Hi
MJF. I wrote an email to the museum (
Kunstkamera) with questions regarding this artifact. I attached a scan of the
Nexus Magazine article and described the situation in detail.
If these guys (from the museum) don't think I'm the town crazy, they should reply to the email. Let's hope so.
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That's not all. Recently I saw an interesting video of an Indian researcher of temples, Hinduism and paleocontact. His name is
Praveen Mohan, you may have heard of him. He was invited to "
Ancient Aliens" several times. I consider this guy a conscientious researcher, although he is a bit obsessed with Hinduism.
So, this time
Praveen Mohan visited not India, but
Indonesia. This place is called
Candi Sukuh Temple -
Sukuh - Wikipedia
This is a very strange place, which is several stone buildings, including a pyramid similar to the Mayan pyramid (from Mesoamerica, but we are in
INDONESIA). In addition, there are stone statues and stone bas-reliefs that contain interesting scenes.
Here is all we have there:
- people with elongated skulls, including giants.
- reptilian creatures with elongated skulls.
- scenes of hybrid creatures. Hybrids of pigs and cows (pigs with horns and tails of cows). Hybrids of people and reptiles.
- a weird guy with a big head (and the appearance of a gray alien) and the beard of an Egyptian pharaoh (let me remind you, we are in Indonesia).
- Baphomet? -
And how do you like the
Ark of the Covenant, carved in stone, next to the reptilian guys?
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In general, it looks pretty crazy. But it was carved in stone hundreds (or thousands) of years ago. And later consigned to oblivion and destroyed (some of the statues were deliberately damaged) and buried in the ground. Until it was dug up in our times.
What do you think about all this?
Thank you very much for writing to the
Kunstkamera. I greatly appreciate it. Let's see if it elicits a response. Who knows, it might even get them to research into it.
These stone carvings at the Temple of
Candi Sukuh are a very interesting indeed. Hinduism is, of course, one of the oldest religions in the world and its roots at one stage spread out far and wide beyond India. There were certainly ancient trade links between the Indian Sub-continent and the Middle East, including Mesopotamia and Babylon and what is now the Saudi Peninsula. I recall that one Forum member on this thread suggested that the ritual practised at Mecca during the Haj (pilgrimage) where Moslem pilgrims process seven times around the Kaaba Stone in a circular fashion derives from ancient Hindu temple rites where Hindu worshipers would similarly perform a seven fold rotation around the temple. Hence, this practice may well be a holdover from pre-Islamic times when Mecca was a pagan shrine for several deities that may have been influenced by Hinduism and its ritual practices.
It seems Hinduism spread to Indonesia with Indian traders in the 1st century AD. Although it took hold quickly, the Indonesian people would give it their own unique interpretation, which involved a syncretic fusion of the pre-existing Javanese folk religion (which was mainly animist in nature plus ancestor worship), culture and Hindu ideas, that from the 6th-century also synthesized Buddhist ideas too, which eventually emerged as the Indonesian version of Hinduism. However, about 1400 AD, these kingdoms were introduced to Islam from coastal-based Muslim traders, and thereafter Hinduism, which was previously the dominant religion in the region, mostly vanished from many of the islands of Indonesia with the principal exception being Bali, which still remains 85% Hindu. Since Islam is an iconoclastic religion (literally involving the smashing or destruction of graven images or icons), it is not surprising that these and other ancient Hindu stone carvings were damaged or buried. It is a wonder they survived at all.
Yes, I have heard of
Praveen Mohan and have seen him often as a guest on episodes of ancient aliens. He is most likely a bit obsessed with Hinduism because he is a Hindu. However, I think he is a diligent researcher and shows a great enthusiasm for his subject, a quality I like. I am intrigued though that you should mention people with elongated skulls, including giants, and also reptilian creatures with elongated skulls. This could mean the Nephilim were present in Indonesia at some stage. Afterall, they were present on the other side of the Pacific Ocean on Easter Island so why not Indonesia. However, the presence of reptilian creatures with elongated skulls may suggest the Lizard beings were also present in Indonesia at one time. The C's said they had lived openly with mankind for a thousand years prior to the destruction of Atlantis, so perhaps they had a presence in Indonesia.
Indeed, there is an ancient megalithic site in Indonesia, which some researchers believe is much older than Stonehenge or Göbekli Tepe in Turkey. This site is at
Gunung Padang in Java. Some researchers believe there may have been an ancient civilisation based there up to 20,000 years ago (see:
That Ancient Indonesian Pyramid Believed to Be 11,000 Years Older Than Göbekli Tepe Has Been “Discovered” Again). However, in fairness, the site remains the subject of an ongoing controversy regarding its authenticity.
Gunung Padang
You also mention that there are several stone buildings, including a pyramid similar to the Mayan pyramids from Mesoamerica, at Candi Sukuh. This might suggest there was some cross contact in ancient times (certainly pre-Columban) between Indonesia and South America. Is there anything in South America, on the other side of the Pacific, which might back this up? Well yes there is and, interestingly, Praveen Mohan has been there and investigated it. The site concerned is the
San Agustín Archaeological Park, which a large archaeological area located near the town of
San Agustín in
Huila Department in Colombia, South America. So, yet again we encounter a reference to St Augustine (quoting the C's: "
And who was Saint Augustine/San Augustin... Augustus, Augustine Monks, etc?"). See:
San Agustín Archaeological Park - Wikipedia
In another episode of Ancient Aliens, Praveen Mohan was invited by
David Hatcher Childress to join him at the Park to look at the strange statues unearthed there. Mohan immediately recognised that many of these statues of the gods had counterparts in Hindu tradition. He had examples on his cell phone which he was readily able to show Childress for comparisons sake.
The statues present both anthropomorphic and zoomorphic features (from
crocodiles, bats and jaguars), having short legs. There were found approximately 300 statues. They were painted in bright colours, mainly yellow, red, black and white, but today only a few of them are still coloured.
The statues vary in height, the tallest being 23 feet (7.0 m) tall. In other regions of the archaeological site where large burial mounds are located, you will see more intimidating figures such as snakes, frogs, and birds strategically place to stand guard for increased protecting during the afterlife. Statues of deities or carving on the ground, of both solar gods, males, and lunar gods, females. These figures and statues provide researchers with some limited insight into the civilization's perception of life and death (see examples below).
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You will note that the statue above bears something of a resemblance to some of the anthropomorphic stone statues discovered at Göbekli Tepe.
The statue above may be depicting the same fanged deity as the previous statue but this time the figure is covered by a dolmen, a megalithic structure commonly seen in Celtic Western Europe but also in North America too. The dates of the statues are uncertain, but they are believed to have been carved between 5–400 AD. The origin of the carvers remains a mystery, as the site is largely unexcavated.
The statues at Temple of Candi Sukuh could not have been carved any earlier than the 1st century AD, so there is the chance that the statues at San Agustín Archaeological Park may be fairly contemporary. If Praveen Mohan is correct in his assertions, then the similarity with Hindu iconography suggests there may well have been some cultural contact between Hindus from either India or Indonesia (or elsewhere) and the native peoples who then inhabited this part of Columbia.
I am also intrigued by the birdman statue discovered at Candi Sukuh for in Hindu mythology the birdman (a symbol also frequently seen in MesoAmerica) the birdman usually signifies the Hindu deity Garuda. Garuda is usually shown either in a zoomorphic form (a giant bird with partially open wings) or an anthropomorphic form (a man with wings and some ornithic features). Below is an Indian depiction of Garuda for comparison purposes:
Throughout the Mahabharata, Garuda is invoked as a symbol of impetuous violent force, speed, and martial prowess. I therefore suggest that the Indonesian statue is most probably an Indonesian stylised version of Garuda. Perhaps a link may also be found here with Central and South American flying serpent gods such as
Quetzalcoatl in Aztec Mexico and
Kukulkan, who was revered by the Yucatec Maya.
Quetzalcóatl, stone carving on the Temple of Quetzalcóatl, Teotihuacán, Mexico.
As to the Mayans, the C's said they had direct dealings with the Lizard beings in the Session dated 5 August 1995, which was channelled through Frank, hence Laura's comments in parentheses:
Q: (L) Who and what were the Mayans?
A: The Mayans were a transitory people who still exist in the lands that you refer to as Central America. And who have certain physical features that are not consistent with the rest of human beings on 3rd density Earth environment, due to their interactions, in the past, as you measure time, with beings of other density levels.
{More good info and probably accurate since there is no emotional attachment.}
Q: (L) What beings would those be?
A: Well, we have described 4th density STS beings on many occasions.
Q: (L) The Lizard Beings?
A: Indeed.
Q: (L) Who was Arajuna of Tiahuanaco?
A: Well, we believe that you are referring to one of approximately eight hybrids that ruled the area currently referred to as Central America. Hybrids being a 4th density to 3rd density transfer experiment from the Lizard race to the human race, which was abandoned after approximately 240 years of experimentation by the Lizard Beings, due to the lack of success for sustaining physical duplication, or reproduction of the race. It was one of several attempts by the Lizard Beings to directly transmit their souls into 3rd density environment for permanent placement there. And, of course it is no longer perceived as necessary by them because their intention is to rule 3rd density beings in 4th density when they arrive there.
{More good info and probably accurate since there is no emotional attachment.}
Q: (L) Who built the city of Tiahuanaco?
A: The Lizard Beings in cooperation with humans.
{More good info and probably accurate since there is no emotional attachment.}
Q: (L) When was it built?
A: Varying time frames since it seems to have been destroyed at two points. We have to estimate an average of 8,000 years prior to the current time, as you measure it.
{More good info and probably accurate since there is no emotional attachment.}
Coming back to your description of reptilian creatures with elongated skulls found at Candi Sukuh, this makes me wonder if the Indonesians also had contact with the Lizard beings. We know from the C's that the Lizard beings had contact with Indian people at Mohenjo-Daro in what is now the
Larkana District, Sindh, Pakistan:
A: Lizards directly. Coatzlmundi legend ties into this directly look at illustrations on stones now.
Q: Who is Coatzlmundi?
A: Other deity of the Lizards worshipped by the Atlanteans and their descendants [MJF: which includes the Mayans] because of the direct contact with humans for 1000 years.
Q: Now, you said Mohenjo Daro was built by the Lizzies directly. Did they occupy this city themselves?
A: No.
Q: When was this city last inhabited continually?
A: 3065 years ago.
Q: When was it built?
A: 6092 years ago.
However, the C's also said that the Lizards were directly involved with the construction of the Cambodian city of Angkor Wat:
Q: (L) Who built the city of Angkor Wat?
A: That was built by the Lizard Beings themselves. Built approximately 3108 years ago.
Q: (L) Who built the city of Mohenjo Daro?
A: That also was built by the Lizard Beings directly.
Q: (L) Did they live in these cities?
A: No, as stated before, they did not live there, they visited or occupied on a temporary basis, but did not live there.
Q: (L) Who did they build the cities for?
A: They built the cities for themselves and their worshippers amongst humans.
Now the construction of Angkor Wat in Cambodia in 1100 BC is closer both geographically and in time to the construction of Candi Sukuh in Indonesia than to Mohenjo Daro in Pakistan in 4000 BC. Could the Lizards have had, therefore, a similar involvement with the Indonesians, which might explain the discovery of the elongated skulls of reptilian beings (who presumably died in 3D to have left their physical remains behind)? We should recall here how the C's once described the Lizard beings to Laura:
Q: (L) And could you tell us what the Lizzies look like?
A: Upright alligators with some humanoid features in face.
You also mention the depiction of a grey alien, which again creates a connection to the Lizard being since the greys are their 4D probes. However, I once mentioned on this thread, the depiction of a grey alien at the Temple of Abydos in Egypt, which suggests the greys may have had a direct involvement with the ancient Egyptians in a similar timeframe to that of the Lizards interactions with the Cambodians at Angkor Wat. However, I believe the ancient Egyptians may have had their own direct involvement with the Lizards since one of their major deities, especially during the 12th dynasty, was the crocodile god Sobek, the god of strength, power and crocodiles.
As the Crocodile God, Sobek protected the Egyptian army, the pharaohs, and the ancient Egyptian people. His strength and courage allowed the Pharaoh to overcome obstacles and also protected him from evil magic. Sobek first appeared in the Old Kingdom and is portrayed as a full crocodile or as a human with a crocodile head (see below):
Could we be looking at a stylised version of an upright alligator with some humanoid features in the face here perhaps? Let us not forget what the C's said about the interactions of the Lizard beings with primitive peoples in both the jungle (Mayans?) and the desert (Egyptians/Mesopotamians?):
Q
: Are you saying that when the observer's viewpoint is that the snake is a symbol of higher learning, maybe...
A: Maybe the observer was just "blown away" by the experience.
Q: Clarify, please.
A: If you were living in the desert, or jungle, about 7,000 years ago, as you measure time, would you not be impressed if these Reptoid "dudes" came down from the heavens in silvery objects and demonstrated techno-wonders from thousands of years in the future, and taught you calculus, geometry and astrophysics to boot?!?
Q: Is that, in fact, what happened?
A: Yup.
I hope to have more to say about Sobek and how this deity became so important during the 12th dynasty in Egypt once I have finished reading Andrew Collin's book The First Female Pharaoh Sobekneferu, Goddess of the Seven Stars.
