Writings and works by Elena Ivanovich Roerich and her husband Nicholas Konstantinovich Roerich

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Elena Ivanovich Roerich (1879-1955) Eng Wiki, Ru Wiki was the wife of the perhaps better known Russian painter Nicholas Konstantinovich Roerich (1874-1947) Eng Wiki, Ru Wiki. If anyone is interested in Wiki details and isn't intimidated by some translation, the Russian Wikis are substantially longer, which reflects that the associations around their work have been more active in Russia and in a broader sense in the area of the former USSR.

The initial curiosity was to find out more about the work of the artist Nicholas Roerich, which led to a follow-up post about The Rose of the World by Daniel Andreev, and comments on an except from the transcripts where the Roerichs are mentioned beginning with this post in Session 15 April 2000.

What was left were some so-called prophecies made by the Elena Roerich, with a couple attributed to her husband even. Initially I thought, okay a post in Predictions and Prophecies and done. In the preparation for the post, I began to look for the references and discovered several had taken the predictions somewhat out of context, and began to wonder if there is a tendency in some groups to be occupied with prophecies regarding what will happen and less about the basis for how the "prophets" reached their conclusions, how they lived their lives and viewed life as a whole. Applied to this situation, if I just went ahead and posted the alleged predictions of Elena Roerich with a sole focus on prophecy, would that be fair?

In general, what the Roerich were writing can be glanced from the Wikis and similar biographical accounts. If one wishes to read then there are some options:
Elena Roerich English I am not sure all has been published, she wrote many diaries and letters and while very much has been typed up, some discussion and work has been ongoing until rather recently.​
Nikolai Roerich books English Among his "works" were besides writings around 7000 paintings.​
Elena and Nicholas Roerich Russian (Some also here).​

A case of misquoting that opened a can of worms
In this article, Predictions of Nicholas and Elena Roerich about Russia. there are alleged quotes. In this post, it will just be one of them, which translated gives::
Prediction of Nicholas Roerich: "My rod is over Russia. Russia is a country of future greatness. The Creator strengthens it with spiritual benefits."
However the context is missing and the source is not listed. Roerich Karelia has on the VK page a post, but again, there was no exact reference. After more searching I found the forum of a group that has worked on typing up the content of diaries of Elena Roerich, moreover they have also screenshots of the original handwriting. Not that it is readable, but it is still something. Although I could not find the exact wording there are indications and expression that are close to what was claimed.

Re: Notebook No. I ("The Call", 24.03.1920 - 24.02.1922) [1]
Message URUSVATI'S TETRADS » 20 Aug 2019, 23:27
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Re: Notebook No. I ("The Call", 24.03.1920 - 24.02.1922) [1]
Message URUSVATI'S TETRADS » 20 Aug 2019, 23:28

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dispersing and approving the Light. Ch [istyakov] can show a selfless work of love for the spiritual development of young people, which will become the basis of the Russian movement. M [oria] pr[inal] R[ossia] management. When we build Russia in the desert, we will reveal a strange Ruler, and He will descend from the ancient walls and overshadow the minds. Russia is the future. Leave It to Us to decide. The worthless ones will leave. A plan for the development of a New Race is being wisely decided. You are in it too. Our power needs workers who have seen the path of Russia. R[erikh] will explain the importance of the idea, and Urusvati will give you the paths of the books.
To Ch[istyakov]. Moria will be with you in love and wisdom. Combine your new wisdom with your life that is unknown to others.
"Power," explanation of the vision. A hand holding a round object, and two other hands holding an elongated object on something dark. All of this was presented to M. M[oria]. Moria accepted the scepter of Russia's governance. During the vision, a voice said in English, "You must know that He is the King. You must remember that He is the King." You must remember that He is the King. The Teacher's voice is K[ut -] X[umi].
Visions from November 12 to 13.
1. The Teacher's hand revealed two blue rays of startling beauty and power from a cylindrical object of purple electric color. The effect of these rays was felt all over the body.
2. The Teacher's hand pressed a metal plate covered with some signs to my chest, there was a strong feeling of touch.
3. The Teacher's hand was pointing at the clock face. A star shone in place of the number eight. The Teacher's hand moved the hands, and paused slightly at the number 2, then moved to eight, where a star shone, and from the star two rays lit up - blue and pink-purple, which, combining their radiance, gave a pure royal purple [English: royal purple].
4. The Master's hand revealed a crown with a glittering stone.

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Re: Notebook No. I ("The Call", 24.03.1920 - 24.02.1922) [1]
Message URUSVATI'S TETRADS » 20 Aug 2019, 23:34
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8/XII-1921. Evening. [Present] P [etr] Al [lekseyevich] H [istyako] V. My sweet soul, where are you going? The revealed Good is close to you and your path is not through earthly India. Do not expect consolation from the leaves of books, but from the mountains of Tib[eta] the fragrance of the knowledge of truth will invisibly enter and comfort your heart, but carry My message to young hearts. By My image you will know My chosen ones, and you will bring stones to the temple of the Living God. Calm your spirit and work for the benefit of the motherland. My shield is over R [ossia] and I have blessed the Battle of Kulikovo. I will send signs, and the Russian heart will rejoice. Show your cheerfulness. A hand, I suppose. Quite.
Note:Looking up Battle of Kulikovo it took place in Russia in the 14th century.
The above excerpts read like a variety of interdensity communication, and maybe it is. What she said about Russia took place many years before WWII, in fact Vladimir Lenin was still the head of what in the year following the above writings,1922, became the USSR, the civil war had hardly finished and Leon Trotsky was an important person. How could Elena Roerich come up statements like these about Russia at such a time?

Who was the "Moriah" Elena Roerich had contact with?
It is easier to ask the question than to answer it. Below are some notes:
Morya (Theosophy) mentions Helena Petrovna Blavatsky (1831-1891).The Russian Wiki for Morya (Theosophy) writes in relation to Elena Roerich:
The source base of Agni Yoga (Living Ethics) is the same as that of Blavatsky's "Secret Doctrine", translated into Russian by Elena Roerich [15]. According to the creators of the Living Ethics, Nicholas and Elena Roerich, the teaching arose in the process of communication between them and the "Great Teacher", known in theosophical circles under the name of Mahatma Moria[16]. This communication continued in the 1920s and 1940s [17]. The question of the existence of a person who could be identified with the Roerich Mahatma Moria also remains controversial to this day [18] [19]. From Elena's diary entries Roerich notes that at the first stages, so-called automatic writing was used for communication[20] [21], further recordings were obtained by clairaudience[21] [22], which, according to her own statement, Elena Roerich possessed. Later, she claimed that she herself did not use automatic writing to contact the Great Teacher[23]. The basis of the Agni Yoga teaching consists of 14 books with texts described by Elena Roerich as a record of these conversations. The last of these books, Above ground, was first published in 1990.

Elena Roerich's diaries are a chronicle of her communication with Mahatma Moria, or the Great Master: information obtained by clairaudience, answers to questions, visions, and comments on what is happening[24]. Roerich considered herself clairvoyant and clairaudient[25], but she did not consider this mediumship and wrote in her letters:

"From the books of the Teaching, you can see how much Vladyka M. warns against all magic and in what strong terms Vladyka speaks against mediumship and any violent mechanical methods for opening centers recommended by irresponsible pseudo-occult schools. Where Lord M. is, there are no mechanical techniques or magical signs. " [4]

The opinion of Agni Yoga devotees about Elena Blavatsky's contacts with Teachers is reflected in some modern philosophical publications in Russia. So, Doctor of Philosophy Viktor Frolov, Executive Secretary of the International Center of the Roerichs, in the article "Short Philosophical Dictionary" informs:

Blavatsky did not call herself the creator of the system, but only the guide of Higher Forces, the keeper of the innermost knowledge of Teachers, Mahatmas, from whom she received all the theosophical truths [26].

Dictionary of Russian Philosophy in the article about ElenaBlavatsky authorship of a supporter of the doctrine of "Living Ethics"[27] Candidate of Philosophical Sciences Larisa Krashkina gives the following interpretation of Mahatma Moria's collaboration with Blavatsky:

In 1851, in London, Blavatsky met with her Teacher Mahatma Moria, a descendant of the Punjab rulers in India … <... > On behalf of the Mahatmas, B.[lavatskaya] was the first messenger of hidden knowledge in the West [28].
In The New Age of Russia. Occult and Esoteric Dimensions [One of the editors, Birgit Menzel, has a pdf on her Academia page.] there is a the chapter by Markus Osterrieder, Political Occultism and Social Messianism in the Activities of Nicholas Roerich
According to Theosophical tradition, the “Masters” were beings of ineffable spiritual development and wisdom; the most famous ones were Koot Hoomi and Morya, supposedly residents of Shigatse in Tibet. At the same time, already Elena Petrovna Blavatsky (hereafter referred to as HPB) claimed that they were incarnated, mortal men in flesh and blood. In this, the Roerichs, who joined the Theosophical Society in London in 1920, made no exception. They claimed to have met the Master Morya for the first time on March 24, 1920, in London’s Hyde Park, the same spot where HPB also met her Asian teacher. Since this initial encounter, the Roerichs claimed to have received regular messages from “Morya”; indeed, on the same day, Elena Ivanovna began to note down the content of the spiritual messages transmitted to her.13 They came to believe that their Guide (they used the English word), who preferred to call himself Allal Ming or “A-Lal-Ming“14, was “the spiritual teacher of Tibet”15 and the “spiritual leader of the Pamir [region]”.16

As in the case of HPB and other leaders of the Theosophical Society, the researcher is confronted with methodological choices: The first is to dismiss such “communications” as pure bluster and to range them altogether in the realm of fantasy or as an expression of some mental illness like “a special form of epileptic mania”.17 Nevertheless, the source material does suggest that throughout the 1920s and 1930s the main inspiration for the Grand Plan remained the steady flow of the alleged “astral communications” transmitted by Elena Roerich, who acted as a medium. Even if there is reason to question the origin of these communications, one has to admit, as John McCannon has remarked, that “it is incredible just how much of his plan Roerich was able to accomplish”,18 including the securing of fundings and diplomatic permissions for two expeditions into a highly sensitive area—the core region of the Great Game, as well as the building of a vast network of followers and financers ranging from Paris to New York and Harbin.

The rising influence of Eastern spirituality among Europeans and Americans was closely related to burning political questions such as the condemnation of imperialism, social and economic reform in the colonies and in contested areas like Central and East Asia, national and religious autonomy. For instance, both HPB and Annie Besant, like many Theosophists, were politically rather on the left and very strongly engaged in emancipatory causes.20 Besides, it has been recognized by a growing number of scholars that the phenomenon of occultism must be rescued from its status as an “irrational indulgence” as well as from rather partial concepts of “rationality” and “consciousness”, and that on the contrary an involvement with the occult was an important driving force of the intellectual avant-garde.21 The attraction exerted by Buddhist, Hindu or Muslim spirituality cannot be exhaustively explained in the context of 19th century racial theories and the notion of racist “Aryan superiority”.22

In the case of Russia, the importance of the social factor, the idea that Asia was destined to be a potential ally in the fight against the oppression of the fossilized European imperialist powers, grew ever stronger in the course of the 19th century. In the culture and religion of the Eastern Slavs there existed already in the pre-Christian period a strong Iranian (and this also includes a Zoroastrian and later Manichaean) subtext, demonstrated by linguistic influences, 23 which continually surfaced especially in numerous chiliastic folk beliefs, legends and sectarian cosmogonies.24 However, a similar influence can be discerned in several schools of Mahayana Buddhism, Shi’ite and Ismaili Islam.25 One can add that it was a common topic among occult and esoteric groups in East and West that the 19th century had come to an end by closing the Dark Age or Kalī Yuga, that a New Age of spiritual Enlightenment and social reform would dawn, although some details and especially the interpretation of the spiritual consequences varied drastically. In the same period, religious millenarism had reached a peak, most of all in regions of the world where political conflict, ethnic or social oppression and injustice created the necessary climate for revolt.

When, after the European rediscovery of the Zend-Avesta in the later part of the 18th century,26 the Zoroastrian legends about the eternal struggle of the agricultural peoples of Iran against the nomadic peoples of Turan27 spread across Europe, they were embraced by the Russian intelligentsia as a fitting description of the social situation in the Tsarist Empire. They could be interpreted in terms of a historic dualism between the agricultural soil and the steppe, especially following the conquest of the Central Asian territories in the mid-19th century. But whereas Dostoevsky still spoke in terms of a White Man’s Burden, the mission of the Russian khristianin – krest’ianin (“Christian peasant”— in Russian the words sound almost identical) to carry agriculture into the nomadic regions of Asia,28 outlooks began to shift in the 1860s, when among the radical Left, the first hopes appeared for a renovation of Russia on the basis of her association with the Asian East. For such thinkers in their nascent Eurasianist mood, “Europe–Iran” turned into a synonym of stagnation and the old world. “Asia–Turan”, on the other hand, became the symbol for the chaotic ferment that was necessary to overthrow the rigid tyranny, the krivda (injustice and lie) of the Tsar and to create a new, just world built upon pravda (justice and truth). Even Aleksandr Herzen (1812–1870), after his disappointment in the revolutionary Europe of 1848 and his resultant ideological approach to Russia’s Slavophiles, pointed out that the focus of the world revolution would lie not in Europe but in the Turanian East, whose peoples, wrote Herzen, had received from Western civilization nothing but unhappiness, and who therefore would rise against the entire Teutonic-Latin world. Eventually Herzen came to bless in his paper Kolokol in 1860 the influence of the potentially revolutionary Turanian ethnic elements on Russia, even stating (from his London exile) that the Mongol yoke had protected Russia against Roman Catholicism and had saved the village community (mir) from destruction.29

Similar views could be found among narodniki such as Sergei Iuzhakov (1849–1910) who in 1885 spoke of the impending collision of Russia and Britain in a struggle for Asia in terms of a struggle of peasant Russia against shopkeepers’ England. The colonial exploitation by the British would result in nothing less than the death of Asia.30 Another vostochnik (“Easterner”) and champion for the Asian cause, prince Ėsper Ukhtomskii (1861–1921),31 believed at the time of the Boxer Rebellion (1900) that “in the community of Russia and Asia is contained the future solution of the Oriental question”. He also thought that “the bonds that unite our part of Europe with Iran and Turan, and through them with India and the Celestial Empire, are so ancient and lasting that, as yet, we ourselves, as a nation and a state, do not fully comprehend their full meaning and the duties they entail on us, both in our home and foreign policy.”32 Ukhtomskii was acquainted with Theosophy and a practicing Buddhist from the age of 15. His links with Buriats and Tibetans were surrounded with secrecy. While he was in no way disloyal to Tsar Nicholas II, to whom he introduced Agvan Dorzhiev in 1898, he saw the Tsar as a potential liberator of the Asian peoples because of the way Russia was treated and rejected by the Western powers.

And there will come a day, when the Orient shall arise from its slumber, awakened and irritated by the stormy elements of the oppressing white
race. Like our mythical Ilya Muromets, the Orient shall then feel a mighty power in itself and shall demand to say its word. […] And Europe shall tremble. But neither threats nor violence nor accidental victories shall be able to accomplish anything […]. In the eternal conflict between Europe and Asia, Russia shall decide in favor of Asia. Another judgment is not possible where the judge is the brother of the complainant.33​

Like other Buddhists who were inspired by the teachings of Tibetan lamas and were familiar with the legends associated with the Kālachakra Tantra (“Wheel of Time Tantra”) ritual, Ukhtomskii referred to the messianic advent of the so-called “Last King of Northern Shambhala. ”This “Shambhala of the North” was considered to be a mythical land, thought to be situated somewhere far to the north of Tibet,34 a “Land of Quietness.” On his travels through Central Asia in 1845–1846, the French Catholic Abbé Huc (Évariste Régis Huc, 1813–1860) came across an occult brotherhood under the command of the Panchen Lama called the Kelan. Their members believed that their leader would be reborn in the future in a country north of Tibet between the Tien-Shan and the Altai range, and that this country was connected to the prophecies of Shambhala. After the future Chinese conquest of Tibet, so it was told, the New Country in the North would be the cradle of the renewal of Buddhism, the dead would be resurrected, and the Panchen Lama as the Universal Ruler would then crush the forces of evil and spread Buddhism over the entire earth.35 Many elements of this tale would later resurface in the spiritual instructions of the Buriat Lama Agvan Dorzhiev and of “Allal Ming” and the Roerichs.
Moriah is, incidentally, also a name mentioned in the Old Testament/Jewish Bible. The Wiki has:
Moriah /mɒˈraɪə/ (Hebrew: מוֹרִיָּה‎, Mōrīyya; Arabic: ﻣﺮﻭﻩ, Marwah) is the name given to a region in the Book of Genesis, where the binding of Isaac by Abraham is said to have taken place. Jews identify the region mentioned in Genesis and the specific mountain in which the near-sacrifice is said to have occurred with "Mount Moriah", mentioned in the Book of Chronicles as the place where Solomon's Temple is said to have been built, and both these locations are also identified with the current Temple Mount in Jerusalem. The Samaritan Torah, on the other hand, transliterates the place mentioned for the binding of Isaac as Moreh, a name for the region near modern-day Nablus. It is believed by the Samaritans that the near-sacrifice actually took place on Mount Gerizim, near Nablus in the West Bank.

Many Muslims, in turn, believe the place mentioned in the first book of the Bible, rendered as Marwa in Arabic in the Quran, is actually located close to the Kaaba in Mecca, Saudi Arabia. There has been a historical account of rams' horns preserved in the Kaaba until the year 683, which are believed to be the remains of the sacrifice of Ishmael – the first son of Abraham, who most Muslims believe was the son Abraham tied down and almost sacrificed, and not Isaac.

More on the Roerichs, especially the artist Nicholas Roerich
From a picture in an art museum to the painter, to his wife, to a prediction, to channeling, to Moriah, to Blatvatsky, to Theosophy, to occult and esoteric interests of the Russian intelligentsia... In the book The New Age of Russia. Occult and Esoteric Dimensions Birgit Menzel writes on page 12:
People engaged in occult or esoteric thinking and practices had to go underground or were sent to the GULag. Yet, we must not forget that there were uses
of the occult by the Soviet state. These ranged from trading the life of the theosophical Buddhist mystic Nicholas Roerich in exchange for U.S. dollars and
Soviet propaganda abroad in the 1920s and 30s
to experiments with mind control and psychic warfare for political and military reasons, which was also
practiced in the U.S
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The reference given (3) has:
For Roerich see Robert C. Williams, “Mysticism and Money: Nicholas Roerich,” In: Russian Art and American Money. 1900–1940 (Cambridge/Mass.: Harvard UP, 1980), 111–147. For Russia see Henry Gris, William Dick, The New Soviet Psychic Discoveries (Englewood Cliffs, N.J.: Prentice Hall, 1978), chapter 3. For the U.S. there are numerous studies. One of the first was José M.R. Delgado, Physical Control of the Mind. Toward a Psychocivilized Society (New York: Harper & Row, 1969); Alex Constantine, Virtual Government, CIA, Mind Control Operations in America (Venice, CA.: Feral House, 1997); John Marks, The Search for the ‘Manchurian Candidate’. The CIA and Mind Control (New York: Norton, 1991).
Following one of the above leads, one finds in Russian art and American money, 1900-1940 on page 5. Btw I don't think they actually immigrated to the US, or for that matter that they gave up on Theosophy entirely, rather they adapted it.
Then the hunt took a turn for the better. Records of the State Department were well indexed and very rewarding. They offered nothing about Grunwaldt or Havens but produced reams of material on the painter Roerich. After the 1917 Russian Revolution, Roerich had immigrated to America (in 1920) and become much more than an ordinary painter. A one-time theosophist, he donned Tibetan prayer robes, claimed that his paintings had healing powers given them by masters living somewhere in the Himalayas, and bilked well-meaning Americans out of thousands of dollars. The British suspected Roerich of being a Soviet agent, an Indian nationalist, or both, and denied him a visa to India in 1931. The State Department found him a nuisance, and only the patronage of Secretary of Agriculture Henry A. Wallace sustained Roerich in the 1930s, when he organized the Roerich Peace Pact to protect museums in time of war. He then fled to India one step ahead of Internal Revenue Service agents who had found his Roerich Museum guilty of tax fraud. In Roerich's case the archives revealed that he was not simply an artist in search of his lost St. Louis paintings but a cultural phenomenon in American life at a point where, once again, art and money changed hands.
"bilked well-meaning Americans" that came from a country where there in some financial circles had been significant support for getting the Russian revolution going that devastated millions of lives, and later support for the rise of a Germany that a few years later would lead to the loss of still more millions of now Soviet citizens - and these could not get pretty decent Russian art for pennies? Well, almost:
The Roerich material helped me realize that behind the buying of Russian art in America was an extraordinary sales campaign by both the Imperial and Soviet governments. As my research progressed, it became increasingly apparent that Russian art was a valuable export commodity intended to earn credit—economic and political—in the United States, especially in the years prior to American recognition of the Soviet Union in 1933. A crucial figure in this campaign turned out to be Dr. Armand Hammer, now the multimillionaire owner of Occidental International and M. Knoedler and Company art galleries. I knew of Hammer as a pioneer in early Soviet-American relations, a shrewd trader who had gone to Russia in 1921, obtained concessions to mine asbestos and to manufacture pencils, and then left Russia around 1930 with truckloads of precious Russian art objects—icons, chalices, paintings, and jeweled Faberge treasure—which he sold through department stores in America (beginning with Scruggs, Vandervoort & Barney in St. Louis).
Just to check if the "well-meaning Americans" got nothing for their money, one page has:
Works by Nicolas Roerich are highly prized items at auction. They are collected by bidders of all nationalities. Nowadays, prices for these objects can rise considerably under the auctioneer's hammer. Oils on canvas are particularly popular, with buyers from all over the world. The price at which they sell on the art market ranges from €30 to €8,217,720, at the moment, a substantial difference but one that says a lot about the value that can be attributed to these works. In 2013, his oil on canvas Madonna Laboris, dating from 1931, sold for €8,217,720, whereas it was estimated at between €936,960 and €1,405,440.
Roerich may have made a lot of money, but looking back in the history of art, how many of the now famous painter actually did? Returning to the book, there is a whole chapter about the Roerichs, beginning page 111:
MYSTICISM AND MONEY
Nicholas Roerich
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The world of Roerich is the world of truth. —Leonid Andreev
The Roerichs are not my friends. The Roerichs are crooks. —Henry A. Wallace, 1944
Nicholas Roerich was one of the pioneers who worked for closer relations between the Soviet Union and India. —Viktor F. Maltsev, USSR Ambassador to India, 1974
Leonid Andreev was the father of the Daniel Andreev, the author of The Rose of the World. The chapter in the book continues:
NICHOLAS ROERICH always saw a close connection between art and money. Some said that he even convinced Secretary of Agriculture Henry A. Wallace in 1935 that the symbol of the Great Pyramid from the Great Seal of the United States would be appropriate for the dollar bill. Wallace, in turn, conveyed the suggestion to Henry Morgenthau, secretary of the treasury. Morgenthau went along with the idea, only to find out later that some viewers of the new bill thought he must belong to an esoteric and cabalistic religious cult. He did not. But his fellow cabinet member Henry Wallace was indeed highly enamored of one of the 1930s' greatest faith healers. Roerich came to America as a well-known Russian painter, but he made his reputation as a religious mystic. And his desire to join art, especially Russian art, and American money went far beyond the mere design of the dollar bill.
It is possible that Roerich came up with the idea for the addition to the Dollar bill, but he may in the story above as well have been the fall guy, or someone suggested for him to suggest it. There was no lack of high level "home grown" initiates in high places, nor was there later later change to the design in that respect.

The Roerichs came after the generation of Elena Blavatsky, who was born in Dnepropetrovsk in Imperial Russia and they were contemporaries of Gurdjieff, Ouspensky, and Boris Mouravieff. I don't know who Mouravieff knew, he was the youngest, but Ouspensky and Gurdjieff probably knew many kinds of people.

The initial idea to look beyond the claim of prophecy turned out to be more fruitful and frustrating than I had imagined, but then there is also:
Session 23 July 1995
A: Now do you see the benefit in slowing down and not having prejudices when asking questions of great import? You see when you speed too quickly in the process of learning and gathering knowledge, it is like skipping down the road without pausing to reflect on the ground beneath you. One misses the gold coins and the gemstones contained within the cracks in the road.
I'm still not entirely sure there are "gold coins" and "gemstones", but it did show some of the complexities of history, and if there will be more to add in the future, this was at least a beginning.
 
Did Elena Roerich use a ouija board?
While trying to find the reference for the "prophecy" about Russia and as a result discovering the diaries, there was a note that indicates Elena Roerich might on occasion have used a ouija board. I this post, I take try to understand possibility as well as the probability they were themselves used similar to how they in some instances used others.

Re: Notebook No. I ("The Call", 24.03.1920 - 24.02.1922) [1]
Message URUSVATI'S TETRADS » 20 Aug 2019, 23:31

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19/ХI-1921. You can sit with L[ichtmans]. The best way I'll give you: one day speak through the throne, the other day write thoughts, cat [ory] you want to express. I will be with you, and I will observe how you distinguish thoughts and data. It is necessary to move in the consciousness of the inspired. Then, through the throne, I will indicate what thoughts were inspired. This is a useful lesson for the inner ear.
Remark by E[lena] R[oerich], that her spirit is tired and drooping.
- Lift it through your ear or take it in the[ijaya]-board*,
this will help develop the center of the arm. Ming will put his hand down and the battery will be activated. Then the feeling will tell you how to identify My language. You can do a lot, and then you'll smile at your doubt. The miracle is near you, but you can't hear it over the noise of the battle. Call Ch [istyakov] tomorrow, tell him: the ways of the Lord are mysterious in the variety of ways of transmitting the Spirit, and a blade of grass can transmit the tablet of the Covenant. Mascot of opening new centers. The ship meets different waves and still reaches its destination. Your fleet is strong — four ships.
Visions from November 18 to November 19.
1. The Vision of M [ahatma] M [oria], sitting at a table, and holding a piece of paper, the cat [oria] was rolled up by Him in a scroll and passed to whom, could not see. Then M [ahatma] M [oria] took a dark square plate from the table, on which stood a tall object in the form of a crown, and inside it lay a glittering object, and handed it to me.
2. The hand holding the ring, and inside his portrait (could not see).

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Editor's note
* Ouija board (English Ouija board) - a board for spiritualistic sessions with letters of the alphabet, numbers from 0 to 9, the words "yes" and "no" and with a special planchette-pointer. During the session, the fingertips are placed on the tablet, which moves and answers questions either monosyllabically " yes " and "no", or allows you to compose phrases using letters and numbers. The pointer is either a sharp point on the planchette, or a hole in it, in which the symbols of the board appear. You can also use a tablet without a whiteboard. If it has a hole, then, inserting a pencil, put the planchette on a sheet of paper. See: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Уиджа

Re: Notebook No. I ("The Call", 24.03.1920 - 24.02.1922) [1]
Message URUSVATI'S TETRADS » 20 Aug 2019, 23:34

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11/XII-1921. The multimillionaire Roerich can reward you royally.
Re: Notebook No. I ("The Call", 24.03.1920 - 24.02.1922) [1]
Message URUSVATI'S TETRADS » 20 Aug 2019, 23:34

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give the petitioners ideas. You can also receive the message without using a table. Urusvati knows how to listen without a table.
"Who talks to me in the evenings?"
"It's All From Me.
Why can't I remember everything?"
— You'll remember in time.
Teach your students to conjure up pictures with concentration. Ask Hille to give you letters to the Masons here about the school and the scholarship. Urusvati, send arrows to Chicago Moody. Yesterday, you helped without anger, with a sense of rightness.
Did my arrows help?"
— They helped.
I will send help to Urusvati. The knowledge of the rightness will help. I am with you. Urusvati, help will come, do not be afraid. Sit with v[idgia board] in the evening. I knock in all directions — show discretion to My signs.
Which prevails, pride of spirit or disobedience?
— One thing leads to another.
Help the fading hearts, even Naumberg's. Yesterday, you helped him more. Help the school, and I will help you. I will help.

11/XII-1921. The board is alien to the wise. You will guide the matter kindly and happily. I believe they are friends. (L[ichtmans]). She is bad, and the hand should move easily. Urusvati will hear and see better. (N[ikolai] K[onstantinovich] left for Chicago).

On the night of Dec 11-12, I heard M [ahatma's] voice M [oria], who talked about various manifestations of love, but only the last words remained in my memory:"Love is the spiritual welfare". [English: Love is a spiritual possession.]

On the night of the 16th to 17th Dec [Abr] to my request to see M[ahatma] M [oria] in an astral body, heard: "Dangerous shock". [English: Dangerous shock.]

On the night of December 18-19[Abr]. "The ways that are close to Me are close to My heart."

20th Dec[abr]. In the morning. "Out of sorrow, Urusvati!" On the same day, a letter was received from N. [ikolay] To [Onstantinovich] with favorable news.

From 15th to 16th Dec[Abr]. She was awakened as if by a strong electric current and saw a bright pink-purple light and a figure rising, this figure disappeared, and in its place appeared the figure of M [ahatma] M [orii] in white clothes, with flowing silver pleats.

On the night of December 21-22[Abr]. A vision of a Tibetan or Chinese man in a long, narrow robe that expands slightly to the bottom and a cap that expands to the top, with a young, long, smiling face.

23/XII-1921.
I have shown you the phenomenon of happiness. I have given Urusvati a pure shield with my Russian hands. Nutsya is unhappy, and I need to tell Zina that he is tired. It is better to smoke than to let the miracle go to waste among false friends. S[im] D[an]. I consider Dixon to be pure. It is wiser to let him learn from the phenomena of life. Lumou. My student, he will come to Me. I will show you many things in life, Urusvati, but be careful. Imagination is nothing compared to life. Take pity on Ming, he needs to work. Urusvati, I love your devotion. I want to teach you a new way of communicating. When Ming is not tired, let him speak, and I will confirm it with the table. The Tibetan U[vuchai] revealed the student Chund, and on the way to Tibet, you will meet the assembled guides. (Explanation of the Tibetan's vision). I myself appeared. (Explanation of the vision of the white figure). The place near you is guarded by Ming or by Me. I am coming to help you, but you do not recognize Me. Chistyakov was rushing. Call Muromtsev and tell him to hurry. My warrior, your shield is bright. That is enough.

[...]
The impression from the above is that the board was used, at least early on in the communications. The above took place about one or two years in. Since Elena Roerich was, judging from the above notes and statements both clairvoyant and clairaudient, it is possible she later stopped using the board entirely. Above there is also: "When Ming is not tired, let him speak, and I will confirm it with the table." which could indicate that there was another method used as well possibly involving trance mediumship.

Although there was in the excerpts an attempt to identify:
"Who talks to me in the evenings?"
"It's All From Me.
- it is not a consistent pattern at the beginning of the communications. Alternatively it is not noted down because it was routine. Hard to tell, but given how detailed the notes are, there ought to be at least something. In the above instance, Elena Roerich is led to believe that it is her Master Morya(?) that talks to her inner ear in the evenings. For reference, what I am missing is described in
A Course in Knowledge and Being, Part 1 (Cassiopaea.org) / Knowledge & Being Video (Forum thread) with the video title being: A Course in Knowledge and Being Differential Diagnosis in Spirit Release - Part 1 (1) (YouTube) See also this thread: Knowledge and Being: Differential Diagnosis in Spirit Release Part 4 Viewers Q&A (Forum thread)

In other words it does not appears as if Elena Roerich had a good handle on identifying her sources. Just because something appeared the same to her, knowing what 4D STS are capable of in terms of projection, can it be ruled out that some of what she took down as from the same source, wasn't?

Were the Roerichs used similarly to how they used others?
Having now read the chapter about the Roerichs in Russian art and American money, 1900-1940, it seems that Nicholas Roerich was smart when it came to business and marketing. The author highlight what was not done, as in some taxes not declared or paid, some intentions not disclosed, etc., or that Nicholas Roerich was not sincere with everyone.

The author, Robert C. Williams writes as if he is very outraged at what he finds out. He may be, and it was written during the Cold War so..., but on the backdrop of US history, with all the shady dealings, is he too outraged? Besides, it was not as if nothing came out of what they were doing. If the author did not like the work and publications of, Elena and Nicholas Roerich, they had two sons George de Roerich and Svetoslav Roerich who were accomplished in their own way: The Wiki about the first has:
George Nicolas de Roerich (Russian: Юрий Николаевич Рёрих, romanized: Yury Nikolayevich Ryorikh, August 16, 1902, in Okulovka, Novgorod Governorate – May 21, 1960, in Moscow) was a Russian Tibetologist. Roerich's work encompassed many areas of Tibetan studies, but in particular he is known for his contributions to Tibetan dialectology, his monumental translation of the Blue Annals, and his 11-volume Tibetan–Russian–English dictionary (published posthumously).

One could take a different perspective, using the points Williams make, and remark that if the Roerichs sometimes used others, was it also so that Nicholas and Elena Roerich themselves were being used by forces they did not completely understand? Even if the answer is yes, it does not mean that there is nothing useful, but again weeding is necessary, and that is not evident in all, if any, of the groups that wish to guard the heritage of the Roerichs. In one place, I found a comment to the effect that all the secrets are in there somewhere and it is only a matter of interpretation to understand everything. If people take such an angle, the work of the Roerichs becomes like a closed box and the followers similar to religious fundamentalists.
 
The following could have been posted in many other subforums, be it Geopolitics, History, SOTT News. Given there is a link back to the story of the Roerichs, I will write here, accepting that there will be some of the paragraphs that do not fit very well. It begins with a quote from an interview with Karaganov, steps back to Tsar Alexander II, followed by some genealogy for Helena Blavatsky and Nicholas Roerich (can easily be skipped), and finishing with a section about Theosophy, the creation of India as a state, and the emergence of a multipolar world which is what Karaganov favors.

Recently there was on SOTT
Siberianisation and the pursuit of a new civilisational platform and interview by Tariq Marzbaan and Nora Hoppe published on
Al Mayadeen English Sun, 08 Jun 2025 22:52 UTC
Which begins:
Following our first two interviews here and here, we wish to turn once again to esteemed luminary, political scientist and senior political advisor, Professor Sergey A. Karaganov* to discuss the topics of Russia's historic civilisations, Siberia and the process of Siberianisation, and the essence of a New Civilisational Platform for the Russian Federation.

Prof. Sergey Karaganov, in an interview with Nora Hoppe and Tariq Marzbaan, outlines Russia's civilizational turn: rejecting Western liberalism, embracing its multiethnic spiritual heritage, Siberian future, and its Eastward path to revive a mission of service over consumption.
Here and here: refers to
Best of the Web: Geopolitical paradigm shifts and coping with psychopaths: An Interview with Professor Sergei A. Karaganov
and on Al Mayadeen English Tariq Marzbaa, Nora Hoppe Al Mayadeen Thu, 09 May 2024 12:40 UTC
Navigating the Fog: An Interview with Professor Sergei A. Karaganov 09 Dec 2024 12:07 UTC
Where one finds:
PROF. KARAGANOV: Until the 16th century, the world was multipolar. There were many civilisations… They were not as interconnected and interdependent as they are now, but there were many civilisations and centres of power. And most of the great civilisations were outside of the Western end of the Eurasian Peninsula.

But then, because Europe was in a condensed, constantly fighting region of the world, Europeans developed a better use of cannons and a better military organisation, and started to conquer the world. And that started in the 16th century, and continued on into the 19th century with the epoch of colonisation. Then that epoch started to collapse in the early 20th century when the Soviet Union broke out of the system, and immediately started to support those nations that wanted to decolonise themselves. But still it was a side track. And then something very important happened, and that is Russia, the Soviet Union, acquired nuclear weapons and undermined the military preponderance - the foundation of Western dominance in cultural, political affairs, economics - the system, which allowed the West to siphon off the world's GNP in its own favour. The relative wealth of the West now is, of course, not only, but largely, based on the fact that it has been able for several centuries to siphon off world wealth from other nations or their GNP by imposing its rules, culture, economic policies and political institutions.

That process started to be undermined when the Soviet Union acquired "material parity". Then for 15 years, the Soviet Union, for its own reasons, collapsed. And it seemed that the world returned back to colonial and neo-colonial times. But now we have resumed our role as the "liberator of the world."

I am happy to be a member of the intelligentsia, a citizen, of a country that is the liberator of humanity. We have supported decolonisation. We are now supporting the liberation of the world from the Western yoke.
The impulse for Russian support of decolonizing may have roots further back, than the Soviet Union. In one older article, there was:

Why Tsar Nicholas II points the way to the restoration of Christian values
Fr. Andrew Phillips Orthodox England
Tue, 29 Jan 2013 14:29 UTC
[...]
Q: What would the implications have been in Asia?

A: Peter I opened a window on Europe. It was the destiny of Nicholas II to open a window on Asia. Despite his generous Church-building in Western Europe and the Americas, he had only a limited interest in the Catholic/Protestant West and its extensions in the Americas and Australia, because it had and has only a limited interest in the Church. In the West, there was and is relatively little potential growth for Orthodox Christianity. Indeed, today, only a small proportion of the world population lives in the Western world, even though it covers a huge territory.

Tsar Nicholas' aim to serve Christ was therefore more concerned with Asia, especially with Buddhist Asia. He had former Buddhist citizens in the Russian Empire who had converted to Christ, and he knew that Buddhism, like Confucianism, is not a religion, but a philosophy. The Buddhists called him 'The White Tara' (King'). So he worked with Tibet, where he was called 'Chakravartin' (The King of Peace'), Mongolia, China, Manchuria, Korea and Japan, countries of potential. He was also concerned with Afghanistan, India and Siam (Thailand). The King of Siam, Rama V, visited Russia in 1897 and the Tsar prevented Siam from becoming a French colony. This was an influence that would have spread to Laos, Vietnam and Indonesia. In population terms these countries have nearly half of today's world.
Before Nicholas II, there was Blavatsky and Theosophy. As part of understanding this connection, I discovered that both Blavatsky and Nicholas Roerich had German ancestry including some very old families. It is not clear if it means anything, but it does come across as odd.

Some genealogy for Blavatsky and Roerich
Helena Petrovna Blavatsky (1831-1891), was born as Helena Petrovna Hahn von Rottenstern in the currently Ukrainian town of Dnipro, then called Yekaterinoslav.
The father, Pyotr Alexeyevich Hahn von Rottenstern, descended from the old Baltic-German Hahn family, founded 1230, and was at the time an officer in the Russian Royal Horse Artillery.
The mother, Helena Andreyevna Hahn von Rottenstern (Russian: Елена Андреевна Ган, 1814–1842; née Fadeyeva), was a daughter of Princess Yelena Pavlovna Dolgorukaya, whose mother (this would be the great-grand mother of Blavatsky) was Henrietta Adolfovna de Bandre du Plessis. I tried to look up Bandre du Plessis, and found a German, possibly with French ancestry: General Adolph Bandre du Plessis
The museum's exposition presents a portrait by an unknown artist from 1770-1780. It depicts General Adolph Bandre du Plessis. In his early youth, he served in Saxony, participated in the fighting of the Seven Years ' War of 1756-1763 on the territory of Pomerania, and after the end of the war, at the invitation of Catherine II, he entered the Russian service with the rank of captain.

During the reign of the Empress Du Plessis participated in numerous military conflicts, commanded a regiment, and during the Crimean campaign was at the head of an entire corps. He was patronized by Count Nikita Panin, the head of Russian foreign policy. In addition, Du Plessis was highly valued by the commander Alexander Suvorov, who corresponded with him.
Since his name was Adolph, it would be reasonable that a daughter of his would have Adolfovna as her patronym. If this connection holds, General Adolph Bandre du Plessis would then be a great-great grandfather of Helena Blavatsky, on her mother's side. Like that there were Germans, and old families on both sides. As a curiosity, the Wiki for Blavatsky mentions:
Settling in Naples, Italy, in April 1885, she began living off of a small Society pension and continued working on her next book, The Secret Doctrine.[197] She then moved to Würzburg in the Kingdom of Bavaria, where she was visited by a Swedish Theosophist, the Countess Constance Wachtmeister, who became her constant companion throughout the rest of her life.[198]
Blavatsky was not done with old families:
And for Countess Constance Wachtmeister:
Constance's parents were the Marquis de Bourbel de Montpincon and his wife Constance Bulkley. She lost her parents when she was very young and was sent to her aunt, Mrs Bulkley, in England. In 1863 she married her cousin, the Count Carl Wachtmeister, with whom she had a son, count Axel Raoul.[6]
About Bourbel de Montpincon
BOURBEL DE MONTPINÇON (DE), noble family of extractions and one of the oldest in Normandy; it has provided knights to the Order of Malta; its nobility is proved by authentic titles preserved to this day, and by the visit of the commanders, commissioners of the Order of Malta, on May 7, 1789.
Jean DE BOURBEL-MONTPINÇON, the first of the name, who sat on the Exchequer as a Norman baron in 936, was confirmed in 948 by Richard I, Duke of Normandy, in the possession of the lordship of Bourbel, on condition that he maintain thirty men-at-arms in the said castle of Bourbel (M. La Bresle), and in the seigneury of Mont-Pinçon, on condition that a stone tower be built (M. La Scie.)
About Wachtmeister
The Wachtmeister family (German pronunciation: [vaxtˈmaɪ̯stɐ]) is a Swedish noble family from Livonia, who immigrated to Sweden in the 16th century. The name Wachtmeister is German for 'sergeant'.

Is there a relationship between Nicholas Roerich and the Rurikovich families?
The grandmother of Blavatsky, Princess Yelena Pavlovna Dolgorukaya, was born on October 11, 1789 at the estate of the Dolgorukov family, in the Lower Mogilev province. Her father was General of Prince P.V. Dolgoruky who served Catherine the Great. About the Dolgorukov family the Russian Wiki has:
Dolgorukovy (Dolgoruky, Dolgorukovo) — one of the numerous branches of the Obolensky princes, the Rurikovichi.
Again an old family, but is there a relationship between Nicholas Roerich and the Rurikovich families? No, there isn't, but the ancestry of his father Konstantin Roerich has many anomalies detailed in this book excerpt: Was Rurik an ancestor of Nikolai Roerich? from November 21, 2015 at 10:11 Skipping all the twists, the book excerpt ends when machine translated:
[...]
This information is more accurate and, in any case, shows that Nikolai Roerich was aware of his origins at that time.

There is no doubt: Nikolai Roerich destroyed all traces of his real ancestry. If, as Ivar Silars suggests, Nikolai's real grandfather was Eduard von der Ropp, then Konstantin was tainted by his illegitimate birth. But if Nikolai's grandfather was Friedrich Roerich, then his humble origins would never have been made public. Neither of these claims can be definitively proven, as Nikolai Roerich was adept at keeping his secrets.

Source: Waldenfels E. von. Nikolai Roerich. Art, Power, and Occultism. Moscow: Novoe Literaturnoe Obozrenie, 2015, pp. 15–23. [The Russian title of the book is: Эрнста фон Вальденфельса «Николай Рерих. Искусство, власть, оккультизм», in German: Nikolai Roerich Kunst, Macht und Okkultismus]
Eduard von der Ropp belonged to the German-Baltic von der Ropp family, one of few remaining crusade families, knighted by the Pope back in 1199. Konstantins, German mother, Constance Shushel, was a servant at a von der Ropp estate and came from Prussia.

Note about the above book, Nikolai Roerich. Art, Power, and Occultism.
The International Center of the Roerichs, has a negative review, blaming it for all its faults and skips any reference or mention of the heritage research. The German Amazon reviews are mixed. One reviewer is impressed and finds it unlikely that Roerich was not known to some circles in Germany, considering the interest among some 3rd Reich leaders in Tibet and Shambhala. That is true. Another reader, a Johannes Heinrichs wrote an evaluation of the book in terms of how successful the author is in achieving what the promises in the title. The strongest point for him is what relates to "power":
When judging this biography, one must make a good distinction (and the reviews to be read here so far do not do this): are we expecting a secular, exoteric biography of the Roerich phenomenon, say from the point of view of success and ‘power’, one of the book's subtitles? In this respect, I consider the work of this Mongolian-based, apparently multilingual journalist-author to be an astonishing achievement of 6 years of research. The evidence he provides for his view of Nikolai Roerich's life is overwhelming. To dismiss this with Karl May's fantasy is completely unfair and betrays sectarian spirit. One could rather object that von Waldenfels bothers most readers to do too much in terms of meticulously researched details.

From Helena Blavatsky, Annie Besant, Alice Baily and the Roerichs to the drive for manifesting a multipolar world
About Helena Blavatsky, said to be the first Russian woman to receive a US citizenship, the English Wiki begins:
Blavatsky was a controversial figure during her lifetime, championed by supporters as an enlightened sage and derided as a charlatan by critics. Her Theosophical doctrines influenced the spread of Hindu and Buddhist ideas in the West as well as the development of Western esoteric currents like Ariosophy, Anthroposophy, and the New Age Movement.
And in the Russian Wiki if translated, there is, and this ties in with the work of the Roerichs in Tibet and Central Asia:
Blavatsky declared herself to be the chosen one of a certain "great spiritual principle", as well as a disciple (chela) of the brotherhood of the Tibetan Mahatmas[K 1], whom she referred to as "the guardians of the secret knowledge", and began to preach her own version of theosophy[18].
One of the main goals of the society was stated to "form the core of a Worldwide Brotherhood without distinction of race, color, sex, caste or religion" [K 2]. Later, the headquarters of the society moved to Adyar, India, near Madras[5][19]; since 1895, the society has been called the Adyar Theosophical Society.
Whatever critics may say about Madame Blavatsky, or Colonel Olcott, or Dr. Besant, their contributions to the development of humanism will always remain highly valuable

Mahatma Gandhi, one of the leaders and ideologues of the Indian independence movement, and a philosopher
E. P. Blavatsky was perhaps the first, after a long stay in India, to establish a strong connection between these "savages" and our culture. This was the beginning of one of the greatest spiritual movements, which today [1910] unites a large number of people in the Theosophical Society

W. W. Kandinsky, Russian painter, graphic artist, and one of the founders of abstractionism
Annie Besant (1847-1933) picked up the work of Blavatsky, and like the Roerichs worked in India:
In 1890 Besant met Helena Blavatsky, and over the next few years her interest in theosophy grew, whilst her interest in secular matters waned. She became a member of the Theosophical Society and a prominent lecturer on the subject. As part of her theosophy-related work, she travelled to India. In 1898 she helped establish the Central Hindu School, and in 1922 she helped establish the Hyderabad (Sind) National Collegiate Board in Bombay (today's Mumbai), India.
In 1907 she became president of the Theosophical Society, whose international headquarters were, by then, located in Adyar, Madras (Chennai).

Besant also became involved in politics in India, joining the Indian National Congress.[2] When World War I broke out in 1914, she helped launch the Home Rule League to campaign for democracy in India, and dominion status within the British Empire. This led to her election as president of the Indian National Congress, in late 1917.
Alice Baily (1880-1949) another Theosophist worked along similar lines to Blavatsky and the Roerichs with regard to Tibet. From the Ru Wiki:
Bailey is generally considered to have provided the foundation for the New Age movement, [3] [5] and is thought to have coined the term New Age. [7] [8]
Her English Wiki:
She described the majority of her work as having been telepathically dictated to her by a Master of Wisdom, initially referred to only as "the Tibetan" or by the initials "D.K.", later identified as Djwal Khul.[2] Her writings bore some similarity to those of Madame Blavatsky and are among the teachings often referred to as "Ageless Wisdom". Though Bailey's writings differ in some respects from the Theosophy of Blavatsky, they have much in common with it.
What Blavatsky was involved with; India, Tibet Buddhism and and Hinduism, carried over to those that followed like Besant, Baily and the Roerichs. In this way, it influenced (for better or worse) the rise of more individual statehood on the Indian continent and what we today understand as the concept of a multipolar world, which is what Sergey A. Karaganov is an advocate of. Mayby this multipolarity would have been different if Nicholas II had had more time to work with Christianity in Asia, but he was removed by the Russian revolution shortly after the Trans-Siberian Railroad was completed in 1916.
 
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