Researchers tested samples from more than 1,000 wild animals and found that the genetic code of coronavirus strain samples taken from pangolins was 99 percent identical to samples taken from infected humans.

 
The severe downside to this Virus economically is already implemented I think since in my company (in germany) we can‘t get goods from china for at least the next couple of weeks or even months since apparently an export ban has been implemented at least for some important parts of China. I think this will have quite negative consequences on chinese economy.

The thing is, it will not - at some point - have negative consequences on China only, as everything is interconnected in nowadays.

The question is what his sources are for those claims. At the beginning of the outbreak I also saw somebody claiming (apparently out of thin air) that already 100.000 people died. I searched a while on the internet and couldn’t find any source at all for this claim.

Maybe, and it's a big maybe, those numbers come from the Lancet study previously shared:
Here, we provide an estimate of the size of the epidemic in Wuhan on the basis of the number of cases exported from Wuhan to cities outside mainland China (...)
In our baseline scenario, we estimated that the basic reproductive number for 2019-nCoV was 2·68 (95% CrI 2·47–2·86) and that 75, 815 individuals (95% CrI 37 304–130 330) have been infected in Wuhan as of Jan 25, 2020.

Maybe, some people used/are using this study and its estimated numbers to claim that they are actually true. Maybe they are... And I guess that if it's the case, as the days go by, some people use this baseline and make their own estimations, and of course, their numbers are going up, even if it does not come from another Lancet (or any else) study, or any official claim.

About official numbers, frankly, I cannot believe what they say. Why? Why on Earth would they give us official ones? Since when we can fully trust in any numbers given by authorities (whatever they are)?

If there is a will to get us to accept a vaccine or any treatment (and it is not as if this kind of thing is not real), I suppose it would be easier if the official figures were higher, much higher, than what they currently are, even if in order to do that, numbers would then be wrongly and willingly increased. At this point, the official numbers are far from being high from a global perspective. But are they real? Without no doubt, they are not to me. However, as anyone else, I don't know what the real figures are.

As many have already share, "simple" flu have higher rates of deaths each year in almost each country than the current numbers of deaths due to this Coronavirus around the whole world (for what we are being said). Do we see China built hospitals in 15/20 days to prevent the proliferation of the virus? We don't. As we do not see any other country doing so. So if this virus is not very worrying, why on Earth is there such emergency to contain this virus, more than any "simple" flu one?

From RT on yesterday:
Observers have praised the unprecedented pace of response by the Chinese authorities to the outbreak of the new coronavirus. Many foreign media have coined the term 'Chinese speed', referring to China's actions to contain the epidemic, including rapid hospital construction and timely updates on the situation on the ground.


On a more mythological/cosmic point of view, and from the same RT article above, it is written that the two new hospitals have been codenamed:
The first specialized hospital, codenamed Loki and with 1,000 beds, was unveiled on February 2. The second, 1,500-bed clinic, Thor, was finished on February 5.

I could find nothing either in English or French that would support these codenames. :huh:
But maybe Loki and Thor are used to get as close as possible to the "mythological" meaning given by Chinese (see below) to the real names of the two hospitals. Thor is God of Thunder. As for Loki, it seems far more complicated to find a frank link to fire, except that his father represented thunder, too.

However, in French, the nouvelobs states that these two hospitals are named as, for the first one, "Huoshenshan" which means "Mountain of the God of Fire", a character from Taoist mythology who can evacuate viruses and infections from the body through the heat it gives off, and that the second one was built on a site renamed "Leishenshan" which means "Mountain of the God of Lightning".

For the first one and from Wikipedia, Huoshen is named after Zhurong who is God of Fire and rides two dragons:
The name "Huoshen" (火神; 'God of Fire') named after Zhurong, an important personage in Chinese mythology and Chinese folk religion who was known as ancestors of the Chu people, and Yan Emperor, a legendary ancient Chinese ruler in pre-dynastic times who was known as ancestors of the Chinese people.

The name "Huo" (火; 'Fire') is also related to the concept of fire (火) in wuxing (五行). In traditional Chinese medicine, the lung belongs to the metal element (金) which governs the lung (肺). As fire overcomes metal (火克金), the name conveys the hope that the respiratory infection caused by 2019-nCoV will eventually be eliminated.

For the second one and from Wikipedia, Leishen is named after Leigong who is God of Thunder:
The name "Leishen" (雷神; 'God of Thunder') refers to Leigong, a deity in Chinese folk religion who punishes both earthly mortals guilty of secret crimes and evil spirits who have used their knowledge of Taoism to harm human beings.

The name "Lei" (雷; 'Thunder') is also related to the concept of wood (木) in wuxing (五行), wherein wood begets fire (木生火) and fire overcomes metal (火克金). In traditional Chinese medicine, the lung belongs to the metal element (金) which governs the lung (肺). So the name conveys the hope that the respiratory infection caused by 2019-nCoV will eventually be eliminated.

I thought it was interesting to share, considering the cosmic meaning of these names.
 
This is definitely a FWIW. I used my pendulum to ask questions about the virus connecting to the information field. What I got at this point, and I'll ask again later, people's immune systems are very compromised due to the pollution they live in which includes 5G. No bio attack. This follows along the lines of what Jon Rappaport has said. It reminded me of the Seth material and what he said about mass causalities when people decide to die together as a group. Their intent is to bring attention to living conditions that don't support life and so hopefully bring change.

Of course I could be totally wrong(and may be) and have no desire to be proven correct or any such thing. I just thought it was an interesting response and thought you may find it interesting as well, just to share.
 
Researchers tested samples from more than 1,000 wild animals and found that the genetic code of coronavirus strain samples taken from pangolins was 99 percent identical to samples taken from infected humans.


The article also states:
Chinese researchers now believe that the deadly coronavirus may have spread from bats to humans through the illegal sale and trafficking of pangolins, scaly mammals widely used in Eastern medicine.
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The outbreak is believed to have originated in a market in Wuhan, China which sold wild animals.

However, these latest findings are far from conclusive as the full study has not been released and has therefore not been peer-reviewed or scrutinized in any meaningful way.

“This is not scientific evidence; investigations into animal reservoirs are extremely important, but results must then be published for international scrutiny to allow proper consideration,” said Professor James Wood, head of the Department of Veterinary Medicine, University of Cambridge.

Might be a way to rule out the virus being "released by mistake or not by mistake" theory. Blaming an animal is easier though that trail can't be completely ruled out... Or it also might be a way to rule out the possible cosmic virus theory... If it's because of us as humans (mistake/not mistake or behavior), we "could" act on it. If it comes from space, we can do nothing.

Paraphrasing the follow:
Cynics would say that we do not need the celestial threat to disguise Cold War intentions; rather we need the Cold War to disguise celestial intentions!

Would give:

Cynics would say that we do not need the celestial threat to disguise man/animal made Coronavirus intentions; rather we need the man/animal made Coronavirus to disguise celestial intentions!


Back to pangolins, they also are used as meat both in Asia and Africa, and Asia is importing large quantities from Africa:
Pangolins, a group of unique African and Asian scaly mammals, are considered to be one of the most heavily trafficked wild mammals in the world. They are hunted and traded for their meat, scales, and other body parts, and used as traditional medicines in parts of Africa and Asia.

So I wonder why Asia is hit by Coronavirus allegedly from Pangolins and not Africa?
For Central African forests in Cameroon, Central African Republic, Equatorial Guinea, Gabon, Democratic Republic of Congo and Republic of Congo, we estimated that at least 400,000 pangolins are hunted annually for meat.

And Asian pangolins being threatened with extinction,
Seizures of pangolins and their scales and skins from Africa, destined for Asia, are increasing with over 53 tons seized in 2013 alone. These estimates likely represent a fraction of all pangolins traded, and an even smaller portion of the number of pangolins hunted.

The previous article has been published on February 2019.
 
just looked up the persons name who Paul Joseph Watson said up loaded some videos.

here is her twitter page.
Thank you! Jennifer Zeng is updating her Twitter regularly. Below are a few screen shots with comments here and there.
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has an interview with a student, that explains what this lock down means for him in practical terms. It seems he is allowed to go out to buy food. He has been out twice.
I found the article in Chinese and machine translated it to find out what the procedures are during what they call a lock down.
Translating this document there is:
Guangzhou Issues No. 3 Epidemic Prevention Circular
2020-02-07 14:38:53 Source: Southern Network

At noon on February 7, the Guangzhou City Pneumonia Epidemic Prevention Command for New Coronavirus Infection issued the No. 3 Circular on Further Strengthening Community and Rural Epidemic Prevention and Control, which requires the concentration of culture and entertainment in the village living room Places are always closed. All residential communities (villages) in the city are closed. Strengthen the management of people (vehicles) access, and restrict non-owners (villages) owners, residents or users and vehicles from entering the property management area. All entrances and exits shall be provided with prevention and control card points, and resident personnel shall enter and exit with their credentials and perform temperature monitoring.

The circular also requires that enterprises, institutions, rental house owners or other house lessors must implement their responsibilities for prevention and control.
Enterprises, institutions, and owners of rental housing are responsible for the management of related personnel, and the management of rental housing is directly responsible.

The full text of the announcement is as follows:

Pneumococcal Disease Command of Guangzhou City for Prevention and Control of New Coronavirus Infection

Notice on epidemic prevention and control (No. 3)

In order to do a good job in epidemic prevention and control, to effectively protect the lives and health of the people, and to safeguard public interests, in accordance with laws and regulations such as the Law of the People's Republic of China on Infectious Disease Prevention and Control and the Law of the People's Republic of China on Emergency Response, The first-level response requirements for major public health emergencies are hereby notified as follows:

First, citizens must do their own protection. Citizens should wash their hands frequently, go out less, do not walk in, do not get together, do not gather meals, wear masks in and out of public places. All gathering places such as culture and entertainment in the village are closed.

2. All residential communities (villages) are closed. Strengthen the management of personnel (vehicles) access, and restrict non-owner (village) owners, residents or users and vehicles from entering the property management area (including but not limited to people such as courier, takeaway and their vehicles). Items delivered by courier companies, takeaways, etc. should be sent to a designated area for centralized storage and management, and collected by customers themselves. All entrances and exits should be equipped with prevention and control card points. Residents must enter and exit and conduct body temperature monitoring. Those whose body temperature exceeds 37.3 degrees Celsius are required to actively cooperate with medical observation and other related disposals in accordance with work guidelines, and promptly report to the residential (village) committee. Will report.

3. Those arriving in Guangzhou must report on the same day. Foreigners and residents of this city will report to the unit and the village (village) committee in a timely manner through the “Sui Kang” WeChat mini-program on the day of arrival. Investigate responsibilities according to law.

4. Personnel who are still stranded in key epidemic areas are not allowed to return until the first-level response to a major public health emergency in the province is lifted. Public officials (party and government agencies, institutions, and state-owned enterprise staff) who return to Guangzhou in advance shall be held accountable by the disciplinary inspection and supervisory organs at the same level; foreign visitors from Guangzhou have a history of staying in key epidemic areas. Eligibility for points-based household registration and eligibility for points-based public rental housing.

V. Those who arrived in key epidemic areas must accept strict home or centralized isolation health management, and they must not go out. In the past 14 days, all personnel who arrived in the key epidemic areas must conduct home and isolation (including dormitory) health observations. If they do not have the home conditions, they must implement centralized quarantine health observations at designated places (including hotels) in the districts. After 14 days, they can be released without symptoms; If you have respiratory symptoms such as fever, cough, shortness of breath, etc., you must immediately report to the neighborhood (village) committee, and the staff of the neighborhood (village) committee will guide them to take protective measures to the nearest hot clinic, and it is strictly forbidden to conceal or report late. Concentrated isolation measures will be taken in accordance with the law to conceal the history of travel in a key epidemic area or to leave the home without authorization during the period of quarantine. If refusal to accept home observation and centralized quarantine health observations results in the spread of the epidemic, responsibilities will be investigated in accordance with the law.

6. Implement "eight ones" management and care for home isolation personnel. The street (town) and residential (village) committees must conduct health management and good care services for quarantined persons, and implement the "eight-on-one" measures: post a health care reminder in front of quarantine households and deliver a quarantine The notice specifies a community counterpart to contact the service person and distribute a thermometer, a dozen masks, a temperature test form, a pen, and a brochure; home quarantine must not leave the quarantine without permission during the quarantine period, daily You must upload and report the body temperature monitoring situation. Domestic garbage generated by home isolation personnel must be sealed in the house and placed outside the residence door at the designated time every day by the community.

7. Enterprises, public institutions, owners of rental houses or other lessors of the house must implement their responsibilities for prevention and control. Enterprises, institutions, and owners of rental housing are responsible for the management of related personnel, and the management of rental housing is directly responsible. Those who do not report the rented houses of key arrivals in key epidemic areas, fail to implement home and centralized quarantine health observation regulations, fail to fulfill their responsibilities for home and centralized quarantine health observation and reporting, and do not cooperate with government and community workers to conduct work will be investigated in accordance with law responsibility.

All citizens and people coming to Guangzhou must abide by the national, provincial, and municipal regulations for epidemic prevention and control, and do a good job of prevention and control. Violations of relevant prevention and control regulations will be investigated for serious responsibility in accordance with the law and regulations.

Guangzhou City Pneumonia Epidemic Prevention and Control Headquarters

February 7, 2020

[Nanfang Daily Reporter] Huang Yingchuan
The next repeats the number mentioned before:
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Secondary effects:
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The above picture is just one area, as factories stop working, the financial circuits of supply connected around the globe will be affected too in ways not easily predictable.
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Even if the disease goes away, the effects may last some time.
Thinking about putting the Corona virus into perspective, one may recall the 1918 Spanish flu:
The question was what was the World Population in 1918:
1.8 Billion The 1918 flu pandemic infected about 500 million people around the world, killing 50 to 199 million of them. This was 3-5% of the world's population at the time. This was one of the deadliest natural disasters in human history.
The 1918 influenza pandemic (January 1918 – December 1920; colloquially known as Spanish flu) was an unusually deadly influenza pandemic, the first of the two pandemicsinvolving H1N1 influenza virus, with the second being in 2009.[1] It infected 500 million people around the world,[2] including people on remote Pacific islands and in the Arctic. The death toll is estimated to have been 50 million, and possibly as high as 100 million (about three to five and a half percent of Earth's population at the time), making it one of the deadliest epidemics in human history.[3][4][5] Historical and epidemiological data are inadequate to identify with certainty the pandemic's geographic origin.[2]
 
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Peng Zhiyong feb 05 2020

Some informations from first hand, translated from Chinese in this interview, with Peng Zhiyong, Head of the Department of Critical Care Medicine at Zhongnan Hospital of Wuhan University. Here is what he say about the virus and what make it different from the flue:

The greatest danger of the new coronavirus is to attack the human immune system, resulting in decreased lymphocytes, impaired lung function and respiratory failure. Many seriously ill patients are asphyxiated by respiratory failure. There are also many patients with weakened immune systems, resulting in multiple organs complications and multiple organs failure.

The third week is a turning point between serious illness and death.
After the treatment of some seriously ill patients, the lymphocyte index gradually increased, the immune system gradually improved and recovered, and for those whose lymphocyte count continued to fall, the immune system is finally destroyed, multi-organs failure occurred and they died.

Answering the remark that someone, 39, suddenly went into cardiac arrest and died quickly. he say:
I have observed clinically that one-third of people will suffer from systemic inflammation, which is not specifically related to young people. The storm of inflammatory factors is only a theoretical concept. It manifests itself as systemic inflammation in the clinic, which leads to multi-organ failure and develops into a serious disease. In some patients, this process is very rapid and critical within 2-3 days.
 
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From Thailand Medical News - Feb 05, 2020:
The virology researchers studying a cluster of coronavirus infections within a family in the southern province of Guangdong said the genes of the virus went through some significant changes as it spread within the family.

Viruses mutate all the time, but most changes are synonymous or “silent”, having little effect on the way the virus behaves. Others, known as nonsynonymous substitutions, can alter biological traits, allowing them to adapt to different environments.

Two nonsynonymous changes took place in the viral strains isolated from the family, according to the study by Professor Cui Jie and colleagues at the Institut Pasteur of Shanghai.

This case indicated “viral evolution may have occurred during person-to-person transmission”, they wrote in the paper published in the journal National Science Review on 29 January. (the url link for that study is found below)

In the second study involving another group of patients from Hubei, the team also found significant nonsynonymous substitutions taking place and confirmed that the virus is indeed mutating becoming more potent and virulent.

In different study by Dr Fang Li from the University of Minnesota that was published in the Journal of Virology, on the 29th Of January 2020 (url link found below), lead researcher Dr Fang Li, warned after studying the genome of the virus that their research data alarmingly predicts that a single mutation (at a specific spot in the genome) could significantly enhance the Wuhan coronavirus's ability to bind with human angiotensin-converting enzyme-2 (ACE2) receptors to become extremely potent and deadly.

She further added, “For this reason, Wuhan coronavirus evolution in patients should be closely monitored for the emergence of novel mutations at the 501 position in its genome, and to a lesser extent, the 494 position, in order to predict the possibility of a more serious outbreak than has been seen so far.”

According to Dr Li, these type of gene “evolution” or mutation is easy to occur considering the nature of the virus genomic structure and characteristics.

Other experts are also saying that the coronavirus is not only “fast learning and adapting” it is beginning to exhibit signs that it is improving its mode and potency of transmissions and also its potency in the human body even to the stage of preventing antibody reactions.


A Chinese researcher at Wuhan Institute of Virology of the Chinese Academy of Sciences who wished to remain anonymous due to security reasons said “ efforts to develop a vaccine and also find treatments using antivirals will be hampered by the coronavirus potency and mutations. Already we are witnessing resistant to some of the initial antivirals we had used and that too in a very short time. We are dealing with something here that is going to be far more challenging that what most people can imagine.

“fast learning and adapting”?
Does it mean that (some) virus have a kind of soul? I remember the C's saying about one virus that is was a "thought", like crop circles are. A "thought" from who? From the universe? And the universe is learning? So much questions...
 
“fast learning and adapting”?
Does it mean that (some) virus have a kind of soul? I remember the C's saying about one virus that is was a "thought", like crop circles are. A "thought" from who? From the universe? And the universe is learning? So much questions...

This article is a Very good find, imho.
It isn't full of mind numbing numbers and conflicting latin garble.

Those are great questions,@Ellipse!
Here are my "Outlier" observations and a couple of allegory attempts.:scared:

I refuse to "believe" the "Beliefs" of Organized Medical Religion that bacteria and viruses are to be FEARED and KILLED.
What about that Intelligent and Loving Cosmos behind all of Life?
Nature is NOT out to Self Destruct or kill off life.

Here is what I think;

A virus is a packet of RNA.
RNA is kinda like a Recipe upgrade, to add to DNA...it's a new idea from Nature.
When it is received, hopefully it can get added to the right recipe book, in our DNA library.

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When I send it to you, you might add a few lines, making it a better Recipe.
Then, copies are made, to send to EVERYBODY!!
Nature is all about SHARING!
Because we are inhabiting "wet" machines, it get sent out in droplets...;-)
BUT, sometimes the recipients have really messed up libraries, books are torn up, pages missing, or damaged beyond repair.
The DNA is in disarray, and the add on improvements in the virus packet can't get filed properly or at all...and the recipient doesn't survive. :-(

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Or, you could look at a Virus, sorta like a Zip File, or a Flash drive, its contents are upgrades for outdated programs, or totally new programs for a computer.
Our bodies are "wet" computers.
If all goes well, the upgrade happens and it's all good.
If the computer is unable to install, unable to upgrade, it could crash....

Viruses are not "alive" on their own, they don't function on their own like a computer, but in a way, they could be considered as "thoughts", because they ARE information.
 
From Thailand Medical News - Feb 05, 2020:


“fast learning and adapting”?
Does it mean that (some) virus have a kind of soul? I remember the C's saying about one virus that is was a "thought", like crop circles are. A "thought" from who? From the universe? And the universe is learning? So much questions...

Maybe not a soul per se as it would a human being, but a soul imprinted on it by a designer, as much a soul as a computer program or a phone app would, if that makes sense.

The way I see it is, if all the above is true, the virus is designed to do exactly what it’s doing. Moving and adapting and “learning”.

Much like some phones learn your routine and commute and ”suddenly” give you a heads up about traffic on your way home, an hour before you’re supposed to leave work.

In that sense it’s fascinating, and exploring that a bit deeper, also understanding viruses as information download and delivery devices, I do wonder if there’s a purpose for this virus to deliver a form of information beyond the obvious one about 5G and healthy habits.

I guess really there’s no way to know, what I will say is that it’s making China look really bad, and beyond the reality of it, some of it does feel like a manufactured crisis, at least in the public sphere, and I wouldn’t be surprised if someone is already planning on taking advantage of it.
 
@Debra
RNA as an update of DNA or update carrier, yeah, very interesting. But does all updates have a positive effect? Perhaps some come from STS side?

@Alejo
If we follow this line of thinking, the problem is: how viruses communicate between them to evolve in group. I mean mechanism of communication from a 3D perspective. Perhaps we are acting as a media?
 
@Debra
RNA as an update of DNA or update carrier, yeah, very interesting. But does all updates have a positive effect? Perhaps some come from STS side?

@Alejo
If we follow this line of thinking, the problem is: how viruses communicate between them to evolve in group. I mean mechanism of communication from a 3D perspective. Perhaps we are acting as a media?

well, we can speculate... we have very complex devices they communicate wirelessly and that probably aren’t as complex, in terms of information, as a virus might be. There’s also the information field factor which, if we’re connected and respond, they could be connected and respond.

But it doesn’t need to be that way either, each copy of the virus could be a self contained AI machine that is sophisticated enough to adapt individually to particular scenarios, like a phone or computer with many languages installed already they can function in several places in the world.
 
Here is a vaccine researcher responding for the virus. Sorry it's lengthy

Responding to the question of psyche effect from 2019 NCOV. Our current data doesnt suggest the virus itself will have any effect on mental stability, but let me be clear. This virus has shown us multiple times in lab and real world, that it mutates often. As well as the brain is a work of art that nobody fully understands. That is a coin toss in my opinion.

Second, responding to bugout etc. Bugging out is not my forte as I dont get that option. I will be one of the many in my field that has had that ability taken, my job is to prevent it getting to that point. But keep in mind, this virus has severe effects on the lungs as data is showing in ALL critical cases. Will you be one of the lucky to not require ventilator assistance or worse, ECOM? You will find none of that in your bugout kit. Weigh that decision on your own, no one in my field will provide you with help on this subject as we dont get that liberty.

This is a consistently evolving situation, and unless government intelligence agencies are willing to provide labs with data from patients in China that have died from this virus directly, not secondarily, we cant go off speculating. That is not how my industry runs and that is why the WHO will not speak unconfirmed facts.

Yes, I have been a member here a very long time in the form of an AC. I love a good theory (conspiracy or not) but dont discredit the WHO fully, but instead take their words with a grain of salt and think of their stance.

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As I stated before. If they reveal everything all at once, mass panic due to speculation and rumors will make ALL efforts of treatment and prevention absolutely meaningless.

Due to the simple fact that there is a vast amount of people that will just lose their minds and riot.


How would the work I am doing be of any good if the population is busy robbing, raping and screaming? Please dont be niave. If it was a cover up, I would not be working on this current strain of coronavirus nor looking for treatments. They would ignore it entirely.

-001We do not assume in my industry. That does not bring a repeatable result.

The administration may assume until they are advised differently. Keep in mind, your faces on tv are not heavily educated in every topic that arises in running a country.

The makeup of this strain exhibits manipulation from outside natures natural routes. Does that mean it was weaponized? Not exactly so.

China is involved in the same programs all other countries capable of doing so are involved in. Universal vaccines, you receive one, you prevent all. Does that mean this strain is part of it? No, but it is a high possibility due to the fact coronaviruses is what is most common for their population.

Here in North America, we are involved in uni vac program for influenzas.

There is much info out there to parse through to get a more educated outlook on this, do not run only off what you read. Educate yourself on ALL possibilities.

-001



Not for certain no, r0 is merely a measure of infection. Meaning if it mutates into a strain easier to transmit, then it will therefore raise the r0. No virus can have two r0s. That is like having 1+1=1 and 2. It just doesnt happen.

-001

Race specific viruses are extraordinarily difficult to culture. Dna is so diverse now, it would be hard to target a specific face. Impossible? No

But you also must account for the consistency of said virus. Manipulating a virus outside its natural routes reduces stability, resulting in unreliable results in the real world. You may end up having the barrel pointed at you instead of your target. The ideal virus to be weaponized is a reliable, quiet virus with a subtle death so as not to bring attention. You wouldnt venture past the first discussion of weaponizing a virus, without ensuring vaccination availability first. Viruses are notorious for their ability to mutate, more so as your r0 gets higher.To answer the "when to isolate" question is not easy and I would not hazard giving incorrect info to the very thread Im attempting to educate.

I have provided information over the last 10 or so pages that although I have no way to prove due to what I had to do to be part of this program, that should be helpful to all of you and educational.

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Isolation is hard to equate due to human nature. You are in fear of this virus as much as the next. But its an invisible enemy.

Your literal best practices are hygiene, avoiding ANY you feel may be sick and your diet. At this moment, no treatment has been all that effective in our lab testing. All treatment in hospital will be SUPPORTIVE, not COMBATIVE.

Isolation is a great idea, but when to do so? Who knows, incubation has been shown from 1 day to 6 wks, evident in the 2nd BC case in Canada. Keep yourself healthy and if you smoke, I would advise you stop for the time being. Take up gum.

If you need reasoning, educate yourself on available case studies by my colleagues at Lancet, showing ground glass opacity and other lung damage early in virus onset. The main target of this virus is lower respiratory tract. Dont aid its job with tobacco. Pick up a vape if you MUST have abate your addiction.

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That is yet to be seen in our tests here, if you are implying reinfection due to mutation. It does mutate faster then viruses we have seen emerge from the coronavirus family. But, like all viruses, mutations go both ways. It could become better or worse at its job.

But I dont speculate much due to how long I have been in this field. It is in the realm of possibilities that you can be reinfected, but the main ability of this virus is the fact it is NOVEL. No immune system has seen this, so it enters un-noticed and unabated. Would secondary reinfection be as risky as the first run? That is unseen yet and unfortunately as dark as this is, we need it to happen in order for clearer data as we have next to NOTHING from China.

Excuse them, the human mind is predisposed to find any reason for it to survive. That is its whole purpose. It will rationalize anything and everything in order to comfort itself.———

Answering incubation/symptoms etc.

Incubation is very vague with this novel virus. It seems to be earliest of 1 day to 6 wks so far. We have no real hard data from China to base an incubation on. They are terrified and unorganized there now, next to no labs online and sharing info.

Symptoms are what you have been warned to watch for, they will be subtle and minor based on what we have seen. But you will notice a shortness of breath VERY fast, that is not common. You WILL know if you have this. In critial cases it commonly causes what is called "ground glass opacity", as I stated before. Research it and you will have a clearer picture.


But symptoms to time of death is another vague area due to how your body works. The moment this virus begins causing damage/symptoms, your immune system will begin acting. Some will experience severe issues due to over reaction (commonly called a cytokine storm), some systems will do their job and slow this and in the unlucky few, it will notice nothing, allowing this to rupture majority of alveoli, hence why ecom (oxygen through dialysis to make it easy to grasp) is required in the life threatening cases.


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Ok I understand the hatred. But explain to me this.


They reveal that there is no containment intended, this is a novel virus and NO one has immunity. It has a chance to end your life, and it is highly infectious, so more will die due to medical service overloading.

Now youre all rioting, and my lab finds effective treatment or a way to prevent it harming you to the point of death.

How do you stop the rioting and organize and now hostile population? You dont. You call in FEMA under national security protocols who will be authorized to use lethal force to tame the situation.
No, do not go into panic mode.

That is a one off case which may be explainable by infection thru fomites.

This is why information is not poured out on national tv broadcasts. Riots wouldve began there.

Most common by available data is 15 days and under from infection.

But as stated, Chinese labs are not providing sufficient data on this outbreak nor is their government. So a true incubation is hard to discern and many things impact incubation. How healthy you are, your diet, sleep, many many variables.


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Two r0s in one virus would be unheard of, and unseen in our lab tests as well. It would have to be two seperate viruses, one of two would obviously have to be invisible thru all testing procedures. Which unless someone is roughly 50 years ahead of military labs, is not going to be a reality.

Relax.

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As I said before. The stark reality of viruses, requires spread before true knowledge can be gained. Containment is not the goal at this time, as we dont believe it is possible without extreme blowbacks from stoppage of EVERYTHING.

We require spread to happen before prevention can happen. Inbetween spread and prevention is what my lab has been tasked with. So far, no effective methods have been found, minor effectiveness is shown with antivirals, but only in late stages of infection where it is of no use. We need to advance knowledge in detection in order for treatment to be effective as well. Just know the government is serious about this, the directives we are under are not used during influenza or even the bird flu scare in the past.It would be unstable if made to do so and too risky to the party who designed it. Your target would have to ALL be the same blood type for it to be of use.

Maybe in a solo target situation? Sure

Mass target? Wrong route of doing so.

Mass target weapons do not have race, blood type or anything like this in design. They are designed with their vaccine side by side and only deployed to bsl4's and the field when sufficient amount of vaccination is prepared.

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I will be back. Errands to run. I will speak more on return

I recommend any who missed my info to scour previous pages and read.

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No not only military can make a virus. But I assure you, the technology to make a virus capable of hiding an entire secondary virus inside with different characteristics is not only unavailable to the public, but completely beyond your budget and education level to utilize considering it involves things I do not even understand after 19 years in this field and continous schooling.

In my field of work, "God" or nature, does not hide things. It works in absolutes. Man works in the way of hiding things.

-001

Not for certain no, r0 is merely a measure of infection. Meaning if it mutates into a strain easier to transmit, then it will therefore raise the r0. No virus can have two r0s. That is like having 1+1=1 and 2. It just doesnt happen.

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There is a very valid reason that cases confirmed went up so little, but suspected made its biggest jump in days.

They are simply attempting to keep WHO and CDC from pushing so hard to get in.

Dont be so quick to believe CCP numbers when I still cannot get any data from a single lab in China after multiple requests for cases studies I know for a fact are being performed.

-001

ACE2 only correlates with the viruses entry in 100% of my tests in lab. Has no direct effect on what it does to your system after entry.

-001

Like I stated in pages 2170-2190, this virus has similar makeup to a strain that appeared in Saudi in Sept. Not 100% match in any tests, but heavy similarities.

-001

The Presidency comes with many things, one of which being full control if needed. Only requires a single signature by his pen.

Same signature that signed the directives our labs are following here in the US.

-001

I posted many times from 2170-2190 pages. Refer there, I shared much info here with everyone. I explained many things ranging from viral manipulation causing instability, the "asian only" idea and many others.

-001

I believe your absolutely correct. The liberal mind will be the death of us. States will have to act accordingly.

If you had influenza and ncov, you would know, trust me. You would more then likely be critical, possibly suffering from sepsis and be delusional.
As I have said previously, containment is NOT the goal at this time. The r0 is higher then influenza, which as you know itself is uncontainable.

Treatment and prevention is the goal. Vaccination is long way out due to the virus' instability/mutation rate.

Corona aids? It is all one virus at this time, the virus will not give you AIDS. It does contain proteins from HIV responsible for decimating your immune system which is why sepsis is an issue present with 19NCOV.

Another thing for you to eye from now on, is cadaveric spasms at death. Which is why alot of the deceased from this virus are stiff immediately. That is a direct effect of the viruses extreme effects on some patients systems.

Data needs to be acquired that ONLY real world spread can provide labs. Unless China becomes non-communist overnight, that data will not be provided from them.

-001

Its a possibility influenza may hinder ncov. But due to the proteins present from HIV, it will decimate vulnerable immune systems, quickly allowing one of the two to cause sepsis, among other severe outcomes.

-001

Above is ccp party correlating with what I stated, that cytokine storms (immune sytem overload), are very common in ALL crit cases.


I do not speculate due to 19 yrs in a field of work that requires you to deal in certainties.

If I was to venture outside my mindset and guess, I would be conservative and say as of today, basing infection at an r0 of 2 (to be conservative) and Dec 1st as the first case. I would say in the range of 400 000 infected conservatively and capable of doubling every 3 days.As I said, I do not speculate, that is napkin math that me and my colleagues in our lab have bounced around. Containment is not the goal of our government. Would be a catastrophic waste of resources, we have 0 effective treatment, only supportive care at this time. We need real world spread and symptomatic data.

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I explained earlier r0 is NOT a static number. It is easily manipulated by many variables.

It is a measurement of infection to other viable hosts. In a situation like a cruise ship, r0 values can easily be skewed as it is a floating culture for virii.

Hence the presence of trained medical teams on ALL cruise ships.

Do not let cruise ships skew data. It will provide accurate info on all things except r0.

Due to the fact we cannot be certain if 1 person started the spread, or 10, or 20.

-001

It was one of the first treatments tested. Minimal effect to the virus. It continued unabated in its growth.

It handles natural viruses well. This virus exhibits outside manipulation.

-001

Without a doubt there is asymptomatic and mild cases present here in the US.

The likely hood of contracting influenza at the same time is dependant on if its currently an issue near you.

It would cause serious issues in my opinion to be infected with both.

-001

As I have said and even biorxiv states.

Ace2 is entry.Does not directly correlate to the virus severity or any other characteristics.

Also, we dont have enough spread data to verify this is the only entry point. If you reference the fact that SARS used the SAME ACE2 cells aa entry, but infected far less and much slower, you would see this theory as incorrect/skewed.

Stop with this asian only, it is merely a myth that you have attempted to rationalize without the education required to understand the meaning of what these reports state.

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In my opinion it is part of Universal Vac program for endemic virii that are common to their area. Hence coronavirus.

Here in the US, we are engaged in the same programs, but for all influenza.

It exhibits proteins that have below a 0.1% chance of naturally occuring indicating that it was manipulated at some point.

To the angle of asian only, I have said it is possible. But you need to understand DNA is so diverse now worldwide, that being able to target a "race" is next to impossible. It would also be an extremely unreliable strain, meaning fast mutation rates, possibly voiding your targetted race. You just wouldnt use this route with a weaponized virus.

This is 101 in this field of work, speculative rumours and rationalization can make it easy to believe a ethnic bioweapon is easy, but it is one of the most difficult things to accomplish. There is no "pure" dna left.

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As stated, containment is not the goal of the administration. It is a vast waste of time and resources.

The goal is treatment and prevention. Hence why my lab and our sister lab are exploring current, experimental and possible new treatments.

Look at what it has cost China to NOT contain this.Kill rate and recovery is info my lab was not vetted on so I will not speculate. We dont do live testing here as of yet.

It is deadly if ignored or immuno compromised.
If healthy, it is still not to be taken lightly.

N100 in close proximity, outside 6-8ft, n95 is enough. Sanitize often and keep your hands off your damn face. Average human touches their face THOUSANDS of times a day.

Tyvek only if youre going to be contacting sweat/blood to be safe.

-001

As stated, no real data has come out of China or any Chinese labs.

Recovery is all speculative.

Based on what data is at hand, I see no reason to believe no one will recover. Will this damage you permanently? There is a possibility to retain lung damage for sure, your alveoli are delicate and scarring doesnt heal well in lung tissue.


Oncs treatment is found rather then using supportive methods, recovery will be a simple measure of availability of treatment.

At this time, in my opinion, will be a patient to patient situation.

Aa I have said before, the administration cannot reveal the full scope at play here. 330 million citizens, if 100 million riot due to fear, its game over. Finding treatment will not matter.

-001Expect no country that wants to be considered among the most powerful to provide accurate reporting at this time.

China was #1 and has fallen down. Now its a fumble play you are watching, who can hold the facade long enough.


It shows a habit of hiding from testing, and testing requires an accurate test vs strain. Due to its instability, I see no reason to believe it cannot mutate outside of what the tests are seeking.

Tests do not look for the whole sequences, but mere pieces. If say the piece the test looks for is mutated in a transmission, in theory, the new strain would now be invisible.

Exercise caution and give our government time to get their heads on this. They are not ignoring it like it looks.

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A vaccination will take a long time here. I doubt this will result in that type of international law.

To vaccinate requires stability in the strain which is not yet present.

You would have to perform tasks like how influenza is handled. Infect pigs with ncov, allow mutation, vaccinate against that strain, and hope when it arrises again that you picked the right strain cause once it starts again, it will just begin mutating just as fast.

-001

The "middle" is the part that exhibits manipulation outside natures way of doing things. Thats what leads our labs to believe it was part of national uni vaccine program against all coronavirus'.

Whether he is genuine with other knowledge, I do not know, half of what he said was easily gathered by reading through lancet reports and recombinomic groups and then rewording. Not discrediting him in anyway.The CDC is allowing time for labs to get ahead. They are aware it is here, containment is NOT the goal. We want to get straight to treatment and prevention.

Containment means you all go in a fema camp and wait. Economy dies, people die, government is demonized forever.

They allowna few to die due to delayed testing, possibility of spread, but we find treatment? You hate the government for 3 months til some other topic arrises.

They are merely buying me and all my colleagues nationwide time to get ahead of the curve.
Once the cats out, its out. You cant take it back

-001

That is impossible considering it doesnt match any previous coronavirus in our nations database.. Its closest relative is a strain from Saudi, Sept 2019 our system says. Less then 73% matchup.

Exhibits outside manipulation.

Explain why your government would spend billions on the medical programs that keep my lab the is meant for TREATMENTS and prevention only, running?

Dont spread fear, its the last thing you want at this time.

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I wish I could verify my findings but like I said earlier. I signed 3 seperate ndas to be involved in this program. The only reason this info is here, is because I have been here as an AC for a very long time.

At this time, diet, hygiene, awareness and clear thoughts instead of panic are your best bets, yes.

We have not had substantial success with any treatment. We have only confirmed effective supportive methods of assisting patient stability.
No time line on treatment at this moment. They are not applying pressure as it usually results in low quality or fabricated results. You can only move science so fast.

That is a broad question. Has many variables, when was last contact with infected, is it present in system now, surfaces? Many things come into play. Only perform isolation when you are truly worried and I recommend in the range of 20-24 days.


Isolation leads to demoralization and depression which have severe implications on your realtime ability to fight infections. Your mindset plays an important part in all infections. Admitting defeat before it is reality is just as dangerous as the virus.

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Vaccination? No estimation due to not even considering it. Virus hasnt shown the stability required to do so. Can vaccinate next month if you want, but in theory, a mutated strain will infect you the moment you are exposed to it.

Treatment, it could be found any moment. Our labs are running tests 12 hrs a day and simulations at x100 realtime, 24-7. Everything is on the table here.

If we found treatment, I wouldnt have a clue as to length of time required for millions of doses. Depends on complexity of treatment I suppose.

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A consistent 1 month indoors with no outside contamination and if no new infection is occuring outside will suffice. 45 days to be dead certain.

Before things fail depends on you as the citizens and the administration. I hope to have all the time required, but the administration is playing coy due to the fear of riots when the admission comes that this is in fact highly infectious and poses a risk.

Its not the virus itself that is of severe concern, as even influenza can cause sudden deaths due to secondary reasons. Heart attack due to systemic stress and many others.
-001It is its infectious ability and the fear of it now that CCP has done an excellent job propagating to the West.

EVERYONE will rush the hospital out of fear, and those that do need care will not be noticed and will die.

Again, speculation is not what we do here but this is a unique time and unique virus at hand.

I say we have a mere month to find efficient means of treatment before things get risky due to the current strategy we are taking. (Playing coy to reduce public awareness to provide time)

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I told them this near 50 pages ago. It is not really possible to create an ethnic bioweapon in this age.

There is no "pure" dna in the the world to target.

They reference ace2, which was SARS sole entry route as well. It is evident that ACE2 is not the only route of entry due to rate of infection. It has surpassed sars in 1/10th of the time.

It should be painfully evident what is at hand but not everyone has the required education to understand what a virus truly is.


-001

Cytokine storm and fluid in lungs are both something that you will have no control over as they are direct effects of infection.

At this moment we are utilizing supportive methods for care. We have 0 methods to combat it at this time, nothing has been sent thru the channels we are using to communicate.

China hasnt reported any data on anything. They claimed to have success with remdesivir but we cannot replicate it in any way. Reasonable doubt they have any treatment either.

Your best bet is to keep a level head, stay in good spirits and well fed. If you experience fever, do your best to mediate the fever to allow your immune system to have relief as it will need it. The virus does target your lymphocytes and makes your level drop, contrary to what all other viruses except HIV do.No, the fever seems to be pre severe symptoms and carries on into the start of serious conditions. It is best to weaken it as fast as possible to allow your immune system to be even a little more prepared for what will follow the metaphorical "battering ram" of this virus.

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Im not attempting to keep any of you calm. Dont tarnish the info I have provided.

Explain to me with what data, are our labs supposed to perform work? From a culture dish? Or with the skewed ccp data only relayed through social media.

You seem to think that these things are just simply accomplished and dealt with overnight?

With an estimated r0 of less then 2.0 for INFLUENZA and we cant contain that even with a vaccine. And this is roughly 2.2 to 4+, explain containment that doesnt end in mass fema camp quarantine conditions under National security directives.


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First, Im not allowed free time? I spent 12 hrs and 33 minutes in lab today.

Verified over 73 treatment assessments personally and sifted through 303 hrs of simulated treatment runs thru AI.

As I told you, vaccines are for viruses that are stable. This is not stable, you cannot vaccinate against something that is as prone to mutation as this. It will literally be a placebo.

-001

That is for a strain of influenza which 19ncov bears no resemblance to in any manner.. take what you wish but atleast be aware.This was my fear in speaking up. I have been a member here in the for of an AC that I knew to expect this anyway.

People believe I am here to pacify you with information regarding the virus and how little knowledge we truly have.

Im telling you how little info we have and that we have no treatment, vaccination is not possible at this time and China is providing no real data.

Yet I am here to calm you by telling you that.

Lack of understanding always leads to fear and mistrust in man.

Ill be sticking around regardless but I will no longer be posting information or findings. It was a mistake to come here and risk my back for the people here that have grade 9 education. I have explained virology, microbiology, and lack of treatment in the case of 2019ncov and even clarified how it is next to impossible to create an ethnic bioweapon.

I did not claim to have all the answers. When you all bug out and I am still in the lab trying to save your family from this, keep this in mind you niave fools.

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Like I said. If you had education in this field, you would graso that r0 is a dynamic and situational number. Able to be change by environment quite easily.

You cough in a negative pressure room with a virus of r0 100, no one will get infected.

Cough in a room dense with people drinking and talking with a virus at r0 2.2-4? You will infect many.

Thanks for being a part of it all.

-001I am cranky. This is 2.5 days awake so far. It took me 4 days to work up the backbone to even speak here.

-001As I said. This is not weaponized. Its unstable and would be an unreliable weapon. But it exhibits human manipulation.

Mutation rate + manipulation = many strains possible.

Excellent material for universal vaccine programs like we have ongoing here.

-001It has taken me 19 years of continous education and hands on work to acquire the knowledge to even be part of the lab I work in.

There is no fathomable way of passing the knowledge easily.

But I see what you are saying, re the last paragraph. This is the first time I have done this and perhaps I am allowing too much emotion to come in.

I dont mean to demean or anything of that nature. I am attempting only to convey brutal honesty of this situation and the unfortunate lack of information ALL of us including our labs currently have on this situation.
 
Many seriously ill patients are asphyxiated by respiratory failure.

This makes me wonder about iron lungs that were used for polio back in the 50s. Are they even around anymore? Doubtful there would be many available even so and certainly not in the hundreds or thousands.
some of it does feel like a manufactured crisis, at least in the public sphere, and I wouldn’t be surprised if someone is already planning on taking advantage of it.
Yep - "Never let a good crisis go to waste!"
 
An American died in a Chinese hospital, now maybe others races will appear in the news as victims of this virus

First American Citizen Succumbs to Coronavirus in Wuhan, China


A US citizen has died in the Chinese city of Wuhan, in what appeared to be the first death of an American from the coronavirus outbreak, according to the New York Times.

“We offer our sincerest condolences to the family on their loss,” spokesman for the embassy said. “Out of respect for the family’s privacy, we have no further comment.”
According to reports, the American was about 60 years old, he died on Thursday.

The new strain of coronavirus – 2019-nCoV – was first detected in the Chinese city of Wuhan, located in the province of Hubei, in December and has since spread to more than 25 countries. In mainland China, the virus has already left 722 people dead and over 34,000 infected. Last week, the World Health Organization declared a global health emergency in light of the outbreak.

Last week, the World Health Organization declared a global health emergency in light of the outbreak.

Also a Japanese died.

Death of a Japanese man in China

A 60-year-old Japanese man, suspected of being contaminated by the coronavirus, also died in a hospital in Wuhan, the Japanese Foreign Ministry announced on Saturday.
The man, in his sixties, was hospitalized in Wuhan for acute viral pneumonia.

Chinese health authorities consider it highly likely that the new coronavirus was the cause of his death, although it is "difficult to make a definitive judgement," the ministry said in a statement.


I think it is a very serious problem we have, Houston. More serious then we think. But maybe I am paranoiac.
 
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