Fire at Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris
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If you read a few pages back in this thread, you see that the works apparently hadn't even started. There were no power tools, just the scaffolding.
BlackCartouche
Jedi Master
They are all forms of belief and can overlap with each other to one degree or another depending on the individual's perspective of reality, the perceptions of himself, and the relationship/interactions between the two. Everything becomes a wrong concept if the Self isn't worked on first, and continually so.
I tend to think religion is an external belief internalized, made rigid through ritual; ideology is external/internal-variability made rigid of the mind only; and faith is internal, a belief that wells up from within, it isn't rigid as such, but 'durable' and grows to become more externalized over time.
I thought mkrnhr touched on the basics of 'belief' and concept quite well in the Darwin Black Box thread: "A mind cannot function without some basic postulates about reality, and those postulates are the basis of the belief system whether one aknowledges it or not. Saying that one doesn't believe in anything is a big self-delusion."
Hi_Henry
The Living Force
I read an article where it was mentioned that the company had video cams on site monitoring their activity on site. They also had monition detectors attached to the scaffolding.
PS: I have been trying for 2 days to find detail measurements of ND. Size of wood in the roof etc. To my surprise I can not find anything other than basic gross dimensions. Anyone have any suggestions ?
BlackCartouche
Jedi Master
I noticed the Île de la Cité is split along Boulevard du Palais between 1st and 4th Arrondissement. The boundary between the arrondissements run behind and along the rear of The Paris Police Prefecture which in turn faces directly Notre Dame Cathedral. I don't know if its already been mentioned, but I thought it quite curious they supervise the fire department: Paris Police Prefecture - Wikipedia
The numbering of Arrondissements spiral out from Île de la Cité. I thought how that could be symbolism of an occultic nature regarding spiraling energy vortices from where a cathedral might be built, and the words "spiral" and "spire" are of the same root.
Something else too. The distance from Île de la Cité - or more precisely the distance at the border between 1st and 4th Arrondissements using the Boulevard du Palais - is exactly 3,333 kilometers to the Dome of Rock/Al-Aqsa Mosque at the Temple Mount.
The Knights Templar's first HQ was at Temple Mount, of which their name derives: Knights Templar - Wikipedia
The numbering of Arrondissements spiral out from Île de la Cité. I thought how that could be symbolism of an occultic nature regarding spiraling energy vortices from where a cathedral might be built, and the words "spiral" and "spire" are of the same root.
Something else too. The distance from Île de la Cité - or more precisely the distance at the border between 1st and 4th Arrondissements using the Boulevard du Palais - is exactly 3,333 kilometers to the Dome of Rock/Al-Aqsa Mosque at the Temple Mount.
The Knights Templar's first HQ was at Temple Mount, of which their name derives: Knights Templar - Wikipedia
What strikes me as odd is that this individual has no protective breathing apparatus and is wearing a yellow vest.
Just on this aspect of things, firefighters wear yellow vests too as mentioned previously: it is part of the category 3 equipment as this image tells us (last line) directly from the firefighters' website:
From the same previous comment of mine:
I follow the two links and they go on the same results with the same lists of multiple Pdfs
. I dug a little deeper in the "Catalogue of standards used by Emergency Preparedness" listed here, and all I could find without spend one week or more on it (it is very unpleasant to read and I know nothing about it, so it remains very dark to me) is the following and without any certainty of real meaning for your question here, just FWIW:About VESTS
Fluorescent yellow seems the most appropriate color for it.
About HOOD:
About BREATHING MASK specifically:
It's all far more complicated to dig further and it would take too long for maybe nothing at this point...
However, this does not in any way call into question the relevance of your questions, they seem to me more than legitimate considering the opaque ambiguity of the whole situation...
angelburst29
The Living Force
News-worthy but not directly related to the ND fire but related to the Presidential election that Macron won ...
Former French presidential candidate Francois Fillon and his wife Penelope will face trial over the fake jobs scandal that destroyed his 2017 campaign, a judicial source said on Tuesday.
French presidential candidate to face trial over fake jobs scandal
Former French presidential candidate Francois Fillon and his wife Penelope will face trial over the fake jobs scandal that destroyed his 2017 campaign, a judicial source said on Tuesday.
Former French presidential candidate Francois Fillon and his wife Penelope will face trial over the fake jobs scandal that destroyed his 2017 campaign, a judicial source said on Tuesday.
French presidential candidate to face trial over fake jobs scandal
Former French presidential candidate Francois Fillon and his wife Penelope will face trial over the fake jobs scandal that destroyed his 2017 campaign, a judicial source said on Tuesday.
Hi_Henry
The Living Force
Here is a HD video of the fire. The Yellow smoke is clearly seen in it when the spire falls. The volume that comes out suggests that there was a large source of substance XXX in the roof area. Dry oak wood does not release this color smoke when it burns.
Very - very interesting information, Thanks for Posting it - MK Scarlett!
Some thoughts that were running through my mind, while reading through the information ...
Macron is probably well aware of these proposals that were drafted just two years earlier, during Hollande's term and the project proposals got passed over to him? Macron has the type of personality that constantly seeks attention and admiration, while he identifies himself, as part of the elite. He poses for "cameo shots" and does "blank face pantomime performances" in front of the camera. He's all about fame and fortune and wants to go down in the History books, greater then Napoleon? He's pet project is the ‘Renaissance’.
So, how do you go about getting the proposals off the drafting table and start on the construction stage, at minimum cost to you, while also fulfilling your very own geo-political proposals? Any seasoned Banker would suggest - You combine them? You only have to look into Macron's background, education and past employment for a clue - why this suggestion might be possible? He had served as the Inspector of Finances in the French Ministry of Economy, also as an investment banker at Rothschild and Cie Banque.
In the Ile de la Cité proposals and designs, I'm unable (not qualified) to determine if the Notre Dame spire was seen as a possible pediment to their plans? News reports of the locations of the fire seem to center on the spiral, the clock, the wooden roof and fallen debris. While renovation was still in it's preliminary stages, most valuable artifacts were removed and placed in storage, including 7 of the 8 Bells and some statues. These precautionary measures reduced damage and liability issues. So, when the fire struck, these objects were already protected.
If - if you were to go with the assumption, the fire was pre-planned to only encompass a specific area (a control burn) with one of the objectives - to eliminate/remove an obstacle that's impeding the expansion of another project - and using the event itself (fire) to garner financial support (from outside investors or donors) for repairs, any excess capital could supplement the secondary project.
Again, if you go with the above assumption, the Notre Dame fire and the timing of the event was preplanned to elicit and manipulate the greatest amount of sympathy and emotional response - during one of the most Holy Christian Holidays on the calendar. Media coverage of the event would be masterfully exploited through the press, to reach a wider audience (free publicity). And as Macron had done, you "pledged to rebuild" but he went one step further, he stated " We'll rebuild Notre Dame together" - soliciting funds. The smirking smile many detected was probably subconscious? He's saying one thing but covering up a hidden agenda. A percentage of the donated funds will go for the repairs but a larger percentage will be used as collateral towards the Ile de la Cité project? A bait and switch scheme. How "Rothschild" can you get ... use other peoples money - to benefit yourself? No sweat!
Something else about J.O. in Paris in 2024 and Universel Exposition that could have stand in France in 2025...
First, as already said, next J.O. in Paris will take place in 2024, that's why Macron repeats from the very moment where N-D was still burning and fire was not yet extinct that "we will re-built it in a delay of 5 years". Straight to the J.O.
Second, Paris was to host the Universal Exposition in 2025, one year after the Olympic Games. (Dubai in 2020, Buenos Aires in 2023); But in 2018, Matignon (the 1st Minister) headed by Édouard Philippe decided otherwise:
From Le Point on January 22nd 2018:
Always in the same article than the one above, something "rings" with yellow vests movement which did not even existed at the time:
An event which could have help all these territories whom ask for development rather than feeling abandoned (and they are!) as perfectly described by the yellow vests movement and many mayors of small provincial towns...
Another excerpt from the very same article:
Instead of that, the Universal Exposition in 2025 will stand in Osaka, Japan.
I do think that if J.O. have been favoured over Universal Exposition for an allegedly question of gain of money, is a mistake. Instead of that, it seems that an Universal Exposition all over French territories would have been far more remunerative and a bearer of hope for all of them. It seems that Hope must be deleted from French hearts.
A comment below the same article:
I have more to share about the project of the Ile de la Cité, but I miss time for now. And thank you everyone for all the datas!!
Metrist
The Living Force
There was people there putting up scaffolding. And it looks like a lot. I assume there were moving/packing activity... there were probably areas where scaffolding and other materials were staged. And a workforce generates trash... so it wasn't a business as usual setting.
And it is interesting that the bldg. had a cement ceiling and a wooden roof... so the attic area could have stored trash from the workers, and if any material caught fire, the pitch of the roof would have been just right to aid in it quickly spreading. So, the heavy timbers were the last to burn, but the roofing material (the lighter planks) burnt quickly due to the pitch of the roof. That might explain it.
French SOTT published a summary of the events, with much of what has been discusssed here:
fr.sott.net
Here's a Deepl Translation (apologies for not correcting mistakes, but I can't do it right now. You'll get the gist! And for hyperlinks, click go to the article itself):
With the fire at Notre-Dame de Paris Cathedral, questions were raised about the possibility that this event could occur accidentally. New information has since emerged. Here is a summary of these.
1/ The restoration work had not yet started
2/ An efficient fire monitoring system was installed
Taking up the words of his successor Philippe Villeneuve, with whom he is in contact, Benjamin Mouton affirms to Batiactu that he was "totally incredulous" in the face of this fire that could have started from the renovation site, and that suspicions could be raised about the "valley", where the nave and the transept of the cathedral meet.
"The fire protection installed in the cathedral was at its highest level. »
An important fire detection and protection system
3/ Two men were present day and night 7/7 to check the slightest alert and call the fire brigade if necessary
4/ The entire electrical installation had been refurbished in 2010
5/ All the protection and fire detection of the cathedral had also been redesigned
6/ There was a considerable technical and normative framework
Source: Interview LCI former chief engineer of Notre-Dame.
7/ The structure had been treated
What products were used then? Could they have been used as catalysts? Was the processing carried out by employees, temporary workers?
8/ There were two fire alarms
Summary of the chronology of events:
17h20 : The workers leave the roof
17h30 : Exceptional closure of the access to the towers
17h50 : The last worker left the site, after the electricity was switched off
18:15: Start of the office
18h20 : 1st alert: a red dot flashes on the security guard screen
18h30: evacuation order, which means that a fire has been discovered / Time at which the towers should normally have been closed
18h43 : 2nd alert
18h50 : smoke escapes from the roof and the arrow
- So, what happened between 6:20 and 6:30? There was no attempt to extinguish the nascent fire? What is the exact procedure that security guards must follow when a fire is discovered?
- How can the fire be so important in 10 minutes when the oak is so difficult to ignite?
- How is a computer bug possible on this system which should not be very complex? Wasn't it tested? This seems unlikely.
- Why is it taking 23 minutes for the fire system to send a second alert?
- Which company installed it? There must be qualification papers, can they be consulted?
- Were there two outbreaks of fire, as mentioned by LCI, corresponding to the two alarms?
9/ There were no workers at the time of the fire's departure
10/ On the site all incandescent objects were prohibited
A priori everything that could set the fire was prohibited: torch, engine, gas, etc.
11/ Solid oak is very difficult to ignite
- Here is a video with a person who is trying to set an oak beam of the same size as Notre-Dame on fire:
- Another one:
It is a pity that these experiments were not carried out indoors or the energy dissipates less quickly.
- On Twitter:
- The description of the fire at Reims Cathedral:
For the the frame (oak?) to burn via a pine wood fire therefore takes 1/2 hour and lasts 4h30. But many objects had been stored inside: clothes, wooden boards, etc. (Bernard Lecomte).
- There are oak fireplaces:
"The forest":
This is an important point. Would that prove that there was a fire accelerator (sulphur, thermite)?
If we refer to the previous point, it is lead that would be at the origin of the colour of the fire:
Does lead really give this colour to the smoke?
Notre-Dame de Paris, fire
The yellow smoke from the fire.
Notre-Dame, fire, yellow, smoke
In a few moments, thermite (or nano-thermite) is able to generate a furnace capable of reaching 2,500°C.
The colours of thermite combustion:
Smoke during a building fire:
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Another fire:
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- On the Internet, there is this sentence that would come from a firefighter:
Can lead then have changed the colour of the smoke?
13/ Was there a pyrolysis phenomenon?
The problem with this interesting assumption, however, is that, as seen in point 1, work had not yet begun.
14/ Would the structure have contained another type of wood?
Would there have been fir trees, for example? There is no information to that effect.
15/ Has there been a phenomenon related to static electricity?
A priori it is a known phenomenon during the explosion of the grain silo. Would this have been enough?
16/ The towers had been exceptionally closed at 5:30 pm instead of 6:30 pm
@Paris_by_Elodie
"Please note: exceptionally, the Notre-Dame Towers will close at 5:30 p.m. on Monday, April 15. The cathedral remains open as usual until 6.45 pm. »
Source : @Paris_by_Elodie
- The Centre of National Monuments:
On Monday, April 15, the Notre-Dame Tower Tour will exceptionally close at 5:30 p.m.
Capture of the site of the Centre des monuments nationaux.
- Google search:
exceptional lock NDP
- So the question is: why were the towers "exceptionally" closed that day?
- It seems that the Paris tourist office had also warned of another closure:
No proof yet.
17/ A camera pointed at the boom had been installed to monitor the progress of the site
18/ Architects forbidden to answer interviews on Notre-Dame
Antoine Pasquier is editor-in-chief of the Christian Family.
19/ A webcam shows a person and a bright flash on the roof of the cathedral
The video is very authentic but would be dated at 4:05 pm. The sun that reflects itself? On what? On what?
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20/ Youtubers have already climbed on the roof of the cathedral
- May 2018, a video that proves that even without scaffolding the building can be climbed.
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- October 2018, when the scaffolding is already present:
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21/ The accidental trail is very quickly pushed back, without waiting for the results of the investigation
When looking for the truth, no hypothesis is favoured, otherwise the results may be of the order of confirmation bias.
22/ A "big boom" was heard at the beginning of the fire
Another testimony:
What could be the source that caused this noise?
The Symbols
Here are the coincidences that can be found. It's up to you to make up your mind:
- The disaster occurs on the first day of Holy Week
- The President of the Republic was to make a much awaited speech
- A fire drill had taken place a few days earlier; André Finot, head of communication at Notre Dame Cathedral, told the Parisian: "We heard the alarm sound at 6:30 pm. An alarm that was immediately identified and recognized because we had been engaged in a fire drill a few days ago. "At the same time, al-Aqsa Mosque is on fire in Jerusalem:
- Notre-Dame de Paris burned on the anniversary of the sinking of the Titanic (April 15, 1912).
- During the Notre-Dame de Paris fire, Michelle Obama enjoyed a dinner on a bateau-mouche on the Seine. Source: Closer
- The logo of the company that erected the scaffolding recalls that of Freemasonry:
Le Bra Frères, logo
More precisely, the scaffolding was erected by "Europe scaffolding", a subsidiary of the company "Le Bras Frères".
- Before the Christian period in France, a Gallo-Roman temple dedicated to Jupiter stood on the site of Notre-Dame.
- Cover of The Economist in 2017:
The economist 2017
1st image: "The Tower"
Le point sur l'incendie de Notre-Dame de Paris
Avec l'incendie de la cathédrale Notre-Dame de Paris, des questions se sont posées sur la possibilité que cet événement puisse survenir de manière accidentelle. De nouvelles informations sont depuis lors apparues. En voici un résumé. 1/ Le...
fr.sott.net
Here's a Deepl Translation (apologies for not correcting mistakes, but I can't do it right now. You'll get the gist! And for hyperlinks, click go to the article itself):
With the fire at Notre-Dame de Paris Cathedral, questions were raised about the possibility that this event could occur accidentally. New information has since emerged. Here is a summary of these.
1/ The restoration work had not yet started
2/ An efficient fire monitoring system was installed
Taking up the words of his successor Philippe Villeneuve, with whom he is in contact, Benjamin Mouton affirms to Batiactu that he was "totally incredulous" in the face of this fire that could have started from the renovation site, and that suspicions could be raised about the "valley", where the nave and the transept of the cathedral meet.
"The fire protection installed in the cathedral was at its highest level. »
An important fire detection and protection system
3/ Two men were present day and night 7/7 to check the slightest alert and call the fire brigade if necessary
4/ The entire electrical installation had been refurbished in 2010
5/ All the protection and fire detection of the cathedral had also been redesigned
6/ There was a considerable technical and normative framework
Source: Interview LCI former chief engineer of Notre-Dame.
7/ The structure had been treated
What products were used then? Could they have been used as catalysts? Was the processing carried out by employees, temporary workers?
8/ There were two fire alarms
Summary of the chronology of events:
17h20 : The workers leave the roof
17h30 : Exceptional closure of the access to the towers
17h50 : The last worker left the site, after the electricity was switched off
18:15: Start of the office
18h20 : 1st alert: a red dot flashes on the security guard screen
18h30: evacuation order, which means that a fire has been discovered / Time at which the towers should normally have been closed
18h43 : 2nd alert
18h50 : smoke escapes from the roof and the arrow
- So, what happened between 6:20 and 6:30? There was no attempt to extinguish the nascent fire? What is the exact procedure that security guards must follow when a fire is discovered?
- How can the fire be so important in 10 minutes when the oak is so difficult to ignite?
- How is a computer bug possible on this system which should not be very complex? Wasn't it tested? This seems unlikely.
- Why is it taking 23 minutes for the fire system to send a second alert?
- Which company installed it? There must be qualification papers, can they be consulted?
- Were there two outbreaks of fire, as mentioned by LCI, corresponding to the two alarms?
9/ There were no workers at the time of the fire's departure
10/ On the site all incandescent objects were prohibited
A priori everything that could set the fire was prohibited: torch, engine, gas, etc.
11/ Solid oak is very difficult to ignite
- Here is a video with a person who is trying to set an oak beam of the same size as Notre-Dame on fire:
- Another one:
It is a pity that these experiments were not carried out indoors or the energy dissipates less quickly.
- On Twitter:
- The description of the fire at Reims Cathedral:
For the the frame (oak?) to burn via a pine wood fire therefore takes 1/2 hour and lasts 4h30. But many objects had been stored inside: clothes, wooden boards, etc. (Bernard Lecomte).
- There are oak fireplaces:
oak fireplace
Camus Fils fireplaces
Rare large old oak wood mantel with faunal decorations on the jambs surmounted by a low relief representing a scene with characters and on either side lions' heads
Source: Camus Fils chimneys
"The forest":
This is an important point. Would that prove that there was a fire accelerator (sulphur, thermite)?
If we refer to the previous point, it is lead that would be at the origin of the colour of the fire:
Does lead really give this colour to the smoke?
Notre-Dame de Paris, fire
The yellow smoke from the fire.
Notre-Dame, fire, yellow, smoke
In a few moments, thermite (or nano-thermite) is able to generate a furnace capable of reaching 2,500°C.
The colours of thermite combustion:
Smoke during a building fire:
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- On the Internet, there is this sentence that would come from a firefighter:
Can lead then have changed the colour of the smoke?
13/ Was there a pyrolysis phenomenon?
The problem with this interesting assumption, however, is that, as seen in point 1, work had not yet begun.
14/ Would the structure have contained another type of wood?
Would there have been fir trees, for example? There is no information to that effect.
15/ Has there been a phenomenon related to static electricity?
A priori it is a known phenomenon during the explosion of the grain silo. Would this have been enough?
16/ The towers had been exceptionally closed at 5:30 pm instead of 6:30 pm
@Paris_by_Elodie
"Please note: exceptionally, the Notre-Dame Towers will close at 5:30 p.m. on Monday, April 15. The cathedral remains open as usual until 6.45 pm. »
Source : @Paris_by_Elodie
- The Centre of National Monuments:
On Monday, April 15, the Notre-Dame Tower Tour will exceptionally close at 5:30 p.m.
Capture of the site of the Centre des monuments nationaux.
- Google search:
exceptional lock NDP
- So the question is: why were the towers "exceptionally" closed that day?
- It seems that the Paris tourist office had also warned of another closure:
No proof yet.
17/ A camera pointed at the boom had been installed to monitor the progress of the site
18/ Architects forbidden to answer interviews on Notre-Dame
Antoine Pasquier is editor-in-chief of the Christian Family.
19/ A webcam shows a person and a bright flash on the roof of the cathedral
The video is very authentic but would be dated at 4:05 pm. The sun that reflects itself? On what? On what?
Webcam footage shows figure in cathedral prior to fire and a bright flash
Webcam footage before the cathedral fire appears to show a person moving around and then a bright flash.
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20/ Youtubers have already climbed on the roof of the cathedral
- May 2018, a video that proves that even without scaffolding the building can be climbed.
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- October 2018, when the scaffolding is already present:
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21/ The accidental trail is very quickly pushed back, without waiting for the results of the investigation
When looking for the truth, no hypothesis is favoured, otherwise the results may be of the order of confirmation bias.
22/ A "big boom" was heard at the beginning of the fire
Another testimony:
What could be the source that caused this noise?
The Symbols
Here are the coincidences that can be found. It's up to you to make up your mind:
- The disaster occurs on the first day of Holy Week
- The President of the Republic was to make a much awaited speech
- A fire drill had taken place a few days earlier; André Finot, head of communication at Notre Dame Cathedral, told the Parisian: "We heard the alarm sound at 6:30 pm. An alarm that was immediately identified and recognized because we had been engaged in a fire drill a few days ago. "At the same time, al-Aqsa Mosque is on fire in Jerusalem:
- Notre-Dame de Paris burned on the anniversary of the sinking of the Titanic (April 15, 1912).
- During the Notre-Dame de Paris fire, Michelle Obama enjoyed a dinner on a bateau-mouche on the Seine. Source: Closer
- The logo of the company that erected the scaffolding recalls that of Freemasonry:
Le Bra Frères, logo
More precisely, the scaffolding was erected by "Europe scaffolding", a subsidiary of the company "Le Bras Frères".
- Before the Christian period in France, a Gallo-Roman temple dedicated to Jupiter stood on the site of Notre-Dame.
- Cover of The Economist in 2017:
The economist 2017
1st image: "The Tower"
Pure lead should give a blue colour in a flame test, according to Flame test - Wikipedia That would not help to produce yellow. But if one had done a spectral analysis of the flame at the time of burning, could one have solved the riddle?
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This event happens in a very complex situation, with many players, motives and possibilities. To have a fire like this takes precise engineering skills. I 'll try to explore some possibilities formulated as questions.
If it was planned, the plan could have begun years ago in time for parties to be placed, so they would look as if involved. The speech on Yellow Vests that did not happen, makes Macron look poor, but maybe there is a third force, that suggested the schedule?
If it was set up to be a suicide mission, a type of act some parties have honed to an art. We usually hear about suicide bombers, but what about suicide arsonists? It is probably easier. Do the job, take medicine, go to sleep and done.
What if the fire was intended as a flag, (false og semi-real) and the Church (in the spirit of the Church) or the Government (for political reason) decided not to reveal the force(s) behind it? And if that is so, what would the intended outcome have been? What was the expected reaction of the public? If the intended intention was not realized, what does plan B look like?
Scarry ideas, but with all that took place since Palm Sunday ....
If it was planned, the plan could have begun years ago in time for parties to be placed, so they would look as if involved. The speech on Yellow Vests that did not happen, makes Macron look poor, but maybe there is a third force, that suggested the schedule?
If it was set up to be a suicide mission, a type of act some parties have honed to an art. We usually hear about suicide bombers, but what about suicide arsonists? It is probably easier. Do the job, take medicine, go to sleep and done.
What if the fire was intended as a flag, (false og semi-real) and the Church (in the spirit of the Church) or the Government (for political reason) decided not to reveal the force(s) behind it? And if that is so, what would the intended outcome have been? What was the expected reaction of the public? If the intended intention was not realized, what does plan B look like?
Scarry ideas, but with all that took place since Palm Sunday ....
Metrist
The Living Force
I'm just speculating on why it spread like it did - considering the layout...
The ceiling is cement. Above it is the wooden roof structure. Cement retains heat and releases it gradually. Heat in the cathedral rises to the ceiling heating the attic space - heating the wooden materials.
And so the attic is always the warmest part of the building. And because of this the wood is dry.
Then, the roof is covered with lead. And it is angled. So, though the lead protects from outside conditions, it also retains inside conditions. And this has a baking effect. So in the event of a fire, this would be bad.
And they recognised this and had fire alarm precautions, wood treatments, ect.
But the architectural design is not your everyday situation, and the protections they put in place were not enough.
And so, it was like a disaster waiting to happen. And whether it was arson or accident, it happened at the scale that it did because the conditions allowed it.
The ceiling is cement. Above it is the wooden roof structure. Cement retains heat and releases it gradually. Heat in the cathedral rises to the ceiling heating the attic space - heating the wooden materials.
And so the attic is always the warmest part of the building. And because of this the wood is dry.
Then, the roof is covered with lead. And it is angled. So, though the lead protects from outside conditions, it also retains inside conditions. And this has a baking effect. So in the event of a fire, this would be bad.
And they recognised this and had fire alarm precautions, wood treatments, ect.
But the architectural design is not your everyday situation, and the protections they put in place were not enough.
And so, it was like a disaster waiting to happen. And whether it was arson or accident, it happened at the scale that it did because the conditions allowed it.
Almost every possibility has been mentioned which gives us a very long list of both facts and possible movitives for a non-accidental reason for the fire.
I think that the difficulty protecting the attic area was certainly there.
Short of installing a sprinkler system which would probably ruin everything under it if it did go off I am not sure what they could have done better.
From Wikipedia Notre-Dame de Paris fire:
I think that the difficulty protecting the attic area was certainly there.
Short of installing a sprinkler system which would probably ruin everything under it if it did go off I am not sure what they could have done better.
From Wikipedia Notre-Dame de Paris fire: