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That´s very helpful information to discern :) Thanks again!There is a lot of dodgy stuff out there indeed.
That´s very helpful information to discern :) Thanks again!There is a lot of dodgy stuff out there indeed.
This is a typo - should be 0.3 gramsI take about 0.3h of dry caps every morning on an empty stomach.
The tincture I got says: A. muscaria - Fully decarbed 30% alc. made of 3gr fresh A. muscaria per ml.I purchased a bottle of tincture, I believe it's 2000 mg, 1 ounce (30ml) but I can't equate that into a mathematical formula of how many drops to take. Possibly a questionable vendor because I ordered it before I saw the list of approved ones.. The directions on the box say it's not to be ingested at all, I think because of FDA regulations. The dosage is one dropper but there are no markings on the dropper.
Being cautious, I just took two drops under my tongue before bed on Monday, but no chande in sleep. Last night I took three drops under my tongue and still no change. What I'm looking for, is help with sleep so I'm hesitant to take it in the morning, because I'm sensitive to things and I don't want to be all wired out all day, I already have high morning cortisol and anxiety. Then again, I just may be one of the people that it doesn't work on. I will keep experimenting slowly and perhaps try ordering something different from one of the approved vendors.
And in reading this information, I also found that it can be beneficial for the sleep cycle, so this also made me realize that it could help me with my sleep and my energy.(Z...) ...unravels her clinical survey of over 3000 subjects followed over several years and they all report significant improvement with a whole range of different medical conditions. This is still considered anecdotal evidence and up to this date there are no proper double blind studies. No serious scientist wants to touch the subject due to Amanita’s extremely bad press. So the question is, is micro dosing Amanita indeed helpful to restore sleep cycle and achieve good quality restful sleep?
(L) Is it useful for this purpose?
A: Yes generally.
Q: (Z...) If so, at what price?
(L) When you ask that, do you mean, is there a downside?
(Andromeda) Side effects?
(Z...) Exactly. Or also some sort of esoteric price that we have to pay.
A: Very little and easily balanced.
Q: (Z...) Is Amanita tincture applied externally on the affected limbs indeed helpful for neuromuscular conditions as claimed?
A: Yes.
Et en lisant ces informations, je constate aussi qu'il peut être bénéfique concernant le cycle du sommeil, alors ceci m'a aussi fait prendre en conscience que ça pourrait m'aider du côté de mon sommeil et de mon énergie.(Z...) ...unravels her clinical survey of over 3000 subjects followed over several years and they all report significant improvement with a whole range of different medical conditions. This is still considered anecdotal evidence and up to this date there are no proper double blind studies. No serious scientist wants to touch the subject due to Amanita’s extremely bad press. So the question is, is micro dosing Amanita indeed helpful to restore sleep cycle and achieve good quality restful sleep?
(L) Is it useful for this purpose?
A: Yes generally.
Q: (Z...) If so, at what price?
(L) When you ask that, do you mean, is there a downside?
(Andromeda) Side effects?
(Z...) Exactly. Or also some sort of esoteric price that we have to pay.
A: Very little and easily balanced.
Q: (Z...) Is Amanita tincture applied externally on the affected limbs indeed helpful for neuromuscular conditions as claimed?
A: Yes.
Apparently it is very hard to find well documented cases of actual death caused by Amanita muscaria. However there is another member of Amanita family - Amanita phalloides which is highly toxic and deadly also known as Death Cap - 90 % of world mushroom fatalites are attributed to this mushroom.Very interesting your experiences Z... and especially on the precautions to take.
The Amanita mushroom also appealed to me without knowing it, but I realized it when I read the October 19 session. Let me explain:
2 weeks earlier, I had listened to a series I watch with my partner about fictitious legal cases (it's a soap opera called “Les indéfendables”), and there was a story about a woman who had been accused of poisoning due to mushrooms she had picked. But she was mistaken: it was the “fly agaric” that had been harvested. Afterwards, she cooked her dried mushrooms in a meal that she shared with the family. Unfortunately, 2 people who had eaten them died. Don't forget that this is a fictional story, but for me, I knew that she wasn't responsible, but rather that it was negligence on her part.
During those two weeks, without thinking about the story described above, I wondered what product and cream I could find to massage my lower back, where I feel constant pain and tension. I also have sleep problems that are interrupted at night by discomfort, joint pain (shoulders and neck) and heat due to my menopause. So I often wake up in the morning feeling tired and lacking energy. In my heart, I'm hoping to find a natural product that could be my ally in relieving these tensions and physical pains. Especially as I've been doing gypsy/oriental dance for 2 years to help me regain flexibility in my pelvis and lower back, also my shoulders to my neck. I've also had osteopathic treatment and am currently undergoing treatment with an orthopedist to help release these muscular and joint tensions. But despite my efforts, the tension and pain are still there. However, I know that all these pains are also linked to memory blocks about my past and my experiences. So, for the past year, I've been on a progress path of introspection and transformation, trying as best I can to do the work we need to do to move forward, and the next step will be my diet.
Having said that, I was surprised to read about the amanita muscaria mushroom (being the fly-killing fungus I've observed before) in the October 19 session, and to see that it not only has a negative side, but also a beneficial side, and that it can bring muscular relief, as mentioned in the session:
And in reading this information, I also found that it can be beneficial for the sleep cycle, so this also made me realize that it could help me with my sleep and my energy.
So I looked for suppliers where I could find a cream to apply externally, as well as a tincture that had been prepared specifically for sleep cycles. Living in Quebec, this wasn't easy, but I was able to find someone who sells and manufactures this kind of product with different mushrooms, including amanita muscaria, and she's located in Canada. I'm happy because I don't have to go through customs because in our country, it's illegal to do this kind of business, but with delivery within the country, it's incognito.
When I receive my order and start experimenting with these products, I'll try to give you a report on my experience, whether it was beneficial, negative or of no effect to me. As I'm sure it's different for everyone.
Thank you for introducing us to this unsuspected facet of Amanita.
Très intéressant tes expériences Z... et surtout sur les précautions à prendre.
Moi aussi le champignon Amanita m'a interpellé sans le savoir mais que j'ai réalisé lorsque j'ai lu la session du 19 octobre. Je m'explique:
2 semaines auparavant, j'avais écouté une série que j'écoute avec mon conjoint sur des causes juridiques fictives (c'est un téléroman "Les indéfendables"), et il y avait une histoire d'une femme qui avait été accusé d'empoisonnement dû à des champignons qu'elle avait cueillis. Mais elle s'était trompée puisque c'est "l'amanite tue-mouche" qui a été récolté. Ensuite, elle a cuisiné ses champignons séchés dans un repas qu'elle a partagé avec la famille, malheureusement, 2 personnes qui en a consommé sont mortes. Ne pas oublié que ceci est une histoire fictive, mais pour moi, je savais qu'elle n'était pas responsable mais c'était plutôt de la négligence de sa part.
Pendant ces deux semaines, sans avoir de pensée sur l'histoire décrite ci-haut, je me demandais qu'elle produit et crème que je pourrais trouver afin de masser le bas du dos, d'où je ressens une douleur constante et des tensions. J'ai aussi des problèmes de sommeil qui sont entrecoupés dans la nuit, par l'inconfort, douleurs articulatoires (épaules et cou) et des chaleurs dû à ma ménopause. Donc, souvent je me réveille le matin en étant fatiguée et pas d'énergie. Dans mon fort intérieur, j'espère de trouver un produit naturel qui pourrait être mon allié et réussir à soulager ses tensions et douleurs physiques. Surtout que je fais de la danse gitane/oriental depuis 2 ans pour m'aider à retrouver de la souplesse pour mon bassin et le bas du dos, des épaules jusqu'à mon cou. Ainsi que des suivis en ostéopathie et présentement des traitements avec un orthopédiste pour réussir à débloquer ces tensions musculaires et articulatoires. Mais malgré moi, ses tensions et douleurs sont toujours présents. Par contre, je sais que toutes ses douleurs sont aussi reliés à des blocages mémoriels sur mon passé et mes expériences. Donc, en plus, j'ai entrepris depuis 1 an, un cheminement d'introspection, de transformation et essayer du mieux que je peux à faire le travail que nous devons faire pour cheminer et la prochaine étape à franchir sera sur mon alimentation.
Ceci étant dit, qu'elle n'est pas ma surprise, lors de la lecture de la session du 19 octobre, de lire sur le champignon amanita muscaria (étant le champignon tue-mouche d'où je fais le lien avec ce que j'ai observé auparavant) et de constater qu'il n'a pas juste des côtés négatifs mais aussi un côté bénéfique et que ceci peut apporter des soulagements musculaires, comme cité dans la session:
Et en lisant ces informations, je constate aussi qu'il peut être bénéfique concernant le cycle du sommeil, alors ceci m'a aussi fait prendre en conscience que ça pourrait m'aider du côté de mon sommeil et de mon énergie.
Alors, j'ai fait des recherches de fournisseurs où je pouvais retrouver une crème à appliquer en externe ainsi qu'une teinture qui a été préparé justement pour les cycles du sommeil. Vivant au Québec, ceci n'était pas facile mais j'ai pu trouver une personne qui vend et fabrique ce genre de produits avec différents champignons, incluant l'amanita muscaria, et elle est situé au Canada. Youppi pas de douane à passer puisque dans notre pays, c'est illégal de faire ce genre de commerce mais avec une livraison à l'intérieur du pays ça sera incognito.
Lorsque je vais recevoir ma commande et que je vais expérimenter ces produits, je vais essayer de vous faire un compte-rendu de mon expérience sur les effets si ceci a été bénéfique, négatif ou bien sans effets pour moi. Puisque j'en doute pas que ceci est différent pour chaque personne.
Merci de nous avoir fait découvrir cette facette insoupçonnée de l'Amanita.
As far as I know Amanita Muscaria is illegal only in handful of countries namely:, it's illegal to do this kind of business, but with delivery within the country, it's incognito.
Yes, Amanita muscaria is legal in Canada. It is classified as a natural health product and subject to applicable regulation. Amanita muscaria is subject to regulation under the federal Food and Drugs Act. In 2022, Health Canada designated Amanita muscaria a natural health product.
Here is a guy (John Scott from Australia) that took Amanita muscaria by accident, wrote a book (God's Mountain…fascinating but hard to get) and have some YT interviews about it.Apparently it is very hard to find well documented cases of actual death caused by Amanita muscaria. However there is another member of Amanita family - Amanita phalloides which is highly toxic and deadly also known as Death Cap - 90 % of world mushroom fatalites are attributed to this mushroom.
Having said that Amanita muscaria always has to be treated with utmost respect and caution.
If it is used for recreational purposes i.e. for trips this mushroom is unforgiving. The trips on Amanita muscaria are stuff of nightmares and nobody in the right mind should ever reach to Amanita for this purpose. It is the worse possible scenario since Amanita muscaria in large doses is a dissociative mushroom and causes complete disconnection of mind from the body for several hours. This is extremely dangerous. Apparently Siberian shamans who used it for the “death of ego” would be buried up to their neck to prevent harm to the body whilst under the influence.
That is why if you cannot forage your own and you are going to ingest micro amounts it is very important to find verified supplier who supplies genuine AM and properly prepared.
I posted a list in one of the posts above.
For the purposes you wish to use - it seems it is most effective to apply tincture soaked wraps or poultices on the affected place. Oil extracts can also be used for this purpose. Balms are used mostly for skin issues and skin care and I suspect they are less effective for pain relief or anti inflammatory effect.
Below is the post I just came across on one of the groups - it confirms my suspicions as I noticed lots of inconsistencies in her ascertions, also I wouldn’t trust anyone who conducts “shamanic trips” with AM and advocates - as she calls them “hero doses” that is suicidal!Listen to Amanita Dreamers videos about starting with Amanita Muscaria, not Pantherina!
I've noticed an uptick of mentions of amanita dreamer. I'd like to get your awareness up on that matter and why it pays off to verify everything on your own.
From my experience since departing on this journey, amanita dreamer is probably the biggest source for misinformation on AM at the moment. I don't like to drag her through the mud so I'll try to outline a bit what I experienced and learned. I feel this is appropriate and probably valuable to quite a few on here, especially in terms of harm reduction or people being turned away from a medicine that may be of help to them.
While she has some interesting thoughts on certain matters, she struggles with clearly indicating where the info is coming from. What she does not provide is any sources she has info out of. This is a (gate keeping) issue since no one can verify the info for themselves. Exarcerbating the issue is her liberal mixing of solid facts, wrong info and her own experience while rarely clarifying which it is at any given moment. In addition, she's notorious for deleting comments which are either correcting wrong info, asking for sources or calling out the lack of sources. Especially for beginners it is almost impossible to verify her claims and you're at her mercy, which should give you pause. In this group here there's a somewhat unspoken rule that whatever you're stating as fact should be verifyable and if it's something based on experience, this is made known, too.
Here's a few examples of wrong info circulated by her. Feel free to research this on their own
- the 30-30-30 method of conversion (dispute of that is found in the pinned posts)
- the influence of mj on ibo/mus
- the AM oil recipe
Maybe others feel like adding to this, since there are many more examples
Another warning I'd like to hand out is of the ceremonies she's holding. The one in summer here in switzerland is infamous among the local AM community for how it should not be done. Apparantly, people went crazy and it was due to participants taking responsibility that no one got hurt seriously. This is not necessary, as I know first hand from the ceremonies I have assisted with a shaman who's been working with AM for over 20 years. The issue here is in my eyes the preparation and her ability to hold such a space. It is one thing to hold space for yourself when using AM, it is something entirely different when doing so for others.
So overall, I'd be vary of her teachings for said reasons and would take everything with a grain of salt, especially if it can't be veryfied. Same goes for this group, and also this very post. Do your due diligence because it is your responsibility if you choose to ingest psychoactive amanitas.