AGW folks would LOVE people to believe that nonsense.

Then, there is the comet dust/smoke in the upper atmosphere that further contributes to the cooling as you can see from the dramatic increase in noctilucent clouds.

AT THE SAME TIME that is going on, the quiescent sun and the earth's weakened magnetic field allow more cosmic radiation to reach the TROPOSPHERE where it forms cloud nuclei and increases precipitation from the increased evaporation from the oceans caused by the increasing heat within the earth caused by the slowing of rotation.

These are all the conditions for the initiation of an ICE age: heat at the lower levels, troposphere where "weather" takes place, extreme cold at the upper levels of the atmosphere, which can then create interesting effects including polar vortexs. A polar vortex is, I think, an induction of the very, very, very coldness of space onto our planet thanks to the above mentioned factors.

 

[Al Today]

[...]
an induction of the very, very, very coldness of space onto our planet
[...]

I know I inhabit a chemistry bag of flesh, bones and water. That many of my emotions are chemically induced. There is something wrong with my thoughts, my attitude, my life...

But the above comment almost makes me ill for some reason. My stomach churns. My head now hurts. I am stopped dead in my tracks. I am thinking nothing right now around me is important. I want to drop everything and go outside to smoke and stare upwards.

 

[3DStudent]

But the above comment almost makes me ill for some reason. My stomach churns. My head now hurts. I am stopped dead in my tracks. I am thinking nothing right now around me is important. I want to drop everything and go outside to smoke and stare upwards.

Yeah, to realize how vulnerable we are can be pretty depressing, or sobering depending on how you look at it. Just a few miles of air separates us from space. It reminds me too of The Day After Tomorrow.

Yesterday it was in the single digits Fahrenheit in Maryland, wind chills made the night -10 to -20. Today's mid 20's doesn't seem so bad. I don't know how we'd take this kind of thing on a regular basis. And with some places -40, -60, that is not good!