Brace Yourselves For War Between Iran and Israel

[WhiteMountain]

You underestimate Trumps stupidity, he is unable to listen and to understand what he hears, being frank and honest doesn't work with narcissist egomaniacs

Putin has also publicly stated that he KNOWS Trump is not in charge. People that "you have never heard of" in his words are in charge. This was supposed to be a regime change operation planned out according to the "Path to Persia" paper in 2009. Trump was fully on board with it. It clearly failed when the people of Iran united against Israel. The US could pummel Iran into oblivion, but they were not going to get regime change even if they invaded. It was a practical consideration by the empire to withdraw in my opinion, and I think there was some truth to what Tore said right before Trump's speech, Israel was going to nuke Iran if Trump did not get involved and it sort of played out how she predicted - Israel would be called off right after the bombing and there would be a quick peace deal. They claim lie and claim objective achieved when we all know it was not true and they can move on to China without getting involved in a regional conflict. Trump merely did the bidding of the plan at the end of the day - they tried, they failed, move on to China - albeit making it a lot more entertaining with his absurd and horrific Tweets!!! They will pivot back to Iran like they did with Syria and Iraq later when they think they have the edge again.

 

[WhiteMountain]

Russia only provides the S300/400 in Syria and Iran at locations where Russian scientists work. They are not there for the purpose of defending the countries in which they have those scientists working. That is of course subject to change, but would require a completely different arrangement.

Correct and Iran did not want Russia to control their missile defense system because of them giving Israel their air defense codes before (as revealed in Wikileaks in 2012). Russia is too close to Israel because of the demographics there being highly skewed by Russians and Putin's personal ties there. Now maybe they decide that is a risk they are willing to take.

 

[axj]

Russia only provides the S300/400 in Syria and Iran at locations where Russian scientists work.

Iranian reports contradict that. They say that Iran never ordered or received the S400:

Iran dismisses need for Russia’s S-400, touts domestic missile strength​

Nov 17, 2024
Iran has not requested Russia’s S-400 air defense system, an IRGC official said Sunday, emphasizing the superior capabilities of Tehran’s domestically developed air defense systems.

“Our current systems offer far superior capabilities compared to the S-400,” said Davood Sheikhian, deputy for operations of the IRGC Aerospace Force, in a video interview shared by state-controlled media.

He added that Iran is also actively using the Russian-made S-300 system and sees no need for the S-400.

Despite Sheikhian's assertion that Tehran never requested the S-400, reports in recent years have indicated that Iran sought to acquire advanced military technology from Russia, including Su-35 fighter jets and the S-400 air defense system, which Moscow has yet to deliver.

The S-400 system is widely regarded as one of Russia’s most advanced air defense systems, with capabilities to track and intercept various aerial targets, including ballistic missiles and stealth aircraft.

Multiple reports by Tehran's media outlets often spoke of negotiation to acquire the S-400 and there were even reports as recently as in August that Moscow had delivered the missiles.

Russia completed its delivery of the S-300 air defense missile systems to Iran in 2016, according to its state arms export agency, after years of delays due to international pressure. Moscow initially suspended the contract in 2010 under Western pressure, but President Vladimir Putin lifted the ban in 2016 following an interim agreement with Iran. The decision to proceed with the delivery at the time raised concerns in Israel, as the S-300 systems could significantly bolster Iran's air defense capabilities.

Iran dismisses need for Russia’s S-400, touts domestic missile strength

Iran has not requested Russia’s S-400 air defense system, an IRGC official said Sunday, emphasizing the superior capabilities of Tehran’s domestically developed air defense systems.

www.iranintl.com

Iran's three remaining S300 air defense systems were apparently all destroyed:

Israel took out all Iran's Russian-supplied S-300 defenses - Fox News

Israeli air strikes over the weekend knocked out Iran's last three Russian-provided S-300 air defense missile systems and has left the country "naked", Fox News reported citing US and Israeli officials.

www.iranintl.com

Israeli Strikes Knocked Out All Of Iran’s S-300 Air Defense Systems: Officials

The apparent destruction of the last three Iranian S-300s would pave the way for expanded Israeli airstrikes. The apparent destruction of the last three Iranian long-range S-300 systems would help pave the way for more Israeli airstrikes.

www.twz.com

 

[whitecoast]

Original post from Joe. Trump is getting more publicly angry at Israel.

“According to a source cited by The Jerusalem Post, Trump shouted at Netanyahu during their call, demanding he “stop the attack.” Netanyahu said little in response, repeating his thanks to the U.S. President.”


I am sure that Trump is aware of potential deep state assassination attempts against him could be blamed on Iran by the usual suspects. Part of me wonders if his dramatized anger is a way to indirectly reign in the neocon/RINO element attempting to co-op the true MAGA movement, while also giving more tacit permission to cast suspicion back on the Israelis and deep state in the event he gets taken out at some point?

 

[Joan]

It is not only the county you have highlighted, in Canada for instance it is estimated 2.35 million of people from another country have entered the country since 2020, with no infrastructure to house and feed such a population increase. They all have cell phones, with contacts to there so called mother country, that is OK. But they have have no intention of learning the language or culture, they all speak the tongue from their native culture., in cell phone discourse, who knows what they are talking about. Many I see are wearing the vest of a security employee. Canada, is a land of immigrates, future of a youth denied a future due to open drug supply, I see daily in the same space I live. Youth bent over in the high of a dose of fentanyl. And jobs stolen by immigrants.

An intentional falsified social experiment, all by design.

Original post from Joe. Trump is getting more publicly angry at Israel.

“According to a source cited by The Jerusalem Post, Trump shouted at Netanyahu during their call, demanding he “stop the attack.” Netanyahu said little in response, repeating his thanks to the U.S. President.”
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I am sure that Trump is aware of potential deep state assassination attempts against him could be blamed on Iran by the usual suspects. Part of me wonders if his dramatized anger is a way to indirectly reign in the neocon/RINO element attempting to co-op the true MAGA movement, while also giving more tacit permission to cast suspicion back on the Israelis and deep state in the event he gets taken out at some point?

Too little to late late. It should have happened at the Yalta meeting at the end of WW2 ( Stalin another pathological entity) And nobody had the guts to intervene, because all they could think about, was the was the spoils of war,...All the innovation of Germany, the intelligence and down right dastardly means they could capture the West ( An STS ploy if ever there was one) after the declaration of the Balfour Declaration. from the late era of the 1900's After 1945...All bets for peace were lost and the Zionist ideology came into full force.

All sociopolitical drama to infiltrate the minds of a younger generation, history is written by sociopolitical and pathological mad men

 

[Evan]

Brian Berletic summarizes and adds detail to his latest X thread:

Description: After repeatedly lying to Iran, attacking it amid negotiations designed specifically to lure it into complacency, then announcing a 2 week deadline to decide on strikes on Iran that took place hours later, US President Trump is claiming a ceasefire was agreed to;

Iran would need to be beyond naive to accept or trust any word or action by the US - the US has not spent decades trying to topple Iran amid its regional murder spree to suddenly abandon it - its ENTIRE global aspirations hinge on it - it has used Israel as a conduit to launder its war crimes & provocations through & will continue to;

To effect regime change, the US would benefit most by luring Iranian leaders out of cover & striking them, provoking retaliations & further war;

Iran requires not a "Libya model," but a "North Korea model" or else this process will repeat itself until it concludes in Washington and Wall Street's favor;

The same "experts" who failed to see this war coming in the first place are now citing 5D chess strategies to explain how the Trump administration somehow averted a war entirely of its (and the establishment it serves) own creation and design to begin with;

The US will only stop when (1) people stop falling for this through excessive delusion, and (2) the rest of the world unites to force the US to stop;

If a genuine ceasefire is reached, it will likely have been the work of Russia and China quietly forcing the US to, through private but sufficient threats coupled with a graceful public exit ramp - though the chances of the US honoring it hover around 0%;

The X thread itself:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1937289445092524520

 

[WhiteMountain]

Iranian reports contradict that. They say that Iran never ordered or received the S400:



Iran's three remaining S300 air defense systems were apparently all destroyed:

Israel took out all Iran's Russian-supplied S-300 defenses - Fox News

Israeli air strikes over the weekend knocked out Iran's last three Russian-provided S-300 air defense missile systems and has left the country "naked", Fox News reported citing US and Israeli officials.

www.iranintl.com

Israeli Strikes Knocked Out All Of Iran’s S-300 Air Defense Systems: Officials

The apparent destruction of the last three Iranian S-300s would pave the way for expanded Israeli airstrikes. The apparent destruction of the last three Iranian long-range S-300 systems would help pave the way for more Israeli airstrikes.

www.twz.com

I think in that article they were not including the S-400 that was specifically put their by the Russians to protect the Russians at the nuclear site where hundreds of Russians were working (i.e. "and Iran at locations where Russian scientists work" - which is only one facility). That is not incorporated broadly into the Iranian air defense network and the Iranians did not ask for it. Andre Martyanov did an extensive discussion on the Iranian defense system on his YouTube channel at the start of the war (I don't remember which video it was) where he confirmed that there was an S-400 there, but it was sent by the Russians to protect the Russians, not at the request of Iran. I am guessing it was that particular system that generated reports like this last year : https://avia-pro.net/news/rossiya-postavila-iranu-zrk-s-400

 

[Evan]

Iranian reports contradict that. They say that Iran never ordered or received the S400:

I was speaking in answer to the question people all over X are asking, which is “Why hasn’t Russia sent the S300/400 to defend Iran?” and saying why they haven’t. I was not however stating what actually is there, but thanks for the clarification, if I was unclear.

 

[seek10]

Iranian reports contradict that. They say that Iran never ordered or received the S400:

Asked Grok to compare. I removed lot of content from Grok reply to remove the clutter.

Comparing Iran's domestic air defense systems, primarily the Bavar-373, with Russia's S-400 air defense system involves evaluating their technical capabilities, operational effectiveness, and strategic roles. Below is a detailed comparison based on available information, focusing on the Bavar-373 as Iran's primary long-range air defense system and the S-400 as a benchmark for advanced air defense technology.

### 1. **Overview of Systems**

#### **Iran's Bavar-373**
- **Development**: The Bavar-373 is Iran's domestically developed long-range surface-to-air missile (SAM) system, unveiled in 2016 and declared operational in 2019. It was designed as a response to the delayed delivery of Russian S-300 systems and is claimed to rival both the S-300 and S-400.[](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bavar-373)
- **Purpose**: Intended to protect critical infrastructure, such as nuclear sites and military facilities, against a variety of aerial threats, including aircraft, drones, and ballistic missiles.
- **Manufacturer**: Produced by the Iranian Ministry of Defence in collaboration with local manufacturers and universities.

#### **Russia's S-400 Triumf (SA-21 Growler)**
- **Development**: The S-400 is an advanced Russian SAM system, an evolution of the S-300 family, operational since 2007. It is designed to counter a wide range of aerial threats, including stealth aircraft, ballistic missiles, and cruise missiles.[](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-400_missile_system)
- **Purpose**: Provides strategic air defense for high-value targets, with deployments in Russia, Syria, and other allied nations.
- **Manufacturer**: Developed by Almaz-Antey, a leading Russian defense contractor.

### 2. **Technical Specifications**

Feature	Bavar-373 (Iran)	S-400 (Russia)
Range	Claimed detection range: 450 km; tracking range: 405 km; engagement range: 300 km	Detection range: up to 600 km; engagement range: up to 400 km (with 40N6 missile)
Altitude	Up to 27 km (claimed)	Up to 30 km (with 40N6 missile)
Target Types	Aircraft, drones, cruise missiles, ballistic missiles (claimed)	Stealth aircraft, ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, UAVs
Radar	Phased array radar for tracking; uses Sayyad-4 missile with active radar homing	92N6E Grave Stone radar; multiple radar types for long-range detection
Missile Types	Sayyad-4 (long-range); possibly others for different ranges	48N6DM, 40N6, 9M96E, 9M96E2 (various ranges and capabilities)
Simultaneous Targets	Can track up to 200 targets, engage 6 targets with 12 missiles simultaneously	Can track up to 300 targets, engage 36 targets with 72 missiles simultaneously
Mobility	Road-mobile, mounted on ZAFAR heavy trucks	Road-mobile, highly deployable with transporter-erector-launchers (TELs)
Anti-Stealth Capability	Claimed capability to detect stealth aircraft like F-35	Advanced anti-stealth radar capabilities (disputed effectiveness)

It looks pretty comparable except 'Simultaneous Targets' and w.r.t Iran's needs, it is not bad. There is always nuances w.r.t pro's and con's and also claim vs reality. Having indigenous capability is always good, cheaper in the long run, can avoid sanction pressures, flexibility to expand to one's own needs. It also improve local economical and technical capabilities. It even has LOT of export potential etc.

 

[seek10]

Meme based on the Bollywood movie clip.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1937288106258120858

Most of the world knows Bibi is the REAL bully. Bully's main weapon is fear induction. What Iran did with this war is not only exposing vulnerability of the Bully and hit them pretty decently. It doesn't matter how much Iran got hit in the process. Whether Bully reforms or not is completely different story.

If we look at 4D STS aim of removing 'semitic' gene, that needs 'regime change' to make it like Iraq. This 'nuclear bomb' ghost is only pretext and they failed in that attempt as of now. But, the regime change(under Israel's control) can still happen in future.

Trump by bombing Iran, removed Bibi's excuse and paved the way for express his anger towards Israel. i.e. Trump did what no body could dare(and even continue to breath) to do it in the100 years. In the process if he needs to become 'Joker', so be it. At the end he will be measured by different parameters - his country's economy. This is again thinking whether he cares about it at this age.

Both declaring victory. But the world knows who won and only one will really celebrate.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1937487970027602406

https://twitter.com/x/status/1937603227018535262

 

[Evan]

Brian Berletic summarizes and adds detail to his latest X thread:

Description: After repeatedly lying to Iran, attacking it amid negotiations designed specifically to lure it into complacency, then announcing a 2 week deadline to decide on strikes on Iran that took place hours later, US President Trump is claiming a ceasefire was agreed to;

Iran would need to be beyond naive to accept or trust any word or action by the US - the US has not spent decades trying to topple Iran amid its regional murder spree to suddenly abandon it - its ENTIRE global aspirations hinge on it - it has used Israel as a conduit to launder its war crimes & provocations through & will continue to;

To effect regime change, the US would benefit most by luring Iranian leaders out of cover & striking them, provoking retaliations & further war;

Iran requires not a "Libya model," but a "North Korea model" or else this process will repeat itself until it concludes in Washington and Wall Street's favor;

The same "experts" who failed to see this war coming in the first place are now citing 5D chess strategies to explain how the Trump administration somehow averted a war entirely of its (and the establishment it serves) own creation and design to begin with;

The US will only stop when (1) people stop falling for this through excessive delusion, and (2) the rest of the world unites to force the US to stop;

If a genuine ceasefire is reached, it will likely have been the work of Russia and China quietly forcing the US to, through private but sufficient threats coupled with a graceful public exit ramp - though the chances of the US honoring it hover around 0%;

The X thread itself:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1937289445092524520

You know, after watching Berletic’s analysis, one has to wonder how, as one of the most literate societies on the planet, the Iranians seemingly have neither read nor even seen these open source policy papers. One has to conclude that something else is afoot.

 

[ApotheosisMMC.]

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Bad choice of words, that once again puts Israel in a better position.

I was expecting exactly what Russia did, and its nothing. Pakistan was threatening Israel, China sent some equipment, Trump, as we see now, seems to solved the situation, all that time Russia was shooting out Captain Obvious style statement such as "Its third world war, its bad for people...." and nothing else concrete.

We are expecting too much of Russia. Russia today is still not ready to be world power. That status means that you act on the maters of the whole world, which Russia still dont know how to do. Thats why I already wrote that Russia is "autistic empire", and it will be for some more time. That mean that they are big, but only look towards itself and see only problems and concerns that are only theirs, cant see anything else.

Russia can be spiritual power, leader of a change of the world (but they wont help you in your change, only if you use them as a exemplar and learn that way), but not military or economical power. For the whole role of Russia in the world we should wait for another 10 - 20 years. If it doesn't dissolve after Putin's death.

IMO, of course.

Russia wants to clean up its image as much as possible and give the impression of being highly diplomatic and non-confrontational as long as possible (because they are). If the Iranians told them they don't need help, it's because they don't need it yet. In fact, the situation hasn't been catastrophic for either side so far, so it was an acceptable approach.

Asked Grok to compare. I removed lot of content from Grok reply to remove the clutter.

It looks pretty comparable except 'Simultaneous Targets' and w.r.t Iran's needs, it is not bad. There is always nuances w.r.t pro's and con's and also claim vs reality. Having indigenous capability is always good, cheaper in the long run, can avoid sanction pressures, flexibility to expand to one's own needs. It also improve local economical and technical capabilities. It even has LOT of export potential etc.

Iranian air defenses are fine; in fact, Israeli planes (including F-35s) did not enter Iranian airspace despite all the lies about having total control.
According to General Dan Caine, during Operation Midnight Hummer, which included B-2s—which is still debated as to whether they actually entered Iranian airspace—fourth-generation fighters were used as decoys (this probably includes F-16s).
Iranian air defenses, which can perfectly detect those planes, were not activated due to the risk of revealing their position or because they were already warned of the attack and didn't want to escalate the situation further.
So, I wouldn't give the S-400s so much importance despite the advantage they represent... even if they had been there and theoretically detected a stealth aircraft, again, it would have been useless because Iran would have followed the script.

Regarding Trump, perhaps it would be a good angle to see this in a simple way since he is a simple man.

He was angry more than necessary because he was in a difficult position that sullied his promises and distanced him from his objectives, which do not include eternal wars.

He could not leave Israel aside. He probably likes that country and understands how necessary it is for American power within that country's vision (and also how important it is to support them so that certain parties support him). But that does not mean that he likes Netanyahu's bellicose approach. Despite the certain mockery that his approach of peace through force represents these days, it worked well enough.

He carried out a short attack and it has no medium-long term impact on Iranian capabilities. Regardless of whether some regime change would have been desirable for him or not, he did not lead things to a long war and he got rid of Israel's allegation and maintained the image of supporting them. The real test-problem for him comes now that Netanyashu is already insinuating that this will delay Iran's nuclear program by only a couple of months, what will he do then?... Certainly it will not be so easy for him to just shout and go back to carrying out an operation for appearances, at least he could point a little more to Israel as the warmonger in the matter while shouting at Iran not to resume its nuclear program (as if that would stop both parties).

 

[irjO]

I'm starting to think that maybe Trump is in the first stages of elderly dementia. He's trying to play his usual '5D chess', the 'art of the deal', as he has quite successfully (debatable) done for decades, but now he's clearly lost his touch. And if that is the case, the worst thing is that he's probably not aware of this deterioration – he's in Dunning-Kruger mode thinking that he's 'The One'! And maybe that's why he's postings on SM has become more stupid, and more 'big and beautiful' (using caps and 'big words'). And, if he has an onset of dementia, it would also be easier to manipulate and influence him in various ways. Not good!

Nah, I don’t think he has signs of dementia, I mean it could happen, but don’t think is the case. He just needs to stay away from that darn Diet Coke that he loves to drink, aspartame affects the brain big time! He needs a better diet to have a more clear mind and keep up with stress level in that position.

 

[Alejo]

"Israel, as soon as we made the deal they came out and they dropped a load of bombs the likes of which I've never seen before, the biggest load that we've seen. I'm not happy with Israel."

I think this is one of the most authentic Donald Trump reactions I have seen in forever, no showmanship, no jokes, no self aggrandizement, someone who is upset that he's been made to look like an idiot, who felt he was lied to.. notice that he mentioned Iran but made special emphasis on Israel.

That expletive in his declarations was sincere I feel, and that feeling of seeing reality as everyone else would, because everyone else would feel the same way after being lied to and then publicly discredited, is the reason most people voted for him.

We shall see where this takes us, according to NBC Israel was deeply ashamed that Trump was so upset, and both sides are declaring victory. But I think the most sobre analysis I read came from a Russian analyst, Nadezhda Romanenko, that said:

This attack was not an isolated case, the analyst stresses, since on June 13 five other academics linked to Iranian nuclear development were killed in a similar way, many together with their families. The analyst emphasizes that “this is not the fog of war, it is its deliberate weaponization”.

Romanenko reminds that “killing the families of scientists does not dismantle programs” or strengthen security: it only distances the possibility of peace and reinforces narratives of revenge. “What we normalize now others will imitate later,” she warns.

Finally, the author does not defend Iran or its nuclear policy, but she does remind us that “the sons did not formulate the enrichment policy.” Crossing that ethical line, even in the name of national security, means admitting that “fear is stronger than law and revenge is smarter than diplomacy,” she explains. If this is the path that war takes, she concludes, “then everyone, regardless of nationality, should feel a deep and urgent fear”.

She explains that things have changed, and that's the sense I get from this. The ceasefire is good in itself, but I don't get the sense that it's long term better. I get the feeling that things changed for the worse, or who knows I could be wrong.

 

[mabar]

She explains that things have changed, and that's the sense I get from this. The ceasefire is good in itself, but I don't get the sense that it's long term better. I get the feeling that things changed for the worse, or who knows I could be wrong.

Not so wrong.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1937683460988002702

Real according to this account