Canine Bone Cancer

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Hi voyageur. So sorry to hear about Jack`s troubles. We have an old girl of almost 15 years. Last spring she had a hard time just getting up and walking. We had to carry her outside for her to relieve herself. We really thought we were going to loose Trixie. She stopped eating. We did some research on the raw meat diet.( Dr Becker/Dr. Mercola`s website). I talked to a local dog nutritionist that also sells a variety of raw meats for animals. I learned a lot. I was definitely feeding our dogs too many carbs. Dogs are meant to eat raw meat. That`s their diet in the wild. They need the raw bones, organs, fat, protein. Carbs are bad for them too! I was feeding our dogs Organix dry food thinking it was good organic food. Well, after feeding Trixie raw meat for a couple days she was up and walking on her own. She regained muscle mass and was running around in a week.

Our furkids are our loyal companions that love us unconditionally. I wish you and Jack both comfort. :hug:
Nancy
 
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Edit: I just want to add, that what happened with Trixie was a year ago this past Spring. She has definitely slowed down, good days and not so good, but she seems to be comfortable. We also noticed that before we started her on the raw food diet, her bones felt brittle around her ribcage. That all has gone away.

I hope the raw food diet can heal Jack. :)
 
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Jack is holding his own today - he had a little visitor pup who perked him up.

Nancy2feathers said:
I hope the raw food diet can heal Jack. :)

Us too. We are all going just one day at a time. Very happy for your Trixie, 15 yrs old! :)

Laura said:
The best way I found to administer medicines that are nasty tasting is to put a can of sardines with oil in the blender, put the medicine in there, blend it, and put it in a feeding syringe and squirt it down. Of course, that was for a pup that wasn't eating. So if your guy is eating, maybe just mixing with the sardines is enough. It really covers the taste of about anything and the fish and oil is an added bonus.

This is excellent advise - he is eating, so thankfully not as hard. It is just amazing how they can suss out the smallest foreign thing in their food and flip it out onto the floor.

Forrestdeva said:
My heart goes out to you about Jack. Be careful about using DMSO as it is a chemical accelerant, meaning if Jack comes into contact with any chemicals/poisons it will be vastly absorbed into his skin.
Because DMSO increases the rate of absorption of some compounds through organic tissues, including skin, be careful with what he comes into contact with, home/lawn pesticides...etc. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimethyl_sulfoxide

Thank you, well noted and nothing is ever used around our place like this, yet will be careful if i take him out to unknown places.

Looked into the person who's dog has cancer and what they use stated in a prior post. From what can be gathered, Goats milk has been used by them (they rescue animals) for a long time with good results. The Frankincense is another matter and it was said that they discovered this from an old lady in the next valley over, so no scientific evidence, yet one never knows. Apparently, 6 drops is used once a day. A small bottle cost about $90.00 and only lasts 5 or so days.

Here is the book he wrote, i'm going to buy a copy to read.

_http://www.amazon.com/My-Hope-Butch-Medical-Wonder/dp/1592994377

My Hope Butch: The Furry Medical Wonder

Given a death sentence by the medical world on two separate occasions, Dave and Franzi's fourteen-year-old yellow Labrador Retriever Butch continues to walk the earth through the combined powers of alternative medical practices and traditional western medicine. Butch was born in Switzerland where he spent his puppyhood before his humans decided to cross the ocean and start a new life in the Canadian Rockies. His incredible talent for getting into mischief is the direct result of Dave and Franzi's inability to show him who's boss, and ultimately, Butch ends up ruling the house. Butch's trials and tribulations include a bout with poisoning, a malignant cancerous tumor, and a massively enlarged heart. It is through these various ordeals that Butch teaches his humans the true meaning of hope, persistence, and unconditional love. Often humorous, with many heart-wrenching moments, the uplifting story of My Hope Butch will have the reader rooting and cheering for the underdog canine and his ongoing quest for an extra bone.

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You can buy boswellia crystals on amazon fairly inexpensively and pound it into powder and incorporate it into the pup's food. No need to get the expensive drops.
 
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Laura said:
You can buy boswellia crystals on amazon fairly inexpensively and pound it into powder and incorporate it into the pup's food. No need to get the expensive drops.

Yes, waiting for boswelia now in the mail - thanks.
 
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Voyageur, because of the way you are posting about the frankincense, I'm not sure that you know that it is another name for boswellia?

If you do know this, my pardon. :)
 
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voyageur, I have a book called All You Ever Wanted to Know About Herbs for Pets by Mary L. Wulff- Tilford & Gregory L. Tilford [ISBN: 1-889540-64-1 copyright edition 1999] which I got for 10.00 at a used bookstore in WA.

With the information given by Dr. Karen Becker (acclaimed holistic veterinarian), the many books (two of which were my main sources, and listed here), and the use of FES, I was able to assist my best friend, Butch, to reclaim health from pancreatitis.

Additionally, I gathered and applied information from a holistically oriented book titled Homeopathic Care for Cats & Dogs by Don Hamilton, DMV. This is a 1999 revised edition with ISBN : 978-1-55643-935-3, which I was fortunate enough to grab at a discount of 75% off during a trip to a holistic fair in PA a year before he was ill.

The three FES (Flower Essences - these can typically be found in organic foods stores) I used were as follows: Love-lies-Bleeding (used for a ..."wounded or deeply suffering animal which may not live..."); Penstemon (used for "...illness or trauma, gives inner strength during adverse circumstances..."; and Self-Heal (used to "...add to almost any combination, and to stimulate inner healing forces of an animal, awaken their vitality and will to live..."). Likewise, I also took one to help calm myself so as to make sure his environment and those with whom he came in contact were as calming and harmonious as possible.

Dr. Karen Becker/Dr. Mercola, two extraordinary physicians have developed a product called Ubiquinol (Enhanced CoQ10) that I still give Butch, in addition to their Complete Probiotics formula.

I am also looking at adding their liver and kidney support formula to his current raw meat diet (gradually changed him over to this, in light of what Dr. Becker and Laura have given with regards to the benefits of a raw diet). His diet now consists of revolving portions of turkey, chicken, beef, sardines, pork (all without bones, although bones may be recommended for dogs); all of these being pre-ground with some purified water and/or cut into small pieces. Also, he enjoys a bit of the bone broth I make up for my partner and I, added occasionally onto it, too.

Incidentally, the so-called 'holistic vet' we saw in our area (in my opinion, one who falsely claims to offer a genuinely holistic approach to pet health) was of little help overall, insofar as she was very unwilling to carry on bi-directional dialogue with me without my first making an appointment and paying in advance (of course, having done a bit of homework beforehand, prior to making monetary commitments, I was looking to discover the scope of her knowledge and spectrum of remedial care offerings).

Long story short, it took approximately 7 months for a complete recovery, hinging on my utilization and application of gathered knowledge, in order to help Butch heal up (knock on wood, he's doing well and has yet to backslide into re-occurrence symptoms of pancreatitis. This is the part where I may, perhaps, allow myself to be given a pat on the back because, according to the "holistic vet" mentioned above, the best case prognosis suggested a recovery time of between 6-12 months (and this is given with the qualification that a relapse can and often does recur again after "recovery"). So, after all, taking on the role of 'self-doctor-healer' with very limited $ resources was, although, somewhat of a gamble, a successful decision (so far, and, again, with a knock on wood).

I realize this may not be so attractive to others, especially depending on the severity of the health issue(s) involved. Each must do what one feels is right, taking the path which seems best, especially with regard to a potential multitude of factors and circumstances that, of course, vary from individual to individual.

Here is some information from the book titled All You Ever Wanted to Know About Herbs for Pets below, which may be of assistance in your care of Jack (bolding for emphasis, mine):

On page 272, I found some talk on cancer and corresponding herbal therapies (there is even a tonic support formula for animals with cancer on p. 274, which I'll include).

Several diet programs have been designed to strengthen and support animals with cancer. Many involve foods that are rich in fiber and antioxidant compounds. Intensive vitamin, mineral, and other supplemental therapies are often employed as well. These typically include vitamins A, B complex, C, and E, as well as selenium, iron, co-enzyme Q10 (CoQ10), EFAs, digestive enzymes, and dimethylglycine.

On page 273, Herbal therapies:
Herbs can play a important role in supporting the body in its effort to rid itself of cancer. Herbal therapies focus on tonic support of organs and systems that have special significance in the fight. Because cancer is so variable, it's difficult to generalize an herbal approach. Every case of cancer is different, as are the metabolic requirements of each animal who has cancer. But a good starting point for herbal treatment of all animals with cancer is to support the liver, kidneys, and lymphatic system-the body's waste filtering and elimination systems. By helping the body cleanse itself, the immune system is less encumbered with cleanup chores and better able to fight cancer. The infamous Essiac and Hoxey formulas were designed for this purpose. Although the formulas for both have likely been changed several times over the years, each contains an array of alternative and cholagogue herbs that are targeted toward cleaning the blood, improving digestion, and eliminating waste (primarily via the digestive tract).

[...]

Red clover is at the top of our list of of anti-cancer herbs because it inhibits the activities of carcinogenic compounds, helps improve blood structure, and strengthens lymphatic functions that area crucial in cleansing cell tissues throughout the body. It also contains sterol constituents that are believed to inhibit the production of blood vessels that supply and support newly formed tumors.

[...]

Burdock and dandelion root provide gentle stimulation to the liver, thus improving digestion and the removal of waste. These herbs do not cause added strain upon the filtering organs, and therefore they can be used continuously over a long period. In situations where toxic build up of systemic waste must be eliminated quickly in order to liberate the immune system, yellow dock serves as a much stronger liver stimulant and in fact is known as a traditional remedy for heavy metal toxicity (it is also a laxative). Milk thistle may be helpful for protecting the liver against harmful by-products of the cancer or from damage that may result after protracted drug therapies.

Page 274:

To help remove toxic waste, slippery elm, marshmallow, flaxseed, and plantain serve as useful devices for lubricating, protecting, and reducing inflammation of mucous membranes throughout the urinary and digestive tracts. If poor liver function has caused chronic constipation, frequent small doses of turkey rhubarb tincture (0.25 milliliters per 30 pounds of the animal's body weight, three times daily) serve as an effective laxative. It should be limited to as-needed, short term use because it can cause diarrhea, intestinal cramping, and other discomforts.

Immunostimulant herbs may also help boost your companion's immune response to the cancer. Astragalus is especially well suited for this purpose because it adds energy-boosting adaptogenic qualities to its immunostimulant properties in cancer-debilitated animals. Garlic is another excellent immune system tonic to consider. While boosting production of killer T cells and other immune system components, it has also been shown to trigger enzyme responses that help break down the waste materials before they enter the blood stream.

A Tonic Support Formula for Animals with Cancer
Combine the following low-alcohol (glycerin) herb tinctures:

2 parts Red Clover
1 part Astragalus
1 part Dandelion
1 part Garlic

This formula can be fed continuously over a long period: 0.5 milliliters per 20 pounds of the animals body weight, three times daily. If constipation is part of your animal's problem, try adding 2 parts marshmallow to the formula. If this fails to bring results, add 1 part yellow dock. If that doesn't work, try substituting the yellow dock with turkey rhubarb. If liver damage is evident or a threat, twice daily doses of milk thistle may be fed in addition to this formula to help repair and protect the liver. A standardized milk thistle preparation that contains at least 70 percent silymarin constituents is best for repairing an already damaged liver.


I hope what I have dug up and am giving may possibly be helpful with respect to care of Jack and his recovery (perhaps you may have even discovered all of the above, and have found a knowledgeable, holistic vet who is very helpful in guiding you and Jack through this ordeal).

As always, of course, please choose to do what seems appropriate and best, given all the factors involved (the path I took that, thankfully, worked out for Butch may not be as applicable to others' contexts)...

Please keep us all updated with how Jack is doing! :hug2:
 
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Nienna said:
Voyageur, because of the way you are posting about the frankincense, I'm not sure that you know that it is another name for boswellia?

If you do know this, my pardon. :)

You are absolutely correct Nienna, had no idea, nor did i ever look it up - thank you!

NinaMosi said:
I hope what I have dug up and am giving may possibly be helpful with respect to care of Jack and his recovery (perhaps you may have even discovered all of the above, and have found a knowledgeable, holistic vet who is very helpful in guiding you and Jack through this ordeal).

As always, of course, please choose to do what seems appropriate and best, given all the factors involved (the path I took that, thankfully, worked out for Butch may not be as applicable to others' contexts)...

Please keep us all updated with how Jack is doing! :hug2:

Don't know how to thank you enough for the time given to this, NinaMosi. :)

With the information given by Dr. Karen Becker (acclaimed holistic veterinarian), the many books (two of which were my main sources, and listed here), and the use of FES, I was able to assist my best friend, Butch, to reclaim health from pancreatitis.

So very happy about this and will dig into what you have provided.

I can report on a couple of things. He made the switch to Salmon from the raw food Bison - he was jumping at the prospect of eating tonight, yet once the fish was objectively the main staple, his gusto diminished. :( Despite the emotion of dread for him all of a sudden stopping his eating, he continued on and ate it all (i added some bacon fat ;)) - so thinking of adjusting/blending the rawfood mix. The biggest aspect has been his steady improvement energetically and physically. He is saddened by not having the run of the place, yet is only on half the medication, which could be lowered still or even eliminated, yet am reluctant to do so. He was limping so badly that he held his paw flexed inward and he barely used it, and now, although still limping (sometimes not even pronounced), he flexes it out and bares weight on it. Even greater in aspect is that he sees in himself improvement and it shines all around on his psychological bearing.

I am still waiting for some things to arrive for his diet and possibly things just mentioned by NinaMosi will be tried, too. One concern is that he is urinating regularly, yet has not had a bowl movement with the rawfood (it is possible i've missed a deposit on the grass) - so am thinking that the rawfood can't be so efficient that he burns it up, yet he is not in discomfort, nor blotted? We at home are all sharing his care around the clock, and the others know to watch for this.

It was noted in another thread, Joe's response to Meloxicam - which is worth remembering based on a specific diagnosis.

Anyway, one day at a time and am very surprised in the short term at how he is responding. :)

Thank you all so much for the encouragement and advise.
 
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Just wondering whether an animal osteopath could bring some relief, voyageur?. FWIW.

I have just switched to a variety of meats for my dog. She now gets lamb, beef, duck and so on; meat, bone, green tripe, lung, kidney, hart from different animals all ground together. I also put a tiny bit of Celtic salt in her water.
The vet visited us yesterday and she was amazed at my dog and how well she looked and how enthusiastic she was when she greeted the vet.

I am glad to hear that your dog is doing better. :)
 
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voyageur, Dr. Karen Becker does has several informational videos that she has made in regards to concerns most have with raw diets for cats and dogs on her site. I'll put a link in to it for more info in regards to what you have stated as a concern over it with Jack, which might shed some light and prove helpful.


Dr. Becker shares a wealth of knowledge in her video library concerning a wide range of ailments, topics, and concerns we as guardians have for our companion friends/helpers. I have personally gained so much knowledge learning what things I could do from her videos in order to help Butch. I hope they prove to be as helpful for you and Jack.

This will take you directly into her video library.
 
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voyageur said:
I am still waiting for some things to arrive for his diet and possibly things just mentioned by NinaMosi will be tried, too. One concern is that he is urinating regularly, yet has not had a bowl movement with the rawfood (it is possible i've missed a deposit on the grass) - so am thinking that the rawfood can't be so efficient that he burns it up, yet he is not in discomfort, nor blotted? We at home are all sharing his care around the clock, and the others know to watch for this.

voyageur, hi, just thought I would mention that based on speaking and interacting with those 2D stewards/parents whom have switched their furkids (love that, Guardian! thx! :P ) over to a raw diet, it is commonly known that their kids deposit amounts decrease significantly because their raw diet gives them much cleaner "fuel" to "burn." Thus, if Jack's deposits are smaller and/or more difficult to locate, it may be because his fuel is now of a higher grade (octane?), and his system is already responding accordingly...so, this could be a good thing, then, in that case ! :)
 
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Leòmhann said:
voyageur said:
have switched their furkids (love that, Guardian! thx! :P ) over to a raw diet, it is commonly known that their kids deposit amounts decrease significantly because their raw diet gives them much cleaner "fuel" to "burn."

I can confirm that! Lilly's poop went down to about a quarter of what it had been when I switched her over. Bryn has had raw meat since the day I got him, so I don't have a direct comparison, but he does make what I would call very "dainty" poohs for a 60lb dog. Usually 2 to 3 finger sized doodies a couple of times a day.

Certainly NOT the yard bombs we used to get when dogs of similar size were eating commercial foods.

I'm so glad to hear Jack is doing a little better!


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voyageur, I found something else that may be very helpful for jack, Joint Support for Pets. It has an active ingredient of Bromelain in it, which is used for killing cancer cells. Here is an article that talks about it, Bromelain.

Give Jack an extra :hug2:
 
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NinaMosi said:
voyageur, Dr. Karen Becker does has several informational videos that she has made in regards to concerns most have with raw diets for cats and dogs on her site. I'll put a link in to it for more info in regards to what you have stated as a concern over it with Jack, which might shed some light and prove helpful.


Dr. Becker shares a wealth of knowledge in her video library concerning a wide range of ailments, topics, and concerns we as guardians have for our companion friends/helpers. I have personally gained so much knowledge learning what things I could do from her videos in order to help Butch. I hope they prove to be as helpful for you and Jack.

This will take you directly into her video library.

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NinaMosi said:
voyageur, Dr. Karen Becker does has several informational videos that she has made in regards to concerns most have with raw diets for cats and dogs on her site. I'll put a link in to it for more info in regards to what you have stated as a concern over it with Jack, which might shed some light and prove helpful.

Dr. Becker shares a wealth of knowledge in her video library concerning a wide range of ailments, topics, and concerns we as guardians have for our companion friends/helpers. I have personally gained so much knowledge learning what things I could do from her videos in order to help Butch. I hope they prove to be as helpful for you and Jack.

This will take you directly into her video library.

Thank you kindly again for the information, will sit down and review the library and information and try and soak it up. :hug: from Jack and I

Leòmhann said:
voyageur said:
I am still waiting for some things to arrive for his diet and possibly things just mentioned by NinaMosi will be tried, too. One concern is that he is urinating regularly, yet has not had a bowl movement with the rawfood (it is possible i've missed a deposit on the grass) - so am thinking that the rawfood can't be so efficient that he burns it up, yet he is not in discomfort, nor blotted? We at home are all sharing his care around the clock, and the others know to watch for this.

voyageur, hi, just thought I would mention that based on speaking and interacting with those 2D stewards/parents whom have switched their furkids (love that, Guardian! thx! :P ) over to a raw diet, it is commonly known that their kids deposit amounts decrease significantly because their raw diet gives them much cleaner "fuel" to "burn." Thus, if Jack's deposits are smaller and/or more difficult to locate, it may be because his fuel is now of a higher grade (octane?), and his system is already responding accordingly...so, this could be a good thing, then, in that case ! :)

Just to report that yesterday morning after making the prior post of concern, i followed him around and he made a good organic deposit in the tall grasses. :thup: Things are moving...

Guardian said:
I can confirm that! Lilly's poop went down to about a quarter of what it had been when I switched her over. Bryn has had raw meat since the day I got him, so I don't have a direct comparison, but he does make what I would call very "dainty" poohs for a 60lb dog. Usually 2 to 3 finger sized doodies a couple of times a day.

Certainly NOT the yard bombs we used to get when dogs of similar size were eating commercial foods.

I'm so glad to hear Jack is doing a little better!


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Indeed, it was not a "yard bomb", a little better than "dainty" though. :)

Thanks from Jack!

I'm trying to be objective of the information and facts, yet i don't discount what HE's Uni said concerning his bone not being happy and bone pathology in cases like Cancer, is very troubling. It is remarkable that his sift has gone from completely lame to walking under his own determination (not on the ramp or stair - i hold his body harness to remove the impact from his leg), and yet i know there is discomfort, he will stand on it much longer now, yet pulls it off the ground once in awhile while standing. He also seems to know his limitations and after making, lets say fertilizing deposits, he wants to come back in and rest.

Another thing as we go day by day is his greater separation anxiety noticed; and we have managed to avoid separating from him generally, yet this is going to happen.

Onward we all go.
 
voyageur said:
Another thing as we go day by day is his greater separation anxiety noticed; and we have managed to avoid separating from him generally, yet this is going to happen.

voyageur, I understand, Butch at times seemed to know how much it pained my partner and I to see and know how ill he was. And, indeed, at times he expressed a wish to separate himself from us in an effort to make it less painful for us while, at other times, he showed us he really needed to have us just sit near him, to know we were watching, to hear us softly talk to him. Giving him a light touch to his fur seemed to greatly comfort him, instilling reassurance and reaffirmation we were not giving up on him; that we were with him and supporting him every day, each step of the way.

I think our fur-kids need to know, in some way, that we, as parents/friends, still need them, and, regardless, remain steadfast in helping them to stay or go, whatever their mission/destiny profile calls for, whatever they need, and when they need it (with a gentle touch, and a whispered "Love you" with a kiss).

It seems they need to realize our consistent support, our steadfastness, in order to make the appropriate decision: to either pass on or to fight, survive, and recover. Either way, it seems important, even crucial, to let them know they are not just needed but wanted by us, that they are valued and respected by virtue of who they are, within themselves, and not as a means toward some end, like comfort, security, etc.

I agree -- separating from Jack might show, may give him the signal that he is not needed or wanted any longer and therefore that he should (unnecessarily) give up (despite what his consciousness profile calls for).

Please remain strong, the two of you (and the family too), and thank you for the updates of how both you (together with your family) and Jack are doing during this difficult time--I look forward to hearing about your continuing journey on how you are all doing. :hug2: :love:

[P.S.--I have always wanted a dog...and, oddly or interesting enough, have told myself I would name him/her Jack despite gender...]
 

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