Coronavirus Pandemic: Apocalypse Now! Or exaggerated scare story?

[angelburst29]

This announcement by Pompeo is a surprising development?

U.S. announces aid for China, other countries impacted by coronavirus
The United States stands ready to spend up to $100 million to assist China and other countries impacted by coronavirus, U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo announced on Friday.

“This commitment – along with the hundreds of millions generously donated by the American private sector – demonstrates strong U.S. leadership in response to the outbreak,” Pompeo said in a statement.

He said the U.S. government’s commitment would be met through existing funds “both directly and through multilateral organizations.”

Stephen Biegun, deputy secretary of state, told a media briefing that the funding would help support response efforts by the World Health Organization.

Biegun said the United States has also sent nearly 17.8 tons of medical supplies to China, including masks, gowns and other protective gear.

Secretary of Health and Human Services Alex Azar said the United States has submitted names of U.S. experts to the WHO for inclusion in a WHO delegation of experts to assist China with the outbreak response.

“This is a matter for Chinese leadership to make the final decision. We feel very optimistic that will happen,” he said.

Azar said so far the response in the United States is being covered through $105 million in funding through the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

HHS last week sent Congress notice that it might transfer an additional $136 million from other HHS programs. In the briefing, Azar said no decision had yet been made to authorize any additional funds and said it was “premature” to ask Congress for additional funds to support the outbreak response.

Earlier on Friday, U.S. Vice President Mike Pence told Fox Business Network that the threat to the United States from the virus remained low and praised China for demonstrating “an unprecedented level of transparency” over the outbreak.

“President Trump took decisive and unprecedented action cancelling air flights, limiting access to this country from people coming from China now a week ago, and we continue to believe that the threat to the American public is low,” he said.

Pence said Trump had told Chinese President Xi Jinping in a telephone call on Thursday evening that the United States was ready to help via the WHO.

“The loss of life, the coronavirus that is impacting people of China, and fortunately, a small number of people in the United States to date is heartbreaking. But we stand ready to work with China to provide them any and all support,” Pence said.

 

[MK Scarlett]

German researchers made studies to know how long can the coronavirus survive on surfaces outside of a human host. Here is their answer:

New Research Reveals Coronavirus Can Remain Infectious For As Long As 9 Days On Surfaces!

On The World Health Organisation’s website, they say that the coronavirus can survive maybe between 3 up to 5 hours on surfaces without giving any references to any previous scientific studies or submitting any scientific evidence.

A few so called experts in the US and Europe said publicly that the coronavirus cannot survive on doorknobs or elevator buttons.

To dispel all the fake news and unreliable information online even from so call viral experts and health organizations, a team of researchers from Greifswald and Bochum in Germany has compiled all published data that are known to researchers today and along with meta-analysis, and published them in the Journal of Hospital Infection on 6 February 2020.

As there is no specific treatment or cure for the coronavirus so far, the prevention of infection is of particular importance in order to stem the epidemic.

Similar to all respiratory and all droplet infections, the virus can spread via hands and surfaces that are frequently touched.

Professor Dr Günter Kampf from the Institute of Hygiene and Environmental Medicine at the Greifswald University Hospital told Thailand Medical News, "In hospitals, these can be door handles, for example, but also call buttons, bedside tables, bed frames and other objects in the direct vicinity of patients, which are often made of metal or plastic."

An infected person is basically able to contaminate any surface that he comes into contact with in any place or location.

Along with Professor Dr Eike Steinmann, head of the Department for Molecular and Medical Virology at Ruhr-Universität Bochum (RUB),the two researchers has compiled comprehensive findings from 22 studies on coronaviruses and their inactivation for a future textbook.

Dr Eike Steinmann added, "Under the circumstances, the best approach was to publish these verified scientific facts in advance, in order to make all information available at a glance."

The coronaviruses can stay infectious on surfaces for up to nine days!

The detailed evaluated studies, which focus on the pathogens Sars coronavirus and Mers coronavirus, clearly indicated that that the viruses can persist on surfaces and remain infectious at room temperature for up to nine days.

These coronaviruses on average, can survive between four and five days but with the right temperature and humidity can survive up to a maximum of nine days.

Dr Kampf added, "Low temperature and high air humidity further increase their lifespan."

Detailed tests with various disinfection solutions showed that agents based on ethanol, hydrogen peroxide or sodium hypochlorite and also ozone are effective against coronaviruses.

It was observed that if these chemicals are applied in appropriate concentrations, they reduce the number of infectious coronaviruses by four so-called log steps within one minute: this means, for example, from one million to only 100 pathogenic particles. If preparations based on other active ingredients are used, the product should be proven to be at least effective against enveloped viruses ("limited virucidal activity").

Dr Günter Kampf explained, "As a rule, this is sufficient to significantly reduce the risk of infection."

Research findings applicable to 2019-CoV

The virology experts say that the results from the analyses of other coronaviruses are transferable to the novel virus.

"Different coronaviruses besides the SARS and MERS coronaviruses were analysed, and the results were all similar, as all viruses from this family exhibited similar characteristics as far as its activity on surfaces are concerned." concludes Dr Eike Steinmann.

The public has to be armed with this new fact about coronaviruses in order to stop the spread of the disease and also to exert more caution.

For more updates about the China coronavirus epidemic or the Thailand Coronavirus scenario, keep on checking at: Thailand Coronavirus News - Thailand Medical News

Reference : Günter Kampf et al. Persistence of coronaviruses on inanimate surfaces and its inactivation with biocidal agents, Journal of Hospital Infection (2020). DOI: 10.1016/j.jhin.2020.01.022

 

[jsf]

Peng: Based on my clinical observations, this disease is highly contagious, but the mortality rate is low. Those that progressed into the life-threatening stage often occurred in the elderly already with chronic diseases.


As of Jan 28, of 138 cases, 36 were in the ICU, 28 recovered, five died. That is to say, the mortality rate of patients with severe conditions was 3.6 per cent. Yesterday (Feb 3), another patient died, bringing the mortality rate to 4.3 per cent. Given patients in the ICU, it is likely to have more deaths. The mortality rate is also likely to edge up but not significantly.


Those hospitalised tend to have severe or life-threatening conditions. Patients with slight symptoms are placed in quarantine at home.

Reporter's Notebook: Life and death in a Wuhan coronavirus ICU

WUHAN (CAIXIN GLOBAL) - In the coronavirus epidemic, doctors on the front lines take on the greatest risk and best understand the situation. Peng Zhiyong, director of acute medicine at the Wuhan University South Central Hospital, is one of those doctors. Read more at straitstimes.com.

www.straitstimes.com

 

[MK Scarlett]

More from Thailand Medical News as they declare given numbers are not "credible" and are wilingly underestimated by "all online sites like WHO, John Hopkins etc are all fed data from the Chinese health authorities", as "none of them have actual coverage of the situation throughout China or have their personnel on ground". They also saiy that they will be breaking more detailed news about what's below in the next few days.

China Coronavirus: Massive Medical Blunders And Cover Ups, Dead 725, Infected 34,557, Critical 6,112, Globally More Than 316 Infected

On ground level, more cities have been under lockdown, spanning provinces like Zhejiang, Henan, Hunan, Chongqing, Jiangxi affecting close to 200 million people (most International media have not been covering on this as they depend on releases from wire agencies that get information from Chinese authorities who do not report these anymore as they do not want negative perceptions to erode confidence in their economy.)

This last sentence makes sense to me. Any other country would do the same, I guess.

As others has already stated before in this thread:

China’s reporting structure for the coronavirus which we have been mentioning for a long time over and over again is such that as long as a person is not tested, and whether they are dead, dying or in critical condition, they are not placed under the daily figures. Despite media reports released by China that they have set up a new testing facility that can test up to 2,000 individuals a day in Wuhan, our ground staff have discovered that this is not true and what is worst in that in all the new epicenters in the cities in the new provinces, the same issue of lack of test kits is prevalent.

There are now confirmed reports that many are dying in these cities and hospitals are overflowing with people being turned away just like in the early days of Wuhan.

The figures announced in the article according to a network of Chinese doctors seem rather conservative to the Website although Thailand Medical News agrees that they cannot at this point confirm the data and information received from this network:

there are an estimated 3,200 deaths so far throughout China with more than 91,000 actually confirmed infected from the coronavirus and about more than 320,000 suspected of being infected throughout China out of a population of 1.4 billion people. This figures are expected to triple by the end the first week of March.

Or how the Chinese would be used as guinea pigs to test possible treatments:

What is disturbing are new reports emerging that Chinese patients who are infected in Wuhan and other parts of Hubei are being used literally as “guinea pigs” for testing of drugs and procedures, in most cases without their consent and even knowledge.
[...]
Certain US and European pharma companies are also are aware of this and are actually taking advantage of the conditions to have many of their drugs tested in China during this crisis in exchange for monetary contributions. (Thailand Medical News will be breaking more detailed news about this in the next few days.)

Also, it is coming to light that many recent medical studies that have published in medical journals with regards to recent studies about the coronavirus are filled with flaws. (Thailand Medical News will also be covering on this in details in the next few days)

Adaptation of official statements as the facts of evidences come to light:

From day one, the public was told that human to human transmissions were not possible despite mounting cases each day and eventually the medical community conceded and said that it was indeed passed as such. The medical community also said that asymptomatic infected individuals could not pass the disease and yet later evidence emerged that it could.

We now have come across more contradictions to earlier claims about the coronavirus including some that are published online on sites by so called health organizations and will be publishing those new findings over the course of this weekend. (awaiting legal clearance from our lawyers)

 

[RedFox]

Answering the remark that someone, 39, suddenly went into cardiac arrest and died quickly. he say:

I have observed clinically that one-third of people will suffer from systemic inflammation, which is not specifically related to young people. The storm of inflammatory factors is only a theoretical concept. It manifests itself as systemic inflammation in the clinic, which leads to multi-organ failure and develops into a serious disease. In some patients, this process is very rapid and critical within 2-3 days.

Well, that's possibly a useful piece of information. Sounds like he's describing a cytokine storm.
We already know vitamin C potentially helps with this, here's a useful reminder of something else:

A comprehensive review of the many health benefits of smoking Tobacco -- Sott.net

Smoking is surely detrimental to one's health, right? People are often bombarded with warnings about the negative effects of smoking and are persuaded to quit by health authorities. It has even got to the point now where people are being deprived...

www.sott.net

The paper13 'Nicotine, an anti-inflammation molecule' deals with this topic extensively, explaining that "nicotine stimulation plays a key role in suppressing inflammatory cytokine production, can significantly down-regulate and delay inflammatory and autoimmune responses in the central nervous system, and could further attenuate neuro-inflammation. Nicotine-treated mice injected with lethal doses of influenza A virus infection also displayed longer survival rates when compared to control groups." The author finally states:

"These in vitro and in vivo results further confirmed the anti-inflammatory effect of nicotine. Our study offered the first evidence that the anti-inflammatory effect of nicotine in cigarette smoke might be the key contributor for the alleviation of the disease severity of both pdmH1N1 and H9N2 influenza A virus infection, and such anti-inflammatory effect was through the α7 nAChR signaling pathway."

All in all making sure you're inflammation is low (proper diet, sleep, no wifi exposure etc), and that your inflammatory responses are kept in check (or you have something on hand to calm them) would be part of a useful defense. osit

 

[Eulenspiegel]

This footage looks authentic, I wonder what they’re spraying. It seems like things are much more serious then the official story. An escaped bioweapon? How does that happen I wonder, a psychopath run amuck? What a nightmare scenario! Maybe this spraying is for mosquitos or something from a different stuation. We sure know to question everything these days.

Well, if those allegedly leaked numbers from Tencent are to be believed, the death toll so far really is far higher than stated officially. And I've never experienced or heard of planes spraying Chinese cities - they certainly wouldn't do that for mosquitos!
It certainly seems ominous and if true, suggests that the authorities are aware of the gravity of the situation.

 

[Michael B-C]

Latest video from Ice Age Farmer highlighting little known fact that the world, and especially US, totally dependent on China for pharmaceuticals - 80% of ingredients and 97% of antibiotics come from there. And following on from impact of swine fever (hitting production of drugs for heart surgery that depend on pig stomachs) there is a significant chance of shortages coming to US very soon. With 70% of Americans dependent on prescription drugs on a day-to-day basis and 1 in 6 dependent on psychiatric drugs that's a proper cocktail of a storm potentially brewing!

 

[SummerLite]

Well, if those allegedly leaked numbers from Tencent are to be believed, the death toll so far really is far higher than stated officially. And I've never experienced or heard of planes spraying Chinese cities - they certainly wouldn't do that for mosquitos!
It certainly seems ominous and if true, suggests that the authorities are aware of the gravity of the situation.

I totally agree, No doubt the government is downplaying the seriousness and number of people affected or dead and this video is quite alarming in showing that. The mosquito example was only in relation to if this spraying was done for other unknown purposes at an earlier time which would make this video disinformation. There isn't a source and we haven't seen or heard of other accounts of this happening. The spraying isn't being done by planes but on the ground. What ever it is hopefully it doesn't make people sicker.

 

[Eulenspiegel]

I hope they know what they're doing because as someone mentioned before, the combination of extremely high levels of air pollution, questionable water quality, tight living spaces and overworked people constantly bombared with 5g networks seems to create a environment viruses can thrive in, and chemicals just don't sound like the thing that would make that situation any better.

 

[SummerLite]

Ok, I had to see what I could find on the spraying, so It looks like bleach and "other" disinfectants according to this article. Funny, the link at the end says, Mosquitoes are the most dangerous creatures on Earth!

China is sending trucks to spray bleach on entire cities as the country struggles to contain the Wuhan coronavirus
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• The Wuhan coronavirus has sickened more than 28,000 people, and killed at least 565, with almost all of the deaths in China.
• Chinese cities have been scrambling to contain the virus, cleaning streets, railway stations, and people with disinfectants, including bleach.
• Public health and infection control experts say the cleaning resources would be better spent focusing on wiping down hospitals and markets, since coronaviruses do not live long on hard surfaces.
• Visit Business Insider's homepage for more stories.

Spray trucks, hoses, and bottles filled with household disinfectants like bleach are quickly being dispatched across China, as the country scrambles to control the outbreak of the novel coronavirus known as 2019-nCoV.
The deadly virus, which originated in the Chinese city of Wuhan in December, has so far sickened more than 28,000 people in 26 countries around the globe, and killed at least 565 people (with just two deaths reported so far outside mainland China.) See the rest of the story at Business Insider
NOW WATCH: Mosquitoes are the most dangerous creatures on Earth — should we kill them all?
See Also:

• The Wuhan coronavirus has spread to 26 countries. Here's how to protect yourself while traveling.
• Chinese doctors released chest scans of a 33-year-old coronavirus patient that show what the illness looks like in her lungs
• The WHO keeps sticking up for China as the coronavirus gets worse and experts paint a far darker picture

 

[JEEP]

Those that progressed into the life-threatening stage often occurred in the elderly already with chronic diseases.

Li Wenliang, a doctor who was among the eight people who tried to sound the alarm before the coronavirus infected many thousands and killed hundreds, has been diagnosed as someone infected with the coronavirus and is being treated at a hospital.

And tragically, Dr. Li Wenliang succumbed to the infection and died at age 34! Still worst, his pregnant wife may also be ill - don't know her status.

Li Wenliang, Chinese doctor who sounded alarm on coronavirus, dead from disease at 34 -- Sott.net

The Chinese doctor who tried to issue the first warnings about the deadly coronavirus outbreak in Wuhan — only to be reprimanded by police — died Thursday of the infection, officials said. "We're deeply saddened by the passing of Dr. Li...

www.sott.net

The United States stands ready to spend up to $100 million to assist China and other countries impacted by coronavirus, U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo announced on Friday.

Good intentions or bad?

Or how the Chinese would be used as guinea pigs to test possible treatments:

What is disturbing are new reports emerging that Chinese patients who are infected in Wuhan and other parts of Hubei are being used literally as “guinea pigs” for testing of drugs and procedures, in most cases without their consent and even knowledge.
[...]
Certain US and European pharma companies are also are aware of this and are actually taking advantage of the conditions to have many of their drugs tested in China during this crisis in exchange for monetary contributions. (Thailand Medical News will be breaking more detailed news about this in the next few days.)

As to the spraying of bleach and other disinfectants, it makes sense with the virus being infectious for 9 days on surfaces!

New Research Reveals Coronavirus Can Remain Infectious For As Long As 9 Days On Surfaces!

 

[Ellipse]

Professor Neil Ferguson, director of J-IDEA (Jameel Institute for Disease and Emergency Analytics) from the Imperial College London‌, estimate that the real number is 50.000 infections/days doubling each 5 days. (Feb 05 2020)

 

[AllFreq]

In Ecuador something strange happened. The Official channels reported a suspected case of coronavirus from a Chinese citizen who arrived from Hong Kong in end of January. They reported that sent the samples to Atlanta, after a week they said it was not a coronavirus, the next day they said it is not ruled out that it is coronavirus, then two weeks later confirmed that it was not a coronavirus and yesterday they reported that the patient had died. Very strange.

 

[flashgordonv]

An American died in a Chinese hospital, now maybe others races will appear in the news as victims of this virus



Also a Japanese died.




I think it is a very serious problem we have, Houston. More serious then we think. But maybe I am paranoiac.

The article describes their citizenship not their ethnicity. Both people could be ethnic Chinese, we don't know as they don't tell us

 

[Nević Nenad]

Is there yet reports of people who died or infected who are not of asian origin?