Alexander Davidis: Another "Puzzling" Psychopathy Expert?

seek10 said:
Azur said:
To get this back on track and the unanswered question posed to Fifth Way:

Alexander: Why do you still have a FB group for a project that has been cancelled?

Azur, one more issue you need to address is your constant identification/attachment with Alex. If we look at your posts in this thread, you comments sounds like a some intimate contact going on between both of you. comments like "he won't do that", "he is a kid that needs pat /attention" etc. Even after all this, you still trying to pull Alex ( yes he is responsible for his actions and answerable for his questions) for your answers . this is sounding like kids when caught while doing a mistake and pull each other for support.

I'll say it again: there's been no contact with FW since the project was under the purview of this group (2009). Those contacts weren't one-on-one. There was always more than two people in all contacts during the short time I participated.

As for my "pulling", I'm not identifying with FW: I'm hoping he's doing the right thing. Nothing more. The right thing being dropping the project completely for all the reasons that were stated before.

I might be projecting here, but I think he's got it in him to do the right thing. There is no "kids being caught" as you put it. Except for what Laura posted. (I have no knowledge of that, and can't speak to it).

He's responsible for his own actions, and has to answer for them. He knows this.
 
Robin said:
Apology accepted, Azur, truly ... :)

Life is lessons ... just a day after your posting within this thread, I found myself "in the weeds" with my overzealous behavior [...]


Thanks for understanding Robin.

As for "finding myself in the weeds with overzealous behavior", you ain't got nuthin' on me. :lol:


:flowers:
 
Azur said:
I might be projecting here, but I think he's got it in him to do the right thing. There is no "kids being caught" as you put it. Except for what Laura posted. (I have no knowledge of that, and can't speak to it).

I personally think that you're likely projecting, based on his actions over this year, if not longer. Obviously there's no certain way to know whether he has it in himself to do the right thing and he could turn around and make progress if he chooses to do so, but he can't do it by dodging and ignoring questions, giving different answers to different people and at different times, constantly lying to himself and others, and other mechanical behavior.

I point this out because you seem a little overly optimistic to me that he can do the right thing, when his track record for doing so hasn't been very good for a while--and, of course, such wishful thinking for people to do the right thing who haven't demonstrated much of an interest in doing so can be very dangerous.

But I could also be overly pessimistic--just my perspective, FWIW.
 
Azur said:
I might be projecting here, but I think he's got it in him to do the right thing.

IF you're projecting, then so am I (which is always possible)

So far, from what I've seen, he has done "the right thing" ...after being smacked up side the head with the reality stick, a couple of times. I can relate to that :-[

He dropped the project that folks found objectionable. He doesn't appear to be currently setting himself up as an "expert" on psychopathy. He's said himself that he has some serious issues that need working on.

So do I, so I guess I have hope for Alex because I still have hope for myself?
 
It was like this:
I had just stepped off a trans-continental flight, arriving back at home after a 14-hour travel with my two kids and having been away for many weeks. While I was gone construction had been going on outside, next door and workers had put play wood on my terrace that had gotten all wet and molded during my absence. The place stank like a landfill. I also brought half a foot of mail upstairs. So with other words, I was extremely exhausted and in a rather foul mood.

I fired up my computer, look at emails and checked FB. Here I noticed a new post on my Psychopathy group. The fact that there was a new post to begin with bothered me already in my foul mood. I was angry with myself because I wanted to shut this group down since a while but hadn’t done so. In the past a number of times some “FB-friends” - but really strangers - had posted unrelated stuff on that group and I had kept deleting it. The reason why I hadn’t deleted the group already was simply because I could not figure out how (there is no simple delete function). But then again it was never a priority either as I was busy with other things. I just never spend the time to figure it out.

I looked at the link and scanned through the article and though “What????” I couldn’t believe what I was seeing. Having been subject to serious scrutiny by this group myself six months ago and considering my overall mood, I admittedly questioned the validity of this article at that time. However, I do not anymore. But I did not make my final judgment that day. I wanted to read through it there and then but my head was just too scrambled. I could not concentrate. I also noticed that there was a link to the forum-thread that I followed and of course I was overwhelmed by the amount that had already been written. So I thought: “I’m not going to deal with this right now.” And: “Who is Robin Xxxxxxxxx?” And: “I need to close this group.” And: “I’m taking this article off. When I have the time to really look into it I can always repost it later on my personal wall or not.”

I did not get around to catch up with all the reading in time. Next day I get this PM from Robin, who seemed offended that I dared to remove her post on my group. She gave herself the air of respectfulness (“I am writing this PM to respectfully ask why you removed the article and what were your reasons for its removal, besides the fact that you are the admin and well within your right to do so. “) …but I do not think it was truthful as she wasted no time (one day) to start this thread. Barely time enough for me to respond. Could it be that Robin’s pride was hurt and this thread was some form of retaliation?

So I’m thinking: “Oh, great, that was obviously the wrong decision yesterday.” And my next thought was again: “How can I close this damn group?”

I looked again at all the FB settings but only found one to set the group to secret. I did that as a temporary solution and then I sent Robin my truthful answer which as been quoted earlier in this thread.

Then somebody immediately asked on the group: “Why is this set to secret now? I thought you want to inform people???” …I am paraphrasing.

So I googled “How to shut down a FB group?” Turns out one has to delete every single member individually (in this case many, many hundreds), while making sure one does not delete oneself (the admin) by mistake because then the group will exist forever! Not unlike the Kickstarter Campaign page, which apparently cannot be deleted at all.

I deleted all members one by one and last me. It took forever.

But that was not the end. Eleven days later I get another PM on FB from Guardian (of course not knowing it was Guardian at the time) asking me if the “rumor” was true that I was doing a video with/for Thomas Sheridan. In the meantime I had read the article about Sheridan (but not the forum thread). Naturally reading Guardian’s question (not knowing who it was coming from) I am going: “Jesus Christ, this is unbelievable. What is wrong with these people?” And I wrote back: “Who’s rumor?” which Guardian chose not to answer.

However, as Guardian already mentioned on the Sheridan thread, I subsequently answered her that I was NOT making or planning any video with/for Thomas Sheridan.

But to find out what this nasty rumor was all about I went on the forum and searched for my name and voila; I find this thread. …And all the other places where my full real name pops up including Sheridan’s thread as well, with all those nice assumptions that this vile, penis obsessed person, that only stepped into the limelight less than a year ago with his book, and I, known in this group for 8 years, are “most likely” in bed together planning some kind of “Hollywood-revenge” on this group. I am paraphrasing again. The sheer patheticness of this idea really floored me.

For your information: I have no desires for revenge. I haven’t even been thinking of my project cancellation nor Sheridan for many months and I have no ties with him whatsoever and never had.

I have long moved on.

Anyway, I then went on to the Forum-group-settings to set them to notify me so I can follow what’s going on in this thread. When I looked later in my notification-folder I saw that there was also a response on the private section of this forum on a thread that I started last winter. I wanted to look at it but oops; I got an error message:
“An Error Has Occurred! The topic or board you are looking for appears to be either missing or off limits to you.”

And since I cannot see the private section anymore it is clear that I have been kicked out of that part of the forum too. I also noticed that I have been bumped from another off-forum yahoo group, related to EE.

With all due respect Anart: Yes, l do find it unreasonable and completely disproportional to my alleged offence.

Lets put this into perspective: I have promoted hundreds if not thousands of articles from sott over the eight years that I am member here and I still do it all the time. And I have publicly declared my complete and unfaltering support for this group over and over again (unlike many others with my real name on it http://cassiopaea-cult.com/statement-of-alexander-davidis-film-director-writer-producer/). I supported this group with words, with money, with actions and with long hard labor for years.

So I didn’t get it right all the time, or maybe even most of the time. Okay. I did and I am doing the best I can. If that is not enough for you, sorry. I have a fully packed life with thousands of problems of my own, just like everybody else and no time to spare.

I find it unreasonable that because one person appears to be offended that I dared not to promote one specific sott article that she felt entitled to posted on my wall, that that same person is ousting me now as the potential next big disinformation agent. That a number of you can’t wait to jump on board and suggest that I am most likely colluding against this group with someone who seems to be (as it looks now) a sexual predator. That you go on and bump me off various private groups.

This is a public forum and if one googles my name (which many people do as I work with many different people all over the world) this thread with my real name in it, pops up not so far down the list.

So nobody exerts enough external consideration to realize that this may create damage in my life and/or for my work? Or is it that since I am a Persona non grata, everything is allowed anyway?

I understand the general concern about disinfo agents. I know what you all have been going through. And thrown in my narcissism and all the many mistakes I made and wrong judgments – I get it. But I still find this over the top.

It is perfectly okay for me to decide myself what to promote from sott and what not. I trusted this group blindly in the past. But I learned that no group is infallible by default. I will continue to double check facts myself and make up my own final judgments which ever way that ends up to be. And if I am wrong, so be it.

I like to share the fact that as a result of all the suspicions and accusations six month ago, regarding my alleged “shady business dealings” (and which not check out) I have still an unpaid $2k+ accountant’s bill here on my desk that I run up trying to defend myself. Money I would have rather given to the QFG (which is what I planed at the time) than to give it to my accountants.

Now don’t get me wrong. I know that I got myself into it. But I have faced the consequences and stopped the fundraising project and abundant the doc idea. I have canceled it and told people publicly why that was. I can look in the mirror without shame.

At this present time, in my mind this project is canceled. And I haven’t thought about picking it up again since. But the future is open. Filmmaking is my profession. So I will not guaranty anybody that I will never ever do anything on this subject again. That too will be my decision to make.

The trailer: Yes, I actually did forget about it, because I am not thinking of this project.
And I will leave it up as I think it is good information that helps a lot of people to understand the very basics. However, just now, I took out the tag line at the end: “The Shocking New Documentary Arrives 2012” as that tag line is obviously outdate. YouTube tells me it will take some time before the changes will be visible online.

On last thing Robin: Yes, you did understand the FB Group wrong. It was only there to promote the Kickstarter campaign.

I still believe this is a great network, which is doing invaluable work for mankind. I am still as grateful as I ever was about what I learned and clearly I have still lots and lots more to learn and my progress on my own issues is painfully slow, if not even stagnant at times. I will still support this group and help to proliferate its great knowledge but I don’t seek its approval anymore.
 
Fifth Way said:
(of course not knowing it was Guardian at the time)

Really? Well then I apologize for not saying "this is Guardian" or something. We've chatted before so I thought you knew it was me.

asking me if the “rumor” was true that I was doing a video with/for Thomas Sheridan.
Yes I did, here's the entire conversation, from Facebook:


Betsy Griffin

Hiya Alexander,

Mind if I ask you a question? Are you planning on making a video with/for Thomas Sheridan?

I'd like to set this little rumor to rest if possible?
Thanks!
Betsy


Alexander Davidis
September 2

Who's rumor?


Betsy Griffin
September 2

Does that matter?


Alexander Davidis
September 2

Of course. Matters a great deal!

Betsy Griffin
September 2

Why? Either you are or you aren't?

Perhaps "speculation" would have been a better word?


Alexander Davidis
September 2

I think in principle you are right. So, the answer is: No I am not planing or making a video with/for Thomas Sheridan.


Betsy Griffin
September 2

Thanks smile
 
Fifth Way said:
Anyway, I then went on to the Forum-group-settings to set them to notify me so I can follow what’s going on in this thread. When I looked later in my notification-folder I saw that there was also a response on the private section of this forum on a thread that I started last winter. I wanted to look at it but oops; I got an error message:
“An Error Has Occurred! The topic or board you are looking for appears to be either missing or off limits to you.”

And since I cannot see the private section anymore it is clear that I have been kicked out of that part of the forum too. I also noticed that I have been bumped from another off-forum yahoo group, related to EE.

With all due respect Anart: Yes, l do find it unreasonable and completely disproportional to my alleged offence.

This seems to be all about you with no thought whatsoever to the experiences of this group vis a vis whackos that go off regularly. By now you should have seen/experienced enough to know that when a person appears to be behaving erratically (as you appeared to be doing) we don't wait to deal with the situation.

Fifth Way said:
Lets put this into perspective: I have promoted hundreds if not thousands of articles from sott over the eight years that I am member here and I still do it all the time. And I have publicly declared my complete and unfaltering support for this group over and over again (unlike many others with my real name on it http://cassiopaea-cult.com/statement-of-alexander-davidis-film-director-writer-producer/). I supported this group with words, with money, with actions and with long hard labor for years.

So I didn’t get it right all the time, or maybe even most of the time. Okay. I did and I am doing the best I can. If that is not enough for you, sorry. I have a fully packed life with thousands of problems of my own, just like everybody else and no time to spare.

Again, all about you and no thought for the suffering of others via attacks that have been carried on for years. And believe me, your support is not outstanding in terms of what others have done. As Gurdjieff said:

"One must realize in general that positive efforts and even sacrifices in the work do not justify or excuse mistakes which may follow. On the contrary, things that could be forgiven in a man who has made no efforts and who has sacrificed nothing will not be forgiven in another who has already made great sacrifices.

"This seems to be unjust, but one must understand the law. There is, as it were, a separate account kept for every man. His efforts and sacrifices are written down on one side of the book and his mistakes and misdeeds on the other side. What is written down on the positive side can never atone for what is written down on the negative side. What is recorded on the negative side can only be wiped out by the truth, that is to say, by an instant and complete confession to himself and to others and above all to the teacher. If a man sees his fault but continues to justify himself, a small offense may destroy the result of whole years of work and effort. In the work, therefore, it is often better to admit one's guilt even when one is not guilty.


Fifth Way said:
I find it unreasonable that because one person appears to be offended that I dared not to promote one specific sott article that she felt entitled to posted on my wall, that that same person is ousting me now as the potential next big disinformation agent. That a number of you can’t wait to jump on board and suggest that I am most likely colluding against this group with someone who seems to be (as it looks now) a sexual predator. That you go on and bump me off various private groups.

Again, all about you and no thought whatsoever of the experiences of others vis a vis pathology nor the signs of same.

Fifth Way said:
This is a public forum and if one googles my name (which many people do as I work with many different people all over the world) this thread with my real name in it, pops up not so far down the list.

So nobody exerts enough external consideration to realize that this may create damage in my life and/or for my work? Or is it that since I am a Persona non grata, everything is allowed anyway?

All about you.

Fifth Way said:
I understand the general concern about disinfo agents. I know what you all have been going through. And thrown in my narcissism and all the many mistakes I made and wrong judgments – I get it. But I still find this over the top.

Obviously, you DON'T understand the concern nor have you YET had the experiences that would help you understand. And saying "I still find this over the top" is disingenuous at best, lying to the self at worst.

Fifth Way said:
It is perfectly okay for me to decide myself what to promote from sott and what not. I trusted this group blindly in the past. But I learned that no group is infallible by default. I will continue to double check facts myself and make up my own final judgments which ever way that ends up to be. And if I am wrong, so be it.

In short, your decision to delete the article, which followed on many other decisions that were detrimental to the group is followed by this decision to no longer be a member of the group because that is, effectively, what it is.

Gurdjieff said:
First of all you must understand that in a group all are responsible for one another. A mistake on the part of one is considered as a mistake on the part of all. This is a law. And this law is well founded for, as you will see later, what one acquires is acquired also by all.

"The rule of common responsibility must be borne well in mind. It has another side also. Members of a group are responsible not only for the mistakes of others, but also for their failures. The success of one is the success of all. The failure of one is the failure of all. A grave mistake on the part of one, such as for instance the breaking of a fundamental rule, inevitably leads to the dissolution of the whole group.

"A group must work as one machine. The parts of the machine must know one another and help one another. In a group there can be no personal interests opposed to the interests of others, or opposed to the interests of the work, there can be no personal sympathies or antipathies which hinder the work. All the members of a group are friends and brothers, but if one of them leaves, and especially if he is sent away by the teacher, he ceases to be a friend and a brother and at once becomes a stranger, as one who is cut off. It often becomes a very hard rule, but nevertheless it is necessary. People may be lifelong friends and may enter a group together. Afterwards one of them leaves. The other then has no right to speak to him about the work of the group. The man who has left feels hurt, he does not understand this, and they quarrel. In order to avoid this where relations, such as husband and wife, mother and daughter, and so on, are concerned, we count them as one, that is, husband and wife are counted as one member of the group. Thus if one of them cannot go on with the work and leaves, the other is considered guilty and must also leave.

"Furthermore, you must remember that I can help you only to the extent that you help me. Moreover your help, especially at the beginning, will be reckoned not by actual results which are almost certain to be nil, but by the number and the magnitude of your efforts."

Fifth Way said:
I like to share the fact that as a result of all the suspicions and accusations six month ago, regarding my alleged “shady business dealings” (and which not check out) I have still an unpaid $2k+ accountant’s bill here on my desk that I run up trying to defend myself. Money I would have rather given to the QFG (which is what I planed at the time) than to give it to my accountants.

All about you again and no consideration for others at all, especially those you put at risk by involving them in your rackety business.

Fifth Way said:
Now don’t get me wrong. I know that I got myself into it. But I have faced the consequences and stopped the fundraising project and abundant the doc idea. I have canceled it and told people publicly why that was. I can look in the mirror without shame.

Gurdjieff said:
"Once there lived a wolf who slaughtered a great many sheep and reduced many people to tears.
"At length, I do not know why, he suddenly felt qualms of conscience and began to repent his life; so he decided to reform and to slaughter no more sheep.

"In order to do this seriously he went to a priest and asked him to hold a thanksgiving service.

"The priest began the service and the wolf stood weeping and praying in the church. The service was long. The wolf had slaughtered many of the priest's sheep, therefore the priest prayed earnestly that the wolf would indeed reform. Suddenly the wolf looked through a window and saw that sheep were being driven home. He began to fidget but the priest went on and on without end.

"At last the wolf could contain himself no longer and he shouted:
"'Finish it, priest! Or all the sheep will be driven home and I shall be left without supper!'

"This is a very good fairy tale because it describes man very well. He is ready to sacrifice everything, but after all today's dinner is a different matter.

Fifth Way said:
At this present time, in my mind this project is canceled. And I haven’t thought about picking it up again since. But the future is open. Filmmaking is my profession. So I will not guaranty anybody that I will never ever do anything on this subject again. That too will be my decision to make.

Glad we are clear on that last part. Again, you make it clear that you no longer wish to be a member of this group.

Fifth Way said:
I still believe this is a great network, which is doing invaluable work for mankind. I am still as grateful as I ever was about what I learned and clearly I have still lots and lots more to learn and my progress on my own issues is painfully slow, if not even stagnant at times. I will still support this group and help to proliferate its great knowledge but I don’t seek its approval anymore.

Gurdjieff said:
people usually think that they can sit between two stools, that is, that they can acquire the new and preserve the old; they do not think this consciously of course but it comes to the same thing.

"And what is it that they most of all desire to preserve? First the right to have their own valuation of ideas and of people, that is, that which is more harmful for them than anything else. They are fools and they already know it, that is to say, they realized it at one time. For this reason they came to learn. But they forget all about this the next moment; they are already bringing into the work their own paltry and subjective attitude; they begin to pass judgment on me and on everyone else as though they were able to pass judgment on anything. And this is immediately reflected in their attitude towards the ideas and towards what I say. Already 'they accept one thing' and 'they do not accept another thing'; with one thing they agree, with another they disagree; they trust me in one thing, in another thing they do not trust me.

"And the most amusing part is that they imagine they are able 'to work' under such conditions, that is, without trusting me in everything and without accepting everything. In actual fact this is absolutely impossible. By not accepting something or mistrusting something they immediately invent something of their own in its place. 'Gagging' begins —new theories and new explanations which have nothing in common either with the work or with what I have said. Then they begin to find faults and inaccuracies in everything that I say or do and in everything that others say or do. From this moment I now begin to speak of things about which I have no knowledge and even of things of which I have no conception, but which they know and understand much better than I do; all the other members of the group are fools, idiots. And so on, and so on, like a barrel organ. When a man says something on these lines I already know all he will say later on. And you also will know by the consequences. And it is amusing that people can see this in relation to others. But when they themselves do crazy things they at once cease to see it in relation to themselves. This is a law. It is difficult to climb the hill but very easy to slide down it. They even feel no embarrassment in talking in such a manner either with me or with other people. And chiefly they think that this can be combined with some kind of 'work.' They do not even want to understand that when a man reaches this notch his little song has been sung.

And so, since you have made your choice, and since there is no reason for this group to further consider you, then I don't feel obliged to bury this thread or remove your name.
 
Fifth Way said:
In the past a number of times some “FB-friends” - but really strangers - had posted unrelated stuff on that group and I had kept deleting it.

Based on the understanding I had about your group page at the time, I did not feel the article about Thomas Sheridan was unrelated.

Fifth Way said:
Next day I get this PM from Robin, who seemed offended that I dared to remove her post on my group. She gave herself the air of respectfulness (“I am writing this PM to respectfully ask why you removed the article and what were your reasons for its removal, besides the fact that you are the admin and well within your right to do so. “) …but I do not think it was truthful as she wasted no time (one day) to start this thread. Barely time enough for me to respond. Could it be that Robin’s pride was hurt and this thread was some form of retaliation?

My PM to you was sincere. I was not offended, but curious. This curiosity was born out of your group description, i.e. "getting educated on psychopathy". Which, by the way, stated NOTHING about your documentary.

I started this thread on the advice of another forum member. This thread was not started as some form of retaliation.

Fifth Way said:
I find it unreasonable that because one person appears to be offended that I dared not to promote one specific sott article that she felt entitled to posted on my wall, that that same person is ousting me now as the potential next big disinformation agent.
Again, I was not offended nor did I feel "entitled". I posted the article on your group page to inform/warn the other members of your group who may not have known about the article or Sheridan. I had no other intentions, nor a sense of entitlement.

Concerning the title of this thread, I originally posted it in the SOTT section of the forum with the title of the Sheridan article as the heading. It was after I started the thread there in the SOTT section that the thread title was changed and moved to this section of the forum, however this change in title or section was not done by me.

Fifth Way said:
On last thing Robin: Yes, you did understand the FB Group wrong. It was only there to promote the Kickstarter campaign.
If I "got it wrong", I "got it wrong" because YOU did not state in the description of your group page that it was solely "to promote the Kickstarter campaign". Again, "to promote the Kickstarter campaign" was stated NOWHERE in your description.

As far as: “Who is Robin Xxxxxxxxx?” I think the better question to ask is: "Who is Alexander Davidis?"

I realize I am a "newbie" on the scene, but I have not promoted myself as "forerunner" in the field of psychopathy or any other field for that matter. You on the other hand have, thereby lending yourself to scrutiny. As a "forerunner" you should have complete transparency which you have not based on what I have read here in this forum and what you have written in this thread.
 
Robin said:
Concerning the title of this thread, I originally posted it in the SOTT section of the forum with the title of the Sheridan article as the heading. It was after I started the thread there in the SOTT section that the thread title was changed and moved to this section of the forum, however this change in title or section was not done by me.

It was done by me. Figure it out, Alexander, if you are able.
 
Fifth Way said:
It was like this:
I had just stepped off a trans-continental flight, arriving back at home after a 14-hour travel with my two kids and having been away for many weeks. While I was gone construction had been going on outside, next door and workers had put play wood on my terrace that had gotten all wet and molded during my absence. The place stank like a landfill. I also brought half a foot of mail upstairs. So with other words, I was extremely exhausted and in a rather foul mood.
Seems you're always 'exhausted and in a foul mood'. At least this excuse is better than the usual one citing email problems.

Fifth Way said:
I fired up my computer, look at emails and checked FB. Here I noticed a new post on my Psychopathy group. The fact that there was a new post to begin with bothered me already in my foul mood. I was angry with myself because I wanted to shut this group down since a while but hadn’t done so. In the past a number of times some “FB-friends” - but really strangers - had posted unrelated stuff on that group and I had kept deleting it. The reason why I hadn’t deleted the group already was simply because I could not figure out how (there is no simple delete function). But then again it was never a priority either as I was busy with other things. I just never spend the time to figure it out.
These issues are never a priority with you because they don't serve your interests. You know right from wrong yet you never make a move to completely rectify a situation if it's in the best interests of others but rather seem to consistently seek to serve self.

Fifth Way said:
I looked at the link and scanned through the article and though “What????” I couldn’t believe what I was seeing. Having been subject to serious scrutiny by this group myself six months ago and considering my overall mood, I admittedly questioned the validity of this article at that time. However, I do not anymore. But I did not make my final judgment that day. I wanted to read through it there and then but my head was just too scrambled. I could not concentrate. I also noticed that there was a link to the forum-thread that I followed and of course I was overwhelmed by the amount that had already been written. So I thought: “I’m not going to deal with this right now.” And: “Who is Robin Xxxxxxxxx?” And: “I need to close this group.” And: “I’m taking this article off. When I have the time to really look into it I can always repost it later on my personal wall or not.”
Most people who had undergone the same 'serious scrutiny' you had would have scrambled to do whatever it took to set things straight. That is, if what was said to them had any worth whatsoever.

Fifth Way said:
I did not get around to catch up with all the reading in time. Next day I get this PM from Robin, who seemed offended that I dared to remove her post on my group. She gave herself the air of respectfulness (“I am writing this PM to respectfully ask why you removed the article and what were your reasons for its removal, besides the fact that you are the admin and well within your right to do so. “) …but I do not think it was truthful as she wasted no time (one day) to start this thread. Barely time enough for me to respond. Could it be that Robin’s pride was hurt and this thread was some form of retaliation?
Or is it that you don't like people in general and women in particular telling you or 'it' no? That is, of course, assuming that there are two.

Fifth Way said:
So I’m thinking: “Oh, great, that was obviously the wrong decision yesterday.” And my next thought was again: “How can I close this damn group?”

I looked again at all the FB settings but only found one to set the group to secret. I did that as a temporary solution and then I sent Robin my truthful answer which as been quoted earlier in this thread.
Or stalling until you could think of a way out of this latest mess?

Fifth Way said:
Then somebody immediately asked on the group: “Why is this set to secret now? I thought you want to inform people???” …I am paraphrasing.

So I googled “How to shut down a FB group?” Turns out one has to delete every single member individually (in this case many, many hundreds), while making sure one does not delete oneself (the admin) by mistake because then the group will exist forever! Not unlike the Kickstarter Campaign page, which apparently cannot be deleted at all.

I deleted all members one by one and last me. It took forever.
Which would point to one of several possible reasons why the page remained up in the first place - to retain an audience for any future endeavors. It didn't serve you to have to start from scratch.

Fifth Way said:
But to find out what this nasty rumor was all about I went on the forum and searched for my name and voila; I find this thread. …And all the other places where my full real name pops up including Sheridan’s thread as well, with all those nice assumptions that this vile, penis obsessed person, that only stepped into the limelight less than a year ago with his book, and I, known in this group for 8 years, are “most likely” in bed together planning some kind of “Hollywood-revenge” on this group. I am paraphrasing again. The sheer patheticness of this idea really floored me.


For your information: I have no desires for revenge. I haven’t even been thinking of my project cancellation nor Sheridan for many months and I have no ties with him whatsoever and never had.
Perhaps the idea of revenge comes up because it's what you have been known to do? In my personal experience (as of January of this year, I'd known Alexander for approximately 1 year and 3 months), whenever someone tells you no, it seems there is usually hell to pay.

Fifth Way said:
Anyway, I then went on to the Forum-group-settings to set them to notify me so I can follow what’s going on in this thread. When I looked later in my notification-folder I saw that there was also a response on the private section of this forum on a thread that I started last winter. I wanted to look at it but oops; I got an error message:
“An Error Has Occurred! The topic or board you are looking for appears to be either missing or off limits to you.”

And since I cannot see the private section anymore it is clear that I have been kicked out of that part of the forum too. I also noticed that I have been bumped from another off-forum yahoo group, related to EE.
Quite frankly, I never understood why you didn't remove yourself to begin with. The only time you seem to post is when situations like these pop up.

Interesting how you write the above - as if to make others think you were arbitrarily removed through no fault of your own. While there's not much I can speak to that situation as it does involve others, I will say that it was by your own admission back in January, that you no longer wanted to be involved when you found you could no longer use it to serve your ego. It is my opinion alone that, that decision was made by you due to narcissitic rage - in other words, sour grapes. It was the generosity and willingness to give you the benefit of the doubt by the group at large that allowed you to continue on. Unfortunately because you lack the ability to value benevolence and seem to take it as a sign of weakness and/or permission to do what 'it' likes, you use any and every situation to play the victim.

Fifth Way said:
With all due respect Anart: Yes, l do find it unreasonable and completely disproportional to my alleged offence.

Lets put this into perspective: I have promoted hundreds if not thousands of articles from sott over the eight years that I am member here and I still do it all the time. And I have publicly declared my complete and unfaltering support for this group over and over again (unlike many others with my real name on it http://cassiopaea-cult.com/statement-of-alexander-davidis-film-director-writer-producer/). I supported this group with words, with money, with actions and with long hard labor for years.

So I didn’t get it right all the time, or maybe even most of the time. Okay. I did and I am doing the best I can. If that is not enough for you, sorry. I have a fully packed life with thousands of problems of my own, just like everybody else and no time to spare.
Yet others find the time to do the Work. Others don't try to use every opportunity to get over and serve the self. Others remain in the fire and attempt to grow something real within themselves instead of consistently giving in to the smallest part of themselves which for me begs the question, why do you stay? I'm genuinely asking this.

Fifth Way said:
I find it unreasonable that because one person appears to be offended that I dared not to promote one specific sott article that she felt entitled to posted on my wall, that that same person is ousting me now as the potential next big disinformation agent. That a number of you can’t wait to jump on board and suggest that I am most likely colluding against this group with someone who seems to be (as it looks now) a sexual predator. That you go on and bump me off various private groups.
If you think this is simply about this last situation then you are sadly mistaken. This is about the culmination of all that has come to pass.

Fifth Way said:
This is a public forum and if one googles my name (which many people do as I work with many different people all over the world) this thread with my real name in it, pops up not so far down the list.

So nobody exerts enough external consideration to realize that this may create damage in my life and/or for my work? Or is it that since I am a Persona non grata, everything is allowed anyway?
Do you ever consider the damage you create in the lives of others? Or does it only matter when you're the one having difficulties?

Fifth Way said:
I understand the general concern about disinfo agents. I know what you all have been going through. And thrown in my narcissism and all the many mistakes I made and wrong judgments – I get it. But I still find this over the top.

It is perfectly okay for me to decide myself what to promote from sott and what not. I trusted this group blindly in the past. But I learned that no group is infallible by default. I will continue to double check facts myself and make up my own final judgments which ever way that ends up to be. And if I am wrong, so be it.
You've been trusting your own judgement for a long time now and from where I sit, it's gotten you into nothing but a world of trouble. While everyone is free and, in fact, encouraged to make their own choices, yours seem to consistanly lead you down the wrong path.

Fifth Way said:
I like to share the fact that as a result of all the suspicions and accusations six month ago, regarding my alleged “shady business dealings” (and which not check out) I have still an unpaid $2k+ accountant’s bill here on my desk that I run up trying to defend myself. Money I would have rather given to the QFG (which is what I planed at the time) than to give it to my accountants.
For someone living in the neighborhood and in particular, the apartment you do, you certainly cry poverty a lot. Many people in that position consider downsizing their life. That usually means a cheaper apartment that doesn't include a wraparound terrace and fireplace. In other words, they don't try to live a champagne lifestyle on a beer budget.

Fifth Way said:
Now don’t get me wrong. I know that I got myself into it. But I have faced the consequences and stopped the fundraising project and abundant the doc idea. I have canceled it and told people publicly why that was. I can look in the mirror without shame.
At this point, it's difficult for me to believe what you say. As always, with time, the truth will out.

Fifth Way said:
At this present time, in my mind this project is canceled. And I haven’t thought about picking it up again since. But the future is open. Filmmaking is my profession. So I will not guaranty anybody that I will never ever do anything on this subject again. That too will be my decision to make.
While filmmaking may be your profession, it's not your life and the people around you aren't pa's (production assistants) or worse yet, interns. Your life isn't one big production and it's not your right to treat others as if they are less than. Other people's lives aren't all about you.

Fifth Way said:
The trailer: Yes, I actually did forget about it, because I am not thinking of this project.
And I will leave it up as I think it is good information that helps a lot of people to understand the very basics. However, just now, I took out the tag line at the end: “The Shocking New Documentary Arrives 2012” as that tag line is obviously outdate. YouTube tells me it will take some time before the changes will be visible online.
As always, we'll come to see if this is true.
 
Fifth Way said:
The trailer: Yes, I actually did forget about it, because I am not thinking of this project.
And I will leave it up as I think it is good information that helps a lot of people to understand the very basics. However, just now, I took out the tag line at the end: “The Shocking New Documentary Arrives 2012” as that tag line is obviously outdate. YouTube tells me it will take some time before the changes will be visible online.

Leaving the trailer up, with or without the tagline, still leaves viewers/subscribers with the impression or indicates indirectly that you are "knowledgeable" in the topic of psychopathy, especially when considering the following comment made by you below the video:

Psychopathy does not begin in Chidhood,There is a genetic factor,it depends on there childhood if they were loved they cope if not well you get the children you deserve.The claim that they do not get depressed is bullshit.I have nursed many depressed psychopaths.
HarveyPriceFTW 5 months ago

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Right. They played the victim for you and you fell for it.
MrPinkWhiteBlack in reply to HarveyPriceFTW 5 months ago 8

[See: _https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TKSYbHuQdA]

How is it that you think you can promote/leave up your video on YouTube and make statements such as the one above, which shows or implies you are knowledgeable in psychopathy, and yet think that you will remain impervious to any scrutiny, be it from a newbie (which seems to translate as "nobody" in some people's minds) or from someone who is more well known?

When I first started this thread, I unwittingly added yet another piece of the puzzle to the question of, ""Who is Alexander Davidis?", but this ony came about because Alexander Davidis is not forthcoming/transparent about this question himself. Unless you find redemption via the Work, it is my hope that this thread or any other thread that scrutinizes you remains within the "public eye", because, in my newbie opinion, I think you like Thomas Sheridan, are a potential danger not only to yourself but to the public at large.
 
Guardian said:
Guardian said:
So do I, so I guess I have hope for Alex because I still have hope for myself?

...and then, he opened his mouth. :rolleyes:


Yes, yes, he did. :shock:

I read his post before reading Laura's reply, and almost posted the same thing you did.

A lot of excuses in his post about how he couldn't manage to shut down the project like the "pro" that he claims to be, after he was told that he wasn't the right person for the job.

Apparently, attention to detail is not his forte.


This part is damning:

Fifth Way said:
At this present time, in my mind this project is canceled. And I haven’t thought about picking it up again since. But the future is open. Filmmaking is my profession. So I will not guaranty anybody that I will never ever do anything on this subject again. That too will be my decision to make.

Maybe it's just me, but the above statement feels like what I'd expect from a 13-14 year-old being defiant and trying to exercise "power" in their relationship with a parent with respect to their understanding of the outside world.

It's a little bizarre coming from a so-called adult.



edit: clarity
 
Azur said:
This part is damning:

Fifth Way said:
At this present time, in my mind this project is canceled. And I haven’t thought about picking it up again since. But the future is open. Filmmaking is my profession. So I will not guaranty anybody that I will never ever do anything on this subject again. That too will be my decision to make.

Maybe it's just me, but the above statement feels like what I'd expect from a 13-14 year-old being defiant and trying to exercise "power" in their relationship with a parent with respect to their understanding of the outside world.

It's a little bizarre coming from a so-called adult.

edit: clarity

It's not just childish, it's damning to any ideas he has of working on himself and being of any real service to others. Let's be clear: Alexander came to this group because he had a LOT of problems. A lot of energy from many, many people were given to trying to help him solve those problems. Dealing with him was like dealing with a kid who required a lot of explaining and input. I've got a whole folder full of LOOOOONG emails of personal assistance to him. And then, once he gets rid of the rich wife, gets what he wants, bamboozles the U.S. government to keep his green card (which was something we didn't know about!) so he isn't deported, and all of a sudden he is NOW able to make his own decisions. He actually thinks he can think with the way he thinks.

As Gurdjieff said, such people are their own worst enemies and nothing could be worse than being in charge of their own lives because always and inevitably, they end up in the soup.
 
Laura said:
It's not just childish, it's damning to any ideas he has of working on himself and being of any real service to others. Let's be clear: Alexander came to this group because he had a LOT of problems. A lot of energy from many, many people were given to trying to help him solve those problems. Dealing with him was like dealing with a kid who required a lot of explaining and input. I've got a whole folder full of LOOOOONG emails of personal assistance to him. And then, once he gets rid of the rich wife, gets what he wants, bamboozles the U.S. government to keep his green card (which was something we didn't know about!) so he isn't deported, and all of a sudden he is NOW able to make his own decisions. He actually thinks he can think with the way he thinks.

Sounds to me like AD/FW paid a whole lot of 'lip-service' to doing the Work in order to glean what he needed from the forum not just to promote himself as a "forerunner" in psychopathy, but perhaps to keep the network in his 'back pocket' for any future money making idea/project. As stated in an earlier post within this thread, IMO, his selfish, manipulative behavior very much represents someone who is "stuck" in the cycle of abuse [externally] (tension building/communication breakdown; incident/blaming/threats; reconciliation/apology; calm/honeymoon phase) and in a cycle of mechanical suffering [internally] which serves, either knowingly or unknowingly, his "false personality" including the promotion of his short term goals.

To break this cycle of mechanical suffering, AD/FW must first realize the type of suffering he is experiencing. Gurdjieff states in ISOTM:

Another thing that people must sacrifice is their suffering. It is very difficult also to sacrifice one's suffering. A man will renounce any pleasures you like but he will not give up his suffering. Man is made in such a way that he is never so much attached to anything as he is to his suffering. And it is necessary to be free from suffering. No one who is not free from suffering, who has not sacrificed his suffering, can work. Later on a great deal must be said about suffering. Nothing can be attained without suffering but at the same time one must begin by sacrificing suffering. Now, decipher what this means.

To decipher/clarify:

For godly sorrow [conscious suffering] worketh repentance unto salvation, a repentance which bringeth no regret: but the sorrow of the world [mechanical suffering] worketh death. (II Cor. 8-11)

Or:

Learn thou to [consciously] suffer, and thou shalt be able not to [mechanically] suffer. (Acts of John)

And from the glossary at Cassiopaea.com (http://glossary.cassiopaea.com/glossary.php?id=731):

We could say that mechanical suffering is rooted in subjectivity and consideration for self. Intentional or conscious suffering is on the other hand rooted in internal struggle for objectivity. It is choosing the higher in the place of the lower, choosing external considering in the place of internal considering, for example. Of course before this makes sense, there must exist some sort of taste for differentiating between these.

Much like a addict or alcoholic, AD/FW must first gain the ability to "see"/differentiate between the two types of suffering, admit to his addiction to mechanical suffering in a truthful non-manipulative way, and then genuinely commit to DO-ing the Work it takes to free himself from this cycle.

I may be totally 'off the mark' here because my view of AD/FW (based on AD/FW's actions and writing) is filtered through the lens of my experience with my pathological, alcoholic, charming, and manipulative father who AD/FW very much reminds me of, therefore my assessment may be just a from of projection.
 

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