Atlantis

[Gawan]

Welcome sumeria to the forum, if you like you could also write an introduction in the Newbies section and tell us how you found this site and if you read the wave series already.

Regarding your statement about Atlantis and Annunaki for example, did you use the forum search for example? Which may give you some clues about these topics and even some authors like Blavatsky.

 

[Eboard10]

Atlantis was first mentioned in Plato's Critias, located in the west of the Strait of Gibraltar in the Atlantic Ocean. The rise of the mentioned civilization was around 10.000 years ago and it was really highly advanced one.

In many places in the earth, there are many archeological findings which could not be explained according to the today's technology. For some scientists there were global disasters which ended human civilization many times. Atlantis according to many of them is one of these civilizations. It was not only located in the Atlantic Ocean as Plato stated but also with its colonies it was sperad in South and North America, Asia, Anatolia and India.They were the starting point of the Mayan and Aztec civilizations in Mexico and South America.

"The Secret Doctrine" which was written by Helena Blavatsky mentioned the Atlanteans as Fourth Root race before the Aryan Race which was Fifth Rooth Race. This concept brings a new dimension on the written history.


_http://anunnaki-sumerians.blogspot.com/

Hi sumeria, welcome to the forum. It would be nice of you to tell us a bit about yourself in the newbies section and how you came to know about Laura and the Cassiopaean experiment. :)

On the whole Atlantean debate, I would highly recommend you read Laura's article which covers a whole range of subjects including the origins of the Atlantean story as told by Plato and much more.

http://cassiopaea.org/2012/01/31/jupiter-nostradamus-edgar-cayce-and-the-return-of-the-mongols-part-1/

The article is quite long but it's a fascinating read and meticulously researched. I'm sure you'll enjoy it.

 

[Persej]

"Atlantis" is found in Croatia.

On that section of seabed is muddy bottom, but we could clearly see 'road'. It is made of stone blocks, and the road is long about one kilometer and wide about seven meters. But that's just the part that we've documented. We did not go into further research because our main objective was to document the location and appearance of discovery, and the next week, we will, I hope, dive with underwater archaeologists so that they can be involved in the analysis - explains Bronzovic.

Since the location is so far from the mainland, is not at all clear what the road could pose, or what culture might have built it.

_http://www.jutarnji.hr/ekskluzivne-fotografije-splitske-atlantide-kod-braca-otkriveno-naselje-pod-morem-/1204014/

 

[Persej]

Here is a video of discovery: _http://vijesti.hrt.hr/cesta-ispod-brackog-kanala-splitska-atlantida

20 m underwater, 2 miles from coast of Split.

 

[axj]

Unambigous geological evidence for Atlantis at the Mid-Atlantic Ridge

It seems that the early geological and core-drilling research in the area of the Mid-Atlantic Ridge yielded more than enough evidence that there was a very large island above the sea-level up to about 10.000 years ago. This includes the discovery of land animals and fresh-water animals in the core samples, as well as the discovery of volcanic ash sediments above glacial sediments:

In 1936, Charles S. Piggot's famous U.S. Geological Survey of deep core soundings indicated that the Mid-Atlantic Ridge reached above the surface of the ocean 10,000 to 20,000 years ago. Different sediment deposits on each side of the Ridge showed that the Ridge once separated two currents moving in opposite directions. Heavy deposits of volcanic ash on both slopes were dated at 12,000 years ago. (Piggot, 1937)

Commenting on this oceanographic study, Swedish oceanographer Hans Pettersson (1944) wrote: "The topmost of the two volcanic strata is found above the topmost glacial stratum, which indicates that this volcanic catastrophe or catastrophes occurred in postglacial times . . . It can therefore not be entirely ruled out that the Mid-Atlantic Ridge, where the sample originated, was above sea level up to about ten thousand years ago and did not subside to its present depth until later."

Still later, after obtaining sea-bottom cores near the Romanche Deep, Pettersson stated: "One is led to assume that the sea bottom in the Romanche Deep area must, in a remote past, have risen by at least 1000m., and then, after an interval of many thousand years, suddenly subsided to its present great depth, sinking by more than 6000m. This particular part of the Atlantic Ocean is known to have frequent volcanic and seismic disturbances." (Pettersson, 1947)

In 1948 Dr. Ewing, one of the bitter opponents of Atlantis, sailed up and down the Mid-Atlantic Ridge during the Woods Hole Oceanographic Expeditions to the Mid-Atlantic Ridge. Numerous samples of tremolite asbestos were brought up. Ewing made this significant comment: "Such rock is generally considered typical of continents and not of ocean basins." (Ewing, 1948)

[...]

In the early 1900s the newly built German research vessel Gauss was launched on its first expedition to study the South Atlantic seafloor. The expedition made significant discoveries to the south of our proposed location for Atlantis. Cores were obtained containing sand, granite, gneiss and chrystalline schist—all continental materials. Layer "b" also contained minerals forming hypersthenic gneiss (i.e., continental rocks). (Zhirkov, 1958)

Subsequent investigation performed by the Swedish oceanographic research vessel Albatross corroborated these earlier finds: the bottom layer included fossilized remains of benthomic foraminiferra that can only live in depths of 100 to 200 metres. Cores taken at "depths between 2000 and 4000m" (1.25 and 2.5 miles respectively) contained shallow-water globigerina ooze! The conclusion was that the area within the Romanche Deep (one of the deepest parts of the Mid-Atlantic Ridge) had first risen 1000m, then subsided a shocking 6000m—almost three and a half miles! (Pettersson, 1946)

Red-clay (a light detrital material from the continents) and calcarous ooze (calcium carbonate from the decomposed skeletons of billions of microorganisms) was deposited along the Mid-Atlantic Ridge during the Quaternary period. The report by Sclater & Tapscott (1979) states that the calcarous ooze is most predominate near the crest of the Ridge.

In 1957, Dr. Rene Malaise of the Riks Museum in Stockholm announced that a colleague, Dr. R. W. Kolbe, had found proof of the geologically recent subsidence of the Mid-Atlantic Ridge. Dr. Kolbe of the Swedish Museum of Natural History had been commissioned to investigate diatoms found in deep-sea cores obtained during the 1947-1948 Swedish Deep-Sea Expedition. Although the expedition included a globe-encircling study, only those cores taken from the Mid-Atlantic Ridge yielded the following: multitudinous shells of fresh-water diatoms (small lake animals) and fossilized remains of terrestrial plants (Kolbe, 1957). Let me repeat that. Land plants and fresh-water animals were found fossilized on the Atlantic Ocean bottom along the Mid-Atlantic Ridge. (See also Kolbe, 1958)

Dr. Malaise theorized that parts of the Ridge must have existed as large islands up to the end of the last Ice Age or later: i.e., as recently as 10,000-12,000 years ago. He also theorized that these landmasses must have had fresh-water lakes in order to account for the existence of fresh-water animals (Malaise, 1956).* Commenting on Malaise' theory, Kolbe writes: ". . . it provides a natural explanation of the layer consisting exclusively of fresh-water diatoms, which is otherwise difficult to comprehend" (Kolbe, 1957).

The six levels of terraces discovered by the Woods Hole expeditions suggest that the Atlantic island was constantly changing shape—as well as being reduced in size—before it finally disappeared at the end of the Ice Age. Such geological changes would have been catastrophic to any life living on such a landmass: the unhappy result of the constant violence of the Mid-Atlantic Ridge. If the Atlantic landmass happened to be inhabited by humans, these violent disturbances could well have been the cause of the four Cro-Magnon "invasions" outlined on the Anthropological page of this website. These well documented invasions impacted the western shores of North Africa and Europe (including Great Britain and other Atlantic islands) and occurred during a time frame of 35,000-12,000 years ago (the last invasion corresponding closely to the date given by Plato for the demise of Atlantis).

_http://www.atlantisquest.com/Geology.html

And these are just a few of the studies that found similar evidence - which was for some reason later either ignored or "forgotten".

BIBLIOGRAPHY

Campbell, Hamish, et al., "To sink a continent: Exploring the implications of Zealandia's fate," GNS Science, New Zealand, 2008.
Cifelli, Richard, "Age relationships of Mid-Atlantic Ridge sediments," Special Paper No. 124, Geological Society of America, 1970.
Davies, Nigel, "Voyages to the New World," William Morrow and Co., Inc., New York, 1979.
de Camp, L. Sprague, "Lost Continents," Dover Publications Inc., New York, 1970.
Ewing, Maurice, "Exploring the Mid-Atlantic Ridge," The National Geographic Magazine, Vol. xciv, No. 3, September 1948.
Ewing, Maurice, "New Discoveries on the Mid-Atlantic Ridge," The National Geographic Magazine, Vol. xcvi, No. 5, November 1949.
Ewing, W.M.; Dorman, H.J.; Ericson, J.N. & Heezen, B.C., "Exploration of the northwest Atlantic mid-ocean canyon," Bulletin No. 64 of the Geological Society of America, 1953.
Heezen, B.C., Tharp, M., Ewing, M., The North Atlantic, Washington D.C., 1959.
Kolbe, R. W., "Fresh-Water Diatoms from Atlantic Deep-Sea Sediments," Science, Vol. 126, No. 3282, 22 November, 1957.
Kolbe, R. W., "Turbidity Currents and Displaced Fresh-Water Diatoms," Science, Vol. 127. No. 3313, 27 June 1958.
Leonard, R. Cedric, A Geological Study of the Mid-Atlantic Ridge, Special Paper No. 1, Cowan Publ., Bethany, 1979.
Leonard, R. Cedric, "Quest for Atlantis," Manor Books Inc., New York, 1979.
Longwell, Flint & Sanders, "Physical Geology," John Wiley & Sons, Inc., New York, London, Sydney, 1969.
Malaise, Rene, Sjunket l and i Atlanten, Ymer, Stockholm, 1956. (See also his Atlantis en Geologisk Verklighet, Bibliofilupplaga, Stockholm, 1951.)
Mellis, Otto, Zur Sedimentation in Der Romanche-Tiefe (Ein Beitrag zur Erklarung der Enstellung des Tiefseesandes in Atlantischen Ozean), Geologischen Rundschau, Goteborg, 1958.
Miller, J. P. & Scholten, R., "Ocean, Lakes, and Shoreline Features," Labratory Studies in Geology, No. 225, 1966.
Nansen, Fridtjof, "The Norwegian North polar expedition, 1893-1896: scientific results," Longmans, Green & Co., London New York, 1900-1903.
Pettersson, Hans, Atlantis och Atlanten, Albert Bonniers förlag, Stockholm, 1944.
Pettersson, Hans, "A Swedish deep-sea expedition," Communication by Sir John Edgell, F.R.S., received 18 February 1946.
Pettersson, Hans, "A Swedish deep-sea expedition," Proceedings of the Royal Society of London (Series B), Biological Sciences, Vol. 134, No. 876, 2 Jul 1947.
Pettersson, Hans, "Exploring the Ocean Floor," Scientific American magazine, August 1950.
Piggot, Charles S., "Core samples of the ocean bottom," Carnegie Institution of Washington News Service Bulletin Staff Edition, 4 (no. 9), 6 December 1936.
Piggot, Charles S., "Core samples of the ocean bottom," Smithsonian Report for 1936, No. 944, Smithsonian Institution, Washington DC, pp. 207-16, 1937.
Sclater, John G., & Tapscott, Christopher, "The History of the Atlantic," Scientific American, Vol. 240, No. 6, June 1979.
Speicher, John, "Plate Tectonics—A Startling New View of Our Turbulent Earth," Popular Science, Vol. 200, No. 6, June 1972.
Tolstoy, I. & Ewing, M., "North Atlantic hydrography and the Mid-Atlantic Ridge," Bulletin of the Geological Society of America, Vol. 60, No. 10, October 1949.
Zhirkov, N. H., as he reports in his book "Atlantida" (English edition, p. 282), Moscow, 1958.

 

[aaronfransen]

Tying this into the expanding Earth theory:

The mid-Atlantic ridge would appear to be a "zipper" in the crust, a weak spot where the evidence of expansion is found due to the creation of new crustal material.

Would it then make sense that a large land mass stuck in the middle of this would have sunk all that way (6km!) if the ridge was being pulled apart? Literally pulling out the ground from under it?

 

[axj]

Tying this into the expanding Earth theory:

The mid-Atlantic ridge would appear to be a "zipper" in the crust, a weak spot where the evidence of expansion is found due to the creation of new crustal material.

Would it then make sense that a large land mass stuck in the middle of this would have sunk all that way (6km!) if the ridge was being pulled apart? Literally pulling out the ground from under it?

The thing is that in the Azores area three ridges converge - the Eurasian, North American and African plates.

The Younger Dryas impact at around 10.900 BC was very close to Atlantis and may have contributed to tectonic plate movements:

http://www.sott.net/article/284670-So-it-was-a-planetary-impact-event-Younger-Dryas-climate-event-solved-via-nanodiamonds

 

[Argo]

Tying this into the expanding Earth theory:

The mid-Atlantic ridge would appear to be a "zipper" in the crust, a weak spot where the evidence of expansion is found due to the creation of new crustal material.

Would it then make sense that a large land mass stuck in the middle of this would have sunk all that way (6km!) if the ridge was being pulled apart? Literally pulling out the ground from under it?

According to Otto Muck's book 'The Secret of Atlantis' it is make sense that there is some significant land mass which was sank in just 24 hours. Sounds like a reasonable theory to me. Although it must involve some global cataclysmic event.

I recommend this book, it's very interesting. :)

 

[herondancer]

Tying this into the expanding Earth theory:

The mid-Atlantic ridge would appear to be a "zipper" in the crust, a weak spot where the evidence of expansion is found due to the creation of new crustal material.

Would it then make sense that a large land mass stuck in the middle of this would have sunk all that way (6km!) if the ridge was being pulled apart? Literally pulling out the ground from under it?

According to Otto Muck's book 'The Secret of Atlantis' it is make sense that there is some significant land mass which was sank in just 24 hours. Sounds like a reasonable theory to me. Although it must involve some global cataclysmic event.

I recommend this book, it's very interesting. :)

Thanks for the book title. It does jibe with Plato's account that Atlantis sunk in a day and a night. I think it's one of the reasons mainstream history thinks Atlantis is a myth. They can't wrap their heads around how such a catastrophe could happen.

 

[Argo]

You're welcome. It's really fascinating book. :)

 

[Voyageur]

Re: Unambigous geological evidence for Atlantis at the Mid-Atlantic Ridge

It seems that the early geological and core-drilling research in the area of the Mid-Atlantic Ridge yielded more than enough evidence that there was a very large island above the sea-level up to about 10.000 years ago. This includes the discovery of land animals and fresh-water animals in the core samples, as well as the discovery of volcanic ash sediments above glacial sediments:

[...]
Still later, after obtaining sea-bottom cores near the Romanche Deep, Pettersson stated: "One is led to assume that the sea bottom in the Romanche Deep area must, in a remote past, have risen by at least 1000m., and then, after an interval of many thousand years, suddenly subsided to its present great depth, sinking by more than 6000m. This particular part of the Atlantic Ocean is known to have frequent volcanic and seismic disturbances." (Pettersson, 1947)
[...]

Thanks for the core-drilling research. This "suddenness" that so many signs point to i.e. this 7,000 meter switch you've listed above (amongst so many more), is mind boggling to fathom, yet is n cyclical earthly reality.

If people here have not caught this recent SoTT Exclusive, its very interesting and ties in to this thread somewhat.

SOTT Exclusive: A 'Blue Hole,' a cosmic connection and the demise of the Maya

 

[Wyatt Shipley]

Tying this into the expanding Earth theory:

The mid-Atlantic ridge would appear to be a "zipper" in the crust, a weak spot where the evidence of expansion is found due to the creation of new crustal material.

Would it then make sense that a large land mass stuck in the middle of this would have sunk all that way (6km!) if the ridge was being pulled apart? Literally pulling out the ground from under it?

According to Otto Muck's book 'The Secret of Atlantis' it is make sense that there is some significant land mass which was sank in just 24 hours. Sounds like a reasonable theory to me. Although it must involve some global cataclysmic event.

I recommend this book, it's very interesting. :)

Thanks for the book title. It does jibe with Plato's account that Atlantis sunk in a day and a night. I think it's one of the reasons mainstream history thinks Atlantis is a myth. They can't wrap their heads around how such a catastrophe could happen.

I have studied Plate Tectonics and there is NO ROOM for Atlantis. So, it unzipped and spewed a continent and then 10,000 years-ago everything got swallowed up in 24-hours
When I get to 4th Density I can check what really happened; of Course I am not in any way slighting the above quote, but these Atlantians were Super-High-Tec. Hmmmm?
Best of Everything, Wyatt

 

[MusicMan]

I wonder if there is any significance in that diametrically opposite the supposed location of Atlantis on the planet, in Australia we find the massif Ayer's Rock which the locals call Uluru. This rock is one giant lump of sandstone 15 miles in circumference and is the only object visible above the desert for miles in any direction.

Perhaps whatever caused Atlantis to sink, also caused this rock to pop out, like a belly button on a pregnant woman..
Who knows, it might also have created the Australian continent.

 

[aaronfransen]

Of course the alternate theory is that Atlantis was simply where the United States is today.

The cometary impact that broke up the ice sheets over North America 10-12000 years ago would have wiped them out, and there's certainly lots of evidence of that impact.

 

[mkrnhr]

Because of the way Plato wrote the Atlantis story, we have a tendency to imaging an island Atlantis, or a continent Atlantis. Plato was writing >9000 years after the events, and it was his own interpretation of what he heard from apparently pre-socratic pythagorians.
I we consider Atlantis as being a civilization instead, there is no need to pinpoint one single region on the earth, because given the severity of the cataclysm at the end of the last ice age, every single region on the earth has been more or less affected. According to the book "Cataclysm!: Compelling Evidence of a Cosmic Catastrophe in 9500 B.C." by D. S. Allan & J. B. Delair, it is easy to imagine the severity of the event, and the possible changes in geography, not only by a sudden rise of sea levels.
There is no need for a chunk of the crust to sink within earth's mantle to destroy civilizations. These later are more fragile than we think, especially when the achieve a high level of complexity.