Civil War in Ukraine: Western Empire vs Russia
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From the link I posted, it seems they will try. I am not sure they desist altogether because they loose a few pawns in the Middle East. For the Russian Federation there is another option than getting Western-ized, let's call it China-seized. For more on that there is a thread in the Russian section http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,39613.0.html One could imagine that if the West can't have Russia their way, they will try to make sure the Russia Federation can't have their country their way either. One way would be to encourage China in the Far East, although I admit that it does not appear US-China relations are getting any warmer.Niall said:
angelburst29
The Living Force
A transmission tower has been damaged by an explosive device - power line feeding electricity to Crimea. Prior, back on October 6, unidentified attackers damaged the tower of Ukraine’s Dzhankoi-Melitopol electricity transmission line feeding power to Crimea.
Tower of power line to Crimea exploded in Ukraine’s Kherson region
http://tass.ru/en/economy/830184
Unidentified perpetrators have exploded a tower of the power transmission line to Crimea in Ukraine’s Kherson region near the border village of Chongar, Ilya Kiva, deputy head of police in the southern Kherson region, said on Tuesday.
"A transmission tower has been damaged by an explosive device," Kiva told the UNN (Ukrainian National News) agency. He said that the "tower was part of the power line feeding electricity to the occupied territory" [Kiev regards Crimea as occupied territory].
According to him, law enforcement officers have found that another transmission tower was mined. "In fact, one tower has been exploded and one mined," Kiva said.
Rescuers have been working at the scene. The investigation is underway.
The line assault followed a warning by supporters of former Crimean Deputy Prime Minister Lenur Islyamov and Ukrainian parliament members Mustafa Dzhemilev and Refat Chubarov on September 20 that a Crimean food blockade would disrupt free passage of trucks carrying supplies. This was supported by extremist group Right Sector, outlawed in Russia.
Chubarov also told journalists that electricity supply to the peninsula could soon be at risk, noting this could happen in October.
The Ukrainian Interior Ministry opened a criminal case over damaging the Chongar transmission tower, as well as the Dzhankoi-Melitopol power line under the Criminal Code article "intentional destruction or damage to power facilities," envisaging punishment from three to ten years in prison.
Crimea and the peninsula's Russian federal city of Sevastopol declared independence in March last year after a referendum in which nearly 97% of Crimeans and some 96% of Sevastopol voters chose to secede from Ukraine and join the Russian Federation. Russian President Vladimir Putin signed the reunification deals that same month.
Despite the referendum's convincing result, Kiev refuses to recognize Crimea as part of Russia.
Humanitarian missions deliver over 1,700 tons of aid to Donetsk republic
http://tass.ru/en/world/830131
DPR’s parliament speaker said earlier that three humanitarian organizations — the ICRC, People in Need and Doctors Without Borders — have been granted permission for work in the republic’s territory
MOSCOW, October 20. /TASS/. International humanitarian missions have delivered more than 1,700 tons of foodstuffs, medicines and construction materials after receiving permission for activity from authorities of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic, a local accreditation committee has said.
"In the first half of October, the International Committee of the Red Cross has delivered to the DPR a total of 77 trucks, each carrying 20 tons of cargo," a spokesman said.
Some 1,240 tons of this assistance have been distributed by the organization’s representatives and around 300 tons of various humanitarian cargos will be handed over to the citizens in the coming weeks, the ICRC has said.
The Czech charity organization, People in Need (PIN), sent two convoys with 30 and 179 tons of aid to the DPR earlier this month. The assistance has not been distributed so far.
DPR’s parliament speaker Denis Pushilin said earlier that three humanitarian organizations — the ICRC, People in Need and Doctors Without Borders — have been granted permission for work in the republic’s territory. However, checks into the activity of the latter are ongoing.
Tower of power line to Crimea exploded in Ukraine’s Kherson region
http://tass.ru/en/economy/830184
Unidentified perpetrators have exploded a tower of the power transmission line to Crimea in Ukraine’s Kherson region near the border village of Chongar, Ilya Kiva, deputy head of police in the southern Kherson region, said on Tuesday.
"A transmission tower has been damaged by an explosive device," Kiva told the UNN (Ukrainian National News) agency. He said that the "tower was part of the power line feeding electricity to the occupied territory" [Kiev regards Crimea as occupied territory].
According to him, law enforcement officers have found that another transmission tower was mined. "In fact, one tower has been exploded and one mined," Kiva said.
Rescuers have been working at the scene. The investigation is underway.
The line assault followed a warning by supporters of former Crimean Deputy Prime Minister Lenur Islyamov and Ukrainian parliament members Mustafa Dzhemilev and Refat Chubarov on September 20 that a Crimean food blockade would disrupt free passage of trucks carrying supplies. This was supported by extremist group Right Sector, outlawed in Russia.
Chubarov also told journalists that electricity supply to the peninsula could soon be at risk, noting this could happen in October.
The Ukrainian Interior Ministry opened a criminal case over damaging the Chongar transmission tower, as well as the Dzhankoi-Melitopol power line under the Criminal Code article "intentional destruction or damage to power facilities," envisaging punishment from three to ten years in prison.
Crimea and the peninsula's Russian federal city of Sevastopol declared independence in March last year after a referendum in which nearly 97% of Crimeans and some 96% of Sevastopol voters chose to secede from Ukraine and join the Russian Federation. Russian President Vladimir Putin signed the reunification deals that same month.
Despite the referendum's convincing result, Kiev refuses to recognize Crimea as part of Russia.
Humanitarian missions deliver over 1,700 tons of aid to Donetsk republic
http://tass.ru/en/world/830131
DPR’s parliament speaker said earlier that three humanitarian organizations — the ICRC, People in Need and Doctors Without Borders — have been granted permission for work in the republic’s territory
MOSCOW, October 20. /TASS/. International humanitarian missions have delivered more than 1,700 tons of foodstuffs, medicines and construction materials after receiving permission for activity from authorities of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic, a local accreditation committee has said.
"In the first half of October, the International Committee of the Red Cross has delivered to the DPR a total of 77 trucks, each carrying 20 tons of cargo," a spokesman said.
Some 1,240 tons of this assistance have been distributed by the organization’s representatives and around 300 tons of various humanitarian cargos will be handed over to the citizens in the coming weeks, the ICRC has said.
The Czech charity organization, People in Need (PIN), sent two convoys with 30 and 179 tons of aid to the DPR earlier this month. The assistance has not been distributed so far.
DPR’s parliament speaker Denis Pushilin said earlier that three humanitarian organizations — the ICRC, People in Need and Doctors Without Borders — have been granted permission for work in the republic’s territory. However, checks into the activity of the latter are ongoing.
There was this news from CyberBerkut. There pages are not so easy to scroll, there is just a general link for all pages, so if the readers discovers this some time from now it may no longer be on the front page, as it is at the time of posting:
Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Israel (captured from Arab Armies), ISIS, Lebanon, Libya, Syria and Yemen. In case these weapons do not show up in Saudi Arabia where might they show up?
Here is a story about a couple of militants being killed in Syria, who turned out to have links to the Ukraine:
I looked into this story, one can read more about the guns here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZU-23-2 It is interesting that Saudi Arabia does not yet have these originally Sovjet made designs at the moment, but others in the Middle East and North Africa do:http://cyber-berkut.org/en/ said:
Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Israel (captured from Arab Armies), ISIS, Lebanon, Libya, Syria and Yemen. In case these weapons do not show up in Saudi Arabia where might they show up?
Here is a story about a couple of militants being killed in Syria, who turned out to have links to the Ukraine:
Regarding Ukrainians being fitted with NATO gear there was also this from a long article about Poland and NATO:http://fortruss.blogspot.dk/2015/10/ukrainian-radicals-in-nato-uniforms.html said:
If Ukrainian soldiers or members of the Ukrainian paramilitary units are trained by NATO soliders, is it any wonder they show up in a place like Syria on the side of IS and wearing NATO outfits?http://fortruss.blogspot.dk/2015/10/piskorski-nato-is-american-occupation.html said:
angelburst29
The Living Force
Odessa and child kidnappings ....
Odessa: A Fate Worse Than Death
http://journal-neo.org/2015/10/23/odessa-a-fate-worse-than-death/
When I first got to Donbass, I heard the rumors about girls being plucked off the streets of cities under fascist control and never being heard from again. I was a soldier then, and tried not to think about it much. The NAF was not in a position to liberate Mariupol or Odessa, so I felt there was nothing I could do. Now, I have the proof that the rumors are true, and I have to share this information with you and with the world, to get the truth out about what the fascists are doing to our people, and why we will die before we surrender.
And why you should too…
There have been at least 31 documented cases of good looking teenagers, (some as young as 11 years old) who have disappeared off of the streets of Odessa in the last year. Not street urchins or orphans, but kids from normal families, or rather, what used to be normal families, because how can any family ever be normal again after a child from that family is kidnapped by nazis, and the best you can hope for is they only want the organs. But judging from the age and the looks of these kids, the nazis who stole them from their families, want to do to those kids what they will do to all of us left alive, if we let them… Make us into slaves.
The governor of Odessa Oblast (state) is Mikael Sakashvili. He was appointed by Petro Poroshenko and granted Ukrainian citizenship, in spite of being wanted on criminal charges in his former country of Georgia. Sakashvili and his wife, Sandra Roelofs, have long been rumored to be major players in the international illegal human organ trade, based in Israel. Roelof’s wikipedia page states that “SOCO” the privately financed “charity” she founded, has, since 2007, “been actively taking care of reproductive health and child welfare in Georgia.” Probably the same way they have been in Odessa. Odessa Oblast is under the military control of “Azov” battalion, one of the most ruthless, criminal and openly neo-nazi units in the AFU. Members of the Odessa police not only allowed the mass murder at the Worker’s Union Hall to take place last year, they were active participants in it. What help do you think they will give to these missing children or their families? Criminal government, criminal army, criminal police. THAT is what it means to live under Fascism.There has been no action or comment by Odessa authorities about the mass disappearances of children in Odessa. A single case has been solved – a criminal gang, driving around Odessa in a BMW, one member dressed in a police uniform, kidnapped an underaged girl and demanded a $20,000 ransom for her return. According to the news report, while waiting for the ransom, the gang repeatedly “raped the underaged girl in unnatural ways”. The gang was captured, and the girl rescued when they tried to collect the ransom. Note the BMW, note the police uniform, note the fact that the gang thought the family could actually pay a ransom of $20,000. They picked the wrong kid, that time, one with a family whose power and connections to the government were stronger than theirs.
Not just the children and their families, the entire society of Odessa has also been terrorized. Because if the nazis can take the kid down the street, they can take yours too. Think for a moment what that would be like. The Horror…
Odessa: A Fate Worse Than Death
http://journal-neo.org/2015/10/23/odessa-a-fate-worse-than-death/
When I first got to Donbass, I heard the rumors about girls being plucked off the streets of cities under fascist control and never being heard from again. I was a soldier then, and tried not to think about it much. The NAF was not in a position to liberate Mariupol or Odessa, so I felt there was nothing I could do. Now, I have the proof that the rumors are true, and I have to share this information with you and with the world, to get the truth out about what the fascists are doing to our people, and why we will die before we surrender.
And why you should too…
There have been at least 31 documented cases of good looking teenagers, (some as young as 11 years old) who have disappeared off of the streets of Odessa in the last year. Not street urchins or orphans, but kids from normal families, or rather, what used to be normal families, because how can any family ever be normal again after a child from that family is kidnapped by nazis, and the best you can hope for is they only want the organs. But judging from the age and the looks of these kids, the nazis who stole them from their families, want to do to those kids what they will do to all of us left alive, if we let them… Make us into slaves.
The governor of Odessa Oblast (state) is Mikael Sakashvili. He was appointed by Petro Poroshenko and granted Ukrainian citizenship, in spite of being wanted on criminal charges in his former country of Georgia. Sakashvili and his wife, Sandra Roelofs, have long been rumored to be major players in the international illegal human organ trade, based in Israel. Roelof’s wikipedia page states that “SOCO” the privately financed “charity” she founded, has, since 2007, “been actively taking care of reproductive health and child welfare in Georgia.” Probably the same way they have been in Odessa. Odessa Oblast is under the military control of “Azov” battalion, one of the most ruthless, criminal and openly neo-nazi units in the AFU. Members of the Odessa police not only allowed the mass murder at the Worker’s Union Hall to take place last year, they were active participants in it. What help do you think they will give to these missing children or their families? Criminal government, criminal army, criminal police. THAT is what it means to live under Fascism.There has been no action or comment by Odessa authorities about the mass disappearances of children in Odessa. A single case has been solved – a criminal gang, driving around Odessa in a BMW, one member dressed in a police uniform, kidnapped an underaged girl and demanded a $20,000 ransom for her return. According to the news report, while waiting for the ransom, the gang repeatedly “raped the underaged girl in unnatural ways”. The gang was captured, and the girl rescued when they tried to collect the ransom. Note the BMW, note the police uniform, note the fact that the gang thought the family could actually pay a ransom of $20,000. They picked the wrong kid, that time, one with a family whose power and connections to the government were stronger than theirs.
Not just the children and their families, the entire society of Odessa has also been terrorized. Because if the nazis can take the kid down the street, they can take yours too. Think for a moment what that would be like. The Horror…
angelburst29 said:
That's horrific indeed. :(
Windmill knight said:
Sure is. It's been going on since the neo-Nazi coup. There have been a number of articles about child kidnapping throughout the crisis.
It is clear from hints and implication in the following conversation that US foreign policy has no one centre of command, it has been outsourced and privatized:
And if one looks at
http://fortruss.blogspot.dk/2015/10/ukrainian-wikileaks-mccain-and.html said:
And if one looks at
the situation of the cease fire has, at least temporarily, dropped the "cease" in order to "fire".http://fortruss.blogspot.fr/2015/10/ceasefire-chronicles-fierce-fighting-in.html said:
thorbiorn said:
I noticed that it was first posted on the 21/10/2015 and Russia bombed Al-Nusra badly in Latakia in the last day or two if I remember correctly. Who knows what is left of these mercenaries and their evil plans, if the wikileak is true, that is.
Aeneas said:
Well, if Wikileaks knew it, surely the Russians knew it too. According to some reports they also managed to kill an Al-Nusra big boss a few days ago.
I'd like to know how the wikipeople got that conversation. There's no doubt those thugs would come up with such a plan or worse, but the rule of thumb that 'it sounds too good to be true' (in this case that it was leaked) makes me a bit skeptical.
syldan
Dagobah Resident
There's something in all of this (world's geo-policical 'great game') that ruffles more and more my feathers, as years go by and changes take place. And it might be a question to address the C's again, in the sense that they have already stated in the past that we live under a one world government.
And, as i say this, keeping in mind that in 1976, one my my college political science teachers told our class the exact same thing, thinking: if that is the case, are we also being manipulated at this level where changes are implemented, always seemingly right at the edge of total chaos, in order to keep the 'great game' going? Is this Putin (and i not only believe in him, but moreover feel like he comes like a saviour in a time when i thought the end game was near) intervention, something that was already planned strategically? By this one world government? Meaning, is the ONE WORLD COVERT GOVERNMENT above the Consortium, and other groups? The same way countries were split in two ideologies purposefully, between the Capitalist block and the Communist block, after the second world war, and the way today the power and money is shifting from the West to the East openly?
i'm not certain how i would formulate the question but i feel it might be a good question: As in " Are we once again being 'manipulated' with this seeming 'hope', or has the balance of power really, truly, honestly 'shifted'. Or, am i the only one to feel this way?
And, as i say this, keeping in mind that in 1976, one my my college political science teachers told our class the exact same thing, thinking: if that is the case, are we also being manipulated at this level where changes are implemented, always seemingly right at the edge of total chaos, in order to keep the 'great game' going? Is this Putin (and i not only believe in him, but moreover feel like he comes like a saviour in a time when i thought the end game was near) intervention, something that was already planned strategically? By this one world government? Meaning, is the ONE WORLD COVERT GOVERNMENT above the Consortium, and other groups? The same way countries were split in two ideologies purposefully, between the Capitalist block and the Communist block, after the second world war, and the way today the power and money is shifting from the West to the East openly?
i'm not certain how i would formulate the question but i feel it might be a good question: As in " Are we once again being 'manipulated' with this seeming 'hope', or has the balance of power really, truly, honestly 'shifted'. Or, am i the only one to feel this way?
romochar said:
If you read the C's transcript, you might see that they have also said for a long time that the ptb would fail in their endeavours, due to wishful thinking. They said in the last session that they had not expected a Putin to come in the picture. Also that the wave is already here.
So I think that your question is one from an era gone past. It is just that we have woken up to a world where there is hope and that certaily is a big change. It is almost too hard to believe and yet the evidence is there for all to see. All empires come an end.
Your concern could elicit many replies, so it might be better for it to be shifted into another thread, so as not to hijack this one. Perhaps a thread about questions to the C's-
I could have investigated the claims better. Below is some information that I gathered when I looked at the original page: http://wikileaks.center/index.php/entry/saakashvili-i-makkejn-khotyat-stolknut-ssha-i-rf-v-sirii-gruzinskie-zenitchiki-uzhe-v-latakii-pzrk-avakov-dostavil-iz-ukrainy which did not have more information. However there is an interveiw with a representative, Krnic Sergey Nikolaevich (Кірник Сергій Миколайович), who claims to be a representative of the Ukrainian Wikileaks that has collected the information. The link is http://wikileaks.center/index.php/blogger/listings/kirnuk and it is in Russian, form this I get that they claim to have some technology including laser-vibrational that can pick up sound at a distance, also they claim to have contacts so they know what goes on where and when. What they have published shows, as the interviewer notes, is that "Mikhail Saakashvili, ex-president of Georgia, Odessa region governor" is often the target. Krnic Sergey Nikolaevich explains they have some contacts and know when he is doing what. Krnic Sergey Nikolaevich admits he has something against Mikhail Saakashvili personally. Politically, Krnic Sergey Nikolaevich, appears from the interview to be in favour of a united Ukraine free of Russian and American influence.
When I looked up Krnic Sergey Nikolaevich in Yandex, using the name written in Ukrainian, it turns out he is claimed to be a former member of the Ukrainian secret service, see for eksample: http://slovo.net.ua/ukrayna/spivrobitnyk-sbu-serhii-kirnyk-pislia-vykryttia-zmovy-saakashvili He says he is born in Lvov in 1981 and gives the impression of being some mild version of a Ukrainian nationalist. He ends his short talk on the above website with "Слава Україні! Героям слава!" that is "Glory to Ukraine, Glory to the heroes", a phrase well known among the present rulers of Ukraine, and the heroes include the Ukrainian nazi Stephan Bandera!
Hope all this clarifies.
Thanks for the further research, thorbiorn. That does provide some context.
syldan
Dagobah Resident
@Aeneas - you are right and i am sorry for not thinking of that, thank you for your reply and for straightening that out.
i agree with you and did not mean to create noise in this important thread, sorry:
Again: Thank you!
I agree that it is hard to believe and that is why i was being skeptical, which is not in this case productive, i understand.
i agree with you and did not mean to create noise in this important thread, sorry:
Again: Thank you!
I agree that it is hard to believe and that is why i was being skeptical, which is not in this case productive, i understand.
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