The Living Force
Arrived today in the post - much gratitude to everyone at RPP, truly a gift
I had similar reactions - had to put it down for a little while as it was indigestible in the state I was in but will be returning to it. Whenever I read about psychopathy, I get to thinking how I sound like a sub-criminal Authoritarian follower type of sorts.Mechanic said:I just finished this book and I must say that it was one of the hardest reads I've done so far. I just wanted to put it away and never look at it again while reading most of it. The filth and debasement of women he describes triggered in me a strong revulsion and sometimes even made me feel sick.
I'll save this little number for when I finish Caricature of Love.Laura said:Yes, it is a hard read. "Revulsion" is the same thing I felt.
I would suggest "The Education of Julius Caesar" by Arthur D. Kahn next.
Laura said:NOTE: These posts are split from another topic in where the nature of personal sexual predation was being discussed. I had mentioned that the poster (and those commenting) should read Cleckley's "Caricature of Love" which is no longer available except in very pricey old copies. To help out, the book was scanned and uploaded and from this point, the discussion was devoted to it and deserves to be available to a wider audience so it has been moved to a public area of the forum. This thread begins with the announcement that the book is now available.
AI has fixed up the book for ya'll:
I HIGHLY recommend that everyone read this book not for the issues of homosexuality, but for the historical review of how women have been degraded. The only homosexuals Cleckley had to study were those who were psychiatric patients. What he was really seeing, and probably didn't realize, was the sexual attitude of the psychopath and how it has completely ponerized society and the relations between men and women. VERY important work.Here's a link to the PDF for Caricature of Love. I couldn't get it smaller than 25 mb, so if someone can do so, please go ahead. Also, it's on mediafire, so if someone can upload it to a more stable place, that'd be cool too!
I see it slightly differently. Our culture is pathological, and the rampant promiscuity is also pathological. You could just as easily say that Cleckley's view on murder is 'cultural'. Just because something is cultural, doesn't mean it is pathological. That said, even if there exists a non-pathological form of promiscuity, I still don't think that would get us off the hook. The quality of our promiscuity is pathological. As for groups you mention above, are you saying that the homosexuals weren't that promiscuous, or that the heterosexuals were just as promiscuous? I think that's an important distinction. It might show that things have simply gotten worse since Cleckley's time. (I'd say they have. Nowadays, it's 'normal' to be promiscuous.)Tumble said:For a start, his idea of promiscuity is cultural, and our culture is pathological. To me this is another of those mirrors of Truth – like normal sex and the “Law of One” where the image we have been told to see is in reverse of what is actually life-giving and creative. For me, the jury is out until I see so-called promiscuity in the context of a healthy sexuality within a non-ponerised community. I am mindful of the Oneida community experiment as per John Humphrey Noyes here. My reluctance to accept Cleckley's view in this instance is based on the fact that I worked alongside homosexuals of both sexes in my professional life. Almost to an individual, these people were kind, considerate, fun-loving and loyal. In my observation, they were no more promiscuous and persuasive than the heterosexuals in the same teams. In fact, one or two of the alleged heterosexuals were locked up for impropriety. There is more to homosexuality than dear Harvey Cleckley was able to see.
If I'm understanding you correctly, what makes you think homosexuality has anything to do with spirituality? It's a totally natural phenomenon in the animal kingdom. On the other hand, you don't see in other animals the type of paraphilias found in humans (to my knowledge).I'd like to state very clearly my current opinion about homosexuality and other so called perversions. We do not live in a healthy world, not physically nor psychically, and certainly not spiritually.
Hi Tumble. Why do you think that Karezza establishes some sort of connection to higher densities? My understanding is that it can promote a longer-lasting emotional bond, but I doubt it will result in any form of 'ascension', except in the sense that a stronger couple will grow faster and better.Tumble said:But stated clearly, I would like to know if the Karezza Manoeuvre during a homosexual union, sets up my theorised dipolic bio-electric antenna, which then enables the participants to access 4th or 6th density consciousness as it appears to do in heterosexuals.
Did you try any of the one's at the link below? The first one downloaded and opened.Anthony said:I'm having trouble opening this file.
Does anyone have a different link?
7.2. The Caricature of Love
The Caricature of Love (thread) discusses distortions or "caricatures" of love and sexuality. Though written without the knowledge of ponerology (#5.3), it shows the mindset and influence of pathological characters. The thread provides some much-needed context and describes the significance of this book. This post links to a free PDF download.