Here is a vaccine researcher responding for the virus. Sorry it's lengthy
Responding to the question of psyche effect from 2019 NCOV. Our current data doesnt suggest the virus itself will have any effect on mental stability, but let me be clear. This virus has shown us multiple times in lab and real world, that it mutates often. As well as the brain is a work of art that nobody fully understands. That is a coin toss in my opinion.
Second, responding to bugout etc. Bugging out is not my forte as I dont get that option. I will be one of the many in my field that has had that ability taken, my job is to prevent it getting to that point. But keep in mind, this virus has severe effects on the lungs as data is showing in ALL critical cases. Will you be one of the lucky to not require ventilator assistance or worse, ECOM? You will find none of that in your bugout kit. Weigh that decision on your own, no one in my field will provide you with help on this subject as we dont get that liberty.
This is a consistently evolving situation, and unless government intelligence agencies are willing to provide labs with data from patients in China that have died from this virus directly, not secondarily, we cant go off speculating. That is not how my industry runs and that is why the WHO will not speak unconfirmed facts.
Yes, I have been a member here a very long time in the form of an AC. I love a good theory (conspiracy or not) but dont discredit the WHO fully, but instead take their words with a grain of salt and think of their stance.
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As I stated before. If they reveal everything all at once, mass panic due to speculation and rumors will make ALL efforts of treatment and prevention absolutely meaningless.
Due to the simple fact that there is a vast amount of people that will just lose their minds and riot.
How would the work I am doing be of any good if the population is busy robbing, raping and screaming? Please dont be niave. If it was a cover up, I would not be working on this current strain of coronavirus nor looking for treatments. They would ignore it entirely.
-001We do not assume in my industry. That does not bring a repeatable result.
The administration may assume until they are advised differently. Keep in mind, your faces on tv are not heavily educated in every topic that arises in running a country.
The makeup of this strain exhibits manipulation from outside natures natural routes. Does that mean it was weaponized? Not exactly so.
China is involved in the same programs all other countries capable of doing so are involved in. Universal vaccines, you receive one, you prevent all. Does that mean this strain is part of it? No, but it is a high possibility due to the fact coronaviruses is what is most common for their population.
Here in North America, we are involved in uni vac program for influenzas.
There is much info out there to parse through to get a more educated outlook on this, do not run only off what you read. Educate yourself on ALL possibilities.
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Not for certain no, r0 is merely a measure of infection. Meaning if it mutates into a strain easier to transmit, then it will therefore raise the r0. No virus can have two r0s. That is like having 1+1=1 and 2. It just doesnt happen.
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Race specific viruses are extraordinarily difficult to culture. Dna is so diverse now, it would be hard to target a specific face. Impossible? No
But you also must account for the consistency of said virus. Manipulating a virus outside its natural routes reduces stability, resulting in unreliable results in the real world. You may end up having the barrel pointed at you instead of your target. The ideal virus to be weaponized is a reliable, quiet virus with a subtle death so as not to bring attention. You wouldnt venture past the first discussion of weaponizing a virus, without ensuring vaccination availability first. Viruses are notorious for their ability to mutate, more so as your r0 gets higher.To answer the "when to isolate" question is not easy and I would not hazard giving incorrect info to the very thread Im attempting to educate.
I have provided information over the last 10 or so pages that although I have no way to prove due to what I had to do to be part of this program, that should be helpful to all of you and educational.
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Isolation is hard to equate due to human nature. You are in fear of this virus as much as the next. But its an invisible enemy.
Your literal best practices are hygiene, avoiding ANY you feel may be sick and your diet. At this moment, no treatment has been all that effective in our lab testing. All treatment in hospital will be SUPPORTIVE, not COMBATIVE.
Isolation is a great idea, but when to do so? Who knows, incubation has been shown from 1 day to 6 wks, evident in the 2nd BC case in Canada. Keep yourself healthy and if you smoke, I would advise you stop for the time being. Take up gum.
If you need reasoning, educate yourself on available case studies by my colleagues at Lancet, showing ground glass opacity and other lung damage early in virus onset. The main target of this virus is lower respiratory tract. Dont aid its job with tobacco. Pick up a vape if you MUST have abate your addiction.
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That is yet to be seen in our tests here, if you are implying reinfection due to mutation. It does mutate faster then viruses we have seen emerge from the coronavirus family. But, like all viruses, mutations go both ways. It could become better or worse at its job.
But I dont speculate much due to how long I have been in this field. It is in the realm of possibilities that you can be reinfected, but the main ability of this virus is the fact it is NOVEL. No immune system has seen this, so it enters un-noticed and unabated. Would secondary reinfection be as risky as the first run? That is unseen yet and unfortunately as dark as this is, we need it to happen in order for clearer data as we have next to NOTHING from China.
Excuse them, the human mind is predisposed to find any reason for it to survive. That is its whole purpose. It will rationalize anything and everything in order to comfort itself.———
Answering incubation/symptoms etc.
Incubation is very vague with this novel virus. It seems to be earliest of 1 day to 6 wks so far. We have no real hard data from China to base an incubation on. They are terrified and unorganized there now, next to no labs online and sharing info.
Symptoms are what you have been warned to watch for, they will be subtle and minor based on what we have seen. But you will notice a shortness of breath VERY fast, that is not common. You WILL know if you have this. In critial cases it commonly causes what is called "ground glass opacity", as I stated before. Research it and you will have a clearer picture.
But symptoms to time of death is another vague area due to how your body works. The moment this virus begins causing damage/symptoms, your immune system will begin acting. Some will experience severe issues due to over reaction (commonly called a cytokine storm), some systems will do their job and slow this and in the unlucky few, it will notice nothing, allowing this to rupture majority of alveoli, hence why ecom (oxygen through dialysis to make it easy to grasp) is required in the life threatening cases.
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Ok I understand the hatred. But explain to me this.
They reveal that there is no containment intended, this is a novel virus and NO one has immunity. It has a chance to end your life, and it is highly infectious, so more will die due to medical service overloading.
Now youre all rioting, and my lab finds effective treatment or a way to prevent it harming you to the point of death.
How do you stop the rioting and organize and now hostile population? You dont. You call in FEMA under national security protocols who will be authorized to use lethal force to tame the situation.
No, do not go into panic mode.
That is a one off case which may be explainable by infection thru fomites.
This is why information is not poured out on national tv broadcasts. Riots wouldve began there.
Most common by available data is 15 days and under from infection.
But as stated, Chinese labs are not providing sufficient data on this outbreak nor is their government. So a true incubation is hard to discern and many things impact incubation. How healthy you are, your diet, sleep, many many variables.
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Two r0s in one virus would be unheard of, and unseen in our lab tests as well. It would have to be two seperate viruses, one of two would obviously have to be invisible thru all testing procedures. Which unless someone is roughly 50 years ahead of military labs, is not going to be a reality.
Relax.
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As I said before. The stark reality of viruses, requires spread before true knowledge can be gained. Containment is not the goal at this time, as we dont believe it is possible without extreme blowbacks from stoppage of EVERYTHING.
We require spread to happen before prevention can happen. Inbetween spread and prevention is what my lab has been tasked with. So far, no effective methods have been found, minor effectiveness is shown with antivirals, but only in late stages of infection where it is of no use. We need to advance knowledge in detection in order for treatment to be effective as well. Just know the government is serious about this, the directives we are under are not used during influenza or even the bird flu scare in the past.It would be unstable if made to do so and too risky to the party who designed it. Your target would have to ALL be the same blood type for it to be of use.
Maybe in a solo target situation? Sure
Mass target? Wrong route of doing so.
Mass target weapons do not have race, blood type or anything like this in design. They are designed with their vaccine side by side and only deployed to bsl4's and the field when sufficient amount of vaccination is prepared.
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I will be back. Errands to run. I will speak more on return
I recommend any who missed my info to scour previous pages and read.
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No not only military can make a virus. But I assure you, the technology to make a virus capable of hiding an entire secondary virus inside with different characteristics is not only unavailable to the public, but completely beyond your budget and education level to utilize considering it involves things I do not even understand after 19 years in this field and continous schooling.
In my field of work, "God" or nature, does not hide things. It works in absolutes. Man works in the way of hiding things.
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Not for certain no, r0 is merely a measure of infection. Meaning if it mutates into a strain easier to transmit, then it will therefore raise the r0. No virus can have two r0s. That is like having 1+1=1 and 2. It just doesnt happen.
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There is a very valid reason that cases confirmed went up so little, but suspected made its biggest jump in days.
They are simply attempting to keep WHO and CDC from pushing so hard to get in.
Dont be so quick to believe CCP numbers when I still cannot get any data from a single lab in China after multiple requests for cases studies I know for a fact are being performed.
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ACE2 only correlates with the viruses entry in 100% of my tests in lab. Has no direct effect on what it does to your system after entry.
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Like I stated in pages 2170-2190, this virus has similar makeup to a strain that appeared in Saudi in Sept. Not 100% match in any tests, but heavy similarities.
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The Presidency comes with many things, one of which being full control if needed. Only requires a single signature by his pen.
Same signature that signed the directives our labs are following here in the US.
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I posted many times from 2170-2190 pages. Refer there, I shared much info here with everyone. I explained many things ranging from viral manipulation causing instability, the "asian only" idea and many others.
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I believe your absolutely correct. The liberal mind will be the death of us. States will have to act accordingly.
If you had influenza and ncov, you would know, trust me. You would more then likely be critical, possibly suffering from sepsis and be delusional.
As I have said previously, containment is NOT the goal at this time. The r0 is higher then influenza, which as you know itself is uncontainable.
Treatment and prevention is the goal. Vaccination is long way out due to the virus' instability/mutation rate.
Corona aids? It is all one virus at this time, the virus will not give you AIDS. It does contain proteins from HIV responsible for decimating your immune system which is why sepsis is an issue present with 19NCOV.
Another thing for you to eye from now on, is cadaveric spasms at death. Which is why alot of the deceased from this virus are stiff immediately. That is a direct effect of the viruses extreme effects on some patients systems.
Data needs to be acquired that ONLY real world spread can provide labs. Unless China becomes non-communist overnight, that data will not be provided from them.
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Its a possibility influenza may hinder ncov. But due to the proteins present from HIV, it will decimate vulnerable immune systems, quickly allowing one of the two to cause sepsis, among other severe outcomes.
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Above is ccp party correlating with what I stated, that cytokine storms (immune sytem overload), are very common in ALL crit cases.
I do not speculate due to 19 yrs in a field of work that requires you to deal in certainties.
If I was to venture outside my mindset and guess, I would be conservative and say as of today, basing infection at an r0 of 2 (to be conservative) and Dec 1st as the first case. I would say in the range of 400 000 infected conservatively and capable of doubling every 3 days.As I said, I do not speculate, that is napkin math that me and my colleagues in our lab have bounced around. Containment is not the goal of our government. Would be a catastrophic waste of resources, we have 0 effective treatment, only supportive care at this time. We need real world spread and symptomatic data.
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I explained earlier r0 is NOT a static number. It is easily manipulated by many variables.
It is a measurement of infection to other viable hosts. In a situation like a cruise ship, r0 values can easily be skewed as it is a floating culture for virii.
Hence the presence of trained medical teams on ALL cruise ships.
Do not let cruise ships skew data. It will provide accurate info on all things except r0.
Due to the fact we cannot be certain if 1 person started the spread, or 10, or 20.
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It was one of the first treatments tested. Minimal effect to the virus. It continued unabated in its growth.
It handles natural viruses well. This virus exhibits outside manipulation.
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Without a doubt there is asymptomatic and mild cases present here in the US.
The likely hood of contracting influenza at the same time is dependant on if its currently an issue near you.
It would cause serious issues in my opinion to be infected with both.
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As I have said and even biorxiv states.
Ace2 is entry.Does not directly correlate to the virus severity or any other characteristics.
Also, we dont have enough spread data to verify this is the only entry point. If you reference the fact that SARS used the SAME ACE2 cells aa entry, but infected far less and much slower, you would see this theory as incorrect/skewed.
Stop with this asian only, it is merely a myth that you have attempted to rationalize without the education required to understand the meaning of what these reports state.
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In my opinion it is part of Universal Vac program for endemic virii that are common to their area. Hence coronavirus.
Here in the US, we are engaged in the same programs, but for all influenza.
It exhibits proteins that have below a 0.1% chance of naturally occuring indicating that it was manipulated at some point.
To the angle of asian only, I have said it is possible. But you need to understand DNA is so diverse now worldwide, that being able to target a "race" is next to impossible. It would also be an extremely unreliable strain, meaning fast mutation rates, possibly voiding your targetted race. You just wouldnt use this route with a weaponized virus.
This is 101 in this field of work, speculative rumours and rationalization can make it easy to believe a ethnic bioweapon is easy, but it is one of the most difficult things to accomplish. There is no "pure" dna left.
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As stated, containment is not the goal of the administration. It is a vast waste of time and resources.
The goal is treatment and prevention. Hence why my lab and our sister lab are exploring current, experimental and possible new treatments.
Look at what it has cost China to NOT contain this.Kill rate and recovery is info my lab was not vetted on so I will not speculate. We dont do live testing here as of yet.
It is deadly if ignored or immuno compromised.
If healthy, it is still not to be taken lightly.
N100 in close proximity, outside 6-8ft, n95 is enough. Sanitize often and keep your hands off your damn face. Average human touches their face THOUSANDS of times a day.
Tyvek only if youre going to be contacting sweat/blood to be safe.
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As stated, no real data has come out of China or any Chinese labs.
Recovery is all speculative.
Based on what data is at hand, I see no reason to believe no one will recover. Will this damage you permanently? There is a possibility to retain lung damage for sure, your alveoli are delicate and scarring doesnt heal well in lung tissue.
Oncs treatment is found rather then using supportive methods, recovery will be a simple measure of availability of treatment.
At this time, in my opinion, will be a patient to patient situation.
Aa I have said before, the administration cannot reveal the full scope at play here. 330 million citizens, if 100 million riot due to fear, its game over. Finding treatment will not matter.
-001Expect no country that wants to be considered among the most powerful to provide accurate reporting at this time.
China was #1 and has fallen down. Now its a fumble play you are watching, who can hold the facade long enough.
It shows a habit of hiding from testing, and testing requires an accurate test vs strain. Due to its instability, I see no reason to believe it cannot mutate outside of what the tests are seeking.
Tests do not look for the whole sequences, but mere pieces. If say the piece the test looks for is mutated in a transmission, in theory, the new strain would now be invisible.
Exercise caution and give our government time to get their heads on this. They are not ignoring it like it looks.
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A vaccination will take a long time here. I doubt this will result in that type of international law.
To vaccinate requires stability in the strain which is not yet present.
You would have to perform tasks like how influenza is handled. Infect pigs with ncov, allow mutation, vaccinate against that strain, and hope when it arrises again that you picked the right strain cause once it starts again, it will just begin mutating just as fast.
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The "middle" is the part that exhibits manipulation outside natures way of doing things. Thats what leads our labs to believe it was part of national uni vaccine program against all coronavirus'.
Whether he is genuine with other knowledge, I do not know, half of what he said was easily gathered by reading through lancet reports and recombinomic groups and then rewording. Not discrediting him in anyway.The CDC is allowing time for labs to get ahead. They are aware it is here, containment is NOT the goal. We want to get straight to treatment and prevention.
Containment means you all go in a fema camp and wait. Economy dies, people die, government is demonized forever.
They allowna few to die due to delayed testing, possibility of spread, but we find treatment? You hate the government for 3 months til some other topic arrises.
They are merely buying me and all my colleagues nationwide time to get ahead of the curve.
Once the cats out, its out. You cant take it back
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That is impossible considering it doesnt match any previous coronavirus in our nations database.. Its closest relative is a strain from Saudi, Sept 2019 our system says. Less then 73% matchup.
Exhibits outside manipulation.
Explain why your government would spend billions on the medical programs that keep my lab the is meant for TREATMENTS and prevention only, running?
Dont spread fear, its the last thing you want at this time.
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I wish I could verify my findings but like I said earlier. I signed 3 seperate ndas to be involved in this program. The only reason this info is here, is because I have been here as an AC for a very long time.
At this time, diet, hygiene, awareness and clear thoughts instead of panic are your best bets, yes.
We have not had substantial success with any treatment. We have only confirmed effective supportive methods of assisting patient stability.
No time line on treatment at this moment. They are not applying pressure as it usually results in low quality or fabricated results. You can only move science so fast.
That is a broad question. Has many variables, when was last contact with infected, is it present in system now, surfaces? Many things come into play. Only perform isolation when you are truly worried and I recommend in the range of 20-24 days.
Isolation leads to demoralization and depression which have severe implications on your realtime ability to fight infections. Your mindset plays an important part in all infections. Admitting defeat before it is reality is just as dangerous as the virus.
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Vaccination? No estimation due to not even considering it. Virus hasnt shown the stability required to do so. Can vaccinate next month if you want, but in theory, a mutated strain will infect you the moment you are exposed to it.
Treatment, it could be found any moment. Our labs are running tests 12 hrs a day and simulations at x100 realtime, 24-7. Everything is on the table here.
If we found treatment, I wouldnt have a clue as to length of time required for millions of doses. Depends on complexity of treatment I suppose.
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A consistent 1 month indoors with no outside contamination and if no new infection is occuring outside will suffice. 45 days to be dead certain.
Before things fail depends on you as the citizens and the administration. I hope to have all the time required, but the administration is playing coy due to the fear of riots when the admission comes that this is in fact highly infectious and poses a risk.
Its not the virus itself that is of severe concern, as even influenza can cause sudden deaths due to secondary reasons. Heart attack due to systemic stress and many others.
-001It is its infectious ability and the fear of it now that CCP has done an excellent job propagating to the West.
EVERYONE will rush the hospital out of fear, and those that do need care will not be noticed and will die.
Again, speculation is not what we do here but this is a unique time and unique virus at hand.
I say we have a mere month to find efficient means of treatment before things get risky due to the current strategy we are taking. (Playing coy to reduce public awareness to provide time)
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I told them this near 50 pages ago. It is not really possible to create an ethnic bioweapon in this age.
There is no "pure" dna in the the world to target.
They reference ace2, which was SARS sole entry route as well. It is evident that ACE2 is not the only route of entry due to rate of infection. It has surpassed sars in 1/10th of the time.
It should be painfully evident what is at hand but not everyone has the required education to understand what a virus truly is.
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Cytokine storm and fluid in lungs are both something that you will have no control over as they are direct effects of infection.
At this moment we are utilizing supportive methods for care. We have 0 methods to combat it at this time, nothing has been sent thru the channels we are using to communicate.
China hasnt reported any data on anything. They claimed to have success with remdesivir but we cannot replicate it in any way. Reasonable doubt they have any treatment either.
Your best bet is to keep a level head, stay in good spirits and well fed. If you experience fever, do your best to mediate the fever to allow your immune system to have relief as it will need it. The virus does target your lymphocytes and makes your level drop, contrary to what all other viruses except HIV do.No, the fever seems to be pre severe symptoms and carries on into the start of serious conditions. It is best to weaken it as fast as possible to allow your immune system to be even a little more prepared for what will follow the metaphorical "battering ram" of this virus.
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Im not attempting to keep any of you calm. Dont tarnish the info I have provided.
Explain to me with what data, are our labs supposed to perform work? From a culture dish? Or with the skewed ccp data only relayed through social media.
You seem to think that these things are just simply accomplished and dealt with overnight?
With an estimated r0 of less then 2.0 for INFLUENZA and we cant contain that even with a vaccine. And this is roughly 2.2 to 4+, explain containment that doesnt end in mass fema camp quarantine conditions under National security directives.
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First, Im not allowed free time? I spent 12 hrs and 33 minutes in lab today.
Verified over 73 treatment assessments personally and sifted through 303 hrs of simulated treatment runs thru AI.
As I told you, vaccines are for viruses that are stable. This is not stable, you cannot vaccinate against something that is as prone to mutation as this. It will literally be a placebo.
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That is for a strain of influenza which 19ncov bears no resemblance to in any manner.. take what you wish but atleast be aware.This was my fear in speaking up. I have been a member here in the for of an AC that I knew to expect this anyway.
People believe I am here to pacify you with information regarding the virus and how little knowledge we truly have.
Im telling you how little info we have and that we have no treatment, vaccination is not possible at this time and China is providing no real data.
Yet I am here to calm you by telling you that.
Lack of understanding always leads to fear and mistrust in man.
Ill be sticking around regardless but I will no longer be posting information or findings. It was a mistake to come here and risk my back for the people here that have grade 9 education. I have explained virology, microbiology, and lack of treatment in the case of 2019ncov and even clarified how it is next to impossible to create an ethnic bioweapon.
I did not claim to have all the answers. When you all bug out and I am still in the lab trying to save your family from this, keep this in mind you niave fools.
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Like I said. If you had education in this field, you would graso that r0 is a dynamic and situational number. Able to be change by environment quite easily.
You cough in a negative pressure room with a virus of r0 100, no one will get infected.
Cough in a room dense with people drinking and talking with a virus at r0 2.2-4? You will infect many.
Thanks for being a part of it all.
-001I am cranky. This is 2.5 days awake so far. It took me 4 days to work up the backbone to even speak here.
-001As I said. This is not weaponized. Its unstable and would be an unreliable weapon. But it exhibits human manipulation.
Mutation rate + manipulation = many strains possible.
Excellent material for universal vaccine programs like we have ongoing here.
-001It has taken me 19 years of continous education and hands on work to acquire the knowledge to even be part of the lab I work in.
There is no fathomable way of passing the knowledge easily.
But I see what you are saying, re the last paragraph. This is the first time I have done this and perhaps I am allowing too much emotion to come in.
I dont mean to demean or anything of that nature. I am attempting only to convey brutal honesty of this situation and the unfortunate lack of information ALL of us including our labs currently have on this situation.
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