Can we talk about Andrew Tate

Looks like not only their house has been raided by DIICOT again, the Tates are now back under a house arrest and they're among six people arrested due to the new charges that popped up. The charges may be new, but they can be about crimes that were committed before their initial arrest in 2022, none of the sources clarify this.

www.theguardian.com

Romanian court places Andrew Tate under house arrest for 30 days

Social media influencer and brother among six detained for crimes including trafficking and sexual exploitation of minors
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I watched Candace's latest yesterday, and noticed that someone on the comments had said that her husband is a good friend of the Tates. Would that be why she can be so smart about many topics, yet so adamant about defending these two bullies?


Sometimes she is quite convincing. But when you think about the facts (like how they lied about dates, how easy is to make a vulnerable person "retract" from a court case, etc.), and more than anything what THEY themselves have said and done, I just can't understand why she can be so wrong about this one. And her idea that "the system"/Matrix is against them is just wrong. We're talking about the Romanian court system, not the US govt. going after them.

Anyway, a bit disappointed in Candace here.
 
So Candace Owens participated on the Tim Fool podcast , a while ago , Link, ( and spoke in regards to the Steven Crowder issue w/ the Daily wire ) , some time passes and Candace is booted from the Daily wire , which is followed by the later doing some sly legal shenanigans in order to avoid loss of face on public media when Candace Owens proposes a public debate. Media , in the interwebs or otherwise is subjected to all the usual "suspects" , at best it seems that Candace is out of her depth and being pushed around.
 
Beau said:
Same for me. It may be a bit of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend," since the Tates are anti-globalist. I was disappointed when Tucker interviewed him too. Not enough discernment from either of them.
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Yep, I will third that one.

I suppose her husband being a close friend of these two guys plays a big role, she wants to believe in their goodness because it reflects back on to her choice of a husband, that is.. she thinks it speaks about her. We may have a real good talent seeing and discerning through the lies of others, but it's the lies we want to believe that become our demise, that become imposible to navigate, or painfully difficult. That's true of all of us, but it also explains things with Tucker, Trump, RFK, JBP, Owens and so many others, it's probably also one of the big reasons why so many people follow Tate out there despite all this information.

A legal case, in any other circumstance, would at the very least make someone stop and question.
 
I think there is an us vs them mentality and with this mentality comes a wide net of what one accepts overlooks and allows in if there are two sides there not much room for nuance if there are 20 sides people can be more specific and discerning.

Also Candice runs a business that largely relies on views and clicks thus the Tates (us) garner a lot of views and are better than (them) in the us point of view.

I’m sure Candice has bills, family to feed and what have you … the Tates are good for business for the (us) side.

I’m not defending or taking sides just bring a reality of the dynamic to the table

Also people change over time and move up and down the morality scale I mean I would surmise she hasn’t done the 4th way work crystallized but I don’t know her personally just what I see and hear
 
Chu said:
Anyway, a bit disappointed in Candace here.
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Well, it's a pattern with her. She has flirted with the idea of a flat earth and questioned the existence of dinosaurs. She's a good example of what can happen when people become suddenly aware of 'conspiracies' and bite off more than they can properly digest.
 
Chu said:
I watched Candace's latest yesterday, and noticed that someone on the comments had said that her husband is a good friend of the Tates. Would that be why she can be so smart about many topics, yet so adamant about defending these two bullies?
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I didn't know about Candace's husband's connection to Tate, but it didn't take me a lot of snooping around to find it.

Here's an X thread that summarises the connection, as well as Tate's criminal activities in general. It contains a number of videos demonstrating that Candace defending the Tates may not just be a severe case of wilful blindness, but premeditated attempt to cover up Tate's criminal activities. According to the author, Candace met Tate through her husband, George Farmer, back in 2019, and Farmer had known Tate for years prior to that. I wouldn't be shocked at all if Farmer had some dodgy dealings with the Tates and Candace's support for Andrew Tate was some kind of a vailed attempt to protect her husband.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1825770708506653092

A couple of more noteworthy quotes form the posts in the thread:

"Candace along with Tate repeat over & over that Tate stopped having anything to do with pornography 10 years ago (that would make it 2013). This is provably false."
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During the episode Candace literally reads out text messages between the victim & one of the men where they're discussing the fact she's a minor.Most shockingly one of the men, Keith Fox, was actually found guilty & is serving a 24 year prison sentence for sexually abusing this victim when she was a minor & ANOTHER minor. There is no doubt Fox knew the victim was a minor. Candace beeps out Keith Fox's name so people can't look him up to realise her entire premise is a lie.
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To this day Candace Owens has never disclosed the nature of her husband George Farmer's relationship with Andrew Tate. It invites many questions. Most obviously... Why would someone who comes from British nobility be floating in the same circles as a pimp from Luton? There's no doubt Candace Owens is lying on behalf of & protecting (at the very least) Andrew Tate.
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Based on the evidence showed in the thread, what Candace is doing is not merely subconscious selection and substitution of data, it's deliberate editing of videos to obfuscate the truth. She knows exactly what she's doing and what I would be really interested to know why she's doing it. Unedited videos are shown next to Candace's edits, and I've seen these videos in other contexts before. It's really weird she chose to manipulate videos that widely circulate on the internet. That's what the BBC and CNN do -while also assuming the public is too dumb to check for themselves.

As Aba and Preach mention in this video on Tate, when such bodies as DIICOT or FBI do their investigation, it takes years to press charges. But when they eventually do press them, a lot of people go down with the original suspects. At this point I will not be entirely surprised if Farmer is on the list in some capacity. Even if it's in connection to the Tates's other activities, such as casinos. At 3:24 of the Aba & Preach video there's a conference call between Andrew Tate and a few other men. The authors say one of them is Candace's husband. I see some resemblance, but I'm not entirely sure this really is George Farmer.

The relevant part of the video starts here:


In the same video, the authors also compiled quotes by both Tate brothers that refer to having sexual interactions with very young girls. They normally mention the age of 16, but this could just be because that's the legal age of consent and mentioning anything younger is admitting to committing a crime.

The compilation also contains a video that indicates the age of one of Andrew's girlfriends where she states the time she got into a relationship with Andrew. Simple maths points towards the age of 14-15. Tate was a grown-up at the time.

You can watch this section from here:


I have read lots of replies by the Tate fans under videos accusing Andrew and Tristan of pedophilia where they claim they're not pedophiles, they just like young girls who are unspoiled by other men and the society. Their argument is usually based on the fact that pedophilia is only limited to small children. Technically, they're right, pedophilia does refer to sexual attraction to prepubescent children, usually below the age of 13. But there are related disorders that are all lumped under the term pedophilia:
  • Hebephilia is the strong, persistent sexual interest by adults in pubescent children who are in early adolescence, typically ages 11–14
  • Ephebophilia is the primary sexual interest in mid-to-late adolescents, generally ages 15 to 19.
So technically speaking, the Tates are ephebophiles, but they won't get out of it on a technicality. In public awareness pedophilia has become an umbrella term that covers all three deviations. So no, it's not just a preference. It's a deviancy and there's a medical term that describes it. Even if the general public doesn't use the term correctly it's still sick. And it's interesting that Mrs "independent Journalist" Candace Owens failed to connect those dots. As the C's said, there's a program for everyone.

I'll finish off with an unrelated but interesting bit of X info that Candace's father-in-law is an Israel supported. He recently posted an entire thread on X starting with: "In view of public comments from a high-profile member of my family, I want to put my own views on antisemitism and Israel’s current military campaign in Gaza on public record." That family member is probably Candace. Should you decide to read through Lord Farmer's thread, do have a barf bag handy, he's a die-hard Israhell apologist. I guess family dinner convos are a lot of fun for Candace:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1825512974942879893
 
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Ant22 said:
So technically speaking, the Tates are ephebophiles, but they won't get out of it on a technicality. In public awareness pedophilia has become an umbrella term that covers all three deviations. So no, it's not just a preference. It's a deviancy and there's a medical term that describes it. Even if the general public doesn't use the term correctly it's still sick. And it's interesting that Mrs "independent Journalist" Candace Owens failed to connect those dots. As the C's said, there's a program for everyone.
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Even that technicality is indicative of a pathology, I think, or even of a tendency to only get involved only with impressionable, innocent and naive girls who are easy to subdue, it speaks of someone who needs to feel powerful and in charge by continuously bullying the same type of person.
 
Beau said:
I saw a few people in the comments saying that. If it's supposed to be satire, he has no clue how to tell a joke.
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Yeah, he's pretty much as funny as haemorrhoids. I sometimes check up on his case out of curiosity and it looks like DIICOT has recently faced a setback as a court in Romania ruled that the indictment against the Tates contains some irregularities, and some of the evidence gathered against them must be removed. I do hope they don't get out of this on a technicality.

www.independent.co.uk

Andrew Tate claims ‘monumental victory’ in human trafficking trial

Prosecutors have been given five days to decide if they will withdraw the case
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The court ruled for the removal of several pieces of evidence from the case file, including statements given by two main alleged victims and witness testimonies from the Tate brothers, both of which it deemed inadmissible.

The court also said it found inconsistencies in the indictment file, including improper descriptions of the acts committed by the female suspects, missing details on the seizure of assets as well as prosecutors’ failure to properly explain the charges against Tate to one of the alleged victims.
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If it's really so difficult to lock him up for human trafficking then maybe they should do an 'Al Capone' on him and bring him down for tax fraud? He's repeatedly boasted being guilty of that too and somehow I don't think he lied.

While they remain under judicial control and house arrest, apparently certain restrictions have been lifted. This quote from their spokesperson caught my attention:

“The brothers’ spokesman , Mateea Petrescu, said that the judge also lifted certain restrictions regarding the brothers’ communication with alleged victims in the new case. They are free to meet and communicate with these alleged victims based on the close relationships they share and the children they have together,” she said, adding they “vehemently deny all allegations” against them.
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In multiple interviews Tristan complained about the court not allowing him to see his daughter, but he conveniently failed to mention that the mother of the child was part of the case against him as his victim. And it is rather unlikely for someone to be legally considered a victim unless they press charges or report abuse. Exceptions include murder, or statutory rape, so unless she was a minor at the time she was involved with him he certainly isn't the generous provider and protector he claims he is:

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1,2 Mio. Aufrufe · 24.563 Reaktionen | Tristan BANNED from Seeing Daughter #Fatherhood #daughter #marriage | DNG Comics

Tristan BANNED from Seeing Daughter #Fatherhood #daughter #marriage.
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Seriously, these clowns are a goldmine of case studies on how to manipulate the truth to make it seem like whatever you want it to be. And they sure sound convincing. If it wasn't for trouble with the law and foul mouth they'd make a career in politics.
 
I’ll also add that I get the impression I’ve been a tad triggered by the Tates and making my feelings known on this thread - perhaps a tad too strongly. There happen to be a few Tate fans in my social circle and I guess I’ve been enjoying a bit of a ranty decompression. I’ll do my best to control that :halo:
 
Source: Andrew Tate's $50 per month platform hacked; At least 600 Dutch people's data leaked

Wednesday, 27 November 2024 - 14:30

Andrew Tate's $50 per month platform hacked; At least 600 Dutch people's data leaked​


American influencer Andrew Tate’s “educational platform” for which members pay 50 dollars a month has been hacked. The data and private chat messages of hundreds of thousands of members were leaked. That includes at least 600 Dutch people, RTL Nieuws reported [in Dutch] after investigating the hack.

An unknown group of “hacktivists” broke into The Real World - Tate’s platform that promises insight into entrepreneurship and financial freedom, but mostly consists of Tat spouting and members sharing hatred against women, feminists, and the LGBTQIA+ community. The hackers immediately published the data they accessed, including usernames, email addresses, and members’ public and private chat messages. According to the hackers, the platform was “laughably unsafe.”

The fact that email addresses are included in the leak is very sensitive. Many people use a fake name or nickname when interacting with anything Tate-related because they don’t want their real identity connected to such a controversial figure, according to RTL.

The broadcaster found around 600 Dutch email addresses ending in .nl. The actual number of Dutch users is likely much higher because many people also use international emails like Gmail and Outlook. Among the .nl email addresses are multiple students who used their university or college email to sign up. Several large companies are also on the list.

The leaked chat messages involve a lot of insults to women and young men giving each other relationship advice, mostly coming down to them dumping their girlfriends to focus on making money, according to RTL. There is also a lot of advice on which cryptocurrencies to buy.

In addition to leaking the data, the hackers flooded the chat rooms with pride, transgender, and feminist emojis. An AI-generated image of Tate wearing a rainbow flag is also widely shared.

Tate is a self-proclaimed misogynist known for claiming that women are “naturally lazy” and can’t be independent, and that depression and mental illness are fabrications to “justify the failures” of lazy people who have to try harder “to make themselves happy.” His audience mainly consists of boys and young men.

At the end of last year, the Romanian authorities arrested Tate and his brother Tristan on suspicion of human trafficking, rape, and forming a criminal organization aimed at sexually exploiting women. The British authorities also suspect the brothers of sexual abuse.
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