Comet Elenin

mkrnhr

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Re: Chinese scientists: "UFO 'cluster' trailing behind comet Elenin"

timeshhift said:
I also ran across another article mentioning Russia thinks Elenin is under some sort of "intelligent control".

The article is just another one that mentions no verifiable source of any kind.

There is a big disinformation compaign for some reason, especially from the nibiru/UFO people.

UFOs come and go all the time, they appear and disapear, re-read the wave and high strangeness to have an idea.
 

cubbex

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Re: Chinese scientists: "UFO 'cluster' trailing behind comet Elenin"

timeshhift said:
mkrnhr said:
If UFOs come from other densities/dimensions, do they need to hide behind a comet in order to on Earth?

I wondered the same thing, however as the C's say however, this may be "3rd density thinking".

You contradict yourself with this. Thinking that some UFOs are fallowing the comet is very simple and kind of silly. If they hide because of their hyperdimensional for hundred of years, it has not sense they are behind the comet. If the 3rd density thinking is linear, is usual that Sergio or whoever, an usual 3rd density being, will think and believe there are UFOs behind the comet.
 

RyanX

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Re: Chinese scientists: "UFO 'cluster' trailing behind comet Elenin"

timeshhift said:
http://noticias.terra.com.ar/cientificos-chinos-dicen-que-detras-de-cometa-viene-un-ovni,42ed4ad9867bf210VgnVCM4000009bf154d0RCRD.html

Based on reports issued by China's space agency, Sergio Toscano , director of astronomical research in Misiones , says that behind the comet Elenin could be approaching a UFO

According to the report quotes the astronomer mission, the space body would be found in the comet's tail and was after that looked mysterious signals that came off of an unknown formation "weird and dark"

According to the Daily Chronicle , this phenomenon was confirmed by Rosie Redfiel , the new director of the Program of NASA's Astrobiology . "But when NASA began to make calculations and projections of orbit of the comet, they realized that something was wrong and the first thing they did was remove the website which provided information on this issue, "said Toscano.

Ok, first of all, I can't read Spanish very well (the original article is in Spanish), but it doesn't sound like there is much to back up this claim, as mkrnhr points out. Second of all, if one translates UFO as being strictly that, a "unidentified flying object", instead of a hyperdimensional object of some kind, then this might make some sense. James McCanney's theory on comets hypothesizes that comets can electrically accrete matter, like small asteroids, on their trip through the solar system. So maybe they are just viewing some debris trailing Elenin? No reason to bring hyperdimensional beings and such into the mix here, osit. That is assuming this isn't just plain disinfo, which it very much sounds like based on the flavor of the article.

timeshhift said:
_http://www.eutimes.net/2011/03/russian-warning-issued-over-controlled-comet-headed-towards-earth/

EU Times is a known disinfo site. It's another spin-off of Sorcha Faal's Whatdoesitmean website. I would take anything stated on there with dumptrucks of salt.
 

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Re: Chinese scientists: "UFO 'cluster' trailing behind comet Elenin"

RyanX said:
So maybe they are just viewing some debris trailing Elenin? No reason to bring hyperdimensional beings and such into the mix here, osit. That is assuming this isn't just plain disinfo, which it very much sounds like based on the flavor of the article.
The problem is that there are no debris in the images they show. Debris are still possible but their images show none. It is just disinfo: "we saw debris so they are hidden UFOs...".

Edit: this is a very short summary of the article in Spanish but the tone is more or less that :) If someday someone observe real debris, these people will say "ahhh we told you so, and hey are UFOs" and it is how disinfo brings discredit to real observations or forces those who really see things not to tell anybody for fear of being ridiculous and being associated with the nibiru/212/end-of-the-world people.
 

RyanX

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mkrnhr said:
RyanX said:
mkrnhr,

Interesting. I get what you're saying, although I think the problem is even more complex based on what I've read. I think your idea of using a 1/r heliocentric isotropic electric field is probably the best way to approximate the idea of the solar capacitor, but each planet seems to have a different potential to discharge based its their size, orbital position (as well as its perihelion I'd imagine), and maybe other factors yet unknown to us (such as the positions of moons, etc.)

You are absolutely right, with planet potential it is far more complicated, especially that we don't have those potentials, i looked into the literature with no success.
There is also the fact that solar potential is not isotropic. The magnetic field that guides the electric currents has roughly a spiral shape, something resembling the old symbols (swastikas) for the Sun, funnily. If it interests you i can send you a small PDF file that displays that. It could be one possible explanation, although not sure, of the discharges that are not always straight (0 or 180°).

Yeah, I'd definitely be interested in seeing a PDF of this. I'll send you a PM with my email addy. Thanks!

Could this explain why the equinox periods tend to produce more auroral activity than most other times of the year? I think McCanney refereed to these times as periods with the Earth travels through certain "current sheets." Not sure if this is the same thing you're referring to or not...

mkrnhr said:
RyanX said:
If Nelson is correct in his findings, then it seems that the probability for solar discharge seems to be based more on the number of 0, 180, 90, 45, etc. degree alignments among all the planets in a given time frame (could be hours or even days, Nelson isn't exactly clear). But it also seems to depend on which planets are doing the aligning. He mentions alignments between Mercury and another outer planet as being one of the main initiating factors in most solar disturbances/discharges. Alignments among the outer planets, or even some of the inner planets like Earth and Mars cause little activity on the Sun until Mercury starts aligning with them. Once Mercury creates a hard angle between itself and another planet (particularly Jupiter of Saturn), then that can set off a lot of discharging activity; the character of which depends on other alignments happening at the time. Like I said, these alignments don't have to be direct (as in oppositions and conjunctions), they can be any harmonic of these angles, although oppositions and conjunctions seem to be the strongest in terms of producing the most electrical discharge activity. It seems like the solar capacitor likes to have certain 90 degree harmonic geometry between the planets for discharging activity to occur.

These observations are important, and they can indeed constraint a predictive model. Unfortunately i know nothing about astrology (apart my astrological sign lol) and if they are based upon observation, they may help a lot. The importance of Mercury can be understood somehow as being a protuberance of the solar potential when considered from the outer planets, just a thought. Jupiter and Saturn are the ones described by McCanney as having a proper electrical activity, in the sense that they produce their own capacitor? Maybe a clue among others.

Don't worry, you're not alone in not understanding astrology. I think what you're saying about Mercury makes sense. Yeah, Jupiter and Saturn are very important from the stand point of the sunspot cycle and other electrical activity on the sun. Their opposition and conjunction seems to follow the ~11 year sunspot cycle very close.

mkrnhr said:
RyanX said:
Then there is the stuff about the trines and their associated harmonics, and how they tend to act as act as a stabilizing factor for the solar capacitor. Nothing in my study of electricity really explains this satisfactorily. But according to Nelson trines and their harmonics seem to stabilize electrical activity on the Sun, or within the solar capacitor.
I do not understand what the harmonics mean but i suppose that i have to read the books for that :)

Basically just take 120 degrees and divide it by two to get your different harmonic values for the trines series. So: 120, 60, 30, 15, 7.5, etc., etc. Nelson's book probably lays better than I can.

mkrnhr said:
RyanX said:
Of course, Nelson never considered anything like comets as being a factor. These seem to have a much higher potential to discharge the solar capacitor, although it probably depends on the comet's orbital eccentricity, its size, position among the planets and maybe even composition. Also, how does the sun's hypothetical companion play into this, or any other outer-planets that have yet to be discovered, for that matter? Interestingly, could we infer the position of some of these undiscovered bodies based on anomalous discharging factors once we get it all ironed out?

The other thing that i was thinking about, i that it depends also on the composition of the comet itself. If it is an asteroid, it may be more or less conductive and that will change its electrical properties in its journey. I was reading a paper published recently about Hale-Bopp, and it's still active even now at more than 30 AU from the Sun! And nobody knows why. It is perpendicular to the ecliptic, but if there is some object there, maybe it is discharging other than Sun's capacitor, or maybe not, just a wild supposition.

Now that would be interesting!

mkrnhr said:
RyanX said:
Then the big question is how does this impact Earth weather? What is really needed here is a massive data-mining operation sifting through the data from the last century, correlating it with planetary alignments and Earth's position within such alignments. Then we might be able to discern some patterns in the data about how the planets affect weather down here.
I agree that it is the best way to go. Such databases are not easy to compile. The other approach IMHO is to establish the alignments calendar and search for occurrences of wild weather events. The problem is that excludes all the wild weather events when no major alignement occurred, and no definitive conclusion can be drawn from the statistical viewpoint.

I agree, such a database would not be easy. First, I think we need to figure out the alignment dynamics and see if they can be statistically correlated to something that is quantitatively measurable like the sunspot number, solar flux or the k-index, or some measurement of solar activity.

Here's a link to somebody who was working along these lines somewhat, although it doesn't sound like he included all the factors that Nelson found, and of course comets are missing too:

http://www.eham.net/articles/8828

Separately, there could be a concurrent database looking for trends between energetic activities on Earth such as earthquakes, volcanoes, cyclones, tornado-cells, etc and solar activity. Here's one such paper that discusses this relationship between solar activity and Earthquakes, although I bet one could find similar trends for cyclones, and volcanism as well.

http://fedgeno.com/documents/on-the-relation-between-solar-activity-and-seismicity.pdf

mkrnhr said:
RyanX said:
Really, if you're interested, I would recommend reading Nelson's book. It's pretty short and focused on this topic and he gives a lot of examples. You might get some good ideas on different models to test.
It is definitively worth reading. Thanks for the recommendation :)

You're welcome! :)
 
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Re: Chinese scientists: "UFO 'cluster' trailing behind comet Elenin"

cubbex said:
timeshhift said:
mkrnhr said:
If UFOs come from other densities/dimensions, do they need to hide behind a comet in order to on Earth?

I wondered the same thing, however as the C's say however, this may be "3rd density thinking".

You contradict yourself with this. Thinking that some UFOs are fallowing the comet is very simple and kind of silly. If they hide because of their hyperdimensional for hundred of years, it has not sense they are behind the comet. If the 3rd density thinking is linear, is usual that Sergio or whoever, an usual 3rd density being, will think and believe there are UFOs behind the comet.

I wasnt the one who originally said it, it was taken directly from The Wave.
 

anart

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Re: Chinese scientists: "UFO 'cluster' trailing behind comet Elenin"

timeshhift said:
I wasnt the one who originally said it, it was taken directly from The Wave.

I think you are misunderstanding what is written in the Wave. It doesn't say that ufos are hiding behind comets coming in. It says that there is a large contingent of other density entities/ships that are 'riding the Wave'. The Wave has been described as 'hyperkinetic sensate' not an EM disturbance, though it might be related to such in some way. I don't see any reason to think, at this point in time, that comet Elenin is anything other than a comet - not a comet cluster, not a 'dark star', not a front for a bunch of ufos - just a comet that might, or might not, result in some impact on the Earth and its neighbors as it passes.
 

cubbex

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Re: Chinese scientists: "UFO 'cluster' trailing behind comet Elenin"

timeshhift said:
I wasnt the one who originally said it, it was taken directly from The Wave.
You need to read all the info about comets and Elenin to understand that you may be misunderstanding "the wave".
 

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Re: Chinese scientists: "UFO 'cluster' trailing behind comet Elenin"

You need to read all the info about comets and Elenin to understand that you may be misunderstanding "the wave".
Yes, and to read the Wave also :)
 

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In his weekly radio broadcasts (latest May 12th as per following link http://www.jmccanneyscience.com/WeeklyRadioShowArchivesSubPage.HTM) James McCanney is becoming more and more vehement in his condemnation of those he claims are spreading ‘lies’ and ‘disinformation’ about Comet Elenin. He is unequivocally stating that in his opinion it is an insignificant event and that it will have absolutely no influence on anything happening here on earth. It also needs to be said that he appears to be showing signs of increasing paranoia and that his so called science hour is more an excuse to ramble on about grab and go buckets and the illuminate, but that is by the by.

Do other forum members have a take on this, especially as he seems to saying only he and he alone has the authority to comment on the ‘truth’ about this comet and is advising all listeners to avoid anyone who claims to speak using or interpreting his research? An interesting position to take up!
 

tschai

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Unfortunately, we have seen this happen to many others who are on the "right track"- they suddenly seem to disintegrate right before our eyes-and become increasingly unstable mentally and emotionally and therefore no longer are regarded as credible-the whole point. He is probably a victim of psy-ops.
 

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tschai said:
Unfortunately, we have seen this happen to many others who are on the "right track"- they suddenly seem to disintegrate right before our eyes-and become increasingly unstable mentally and emotionally and therefore no longer are regarded as credible-the whole point. He is probably a victim of psy-ops.

Yep, and even if he understands the basics of COINTELPRO, he's pretty easily manipulated. Just jam his radio signal when he's talking about the Kolbrin and he's convinced it's because *they* really don't want him talking about it, thus it's the real deal. He doesn't consider that perhaps these things happen for the very purpose of diverting him onto paths that discredit him. He's convinced this was a collection of books owned by Joseph of Arimathea, uncle of Jesus, which is absurd. In other words, it looks like he has been effectively neutralized. Yeah, his science is good, but to outsiders unfamiliar with his work, he appears to be a paranoid nut-job. The very real attacks and blackballing he's been subject to has had the effect of essentially isolating him, and when you're isolated, you shut yourself off from feedback and are more easily led. That's my take, at least.
 

anart

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I would say his early science was interesting (though not the whole banana) - at this point, he's unhinged - period.
 

thevenusian

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Michael Barker-Caven said:
Do other forum members have a take on this, especially as he seems to saying only he and he alone has the authority to comment on the ‘truth’ about this comet and is advising all listeners to avoid anyone who claims to speak using or interpreting his research? An interesting position to take up!

I've listened to quite a few of his shows, and I agree it has pretty much devolved into a continuous rant. He comes across as arrogant and paranoid. It is a shame to see someone who must have had a very well-developed scientific approach at one time come to this. I think AI's assessment is likely right on target.
 

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I found that link this morning while reading a website : _http://sites.google.com/site/omerbashich/

Since I am not a specialist, i can not certify if his theory makes sense or not.

But since he is talking about Astronomical alignments and the cause of strong earthquakes and the comet Elenin, maybe it worth a reading for someone who has a good background in that field of study.

fwiw
 
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