AUTOIMMUNE DISEASES CAUSED BY AN INFECTION?

[Zasino]

On the lighter side of camel milk, there is an ice cream shop in Udine (Italy) making ice cream with camel milk. Now if they would use xylitol instead of sugar...
FWIW here's their facebook page https://www.facebook.com/piccolasosta/info?tab=overview
and this is their mascot:

 

[Pierre]

Since llama's and alpaca's are much easier to acquire and keep then camels I wonder if their milk has the same alleged properties as camel milk?

I didn't find any mention of the immunogenic properties of llama milk but it contains 6.5% lactose and 0.45, 0.30 and 0.15% of casein (alpha, beta and gamma type).

If you're interested there is a book dedicated to the milk of non-bovine mammals

 

[LQB]

LQB, the fact that you are getting a Herx reaction is very interesting! It seems as though Rife was thoroughly destroyed and anyone that openly associates their techniques with what he discovered are blocked in one or another. However, it seems that given the work of Jacques Benveniste, there may be a way around that through homeopathy as that seems to be less of threat to the PTB.

Yes, it all makes sense and conforms well with the homeopathic method. The way I understand it is that the frequencies imprinted in the solutions have no actions themselves other than to stimulate the immune system into recognition/action. And this would be ideal since it is the immune system's job in the first place. You might look at it like a process that unscrambles the signals from cooperating pathogens and give the immune system clear signal of what to go after.

But we should remember that if chronic infection has led to deep/permanent damage, then recovery may be limited. At least further damage is arrested.

 

[JEEP]

"The mutation appeared about 7,500 years ago in dairy farmers who lived in a region between the central Balkans and central Europe, in what was known as the Funnel Beaker culture. That's also Vampire land. Interesting correlation, eh?

There are dozens of forums where people feel like you about milk (or raw milk, whatever) where you can discuss what is apparently the love of your life and everyone can get their jollies showing off their milk mustaches. So, let me reiterate yet again - for the dozenth time - we actually do not share either your point of view or - undoubtedly - your genetics."

Actually, I get no 'jollies' re the consumption of milk. I'm only interested in what will help people improve their health, AND after serendipitously discovering the beneficial properties of camel milk, I see no legitimate reason to consume cow's milk at all - raw or otherwise. I intend to make this info known to my raw milk group including the farmers - they might even switch to camels as they embrace what's written in the Bible BIG TIME - although it's my understanding that there actually were no camels in the purported biblical time period. But then, don't we all have that image of the wise men riding their camels in quest of the Christ child?

Vampire Land - well, yes, that is one heck of a correlation! Right up there w/ the introduction of wheat no doubt. Of course, I would know NOTHING about any of this or ANYTHING ELSE for that matter were it not for your work & the network that is the forum. No, I would still be stumbling around just as dazed & confused as everyone else of the general population wondering what the heck is going on & why - and totally coming up w/ the wrong answers. Nonetheless, I've been willing to stick my neck out to root out whatever truths I can & incorporate such into my life - but not w/o repercussions. Like so many others have indicated, swimming against the current of the mainstream quickly leaves one alienated & isolated. If I didn't care, I wouldn't bother w/ any of this - I would select for "the world exists for them to overcome or ignore or shut out" - gosh, that would be SO much easier w/ a lot less grief! But, I can't do that - I feel compelled/driven to seek the truth just as I'm sure you do. And if I occasionally get it ridiculously wrong, well, it's not too surprising - I'm only human after all.

If a hard blow to the head results in imparting truthful knowledge, I'll gladly take it! One can only dare to venture forth in a reality that is as baffling/mystifying as the one we're in to at least ATTEMPT to find viable truth. And THAT is actually how I really get my 'jollies', if one cares to put it that way - and it's all I've ever been truly interested in.

Sorry for my misguided, if sincere, endeavors - but learning is supposed to be fun - and even funny if one can laugh at how wrong/off track one can get. Nothing quite like a good course correction! So, THANKS!

 

[SeekinTruth]

Thanks for the in-depth info, Ocean, which seems to go well with trendsetter37's and LQB's latest posts. I'd run into some of that information a while back, but never got around to looking into it further. Now I'm going to go slower and collect as much of the accumulated data as I can to study thoroughly.

 

[Hesper]

Actually, it works with Google Docs. Just click on an entry of the table of contents and then on the popup below. Besides I have a plenty of information to add from Combating Biofilms: Why Your Antibiotics and Antifungals Fail.

There appears to be mis-communication here. Let me try to clear that up. The document map is different from the table of contents. I've read through Google forums that Google Docs does not support it. This is it:

I think the final product should have a document map, since that was what was requested:

If I had time, what I would do would be to copy/paste the best stuff into a word doc. I would use the various headers to sort/organize stuff because they show up the navigation pane on the left. So, when you come to a piece of info that goes under a particular heading/sub-heading, you can click in the pane and jump to that section and paste it there.

Therefore, after we've accumulated all of the information we can get our hands on, we can present it in a word document with a document map. Sorry for any confusion, it's been a long week!

 

[Konstantin]

Anyway, he used the frequencies of these buggers (via the machine) to infuse 4 different homeopathic base solutions for my consumption over the next 3 weeks (3X per day). The whole process took about 4 hours. I’ll see him again in 3 weeks and we’ll test again. I’ll update with the results.

That sounds really similar to what Benveniste saw.

Benveniste concluded that the configuration of molecules in water was biologically active; a journalist coined the term water memory for this hypothesis. Much later, in the nineties, Benveniste also asserted that this "memory" could be digitized, transmitted, and reinserted into another sample of water, which would then contain the same active qualities as the first sample.

So one could potentially diagnose with a Rife like device, infuse those em signatures into a homeopathic solution, and then treat themselves. Kind of like making your own antibiotics while totally circumventing the pharmaceutical industry. Now I understand why these guys were so viciously marginalized :(

And in corroboration of LQB's Homeopath and his methods...

Link: _http://www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~bdj10/lectures/benveniste99.html

Our present research follows what has been named "the memory of water". First we empirically observed that highly dilute (i.e. in the absence of any physical molecule) biological agents triggered relevant biological systems. Some of these experiments were reproduced in three external laboratories that co-authored an article on the subject (Nature, 1988, 333, 816-818). Next, blind experiments with an external team showed that the activity of highly dilute agonists was abolished by an oscillating magnetic field, which had no comparable effect on the genuine molecules. Later, several hundred experiments have confirmed our ability to transfer to water, using an amplifier, the specific molecular activity of more than 30 substances, such as physiological and pharmacological agonists, antibodies (purified or in whole serum), antigens and even the specific signal of bacteria. In our most recent experiments, we digitally recorded (sampling 44 kHz) specific biological activities on a computer. When "replayed" to water, plasma, target organs, cells, or to an antigen-antibody reaction, the recorded signal induced an effect characteristic of the original substance.

These results strongly suggested the electromagnetic nature of molecular signalling, heretofore unknown. This signal, that is "memorized" and then carried by water, most likely enables in vivo transmission of the molecular specific information. We have recently obtained direct evidence for the critical role of water in the transmission of the molecular signal, at the usual concentration as well as at high dilution.

LQB, the fact that you are getting a Herx reaction is very interesting! It seems as though Rife was thoroughly destroyed and anyone that openly associates their techniques with what he discovered are blocked in one or another. However, it seems that given the work of Jacques Benveniste, there may be a way around that through homeopathy as that seems to be less of threat to the PTB.

I am still making my way through Plague Time (and it is very interesting) but I wanted to thank all who have contributed to this thread and line of research in general.

While i was reading this i `ve get one idea. The above princip about water memory is the same as homeopathy. In homeopathy we are trying to memorise some natural frequencies to the water from various different substances or live organisms. Then those frequencies are carried by water and if you want to make a homeopathic pills you are transferring those frequencies from water to little sugar pills. So its a transfer from a water to some king of crystal structure substance, sugar. I dont know how it is working. Is the water traped inside the sugar so the healing frequencies are trapped inside, or its transferred to the crystal structure.

In eastern Orthodox christianity there a lot of monasteries who usually have some water that is called healing water. Sometimes waters like that can be found just like a natural springs. My point is that maybe some of those waters have naturally encoded some frequencies( water memory ) so they can show some healing effects. I know some people who claim that they have ben healed or at least their condition have improved after taking some "healing water". Normally they thing that all that is just because they believe in god, but maybe this water memory phenomenon is explaining what is really going on. Water going through various rocks in the nature is picking up some frequencies and memorise them.

Rife machine and water memory can be a very effective way in fight against many diseases.

 

[aragorn]

I'm perhaps too scientific-minded, but this scanning for "unhealthy frequencies" or dowsing (if I understood you correctly, LQB) is a bit shady.

1. BRT can identify unhealthy electromagnetic oscillations (internal static) via electrodes placed on the body. These frequencies are then inverted in the computer and returned to the patient as a form of healing energy.

What are unhealthy electromagnetic oscillations, how are they determined? Further, how can the pathogens be identified with this dowsing-business, does the practitioner have some charts to do a comparison with, or is it just something intuitive?

LQB, can you tell more about how the identification of your pathogens was done?

 

[shijing]

Thanks for the in-depth info, Ocean, which seems to go well with trendsetter37's and LQB's latest posts.

Agreed! In connection with this, I wanted to mention a good book on energy healing modalities: Richard Gerber's A Practical Guide to Vibrational Medicine: Energy Healing and Spiritual Transformation. It has a good overview of several subfields of energy healing medicine -- I wrote a bit about the earlier edition of this book, Vibrational Medicine: The #1 Handbook of Subtle-Energy Therapies, in a post a couple years ago here. I'm hoping to read the more recent version sometime in the near future (the stack is constantly growing, so don't know exactly when).

I finally had a chance to listen to the following video that was embedded earlier in this thread:

Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt - 2 hour presentation on products

It's extremely information-dense, but well worth watching -- a separate document could easily be created for this video alone (note that the first and second quarters of the video seem to be almost identical). Not all of the information is germane to this thread, but a couple parts definitely are:

• At 1:44 there is a brief discussion of cistus tea being used to break apart biofilm as well as discourage tick-borne pathogens
• At 2:00 there is a discussion of parasites -- the first twenty minutes are about the bigger parasites, but starting at about 2:20 he begins discussing microorganisms

One important thing he mentions is the importance of getting antimicrobials in liposomal form -- he uses the jewelry cleaner method that has been discussed on the forum for do-it-yourself liposomal vitamin C. The reason this is so important is because it creates a "trojan horse" which allows the medicine to penetrate biofilms. He recommends doing this in particular with colloidal silver, which is otherwise relatively ineffective against biofilm-protected pathogens. Laura mentioned earlier that she hadn't experienced many benefits from colloidal silver, so this may be part of the reason why.

(As an aside, I'm currently reading the recently published Cassiopaea Experiment Transctipts (1995), and I noticed in the 1/14/95 session (p. 64) that the C's said Laura had a bacterial overgrowth in her intestines. The first thing that comes to mind in regard to this is SIBO, but it's possible that it may have referred to a biofilm -- I don't think the two are mutually exclusive in any case.)

Finally, this message was posted in a community events digest today:

REID PARK ZOO CLOSES CAMEL RIDES TEMPORARILY - A camel at Reid Park Zoo was diagnosed Monday with a bacterial infection (Corneybacterium pseduotuberculosis). In the interest of extreme caution, to prevent any cross contamination with the Zoo’s animals, the camel ride operation has been suspended for the time being. The camel is being treated aggressively with antibiotics, and all four camels will be kept under strict quarantine.
Read the news release: http://1.usa.gov/1N8zsUe

There's nothing particular to read into it, but it was interesting how it included recent topics from this thread. So just a bit of a tease from the Information Field I guess

 

[Ocean]

Thanks for the in-depth info, Ocean, which seems to go well with trendsetter37's and LQB's latest posts. I'd run into some of that information a while back, but never got around to looking into it further. Now I'm going to go slower and collect as much of the accumulated data as I can to study thoroughly.

Welcome SeekinTruth. I kind of 'Resonated' with that information myself. I think it is a subject that is exciting when researched in depth.

 

[Yas]

Since llama's and alpaca's are much easier to acquire and keep then camels I wonder if their milk has the same alleged properties as camel milk?

I didn't find any mention of the immunogenic properties of llama milk but it contains 6.5% lactose and 0.45, 0.30 and 0.15% of casein (alpha, beta and gamma type).

If you're interested there is a book dedicated to the milk of non-bovine mammals

I've been reading many articles on South American camelids but I can't quote them because I'm writing from a mobile. It seems that it's got all the heavy chain antibodies that the camel's milk is famous for, but, as Pierre said, the casein profile is different... they do have different types of casein including the "alfa-1 Casein" that is the "evil" type, apparently.

I was hoping that it could be an option, but it seems that it isn't.

 

[Altair]

Combating Biofilms: The Reason Many Diseases Do Not Respond To Treatment

Eugenol Basics

Eugenol is found in many essential oils and herbs. For example, it is found at a high potency in clove bud essential oil but also at a lower dose in cinnamon leaf and its essential oil. It is also found in pimento, bay, sassafras, massoy bark oils, oil of camphor and chamchwi plants according to PubChem. The potency and concentration varies widely depending on the source and extraction method. Further, this is not merely a powerful biofilm agent; it has other amazing properties such as anti-viral actions and anti-cancer effects.

[..]

Indeed, oral and genital Herpes, HSV-1 and HSV-2, respectively, could not reproduce in the presence of eugenol. Al-Sharif has shown significant cancer effects. A very low concentration (2 μM) has specific toxicity against different breast cancer cells. This killing effect was mediated through inducing a cancer cell death path and decreasing the levels of E2F1 and survivin--two molecules that are essential to cell survival. It also hindered breast cancer genes.

Eugenol and Biofilms

Recently, Dr. Zhou has reminded us of a special process that is involved in the formation of dangerous biofilms. Basically, many bacteria have a “chatty” way of talking to other cells such as other bacteria. So, bacteria use chemicals or cause other bacteria to make chemicals to help them survive and often act to harm you or a loved one. Eugenol is so effective that at very low amounts, it still disrupted bacteria chemical communication. This is very important in a biofilm destroying agent. If cells cannot communicate, it is doubtful they can form communities. Biofilms are community creations. Further, eugenol at very low doses, called “sub-inhibitory concentrations” inhibited biofilm

Linalool

In terms of biofilms, it seems to be most effective when the essential oil part is used, which has the most evidence of killing Candida albicans. (Candida albicans is the cause of yeast infections.) Yet, again, it is the essential oil fraction that not only inhibits the growth of Candida albicans but also of the bacteria Lactobacillus casei, Staphylococcus aureus, Streptococcus sobrinus, Porphyromonas gingivalis and Streptococcus mutans cell suspensions, all of them associated with oral cavity disease, according to Alviano and Mendonça-Filho. Yet, Budzyńska reported this essential oil did not fully remove biofilms formed by Staphylococcus aureus (ATCC 29213) and Escherichia coli (NCTC 8196) on the surface of routine medical materials such as urinary catheters, infusion tubes and surgical mesh. Hsu found that linalool could be effective against Candida albicans due to its many genetic blocking effects. For example, using a scanning electron microscope and other technology, many signs of the effect of linalool to destroy Candida or inhibit its growth could be noted. Hsu found blocking actions against genes involving adhesion production and the formation of “branches” or the mold’s hyphae were both decreased by linalool.

Terpenoids

I would like to mention a class of options that come from a familiar substance, chemicals from tea tree oil. We have already mentioned linalool which is part of this class individually, since it comes up as a leading biofilm killer. According to Raut, as many as 14 terpenoids derived from tea tree oil inhibit biofilms, and α-terpineol, nerol, isopulegol, carvone, linalool, α-thujone and farnesol are worthy of special note. Eight terpenoids have effects on mature yeast biofilms (Candida albicans). A study by Ramage shows tea tree oil (TTO), terpinen-4-ol (T-4-ol), and α-terpineol displaying potent activity against 69 biofilm-forming Candida strains, of which T-4-ol and α-terpineol displayed rapid kill action. Of these three, T-4-ol displayed no significant toxicity to cells. These data provide further laboratory evidence that TTO and its derivative components, specifically T-4-ol, exhibit strong antimicrobial properties against fungal biofilms. Further, T-4-ol appears to possess safety advantages over the complete essential oil (TTO) and may be suitable for prevention and treatment of established oral and upper throat cavity candidosis. Certain terpenoids are components of spices or food ingredients generally regarded as safe (GRAS) (Pauli 2006).

Recently, various studies have reported the anti-Candida biofilm activities of several important terpenes (Dalleau et al. 2008; Khan & Ahmad 2012). In this study, the activities of 28 terpenoids were analysed, 18 of which were studied against biofilms of C. albicans for the first time. Diflucan (fluconazole) was used as a standard drug, and was completely ineffective against Candida biofilm development. This routine yeast had significant growth even at a high drug concentration: 250 times more than the MIC for planktonic growth (single yeast cell growth) (Raut). Addition of terpenoids to early-phase biofilms (i.e. immediately after adhesion) prevented biofilm development. Farnesol, isopulegol, thymol, carvone, nerol, carvacrol, eugenol, α-thujone and β-ionone were also potent inhibitors of biofilm development.


Allicin and Garlic

Garlic has been used as a medicine throughout human history. Allicin is considered one of the medically useful components of garlic.

Lihua reported ten years later that allicin impacts Pseudomonas aeruginosa biofilm. This is hardly casual information, since P. aeruginosa is likely resistant to multiple antibiotics, and this resistance may be due to biofilms. Organosulfur allicin has been shown to inhibit surface-adherence of bacteria and Lihua demonstrated that allicin could inhibit early bacterial adhesion which is a first step to bacterial community formation, usually just before biofilm production.

Candida grows in biofilms. The biofilms are a barrier to antifungal drugs. Allicin showed significant reduction in biofilm growth compared to fluconazole. Amazingly, allicin also altered Candida genetics to decrease biofilm formation

 

[cubbex]

I'm perhaps too scientific-minded, but this scanning for "unhealthy frequencies" or dowsing (if I understood you correctly, LQB) is a bit shady.

1. BRT can identify unhealthy electromagnetic oscillations (internal static) via electrodes placed on the body. These frequencies are then inverted in the computer and returned to the patient as a form of healing energy.

What are unhealthy electromagnetic oscillations, how are they determined? Further, how can the pathogens be identified with this dowsing-business, does the practitioner have some charts to do a comparison with, or is it just something intuitive?

LQB, can you tell more about how the identification of your pathogens was done?

I am thankful to the books you shared about rife. I know a man here in my city, he's popular because he's know to free people of spirit attachments. He combines this with supplements. What he does and what others have told me, is that he uses one sort of electrified knife which he pretends to use to cut the spirit. People that go with him have chronic illnesses or they get sick out of nothing. He can cure mild cancer I guess, and he can cure severe illnesses, my entire family except myself testify this. They say he passes the electrified knife through the hurt part, or the are of the body which contains the illness, they say that they feel one of the strongest pain on their muscle and skin, and the guy passes the knife as if killing something. Then people get miraculously healed, but they say that part of their body, as if it was inside the skin, hurts for a time, hours or days.

My mother was dying of some sort of weird sickness, because she did a lot of exercise and her immune system was not able to protect her, she was dying and she looked like a zombie, and she was falling into deep depression. This man passed the knife on her head and back and other areas, and she healed. Of course I don't think he can cure AIDS or something, but since I heard of the Rife techn and other books I got about similar tech, I seriously got curious and got the need to interview him. I just fear the results, the man can read your mind as if it was peeling an apple.

 

[Anthony]

I ran into the following excerpts from a sessions.

Q: Let me ask quickly, does giving Reiki to a person who has a bacterial or viral infection increase the potential of the infection? What is the effect?
A: Broad inquiry, but Reiki is best suited to conditions not microbially induced.
Q: Is it the case that you are actually feeding the microbes with energy?
A: Can, or effects can cancel each other out.
Q: What about when you are dealing with cancer... not, cancers are not microbial necessarily... but some have been shown to be microbial...
A: Microbially triggered.
Q: So cancers are microbially triggered?
A: Some.
Q: (V) As we practice Reiki, how do we know if we are doing the person more harm than good? How do we decide if we are going to make them sicker or better?
A: Ask if they are suffering from infection.
Q: What if they don't know? There are a lot of times that a person doesn't know.
A: True, but odds are in your favor.
Q: (V) So the viruses cannot be treated by etherical healing? Is there any method that will work other than Reiki?
A: Prayer.

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=27027.225

(L) Okay, we have a question that Psyche and I have been thinking about. After reading this book about viruses, we have the idea that viruses may be the means by which genetic manipulation {as in intentional coming from other densities} has taken place on this planet for millions, if not billions, of years.

A: Yes

Q: (L) Does that mean that a virus is a transdimensional manifestation?

A: Yes. Thoughts made manifest! Compare to some crop circles!

Q: (Psyche) Some viruses in the atlas DO look like crop circles. [wind noise muffles Ark's question] (Ark)...of course virus is just pure DNA, or what? (Psyche) It can be both DNA or RNA depending on the type of virus, and usually coated to protect itself. There are so many types of viruses; it can be just a piece of genetic code. (Ark) Okay, so my question is whether there is a particular part of the virus that has the property that is not just described by normal quantum physics or quantum chemistry and so on, or its the whole organization of virus that has this property?

A: Yes. Information field aggregates matter.

Q: (talk of thought vs. information) (Belibaste) Does information command or direct the aggregation of different proteins or amino acids to form a virus? Materialization?

A: Yes.

Q: (Psyche) It's very interesting because they have found in our "junk" DNA, properties of viruses that are close in location to those of stem cells, and also cells that end up producing cancer. It is quite interesting. (Perceval) That means our DNA is thought made manifest?

A: More or less!

Q: (Perceval) Except when we do the thinking, we mess it up. So we should stop thinking and interfering with the manifestation of our DNA! (laughter)

 

[LQB]

I'm perhaps too scientific-minded, but this scanning for "unhealthy frequencies" or dowsing (if I understood you correctly, LQB) is a bit shady.

1. BRT can identify unhealthy electromagnetic oscillations (internal static) via electrodes placed on the body. These frequencies are then inverted in the computer and returned to the patient as a form of healing energy.

What are unhealthy electromagnetic oscillations, how are they determined? Further, how can the pathogens be identified with this dowsing-business, does the practitioner have some charts to do a comparison with, or is it just something intuitive?

LQB, can you tell more about how the identification of your pathogens was done?

Dowsing, as in finding underground water streams, is not "shady" at all. [My well was drilled on this basis successfully and the stream was tracked down the hill to be sure that it did not intersect the footprint of the house.] The dowser is an integral part of the detection process - iow, if you attached a forked stick to a machine and tried to measure deflection as the machine traversed the land, there would be no meaningful response. Put the same stick in a good dowser's hands and he/she will tell you where the streams are and roughly how far down. Some dowsers can estimate the flow rate.

Its the same with the practitioner and device I mentioned above. The device, by itself, does not do the detection - the practitioner and his intent are integral parts of the process. This particular machine is PC-controlled and allows the practitioner a very wide range of interrogation (frequencies) options. The patient holds a bar electrode in the left hand while the practitioner wields the second electrode on the right hand (a side of the thumb in my case). The PC displays the time response. The practitioner interprets the response and slowly builds a small database of detections. If you were to mechanically automate this process (without a practitioner), the results would probably be as poor as the dowsing example above. Once the database is complete, the associated frequencies are "replayed" to an electrode plate on which a bottle of homeopathic base solution is placed. The time required for this last step can be significant depending on the size of the database.

The practitioner has very fluid control over what pathogens/conditions or groups of these are interrogated for so that things can be narrowed down pretty quickly.