AUTOIMMUNE DISEASES CAUSED BY AN INFECTION?

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Andre' said:
Laura said:
Well, I slept SUPER good last night. Only got up once (going to the restroom increases when taking the antibiotic and I drink water and tea to keep flushing) and I remember pulling the drapes to shut out the moonlight coming in around the shades. I then went straight back to bed and slept really deeply the rest of the night.

I'm really glad Laura that that following the protocol now is more easy, it goes more smoothly so to say.
I wanted to ask please a clarification about alopurinol, if you start this protocol you have to take alopurinol just the first day of the each week for a total of 6 weeks period?

PLEASE read the instructions carefully and seek out the supervision of a physician to do this protocol!!!!

The allopurinol is take for the entire first week and not afterward.
 
Re: AUTOIMMUNE DISEASES CAUSED BY AN AMOEBA INFECTION?

Ok Laura, thank you for the suggestion and for the information also. :)
 
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Shared Joy said:
Hi Laura and forum members,
it seems that there are lots of processes running parallel with the Herx reaction;

_https://chronicillnessrecovery.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=161

Herxheimer reactions are an unavoidable and necessary result of Inflammation Therapy (IT).

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Well, all this seems to indicate that:

- we might need other combination of antibiotics, which I remember that the C's also indicated in Session 20 August 2011, as long as they give a Herx reaction
- not complicate yourself with testing as is inefficient
- by trial and error one can find what is the way to follow
- seems that antioxidants (vitamins C, D) could alleviate the symptoms

FWIW

Joy

Excellent information and it helps a lot.

Yes, indeed, all kinds of things keep shifting around and popping up so I guess I'm a fairly classic case. After a pretty good start to the morning, I started getting headachey and tired.

I'll do this antibiotic as long as it produces reactions, and then maybe try another one or two to see if they produce any symptoms.

Vitamin C in 5 gram doses is MOST helpful.
 
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Laura said:
One interesting thing last night. I knew I needed to take some food before the last dose at 9 PM so I decided to just eat some white rice with butter and a little honey to buffer my stomach. It worked like a charm.

I don't remember exactly if it was while reading a book or while watching a video but a Doctor advertising the keto diet said that just a little bit of "sugar" before going to bed is a good trick to have a good night of sleep.
 
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Gandalf said:
Laura said:
One interesting thing last night. I knew I needed to take some food before the last dose at 9 PM so I decided to just eat some white rice with butter and a little honey to buffer my stomach. It worked like a charm.

I don't remember exactly if it was while reading a book or while watching a video but a Doctor advertising the keto diet said that just a little bit of "sugar" before going to bed is a good trick to have a good night of sleep.

Yes, I remember reading that as well. This might help explain why:

_http://www.livestrong.com/article/540208-do-carbohydrates-help-you-sleep/

Carbohydrates can work to help you sleep because they help to increase the availability of the hormones melatonin and serotonin, which help you sleep. These hormones are released via a long chain reaction that begins with eating foods that contain carbohydrates and tryptophan, which is found in many protein sources. Carbohydrates stimulate your pancreas to release insulin, which clears the way for more tryptophan to enter your brain. This then triggers your brain to manufacture melatonin and serotonin, which help you to feel more relaxed and sleepier.
 
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Well, things got pretty rough about 3 or 4 PM and I've been hanging on since then. Just took the last dose for this round and really looking forward to a warm bath and bed. For awhile there, I thought gravity was going to win.
 
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I'm surprised there is still die-off reactions :shock:. No wonder the protocol lasts for so long. Have a good night sleep!
 
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DougEE said:
Thank you Laura for this thread and also for taking us through your experiences with the protocol. The info here parallels what I and my wife are currently experiencing. I have been helping my wife on her journey to recover from IBS, Candida overgrowth, CytoMeglavirus, C. Difficile, IBS again and now parasites.
This all started for her in 2005 when her new dentist insisted that she take a wide-spectrum antibiotic before he would do any work on her.
She had never taken antibiotics before that time. As a result, her gut bacteria was severely compromised and so began the journey. We've been able to use the naturopathic approach and to avoid conventional drugs except for Vancomycin for the C. Difficile. Amid these infections she had a TIA ( mini stroke) as well as a heart Ablation to correct her Atrial Fibrilation. We are convinced that all of these conditions were inter-connected.
For the last 2 years we have been on a Gluten-free Paleo diet and that has really helped. Her last two stool samples have showed the presence of Blastocystis Hominis parasite and it is very persistent. In researching this parasite we came across a website about a woman in Australia battling the same Blasto and she (Jackie Delaney) tells her story there, and it was a mirror of my wife's symptoms and experiences. The website is www.badbugs.org and Jackie explains how little the medical establishment knows about these bacterial and amoeba sized parasites.
The protocol that Jackie endorses is called a Triple Therapy that includes Iodoquinol, Nitazoxanide and Paramomycin all combined for 10 days. She mentions that Metronidazole (known as Flagyl) is the most often prescribed for the Blasto parasite, but is not very effective.

Since Iodoquinol, Nitazoxanide and Paramomycin are not presently available in North America, we have done a telephone consultation with a doctor in England that Jackie recommended and we are currently waiting for his shipment of the Triple Therapy.

Just an update:
We received the triple Therapy medication on May 20 and started the 10 day protocol on May 21. The first two days my wife had terrible Herx (nausea) effects, but days 3,4, and 5 were very good days for her. Then on days 6 and 7 she had many aches, pains and stiffness in her chest, hips and stomach, places that have never been achy before this. She said she felt like she was kicked in the stomach as these pains were NOT mild at all. Today, on day 8, she has been very nauseas starting in early morning but tapers off by late afternoon.

According to her doctor, even when the parasite has been completely eliminated, many of the original symptoms may still re-occur at much lower intensity and also, some food sensitivities may develop. Such is the state of this 'science'. I think there is much to learn yet about how these pathogens interact with one another.
 
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Gaby said:
I'm surprised there is still die-off reactions :shock:. No wonder the protocol lasts for so long. Have a good night sleep!

Surprised me, too!

Now, after three rounds, I'm sort of dreading round 4. I'm just rather resolved to see it through. If this protocol will ultimately restore my energy and clear up a host of problems, it will be worth it to be out of commission two days a week (or at least partly). Not to mention enduring all the upsurges and recurrences of old aches and pains that had been quiescent since I began the paleo/keto/gluten free/dairy free diet.

This morning, my left arm hurts and I'm generally achey all over. I don't know if the arm pain is because I slept on it wrong or what. Don't think that's the reason since the fingers also hurt in an arthritic kind of way. I think I'll be resting a bit today so ya'll hold down the fort.
 
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Boy, what a roller coaster ride, Laura! Are you taking NAC, as well? Along with the vitamin C, it will recycle it and other antioxidants (after the NAC is made into Glutothione). Also, have you thought about using a good colloidal silver instead of going through different antibiotics? A good silver colloid is very wide spectrum and doesn't lead to resistance to it by the critters. I remember the C's were asked by DD if the ASAP Silver Sol would kill L-bacteria a few years ago, and the C's said yes. Can't seem to find the session now.
 
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Ended my second round of the protocol yesterday (as a "control") - not a lot to report: Virtually no nausea this time (so it was probably the allopurinol), a little bit of foggy brain, but most decidedly tiredness. Not sure if I would classify this as a Herxheimer reaction, though.

The only thing I noticed was that some old forgotten joint pain has flared up again (which pretty much disappeared after cutting out gluten), which I find strange. I just hope I didn't kill off the "moderate" critters to have the "evil ones" take over.

Anyway, next week I'll continue with the next cycle and see how I'll be going.
 
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Possibility of Being said:
Gimpy said:
I would love to try this for MS, but am a bit cautious.

And you probably should be. I don't know, perhaps there are safe protocols nowadays, but just in case that's what Prosch had to say about MS:

Dr. Nelson has
been visiting my clinic 3-4 days each month, and we are developing
and improving these techniques that he originally discovered and
perfected and he has done a magnificent job in his research. We hope
to develop techniques to improve the healing as well as the functioning
of the deformed joints of patients with even long-standing arthritis.
One exciting breakthrough is that some patients with multiple
sclerosis are getting better and improving, but let me emphasize
any physician here that he should never treat a patient with multiple
sclerosis with the anti-amoebic protocol as the patient can be made
worse
. I hope to discuss this a little further tomorrow when I talk to
you about the intraneural injections.

You may want to check my previous post and the PDFs I linked, and other sources if you can find any, before you make a decision. :hug2:

I am reading "ARTHRITIS" BY ANTHONY DI FABIO, MA & GUS J PROSCH, JR., MD. about Osteoarthritis and Rheumatoid Disease, Including Rheumatoid Arthritis.
I haven't seen this referenced in this thread, which I am still working through.
Quote cautioning against this treatment and nerve diseases, ie. Trigeminal neuralgia and MS.

"Professor Roger Wyburn-Mason, MD.,PH.D. cautioned against using the specific anti microorganism drugs for nerve diseases that are recommended for the other above conditions, as the presence of toxins in a sensitive subject as evidenced by tissue antigens can cause violent exaggeration of the symptoms due to action of the drugs against the organisms." P. 189.

The book is so insightful...highly recommend everyone interested or with medical concerns of this nature to got a copy. It written to educate the patient about the 80 DIFFERENT RHUEMATOID DISEASES and what are the alternative medicine remedies.
"Rheumatoid Arthritis -- as one of the 80 rheumatoid disease --is traditionally viewed by both victim and their doctor as a "joint" disease. Although much pain, swelling and destruction appears in the joint, that is only the visible portion of the disease, as the disease is actually manifesting itself throughout the whole body. It is both an autoimmune disease and a collagen tissue disease acting uponall systems of the body." P.188.

There are also sections devoted to Boron and Dr. Rex E. Newnham, PHD., DO., ND. and his research. He developed a formulation of vitamins , minerals, and supplements called Osteo Trace and B-Alive. A quick Gooogle search yesterday looked as though it ordered from sources in the UK.
 

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Re: AUTOIMMUNE DISEASES CAUSED BY AN AMOEBA INFECTION?

Gaby said:
I'm surprised there is still die-off reactions :shock:. No wonder the protocol lasts for so long. Have a good night sleep!

A couple of years ago I killed some insects on my houseplants with liquid poison in water. I had to do it twice. First to kill the adult insects and then a certain number of days late a second time. This was to kill to next generation, which were still in their eggs at the first poisoning.

Maybe something similar is going on here?

Good luck, Laura. Take care of yourself.
 
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nicklebleu said:
Ended my second round of the protocol yesterday (as a "control") - not a lot to report: Virtually no nausea this time (so it was probably the allopurinol), a little bit of foggy brain, but most decidedly tiredness. Not sure if I would classify this as a Herxheimer reaction, though.

The only thing I noticed was that some old forgotten joint pain has flared up again (which pretty much disappeared after cutting out gluten), which I find strange. I just hope I didn't kill off the "moderate" critters to have the "evil ones" take over.

Anyway, next week I'll continue with the next cycle and see how I'll be going.

Sounds like you may have something, though not as advanced since those are the milder Herx things.

The allopurinol WAS nasty. Glad that is done.

The "old forgotten pains" cropping up that had been long quiet after diet changes is weird. And most of today was rough. Very tired, foggy. I took NAC, Vit C, milk thistle and ALA. That seemed to help. Most of the day, I was just too tired to fight gravity. Ark used the percussion massager thing on my back and I did my legs to get things stirred up and moving. That seemed to help a bit. Hopefully, I'll get a good night's sleep tonight and begin pulling out of this tomorrow.
 
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Laura said:
The "old forgotten pains" cropping up that had been long quiet after diet changes is weird.

Sounds like you're going through "reverse healing". I first heard of it when reading about homeopathy but it sounds like it applies in all cases of deep healing.

The Healing Reaction: What it means

Healing is the elimination of the causes of symptoms at the mental/emotional/physical level. It is NOT the suppression of symptoms.

What is a Healing Reaction?
Healing is part of a deeply curative process. It is not simply the removal of symptoms. Healing proceeds in a specific way, following certain natural principles and aided
by natural medicines.These principles have been observed for centuries, by natural physicians. They were set down originally by Dr. Constantine Hering and Dr. James Tyler Kent; two homeopathic physicians. You get sick in a certain order in space and time. Your symptoms appear in a set order. Nature heals in the reverse order of the disease process. This means that the healing proceeds from the mental and emotional level to the physical level, from the deeper organs to the more superficial, from above downwards (eg. rashes) and in the reverse order of the original occurrence of the various diseases.

The direction of the change in symptoms is very important. It is the direction that tells the physician whether a true healing process is underway or simply palliation (temporary
suppression of symptoms). When you take a deep-acting homeopathic/energetic remedy for chronic disease conditions,you will experience a healing reaction. This means that you will see a change in your symptoms according to the natural direction of healing. First you will likely experience an improvement at the mental and emotional level. For example, concentration should improve, irritability declines and you have a more positive outlook and feel more confident and calm. Old symptoms may return. You may experience symptoms at the more superficial level, while deeper organs will improve and strengthen. Healing is like house cleaning. A lot of old stuff that has accumulated must be cleared out. Much of this elimination takes place at the physical level. Congestion, various discharges, skin reactions, aches and pains are among the types of symptoms you can expect. In most cases, after taking a remedy, you should experience an initial improvement and sense of well-being. About 10-14 days after taking a remedy, you may experience a temporary worsening of your situation you are clearing, usually physical (although it will still be better than at the start of treatment). You may also have a return of old symptoms. This state normally lasts for 1– 3 days with a return to the improved state prior to the healing reactions. Hering’s and Kent’s Principles; The direction of a true healing Process.

Dr. Hering stated that a true, natural healing process for a particular disease proceeds according to the following pattern. From above downward – since our mental and emotional state is more important than our physical state, healing should always result in an improvement at the mental and emotional level first. Any physical reaction should tend to move down the body, for example, a rash that moves from the face to the chest, the legs and then the feet. From inside outward – the deeper a dis-ease state, the more serious the Internal organs affected. The skin is the most superficial organ and once a skin rash or other symptom appears to worsen temporarily, this is a sign that the deeper disturbance is being forced out. Dr. Kent added the following. In the reverse order of time – old symptoms associated with the time of the blockage or inherited weakness you are being treated for will return. Old dis-ease states, or rather their symptoms will return. The symptoms, however, are now the sign of the internal healing repair process and are temporary. Healing is a voyage of self-discovery.

Health is more than an absence of physical symptoms. Health is freedom to pursue our dreams, desires and interests, to become more fully who we are. Health is a balance within a harmony at all levels of our being. If we have fewer physical symptoms, but feel worse mentally and emotionally, this is a sign of the dis-ease going deeper. Many drugs simply suppress the symptoms so that we can ignore their message. Symptoms are a sign that something is wrong, that we need to change our way of living, whether
in terms of diet, hours and style of work, interests or relationships. We can ignore those symptoms, at the cost of more severe illness later on, or we can learn from them.
Treatment, based on Dr. Hahnemann’s medical system, in particular a sequential approach (see separate brochure)allows for true healing. True healing leads to making
changes necessary internally and externally to allow us tofunction unencumbered at all levels. Healing is a process. It takes time because it takes us back on a journey through time. It does not mean that we must relive the past, but only that we need to go back and remove old wounds which create blockages to the healing power of our life energy.
Through this process we gain freedom from our disease and a greater appreciation of ourselves.

Wholistic Health Care
Andrea Coulter DMH

Here's more on Hering's Law of Cure : _http://www.homeoint.org/cazalet/schmidt/lawofcure.htm
 
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