Boardlurker? Read this!!

Thank you all you wonderful people!
My English is to .."simple" to tell you how much I appreciate you all!!!

Laura and you made something unbelievable :clap: :wizard: :rockon:

It takes to much time for me to write and check it and still make a mistakes....And my internet wireless connection is low almost all the time so I had somtimes to write again, takes more time...
So, sorry for all mistakes in advance!
:love:
 
Hi Nienna Eluch!
Your post still stands ...for me at least! :)You said something I immidiately noticed:"you were rewiring your brain"!
Hope it "stands" for me , I mean- hope its the truth!
I like to read yours answers to others - so full with understandings, so indulgence, meticulous... :rockon:
Thanks!
 
As someone who is guilty of posting their fair share of noise and have stuck my foot in it quite a few times, I'm wondering what boardlurkers (past or present) think about initially just posting to the welcome thread? I think this is a really good way to "dip a toe in the water". I think that just starting out with a "Hi whoever" can be a safe place to start as there is little to no attention given. It also removes focus from you to another person (sort of a form of external considering).

I wonder if sometimes people who are boardlurking get so caught up in posting some "amazing insight" in some of the more complex threads that they overlook the importance of the simpler threads. Many times, a person's first post seems to be in these complex threads and they find themselves overwhelmed with the responses generated particularly if they are not up to speed on the subject. While I find nothing wrong with this method, it seems to me that this can be a self fulfilling prophecy where they are not sure how to answer to replies and thus their anticipation of being rejected gets "confirmed".

Other good threads to start with, in my opinion, are the ones concerning practical problems in people's lives. We all have some life experience that can be immensely helpful to these threads. What do you think of this method?

http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?board=39.0

After 10 posts:
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?board=59.0
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?board=57.0
 
truth seeker said:
I wonder if sometimes people who are boardlurking get so caught up in posting some "amazing insight" in some of the more complex threads that they overlook the importance of the simpler threads. Many times, a person's first post seems to be in these complex threads and they find themselves overwhelmed with the responses generated particularly if they are not up to speed on the subject. While I find nothing wrong with this method, it seems to me that this can be a self fulfilling prophecy where they are not sure how to answer to replies and thus their anticipation of being rejected gets "confirmed".

Other good threads to start with, in my opinion, are the ones concerning practical problems in people's lives.

I'm not sure that I can agree with you truth seeker, I think that it is more subjective that that. As a boardlurker before joining the forum, and where I'm at now, I think the reverse may be true for me. I have gone from responding to, and initiating, complex threads, to, or am now plateaued at, responding to practical experiences. This may be as a result of where I'm currently at in the E-E Breathing-Meditation programme.
 
Trevrizent said:
truth seeker said:
I wonder if sometimes people who are boardlurking get so caught up in posting some "amazing insight" in some of the more complex threads that they overlook the importance of the simpler threads. Many times, a person's first post seems to be in these complex threads and they find themselves overwhelmed with the responses generated particularly if they are not up to speed on the subject. While I find nothing wrong with this method, it seems to me that this can be a self fulfilling prophecy where they are not sure how to answer to replies and thus their anticipation of being rejected gets "confirmed".

Other good threads to start with, in my opinion, are the ones concerning practical problems in people's lives.

I'm not sure that I can agree with you truth seeker, I think that it is more subjective that that. As a boardlurker before joining the forum, and where I'm at now, I think the reverse may be true for me. I have gone from responding to, and initiating, complex threads, to, or am now plateaued at, responding to practical experiences. This may be as a result of where I'm currently at in the E-E Breathing-Meditation programme.

That's interesting. I'm curious as to why you found the reverse easier?
 
Hi truth seeker,

I'm not sure that I found it easier that way round, it's more a case of where I've got to, I'd certainly like to be back responding to complex threads now.

I know that at the beginning procrastination and introversion played a large part in what I responded to, and, as a consequence I would go off and ponder, research and write before posting to complex threads, recalling certain book references, etc. and applying my thoughts. Still, then, my posting was of low frequency and often off at a tangent to other people. To overcome the procrastination I decided to post more frequently by being more spontaneous in typing a reply if I had anything relevant to say concerning my thoughts behind a post. This has worked to an extent.

As a result of where I appear to be on the E-E Breathing-Meditation programme, and I seem to have a roller coaster ride on this, I currently have a mental block on recalling relevant information to reply to posts, to see, to do, to be motivated to reply even on subjects that I'm up to speed on - and this has happened in the past too - I appear to be stuck, plateaued, in what I'm processing, what needs processing emotionally in the E-E programme now. In the past I have bounced back and posted on more complex threads in a relevant manner, able to see and do.
 
Hi Everyone!

Thanks for all the invigorating information on this board, lots to think about! When I was scanning over the new posts tonight this board really caught my eye. I really felt "called out" when I read Vulcan's initial post about fence-sitting and being blocked. I've been guilty of it for a long time and for anyone out there who's still lurking let me tell you it's not healthy. Just reading this information and not taking advantage of the outlet to discuss it really caused me a lot of grief. I'm just getting used to it now, but the more I do it the more wonderful a group I realize this is. The obstacle is the path, and the fear of posting is definitely an obstacle for a newbie like myself.

Trevrizent keep on keeping on, I'm sure you'll make it through this bump too! I've had the same trouble the past week, so I know how all those frustrating emotions that pop up can bog ya down. Just wishing you luck! :)
 
Hi everyone.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this. I've been a boardlurker for some time, and I always feel that I have nothing to say,or if I do than there's no point because someone else will say it better!
It's good to know that I'm not alone, and I feel encouraged to overcome my reluctance to express myself.

Thanks!
 
truth seeker said:
... I'm wondering what boardlurkers (past or present) think about initially just posting to the welcome thread? I think this is a really good way to "dip a toe in the water". I think that just starting out with a "Hi whoever" can be a safe place to start as there is little to no attention given. It also removes focus from you to another person (sort of a form of external considering).

Thank you for bringing this up, truth seeker. I'm feeling a bit stymied at this point. I did think about doing exactly as you suggest, but - speaking only for myself now - it didn't feel sincere to me.

As in: I'm so new here, how can I presume to welcome others on behalf of a community I've only just joined too? It feels - to me, for me - a bit self-aggrandizing. More STS than STO. Which is not what I want to do.

Secondary quandary: the forum is designed to grant increased access to information with increasing post totals. Which makes perfect sense to me, for a learning environment. But... again being newish, there's not much I feel qualified to add to most discussions at this point, and I'm nowhere near ready to ask intelligent questions.

And, I can't shake the feeling that I'm feeding the STS beast if I post greetings simply - or even partly - with one eye on that posting total.

No idea what to do about it at this point, which means I'll probably keep doing nothing, at least for now. Just continuing to read.

But that makes me a lurker...

... can't win.

Frustrating.
 
Cumulus said:
As in: I'm so new here, how can I presume to welcome others on behalf of a community I've only just joined too? It feels - to me, for me - a bit self-aggrandizing. More STS than STO. Which is not what I want to do.

Secondary quandary: the forum is designed to grant increased access to information with increasing post totals. Which makes perfect sense to me, for a learning environment. But... again being newish, there's not much I feel qualified to add to most discussions at this point, and I'm nowhere near ready to ask intelligent questions.

And, I can't shake the feeling that I'm feeding the STS beast if I post greetings simply - or even partly - with one eye on that posting total.

No idea what to do about it at this point, which means I'll probably keep doing nothing, at least for now. Just continuing to read.

But that makes me a lurker...

... can't win.

Frustrating.

Hi Cumulus - in one of your early posts, you were greeted by several members. How did those greetings make you feel?
 
Hi 1984

Thanks for asking. I felt welcomed... but I didn't know where to go from there.

Oh my. Two things just hit.

(1) - the last post I made here "killed the thread" where I posted it, at least it seemed to - I wasn't sure what to think. I didn't "see" that as contributing to this stuckness, but now I realize that it is.

No blaming. I didn't know how to process what happened (the thread dying), because I don't really know what happened. It's entirely possible that nothing happened, purely nothing, with no meaning or intent. So that nothing needs to be processed. Except my own reaction to nothing happening!

(2) - so, now it occurs to me that this navelgazing I'm engaged in here-and-now is probably just as STS as the stuff I'm worrying about. Probably more so. :-[ :cry:

Oh great. Ouch. Now what? (rhetorical question, but not only rhetorical.)
 
Thanks for the explanation Treverizent. I think I may have oversimplified the issue in my post. I was looking for some sort of practical solution to the issue of boardlurking, but as usual the devil is in the details.

Also thanks everyone else for their replies as well.

Cumulus, I understand what you're saying. I kind of think of the welcoming posts as a front door in a house (forum). In this line of thinking, the house is busy with activity and so not everyone hears the doorbell being rung or can get to the door for whatever reason at that time. Although any person may feel that since it is not their house they have no right to answer the door, there is still someone who needs welcoming. The person coming in out of the cold and chaos doesn't care who answers, just as long as someone does. When I was "let in", I didn't care who did it or how long they were in the house. I was just relieved that someone did.

I think it's the same for everyone who is genuine as we're all seeking refuge. In my opinion (I may be completely off here) it's seems that it's more self aggrandizing to not open the door when someone is knocking. The question you posed
I'm so new here, how can I presume to welcome others on behalf of a community I've only just joined too?
reads to me as: "I am not worthy to answer the door. Who am I?" I think the self importance comes in the not answering because of feeling unworthy to do so. How can you not answer when someone is asking? My intention in posting this is not to induce guilt but rather to point out an issue that I think becomes confused. Deciphering internal considering from external considering can be tricky. I think that one way to figure out one from the other is to determine the reason for the behavior. In short, does someone not answer because they feel uncomfortable doing so or because no one is truly asking. I'm only speaking in the context of posting to the welcome forum so the issue becomes further complex when speaking of other situations.

One clue that made me regard the sentence quoted above as being internally considerate is the shifting of personal responsibility from the self by disguising it as external consideration. "I can't answer because I would appear presumptuous."

I also think that how a person interacts on the forum is the same as how they interact with their life. I don't see a separation in this. When people begin to post, they have noticed a huge difference in terms of how they interact in the world. They become more accessible. I don't think this is a coincidence.

In terms of killing threads, I'm sure that I've done more than my fair share of this! This may be subjective or not. The illusion being that I have control over whether other people post or not. Any thread can be revived by anyone at any time. Sometimes someone will post noise (myself included) and the thread just continues. We've all done it. I don't think there's any shame in that. I won't speak for anyone else here, but I don't keep tabs of this or think badly of anyone for it. Other times, a thread will temporarily die simply because there is nothing more to add. Someone has to be the last one to post.

I didn't know how to process what happened (the thread dying), because I don't really know what happened. It's entirely possible that nothing happened, purely nothing, with no meaning or intent. So that nothing needs to be processed. Except my own reaction to nothing happening!

I believe this is the crux. No one posted at all or they didn't post "soon enough". The negative introject (thought loops) start: "I hope everyone "liked" what I posted.", "No one is posting, they must not like me.", Something is wrong with my post!", "I knew I shouldn't have posted!", "I'll never post again!". And so it goes. This is your predator.

The lurking issue... I don't think that someone is a lurker when they are not posting. If that's the case, then everytime I don't post I would be lurking! I think the clue for whether someone is lurking points again to the reason for not posting. Is someone not posting because they genuinely don't have something to say or because they think what they have to say has no worth?

I just want to add two thoughts that came up when reading this thread:

I have noticed a "softening" of this forum since around August and will say to those lurking that one really shouldn't fear being seen. It's really safe here. Everyone works hard to keep this an environment respectful and compassionate.

The last thing, I really have to extend my appreciation and admiration of those posting who don't speak English as a first language. I'm in Belgium and can't even begin to fathom how long it would take me to compose a post in Dutch or any other language. Amazing. Keep up the great work!
 
Thanks, truth seeker! There's a great deal of truth in what you're saying, especially about the thread killing issue.

I have to admit, in my realspace life and work I'm pretty confident because I'm pretty well established as a competent, helpful, go-to kind of person who knows what she is talking about, has lots of institutional memory, and has both foresight and insight. That's honestly what I hear back from people, and it really makes the people part of my daily work worthwhile.

It has been a mixed blessing, of course. There are snakes in suits where I work, too. I have had to learn how to avoid being taken advantage of, and "the system" is set up to do precisely that (take advantage, I mean.) Pretty much all systems are, I think. What else does 'profit' mean?

Here, though, I feel new, inept, all wool and a yard wide. I've been a tech writer and editor, and being unable to edit my posts here almost paralyzes me sometimes. That's me, I own that. And if it results in better posts for everyone else and less sloppiness on my part, that's good, isn't it? But that's partly why thread killing - or the illusion of it - gets to me. Pro writer kills thread. Giver of Great Value :rolleyes: posts junk. Yikes. :rolleyes: Taken in the right spirit, this can only be good for me. You see very acutely, you saw this before I did. Thank you.

And this whole area - ponerization, pathology - is one that I can't really talk about with people I know in realspace. Very few people want to go into these matters, as far as I can tell. Raising the issues even delicately seems to panic many people. Forcing people to think about things they fear is unkind, so I don't go there. Besides, it's not self-protective to reveal these things in many situations. Those who fear can become permanently uncomfortable around you. And not everyone fears. Some prey. When you're that alone with your thoughts, it's awfully easy to become something of a hermit, I think.

The crux of the issue for me here, may be that I have had bad online experiences elsewhere, in very 'turfy' places with lots of predation going on, dominated by cliques, presented falsely as sanctuaries, places where people can go to discuss and explore their experiences of predation and heal from such experiences. Some of these places are run by ostensibly licensed therapists. People supposedly invested in healing and helping, but not really.

In such places - from what I've seen - the hierarchy weighs a ton, there are unwritten rules strung all over like tripwires, and for the people honestly seeking healing and insight, no matter what you do or say, it's wrong. These places are deathtraps. And I have a tremendous fear of setting off landmines, now.

I know from reading here that people are very familiar with this issue and such places, I've seen some of them named, and named rightly. The fear of harm is also mine, it's something I own. And one thing mainstream mental health does have right: you can't think that kind of fear away, you have to overlay the bad experience with good ones. Desensitization. Can't do that if I won't participate.

OK. This is being all about me. I can do that offline alone. I like, and I get, what you are saying about answering the door. You've given me a mental image that really helps... I've visited some intentional communities of different kinds, and guess what... in these communities, the folks who answer the door, as often as not, ARE the newest members. Welcoming is important. In fact, it's one of the most important things. And you don't have to own the place. I stand, gratefully, corrected.

Sorry for the noise and the self-involvement here. Thank you. And I enthusiastically second your applause for all the people posting in English here who didn't grow up speaking or writing it! :cool2: :thup: :cool2:
 
Thanks to Vulcan for starting this thread and for reminding us of the importance of networking. I have to say I haven't even been much of a lurker recently, though I have been reading many of the recommended works and reading SOTT. Like many others here, I often feel I have nothing much to say or offer. There is also a part of me that questions spending time with people I am likely to never meet in this 3D world (I don't say that this is either good or bad...it's just something I wonder about). However, like many people on here, I don't find many people in my circle to discuss many of the issues that are found on this site. Also, a very important part here is the mirroring, revealing the programs we have.
Once again, I feel at a loss for words here, but just a thankyou to you all and particularly to Vulcan for such a welcome reminder :)
 
Regarding the idea of "killing a thread", I don't think that's a correct way of looking at why no one responds to a post you make. Sometimes, a post has summed up everything that needs to be said and so no more comment is needed. Other times, it may be that people aren't able to properly comment afterward, due to either time constraints or they would only be adding noise themselves. So, it's kind of a harsh indictment of ourselves to say that we've killed a thread because no one has replied, while the truth may be all together something else. It seems to me that this is another indication of when our negative introject has reared its head.
 

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