Bird Flu, Swine Flu, Vaccines

[manitoban]

I've noticed that people who have had the flu shot not only do get sick right after it, they also seem get the flu much more often throughout the year. In two cases that I know of, they seemed to become more sickly in general. I suggested to one friend that having the flu shot yearly may have contributed to her continually catching colds, feeling run down etc, and she responded that her doctor said she especially needed the flu shot because she had a weakened immune system!

 

[Nathan]

A friend of mine told his employee not to get the flu shot this year because he didn't want his employee sick and off work for a week (this happened every year). Going by the examples in this thread, it seems the general belief is "I'm sick but if I didn't get the flu shot, it would have been so much more worse!"

And not only do those who get the flu shot catch the flu more frequently and severely, but it takes them weeks to recover. Sorry, is this flu shot meant to strengthen the immune system or weaken it? ;)

The last time I had a flu shot was back in school (age 16 perhaps). In the eight years since, I've never experienced cold or flu symptoms. So I won't be rushing out to get a flu shot any time soon!

It really does stagger the mind that so many people aren't making what -- to us -- appears to be a painfully obvious connection.

 

[herondancer]

The last time I was sick enough to stay in bed, it was a wake-up call that I was over-extended in every area of my life, and needed to cut back. Not the "flu" at all. I wonder if this is the part of the reason so many get "the flu". Illness is one of the few semi-legitimate reasons left to justify taking some rest. I've never had a flu shot, and have not been ill in any sort of bedridden sense in over 15 years. Needless to say, I never will if it can possibly be managed. Many folks at my job get them every year as they can be had through free clinics. They are off at least once and some multiple times in the season, either right after the holidays or just before spring, when their immune systems are really shot.

Flu shots are a scam.

Herondancer

 

[Third_Density_Resident]

Flu shots are a scam.

It is highly likely that the vast majority, if not all, vaccines are a scam. Watch this video for some very enlightening information.

 

[OCKHAM]

It is highly likely that the vast majority, if not all, vaccines are a scam.

I would agree with this as I have never had one. The last vaccine I had was small pox in the 70's I believe it was. Haven't been sick with a flu like illness in years, maybe decades.

What about all the unknown ingredients these people place into their bodies every year along with the virus? Tried watching the video but as usual, the buffering takes forever, must be a crowded night a google. Will try later.

Did find this article, thought it was informative.
_http://www.advancedhealthplan.com/donstalk.html

Here's a snipet.

What's in a vaccine?
Regardless that the first mass vaccination program, using Edward Jenner's smallpox vaccine in England, was officially declared a public health disaster by a Royal commission in 1896, the vaccine myth has survived. Today there are vaccines for many diseases and they contain the most toxic substances on earth. Among them are ethyl mercury, aluminum, formaldehyde, live and dead viruses cultured in animal tissue and aborted human fetal tissue, phenols, monosodium glutamate, aspartame and ammonium sulfate. It is not uncommon for children to receive several vaccines in one day. It is, therefore, not uncommon for them to have injected into their bodies up to 60 times the safe allowable limit of mercury-the most toxic non-radioactive substance known to man.

How do vaccines work?
The theory is that small amounts of disease matter introduced into the body will enter the blood, creating antibodies that prevent the proliferation of the disease's wild form, thus preventing one from contracting the disease against which he has been vaccinated; this process allegedly creates an artificial immunity to the disease.

When one develops a holistic understanding of how body systems work in concert to prevent toxic materials from entering the bloodstream, it becomes obvious that the antibody theory of disease prevention is absurd. Even the CDC recognizes that the presence of disease antibodies, the creation of which comprise the entire justification for vaccines, does not necessarily result in immunity from the disease.

Richard Moscowitz, MD, has provided us with one of the most succinct explanations of what vaccines are really accomplishing once they have been forced into our bodies. "By 'tricking' the body in this fashion [with vaccines] we have accomplished what the entire immune system seems to have evolved in order to prevent; we have placed the virus directly into the blood and given it free and immediate access to the major immune organs and tissues, without any obvious way to get rid of it."

Therein lies the core of the war being waged inside the bodies of the world's people: Once injected, the viruses, the metals and other toxic vaccine components are inside of us where they can continue doing damage.

The symptoms of disease is our body attempting to rid itself of toxins. By masking the symptoms with vaccines or other pharmaceutical drugs, the body does not eliminate the original toxins-or the additional ones-they are, instead, forced deeper into our tissues where they cause infections capable of developing into chronic illnesses.

The toxic materials of vaccines forever circulating in our bodies, coupled with malnutrition, dehydration, constant exposure to other toxins and/or stress, create the bodily environment conducive to the development of neuroses, cancer, asthma, AIDS, multiple sclerosis and other autoimmune diseases currently epidemic in the world.

Another point to keep in mind is that vaccines, many of which contain genetic material from animals, may be linked to subtle but widespread genetic mutations in ever-growing numbers of human populations. These mutations may predetermine children's capacity for allergic responses that result in asthma, skin problems and other chronic illnesses.

 

[Third_Density_Resident]

Ockham, that's correct. The video actually covers the fact that the theory behind vaccination is totally flawed, like the paragraph you excerpted. It was found that after someone gets an illness, certain antibodies naturally build up, but that these antibodies have very little to do with fighting the disease -- rather they are like a 'side-effect'. And some people were found to have very few antibodies at all, despite getting over a significant illness in the normal time-frame.

 

[OCKHAM]

Today, on the radio in Tampa FL, 101.5, the point, undoubtedly a Clear Channel operative, they were running a commercial for flu shots at one of the local walk in clinics. You could get one for $30 without a doctor's appointment. The commercial had music even; like they were selling hair products or something.

I seem to have read a little about the antibody thinking. Probably needs a lot more looking into.

 

[dj]

This is a big area to dig into. It strikes me as daunting as some of the work Laura does when she "follows the thread of Ariadne". It can be quite a maze, to my mind.

I've wondered on the role mycoplasma, parasites, or viral infectious organisms might play in triggering an aggravated immune response.
Also, the recent flood of advice to increase Vitamin D to previously unheard of levels (well, I never heard of taking that much) struck me as suspicious - and then along comes a bit of research that hinted Vit D in high oral doses may tend to promote some autoimmune disorders.

There is much to unravel in this area, for sure.

 

[PepperFritz]

It’s not wise to just stop taking medications we take for treatment of a disease, but exploring alternatives is something to consider.

What "alternatives" are you suggesting?

 

[PepperFritz]

I've wondered on the role mycoplasma, parasites, or viral infectious organisms might play in triggering an aggravated immune response.

One of the conditions listed above -- Reiter's Syndrome (a.k.a. Reactive Arthritis) -- is known to be "triggered" by infection or food poisoning. I myself developed the syndrome in my early 20s in response to a case of Salmonella. The majority of people who develop Reactive Arthritis also test positive for gene known as HLA-B27, which runs in families.

Interestingly, even "mainstream" doctors have come to recognize that those who develop auto-immune disorders such as Reactive Arthritis and Fibromyalgia almost inevitably have a background of childhood family trauma (e.g. physical, mental, and/or sexual abuse). The theory is that such high-stress environments cause the body to enter into a state of perpetual "hyper vigilance" -- the immune system and "nerve body" never relax, or "turn off", when they should, because it is constantly prepared to defend against "attack".

I myself fit that profile, and it makes sense to me.

The alternatives to anti-inflammatory medications and/or steroids? Ya got me. I've been looking for that my entire adult life....

 

[D69]

Autoimmune Hearing Loss - Steroids (prednisone), methotrexate, chemotherapy agent

never heard about that , but instead i heard a lot about Autoimmune Hair Loss.
Possible spelling mistake ?

 

[Meg]

It’s not wise to just stop taking medications we take for treatment of a disease, but exploring alternatives is something to consider.

What "alternatives" are you suggesting?

Hi Pepper,

Knowledge for one. The thread on Fasting, MSG, Gluten, Soy was very helpful http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=5882.msg40343#msg40343

By alternatives, I mean alternatives to treatment that suppresses immune function.

As far as alternative treatments go, I've done Hulda Clarks' liver cleanse four times and her parasite cleanse, the Ayervedic Skin Detox, Juicing, eating foods recommended for O Positive humans, A 10 day herbal fast (master cleanse) Blessed Herbs Colon Cleanse http://www.blessedherbs.com/bh/colon_overview
I drink only distilled water now. Those are alternatives, osit.

I was diagnosed with MS three years ago. Reading and learning about autoimmune diseases and their treatments is what prompted the Bird Flu post. That prompted reading about alternative treatments which started with the information and knowledge provided on this forum and applying it in my life.

I stopped taking Copaxone a year ago and started to pay attention to my diet and my many i's (attempts at self observation, anyway) I have noticed a huge difference. My mind is clearer. My GI system is working like I never thought it could:) Spasticity is gone. Tremor in my right hand is MUCH better and appears only when I'm stressed. Brain fog is gone! That feeling of helplessness is gone too, which is a biggie, I think. The "numb spot" I had disappeared after the colon cleanse. The fatigue left two weeks after being off the Copaxone. I've lost 40+ pounds in the last year. My last MRI (April 08) was "unchanged", which apparently is good. I'm doing a 4-7 day water fast in a couple of weeks.

Acupuncture, Reiki, finding a good Naturopathic doctor and learning more about herbal treatments are what I have in mind for future alternative treatments.

Recommended reading for starters:

Fasting and Eating for Health, by Dr. Joel Fuhrman __http://www.drfuhrman.com)
http://www.amazon.com/Fasting-Eating-Health-Medical-Conquering/dp/031218719X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1214754921&sr=1-1

Dr Fuhrman links autoimmune diseases with leaky gut syndrome. "Autoimmune disease sufferers have an abnormality of the digestive tract that allows incompletely digested foodstuffs to pass through the intestinal lining and enter the bloodstream" He implicates meat and other animal foods suggesting that "when peptides of animal proteins are absorbed, they not only can lead to the formation of antibodies against them, but can cross react against human proteins in the body. (snip) When the immune system views the animal peptides in the bloodstream and attempts to attack and destroy them, the antibodies created can continue to attack other body tissues later. Because amino acid sequences in human body proteins are similar to those of the animal peptides, these antibodies can attach to and cause a reaction to one's own tissues.' Chapter 7, Autoimmune Disease

The Fasting Path by Stephen Harrod Buhner: http://www.amazon.com/Fasting-Path-Spiritual-Emotional-Physical/dp/1583331700/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1214754480&sr=8-1)
Cure for All Diseases by Hulda Clark: http://www.drloyd.com/cure.pdf

 

[Meg]

Autoimmune Hearing Loss - Steroids (prednisone), methotrexate, chemotherapy agent

never heard about that , but instead i heard a lot about Autoimmune Hair Loss.
Possible spelling mistake ?

Hi Drygol,

The list comes from Johns Hopkins and they aren't sure either:)

Autoimmune Hearing Loss- We are currently compiling data about this disease. We apologize for the delay. Please check back soon.

_http://autoimmune.pathology.jhmi.edu/diseases.cfm?systemID=12&diseaseID=14

Another source:

Autoimmune hearing loss, which is a medical emergency, can occur as a distinct condition or as an accompanying feature of other autoimmune disorders.

In 1979, the physician McCabe first described a group of patients with sudden sensorineural hearing loss (related to the inner ear) who improved after being treated with corticosteroids. This favorable response to corticosteroids suggested that hearing loss in these patients was caused by an autoimmune mechanism.

Since, other researchers have elaborated on these findings to create a more concise picture of autoimmune inner ear disorders. Now it is known that the perisacular tissue surrounding the inner ear’s endolymphatic sac contains the necessary components for an autoimmune reaction. Suspected autoimmune triggers include trauma and infectious agents. Autoimmune hearing loss is considered a medical emergency. Without prompt treatment, permanent deafness can result. _http://autoimmunedisease.suite101.com/article.cfm/autoimmune_hearing_loss

(snip)Resources:

Shelly Jaquish, Inner Ear, Autoimmune Disease, April 10, 2006, eMedicine from WebMD, accessed March 1, 2007.

Autoimmune Inner Ear Disease, University of Pennsylvania Health System Balance Center.

Autoimmune Inner Ear disease, American Academy of Otolaryngology, Head and Neck Surgery,

Matteson El, Fabry DA, et al., Open trial of methotrexate as treatment for autoimmune hearing loss, Arthritis Rheum, 2001 April; 45(2): 146-159.

 

[D69]

I was just kinda surprised when i didnt find Autoimmune Hair loss on that list , thats why i asked.
According to several dermatologists , it is main cause of hair loss and is possibly quite popular.
Anyways , since i stopped with all that steroids and other drugs that was supposed to help me , everything slowly comes back to normal - except one fact , i am still loosing all my hair and at the same time i got new grown , but totally different color.
I am researching this to find possible connections with DNA changes etc. etc.
Also interesting clue is that during WW2 , dr. Mengele aka Angel Of Death , was researching a lot with human hair (hungarian twins) , especially child hair. At this moment i dont know more , still researching in my spare time.

 

[PepperFritz]

Fasting, dietary changes, vitamins, supplements, naturopathy -- I've done it all, and my particular condition does not respond to any of them, unfortunately. (Note: I have had this condition for almost 30 years.) I have been doing a great deal of research into herbal treatments over the last few months, and am currently growing (and harvesting in my local area) herbs and wild plants that are particularly recommended for inflammatory problems. I am drinking lots of fresh tea infusions daily, and have begun making my own tinctures and infused oils. Too early to report re benefits, but I'm hopeful. I've not been able to try Acupuncture or Reiki due to extremely limited funds. Mostly I concentrate on "managing" my symptoms via a lot of simple self-help "therapies", such as stretching exercises, massage, balancing periods of exercise with sufficient rest, eating a balanced and nutritious diet, etc.

I'm very pleased to hear that you are benefitting from the alternative treatments you have been pursuing. However, I'm wary of people like Dr. Fuhrman who attribute ALL auto-immune disorders to ONE CAUSE, and who, with evangelical fervor, espouse a one-size-fits-all cure-all. As your summary above illustrates, there is a huge range of disorders that fall into the category of "auto-immune" (many for want of anywhere else to put them, I suspect). I think the nature and "causes" of these conditions are as wide and varied as the individuals who suffer them, and that it is a matter of each individual exploring various treatment options to discover the unique combination of therapies that that may benefit them in particular.

I am very skeptical, for instance, when I read Dr. Fuhrman's statement: "Autoimmune disease sufferers have an abnormality of the digestive tract that allows incompletely digested foodstuffs to pass through the intestinal lining and enter the bloodstream". Really? ALL of them? How many "autoimmune disease sufferers" has he examined and treated? How does he "diagnose" such an "abnormality of the digestive tract"? The best that the good doctor could claim is that he has a theory as to why SOME individuals may exhibit "autoimmune" symptoms, and that his particular treatment has helped SOME people overcome and/or reduce those symptoms.

Please don't get me wrong, I am NOT in any way saying that one should not aggressively seek treatment/therapy for physical ailments, either via traditional medical routes or "alternative" avenues; or that we should stop seeking treatments and "cures" for the diseases from which so many suffer. I simply question the underlying belief system that seems to prevail in both camps: i.e., that illness and disease should not exist, and that if you are ill, it's because you are not doing x, y, z, to get yourself "healthy".

From a spiritual perspective, illness and disease can be much more complex. Why we have a particular disease may be more a spiritual question than a medical one. We may have chosen to be born with a "diseased" body in this particular incarnation in order to learn certain lessons; or we may (subconsciously) contract a temporary illness for the same reason. We may be expressing an inner psychological and/or spiritual conflict via our bodies, and the "answer" may not be physiological in nature. In that respect, self-knowledge, self-examination, self-observance may be as important as what we do or do not eat on a daily basis. What kind of a childhood we had may be as important in gaining knowledge about our disease as being tested for food allergies. I also recall the C's mentioning that certain physical symptoms could be inevitable "side effects" of being in the process of transitioning to 4th density, for instance.

I just wanted to introduce another layer into the discussion: A reminder that a treatment that has proved successful for Individual A may not prove successful for Individual B, even though they suffer from the same kind of symptoms; That because certain therapies have helped some individuals with a given disorder, it may not help ALL with the same disorder, due to differing body chemistries and other variables; And that it is not necessarily "bad" or "wrong" to be ill, there may be a greater benefit to be gained by going through a seemingly "negative" experience. There is much that we do not, and cannot, know, and that must always be part of the equation as well.

Or so I see it....