2020 US Election - Let The Games Begin!

@bjorn I mean.. we have to get back down to the nuts and bolts of how things actually are.

The average soldier is just a normal dude in uniform who's gone through some training and been made part of a wider machine. He's not some righteous dude who's made of like outstanding character. No need to elevate them to some thing they aren't.

The military is all about the chain of command. The average soldier won't be defying any Generals... The average soldier probably doesn't even have direct access to any General given their place in the chain of command.

Chances are the boots on the ground WON'T revolt against the Generals. If we're talking probability and likelihood, these are the chances!

@bjorn I mean.. we have to get back down to the nuts and bolts of how things actually are.

The average soldier is just a normal dude in uniform who's gone through some training and been made part of a wider machine. He's not some righteous dude who's made of like outstanding character. No need to elevate them to some thing they aren't.

The military is all about the chain of command. The average soldier won't be defying any Generals... The average soldier probably doesn't even have direct access to any General given their place in the chain of command.

Chances are the boots on the ground WON'T revolt against the Generals. If we're talking probability and likelihood, these are the chances!

That's a broad brush approach in depicting the average American soldier, as a former marine I'd venture more toward describing them as anarchist and very capable of malicious compliance when their constitution is at stake. . . And it very well is.
 
Back than I that you shouldn't fall into nihilism and pessesism. Maybe I'm the oppositive. To hopefull. Which also has blind spots.

As for this situation. Maybe you are right, but as for now I see it differently. I'll keep in mind the things you said.

I think there might be a chance to change things for the better. But for that people at least have to try.

We all have to stay in lock-down for many more months to come, years and who knows even indefinitely. Sick of the isolation and sick of the empty future ahead. I'm totally done with it all. It’s gives nothing to hope for. So yes I'm frustated. 2021 better be different. One of the reasons why I don't like the attitude that nothing will ever change.

@bjorn, very good comments.

To add, I think we have to realise the role we play in things. In the situation of the American elections, we aren't actors, we are observers. To remind you, you aren't in the US!

As observers, I think our role is to watch reality for what it is, not to attempt to change it using our "will" because we don't like it. For one, we can't change it from our observer position. We do however run the risk of falling into wishful thinking.

Observing this situation, I think we can see that Trump supporters are now in a position where they are ripe for manipulation, fueled by the sense of injustice and anger at the blatant fraud that occured and allowed to pass during the elections. We can see that they are now being fired right up given the latest SCOTUS set back.

We're not actors, we're observers. I understand you're in Holland, so how can you be an actor to what's going on in the US? In the observer role, it's not about being helpless or hopeless if one doesn't "will" things to existence. Your job is to bear witness, not to be clouded by what you want to see, but to have the fortitude to see what's actually transpiring - both spoken and unspoken. FWIW!
 
That's a broad brush approach in depicting the average American soldier, as a former marine I'd venture more toward describing them as anarchist and very capable of malicious compliance when their constitution is at stake. . . And it very well is.

Apologies, I don't mean to offend the military personnel.

All I'll say is that doctors take the hippocratic oath. 2020 happened, covid happened and the institution of medicine has played a role. Where does the hippocratic oath now stand?

I won't speak directly of military personnel and their oath but what reality has shown is that oaths aren't exactly gold-plated.

Let's wait and see what happens. Maybe the military do something. Let's see.
 
so how can you be an actor to what's going on in the US?

Let me finish my article in a few days. That's the least I can do. Besides, what happens in the US affects us all. And if this Great Reset really sinks in. We are all in the same boat.

Your job is to bear witness

I think that I get your point. But to bear witness is not just watching the show. It affects us and now even isolates us. (Lock-down Tyranny) I don't feel like accepting any of it. And the PTB haven't even started.
 
Yeah, I have no real idea what is going to happen and if push comes to shove what would happen if the military is brought into the picture, etc. It could very well be that they don't follow Trump if he calls upon them. Like you said SOTTREADER, "Let's wait and see what happens."
 
Could it be that Trump, just like Caesar, will become dictator perpetuo?

I was thinking about something along these lines. As others have mentioned, it looks like if Trump does back down and leave office that it is likely that forces will be brought to bear to try to destroy him and his family (and also many other people), such as via litigation. I'd think even if Trump didn't realize when he was first elected what he might face and have to decide, that he now has an understanding about it.

Maybe Trump is now or soon will be having to make the decision to 'cross the Rubicon,' since no other option is being given to him. Damned if he does and damned if he doesn't, but how he crosses and what he does if he does cross can be important. Will Trump toss the dice? Alea iacta est ("The die has been cast")
 
Apologies, I don't mean to offend the military personnel.

All I'll say is that doctors take the hippocratic oath. 2020 happened, covid happened and the institution of medicine has played a role. Where does the hippocratic oath now stand?

I won't speak directly of military personnel and their oath but what reality has shown is that oaths aren't exactly gold-plated.

Let's wait and see what happens. Maybe the military do something. Let's see.
The oath is the oath and alot of medical personnel have spoken up, some died. That aside, I think there's quite a difference between loose medical association and tight military heirarchy. If some high ranking officials break rank to support Trump along with States, it's a big difference from lone doctors, but it is a longshot, and it could go the other way. Horror 😔 So, I agree we need to wait and see. Quite a show. I admit to being tense. Hard to enjoy popcorn... Need more butter
 
9/11 was the context when the following discussion took place on 13-Oct-2001. But, I feel personally like I've witnessed a continuation of harm, strictures, witch hunts, controls, and force - from new directions. So it feels like the same continuum - a single decline. Following this for fifteen years were two repulsive US presidential administrations. The last four lines still a mystery.
Q: My first question: People are talking about, and are concerned about, what is to be the proper attitude, or the proper action - if any - or behavior, or response to the current situation in the world: terrorist activity, the increasing controls of the government, that sort of thing. In other words, they are wanting to know if they should take action, or if they should just observe. Or, should they be guided by their individual situations. People are concerned. Can you respond to these concerns?
A: Most people will not be harmed in direct ways.
Q: If most people will not be harmed in direct ways, does this mean that the idea that the United States may become the target for an all out... (A) Before you ask, "most people" is an imprecise term. "Most people" could be just over half. That leaves a lot of room for "people" being harmed. (L) Can you be more precise?
A: Force will not get out of hand yet.
Q: (A) Which I read as a "negligible number of people will be harmed" in global terms. (L) Is it true that only a negligible number of people will be harmed in the upcoming period?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) But, of course, if one is among that "negligible number," it can be up-close and personal. Can you give us - do we dare ask for a number? (A) No, because then we would have to specify the country and work our way through all the details. You see, four thousand is still negligible in global terms. (B) Will the primary harm to people be psychological?
A: Partly but also real strictures.
Q: (L) Do you mean greater control and loss of freedoms? Is this stricture going to be physical, or a stricture on our freedoms, or a combination of both?
A: Both.
Q: (L) Is there going to be a witch hunt in this country for people who the government wishes to identify as being potential terrorists, or anti-American, like the McCarthy era?
A: First there will be controls by laws. Then more force.
Q: (L) Is all of this going to culminate in some plan that is being activated at the present time? Is this all directed to a specific outcome by the powers that be, so to speak?
A: Mostly; but unexpected twists and turns from opposing forces.
Q: (L) And who are these opposing forces? Are there good guys, or is it just like another "gang," as in global gang wars? Using "gangs" metaphorically here.
A: 4th density STO will manifest help for some 3rd Density groups.
Q: (L) Do any of those 3rd density groups that are going to be helped include us? {Laughter.}
A: Close.
 
Maybe Trump is now or soon will be having to make the decision to 'cross the Rubicon,' since no other option is being given to him. Damned if he does and damned if he doesn't, but how he crosses and what he does if he does cross can be important. Will Trump toss the dice? Alea iacta est ("The die has been cast")

Things have actually come to a point where either the deep state destroys him (and probably the freedom and rights of many Americans) or Trump manages to destroy a significant part of the deep state, which would include cleaning out the CIA and the FBI.

Trump will most definitely be called "dictator" if only for federal or military interventions at regional uprisings anyway, so why not go the whole hog? The mass media are known to call him anything you can imagine already.

What could be designed as a time-limited suspension of the constitution might easily develop into a perpetual one with limited military conflict with China or cosmic intervention though.
 
9/11 was the context when the following discussion took place on 13-Oct-2001. But, I feel personally like I've witnessed a continuation of harm, strictures, witch hunts, controls, and force - from new directions. So it feels like the same continuum - a single decline. Following this for fifteen years were two repulsive US presidential administrations. The last four lines still a mystery.
Will the primary harm to people be psychological?
A: Partly but also real strictures.
Q: (L) Do you mean greater control and loss of freedoms? Is this stricture going to be physical, or a stricture on our freedoms, or a combination of both?
A: Both.

I had the term 'real strictures' in the back of my mind for almost twenty years.

Now with all the mandatory mask wearing, physical distancing and confinement rules I can clearly see what the C's were predicting back then...
 

Leaked files expose mass infiltration of UK firms by Chinese Communist Party including AstraZeneca, Rolls Royce, HSBC and Jaguar Land Rover​


Loyal members of Chinese Communist Party are working in British consulates, universities and for some of the UK's leading companies, The Mail on Sunday can reveal

Leaked database of 1.95m registered party members reveals how Beijing's malign influence now stretches into almost every corner of British life, including defence firms, banks and pharmaceutical giants

Some members, who swear oath to 'guard Party secrets, be loyal to the Party, work hard, fight for communism throughout my life...and never betray the Party', are understood to have jobs in British consulates


Loyal members of the Chinese Communist Party are working in British consulates, universities and for some of the UK's leading companies, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.

An extraordinary leaked database of 1.95 million registered party members reveals how Beijing's malign influence now stretches into almost every corner of British life, including defence firms, banks and pharmaceutical giants.

Most alarmingly, some of its members – who swear a solemn oath to 'guard Party secrets, be loyal to the Party, work hard, fight for communism throughout my life...and never betray the Party' – are understood to have secured jobs in British consulates.

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- This is a huge article. Recommend going to the Daily Mail website.
 
I'm posting this tweet here since I've heard Fitts say this before, and it's so radically different than what most are saying about this right now. It's something to maybe research further, see why she feels so strongly about this. I've included a following comment, as well, which seems to saying Marshal Law is just as problematic.

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Some members, who swear oath to 'guard Party secrets, be loyal to the Party, work hard, fight for communism throughout my life...and never betray the Party', are understood to have jobs in British consulates

Fight for communism? China isn't a traditional communist system anymore. The days of Mao and his little red book are long gone. France is propably more socialist than China is right now. They have fully embraced globalism and capitalism.

This article reads like a cold war B-movie

From the article:

Security sources believe the initial data leak came from a dissident who targeted an outwardly unremarkable office block in Shanghai which housed the records.

And what if the initial leak came from British intelligence instead and not China. That's how the spy world operates.

Besides, the China events thread is better fitted for this discussion.
 
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