mkrnhr said:
RyanX said:
mkrnhr,
Interesting. I get what you're saying, although I think the problem is even more complex based on what I've read. I think your idea of using a 1/r heliocentric isotropic electric field is probably the best way to approximate the idea of the solar capacitor, but each planet seems to have a different potential to discharge based its their size, orbital position (as well as its perihelion I'd imagine), and maybe other factors yet unknown to us (such as the positions of moons, etc.)
You are absolutely right, with planet potential it is far more complicated, especially that we don't have those potentials, i looked into the literature with no success.
There is also the fact that solar potential is not isotropic. The magnetic field that guides the electric currents has roughly a spiral shape, something resembling the old symbols (swastikas) for the Sun, funnily. If it interests you i can send you a small PDF file that displays that. It could be one possible explanation, although not sure, of the discharges that are not always straight (0 or 180°).
Yeah, I'd definitely be interested in seeing a PDF of this. I'll send you a PM with my email addy. Thanks!
Could this explain why the equinox periods tend to produce more auroral activity than most other times of the year? I think McCanney refereed to these times as periods with the Earth travels through certain "current sheets." Not sure if this is the same thing you're referring to or not...
mkrnhr said:
RyanX said:
If Nelson is correct in his findings, then it seems that the probability for solar discharge seems to be based more on the number of 0, 180, 90, 45, etc. degree alignments among all the planets in a given time frame (could be hours or even days, Nelson isn't exactly clear). But it also seems to depend on which planets are doing the aligning. He mentions alignments between Mercury and another outer planet as being one of the main initiating factors in most solar disturbances/discharges. Alignments among the outer planets, or even some of the inner planets like Earth and Mars cause little activity on the Sun until Mercury starts aligning with them. Once Mercury creates a hard angle between itself and another planet (particularly Jupiter of Saturn), then that can set off a lot of discharging activity; the character of which depends on other alignments happening at the time. Like I said, these alignments don't have to be direct (as in oppositions and conjunctions), they can be any harmonic of these angles, although oppositions and conjunctions seem to be the strongest in terms of producing the most electrical discharge activity. It seems like the solar capacitor likes to have certain 90 degree harmonic geometry between the planets for discharging activity to occur.
These observations are important, and they can indeed constraint a predictive model. Unfortunately i know nothing about astrology (apart my astrological sign lol) and if they are based upon observation, they may help a lot. The importance of Mercury can be understood somehow as being a protuberance of the solar potential when considered from the outer planets, just a thought. Jupiter and Saturn are the ones described by McCanney as having a proper electrical activity, in the sense that they produce their own capacitor? Maybe a clue among others.
Don't worry, you're not alone in not understanding astrology. I think what you're saying about Mercury makes sense. Yeah, Jupiter and Saturn are very important from the stand point of the sunspot cycle and other electrical activity on the sun. Their opposition and conjunction seems to follow the ~11 year sunspot cycle very close.
mkrnhr said:
RyanX said:
Then there is the stuff about the trines and their associated harmonics, and how they tend to act as act as a stabilizing factor for the solar capacitor. Nothing in my study of electricity really explains this satisfactorily. But according to Nelson trines and their harmonics seem to stabilize electrical activity on the Sun, or within the solar capacitor.
I do not understand what the harmonics mean but i suppose that i have to read the books for that :)
Basically just take 120 degrees and divide it by two to get your different harmonic values for the trines series. So: 120, 60, 30, 15, 7.5, etc., etc. Nelson's book probably lays better than I can.
mkrnhr said:
RyanX said:
Of course, Nelson never considered anything like comets as being a factor. These seem to have a much higher potential to discharge the solar capacitor, although it probably depends on the comet's orbital eccentricity, its size, position among the planets and maybe even composition. Also, how does the sun's hypothetical companion play into this, or any other outer-planets that have yet to be discovered, for that matter? Interestingly, could we infer the position of some of these undiscovered bodies based on anomalous discharging factors once we get it all ironed out?
The other thing that i was thinking about, i that it depends also on the composition of the comet itself. If it is an asteroid, it may be more or less conductive and that will change its electrical properties in its journey. I was reading a paper published recently about Hale-Bopp, and it's still active even now at more than 30 AU from the Sun! And nobody knows why. It is perpendicular to the ecliptic, but if there is some object there, maybe it is discharging other than Sun's capacitor, or maybe not, just a wild supposition.
Now that would be interesting!
mkrnhr said:
RyanX said:
Then the big question is how does this impact Earth weather? What is really needed here is a massive data-mining operation sifting through the data from the last century, correlating it with planetary alignments and Earth's position within such alignments. Then we might be able to discern some patterns in the data about how the planets affect weather down here.
I agree that it is the best way to go. Such databases are not easy to compile. The other approach IMHO is to establish the alignments calendar and search for occurrences of wild weather events. The problem is that excludes all the wild weather events when no major alignement occurred, and no definitive conclusion can be drawn from the statistical viewpoint.
I agree, such a database would not be easy. First, I think we need to figure out the alignment dynamics and see if they can be statistically correlated to something that is quantitatively measurable like the sunspot number, solar flux or the k-index, or some measurement of solar activity.
Here's a link to somebody who was working along these lines somewhat, although it doesn't sound like he included all the factors that Nelson found, and of course comets are missing too:
http://www.eham.net/articles/8828
Separately, there could be a concurrent database looking for trends between energetic activities on Earth such as earthquakes, volcanoes, cyclones, tornado-cells, etc and solar activity. Here's one such paper that discusses this relationship between solar activity and Earthquakes, although I bet one could find similar trends for cyclones, and volcanism as well.
http://fedgeno.com/documents/on-the-relation-between-solar-activity-and-seismicity.pdf
mkrnhr said:
RyanX said:
Really, if you're interested, I would recommend reading Nelson's book. It's pretty short and focused on this topic and he gives a lot of examples. You might get some good ideas on different models to test.
It is definitively worth reading. Thanks for the recommendation :)
You're welcome! :)
