Coronavirus Pandemic: Apocalypse Now! Or exaggerated scare story?

[sToRmR1dR]

Some good news from India:

2 of 3 confirmed coronavirus patients in India RECOVERED from deadly illness

After declaring a regional health emergency over the novel coronavirus, two of the three confirmed patients in India's state of Kerala – the only known cases in the country – seem to have recovered from the illness.

www.rt.com

11 Feb, 2020

 

[MK Scarlett]

So far, the new coronavirus, dubbed 2019-nCoV, has led to more than 20,000 illnesses and 427 deaths in China, as well as more than 200 illnesses and two deaths outside of mainland China. But that's nothing compared with the flu, also called influenza. In the U.S. alone, the flu has already caused an estimated 19 million illnesses, 180,000 hospitalizations and 10,000 deaths this season, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

How does the new coronavirus compare with the flu?

Research so far indicates that COVID-19 spreads more easily and has a higher death rate than the flu.

www.livescience.com

I wonder if those numbers about deaths by the flu are accurate per se or if it could be any kind of manipulation of official numbers willingly increased to scare people into getting vaccinated, maybe for years now. I mean, they are from CDC, so isn't that possible?

Today, numbers about Coronavirus are announced to be about 43 112 infected, 1018 deaths, and 4127 recovered, according to WHO, CDC, ECDC, NHC and DXY.

In the past, in case of a mortal pandemic, people used to escape from the city and go to the countryside to avoid contamination. Today, people are held prisoner, willingly or not, in big cities of millions, and governments everywhere are applauding it as a wise and totally justifiable move.

Yes and over the history, it was not a certainty of avoiding contamination. Plus, according to the Major of the city, 5 millions of Wuhan inhabitants had left before the quarantine was implemented:
Where did they go? Millions left Wuhan before quarantine

Speaking to reporters a few days after the the city was put under quarantine, the mayor estimated that 5 million people had already left.

See also Analysis By Medical Researchers And Also Data From Tech Giant Baidu Indicates That The Coronavirus Situation Likely To Get Far Worse:

The researchers added, "It's in cities where people interact much more". That's potentially the worry of lots of people coming back in. A few people seeding that could result in a bigger problem."

But just with the existing data and also meta-analysis and feedback from ground doctors and researchers, it is estimated that close to at least 2 millions people are now carrying the coronavirus in China alone and by the end of February, with testing done, China will see massive spikes of confirmed infected rates and death rates.

Dr Ian Lipkin, a top global epidemiologists from the US who is also advising the Chinese government in handling the coronavirus epidemic in China and is one of the few foreigners on the ground in China, say that the lockdowns are not helping and that the situation is China is beyond any real possibility of containment. Furthermore unless real drastic actions are taken, and even then it might be too late, it is expected by the end of 2020, at least a third of the world population will be infected with the coronavirus.

By the way and FWIW, a bill has been submitted by the French senators of LAREM (Macron's party), aimed at strengthening health security by improving the prevention of contagious diseases and the care of people infected or exposed... Bill which has been sent to the Social Affairs Committee, subject to the possible setting up of a special committee under the conditions laid down in the Rules of Procedure. I just put two articles of the law below as the whole thing is too long; The one about the home detention and the one about the forced isolation in medical structure.

"Measures to evict and keep at home non-sick persons who have been in contact with one or more persons with a communicable disease
"Art. L. 3135-6. - In order to limit the spread of communicable diseases and to deal with an exceptional health situation, persons presenting a high risk of developing a communicable disease as a result of having been in contact with a sick person or having stayed in an area affected by an epidemic outbreak and in exposure conditions likely to transmit this disease because of its epidemiological characteristics may be subject to a measure of eviction and home detention.
[...]
"Art. L. 3135-12. - The patient placed in forced isolation is required to remain in the room allocated to him. He may only leave his room to receive care. He may receive visits under conditions that guarantee the protection of visitors' health. Visitors shall be required to comply strictly with any measures prescribed by the medical team. Subject to the provisions of the internal rules of the receiving health care organisation, the freedom of communication of a patient placed in involuntary isolation may not be interfered with.

So, I wonder... This proposition of law is also about prevention of mosquito-borne diseases, so it could be seen as a good thing in multiple cases: Safety first. But the very fact that this law is being proposed now leaves me dubious. Is there anyone at some level who knows something we don't?

 

[MK Scarlett]

By the way and FWIW, a bill has been submitted by the French senators of LAREM (Macron's party), aimed at strengthening health security by improving the prevention of contagious diseases and the care of people infected or exposed... Bill which has been sent to the Social Affairs Committee, subject to the possible setting up of a special committee under the conditions laid down in the Rules of Procedure. I just put two articles of the law below as the whole thing is too long; The one about the home detention and the one about the forced isolation in medical structure.

So, I wonder... This proposition of law is also about prevention of mosquito-borne diseases, so it could be seen as a good thing in multiple cases: Safety first. But the very fact that this law is being proposed now leaves me dubious. Is there anyone at some level who knows something we don't?

It seems that the British government already voted the same kind of law, as Michael Ryan, head of the WHO’s Health Emergencies Programme, declared today that:

The British government called the novel coronavirus a “serious and imminent threat”, and said anyone with the disease can now be forcibly quarantined if they are deemed a threat to public health as the number of cases in Britain doubled to eight.

On a symbolic meaning and about the case of the adult British citizen, "who caught the virus while attending a conference in Singapore and then passed it on to several compatriots while on holiday in the French Alps, before finally being diagnosed back in Britain" - after a visit to Mallorca where a person appears to have been infected by the same British citizen -, this latter was on holiday in Les Contamines-Montjoie ski resort. Note the CONTAMINE word and (in a much smaller symbolism) the MONTJOIE word as in Montjoie Saint Denis! which was the battle cry and the motto of the Kingdom of France during the Medieval period.

 

[sid]

A homeopathic preventative/treatment that has roused the anger of the mainstream community:

"Large scale studies of homeopathy have clearly shown over decades the same result—that it simply does not work,” he says."
But then, neither do vaccines! And considering how many people are apparently dying, has conventional treatment been that successful?

Homeopathy will definitely work against this virus but not Arsenic Album per se as per this article. And certainly not for all. Homeopathy is prescribed based on mental symptoms and childhood trauma in addition to physical symptoms. Since, each individual would have unique set of personal experiences and mental issues, the prescribed remedy will differ. This is the bit that most people get wrong especially the scientific community and detractors. Sometimes multiple remedies and potencies have to be tried as process of elimination. There is faith required in the process. Where have we heard the word, “faith” before?

Its not like taking a commonly available painkiller tablet to alleviate headaches - there is no permanent cure and people almost get addicted to them since the body keeps on building defenses to fight off the damage which then requires upping the potency. In the case of homeopathy, since the remedy differs for each patient and the cures are permanent and cheap, it cannot be exploited financially. Hence the detractors. Homeopathy has been deemed almost illegal in some countries. Its not like people are jumping out the windows wanting their homeopathy fix. Does that tell us something?

To add further, homeopathy doesn’t cure a disease per se rather it attacks the mental symptoms by going straight into the nervous system. Once mental symptoms are alleviated, the body automatically heals itself by shoring up its defenses i.e. the immune system. If your immune system is completely shot then homeopathy alone will not work though it would still accord you with greater defence than conventional medicine. And sometimes that little bit could be the difference between life and death.

Now, I have been closely following this thread and MSM and yet to see any drug which can cure this virus 100%. People who have recovered from infections have their immune systems to thank for, not doses of injections they might have received under care though they will perceive it to be the latter. Keeping your body healthy with high fat diet and taking in Vitamin C and melatonin supplements complemented with intermittent fasting to get rid of toxic wastes is the only way to keep your immune system strong. Thats your best defence against coronavirus or anything else that sticks its head out in near future.

 

[Lukasz]

FWIW - from Jim Stone's website:

China ALWAYS shuts down all manufacturing in February, every single year. Anyone who missed this point in alt or msm can't investigate a hole in a sock. And I'll be that harsh, if people in any form of media missed this reality of China they are followers and not a source.

He's also claiming:
I HAVE PROVEN NO ONE IN CHINA HAS SUCCEEDED IN POSTING ANYTHING TO THE WEB FOR THE PAST WEEK

He may be right that this outbreak has made it convenient to dispose of dissidents.

My friend works as a purchaser and is in contact with many Chinese suppliers on a daily basis. He says that it's not true that China always shuts down all manufacturing in February. They do it only for about two weeks to celebrate the Chinese New Year. And it usually occurs in January, not February.

It's also not true that the Chinese population is not accessing the internet and is not able to communicate. My friend says that they work as usual only from their homes and communicate as normal. All the factories will be closed till 17.02. The owners have to have special government permission to open it again, so he says that probably not all of the manufacturers will begin to operate on this date, but probably all of them would like to.

 

[loreta]

Homeopathy will definitely work against this virus but not Arsenic Album per se as per this article. And certainly not for all. Homeopathy is prescribed based on mental symptoms and childhood trauma in addition to physical symptoms. Since, each individual would have unique set of personal experiences and mental issues, the prescribed remedy will differ. This is the bit that most people get wrong especially the scientific community and detractors. Sometimes multiple remedies and potencies have to be tried as process of elimination. There is faith required in the process. Where have we heard the word, “faith” before?

Its not like taking a commonly available painkiller tablet to alleviate headaches - there is no permanent cure and people almost get addicted to them since the body keeps on building defenses to fight off the damage which then requires upping the potency. In the case of homeopathy, since the remedy differs for each patient and the cures are permanent and cheap, it cannot be exploited financially. Hence the detractors. Homeopathy has been deemed almost illegal in some countries. Its not like people are jumping out the windows wanting their homeopathy fix. Does that tell us something?

To add further, homeopathy doesn’t cure a disease per se rather it attacks the mental symptoms by going straight into the nervous system. Once mental symptoms are alleviated, the body automatically heals itself by shoring up its defenses i.e. the immune system. If your immune system is completely shot then homeopathy alone will not work though it would still accord you with greater defence than conventional medicine. And sometimes that little bit could be the difference between life and death.

Now, I have been closely following this thread and MSM and yet to see any drug which can cure this virus 100%. People who have recovered from infections have their immune systems to thank for, not doses of injections they might have received under care though they will perceive it to be the latter. Keeping your body healthy with high fat diet and taking in Vitamin C and melatonin supplements complemented with intermittent fasting to get rid of toxic wastes is the only way to keep your immune system strong. Thats your best defence against coronavirus or anything else that sticks its head out in near future.

Homeopathy cured certains pandemic in the past. Here is an article in French about this subject.

L'homéopathie, championne des épidémies des 200 dernières années.

And here it is in English :

Homeopathy During the Deadliest Epidemic Ever Recorded

It is just that it is no good if Homeopathy cures pandemic. Not good for Mr. Gates and his wife. And WHO, the criminal organisation.

I agree with you, every medication of Homeopathy is personal, unique. But I imagine that when a pandemic is there they have a medication for symptoms of a pandemic in general and used this during many pandemic situations.

So I am sure that there is a homeopathic solution against Corona. But who knows what can happen to someone who finds an homeopathic cure for Corona! 6 feet under?

 

[genero81]

So I will go over some points in the video @thorbiorn posted in case you don't have time to watch it. A couple of people were jailed in relation to this outbreak. The first is the doctor who first reported it and put it online in some form who's now dead at a young age. The CCP was claiming it was fake news or whatever so they arrested him. The second person arrested is just a citizen who snuck into a hospital and video recorded eight bodies being put into body bags supposedly in just five minutes worth of recording.

They talked about the new 'hospitals' that were so quickly constructed. They are not hospitals but quarantine buildings and people do not want to go in there. Because much like the 'Hotel California,' you check in but you don't check out. If you don't die from the disease, you may very well die from starvation.

They talked about the bio-weapons program in China and how China has the most lax restrictions of any country. This was most definitely created in a lab from a bat coronavirus that was engineered to cross over to humans. The very first cases had nothing to do with the seafood market. That was pure propaganda. And eating bat soup is not even something they do in China.

Just a quick outline. Lots of interesting information.

 

[Alejo]

Just saw this and thought, how right was Club when he said that you need the Cold War to disguise celestial intentions. Particularly with all the information that has been handled regarding the possible biological weapon origin of the disease.

Coronavirus Came From Meteor Which Hit China Last Year, Claims Scientist -- Sott.net

Coronavirus was carried into the Earth's atmosphere on a fragment of comet which spewed out "hundreds of trillions" of viral particles. Medics fear the disease, which can be spread before victims show any symptoms, could spark a global pandemic....

www.sott.net

 

[JEEP]

The latest:

BREAKING: Washington Doctors SUCCESSFULLY Treat Coronavirus Patient With Experimental Anti-Viral Medication — “Significantly” Improved In Hours (VIDEO)
February 10, 2020
The first person in the US to catch the coronavirus was successfully treated in Washington state and returned home late last week.
Dr. George Diaz, a section chief for infectious diseases at Providence Regional Medical Center Everett joined Arthel Neville on FOX News on Sunday morning to discuss the successful treatment of the center’s coronavirus patient.

Dr. George Diaz: About a week into his course he got worse developed pneumonia. At that point given the reports we had gotten out of China… At that point we elected to give him… the experimental Remdesivir, antiviral medication. And within 24 hours he improved significantly. This was quite encouraging and he improved and thereafter remained without fever and felt much better. Over the next few days he improved to where we thought he could be discharged at home under the care of the local health district.
Arthel Neville: And you said you used, I believe an experimental anti-viral medication, that you gave this patient. Can you apply this treatment to ALL people infected with the coronavirus or does it depend on the stage of their infection?
Dr. George Diaz: Yes, at this point the CDC has been working with the authorities in China and have recently opened a large clinical trial of Chinese patients looking at those with severe disease as well as those with mild to moderate disease. We are very much looking forward to the trials.

BREAKING: Washington Doctors SUCCESSFULLY Treat Coronavirus Patient with Experimental Anti-viral Medication — “Significantly” Improved in Hours (VIDEO)

Women Entertainment Sysytem

www.womensystems.com

Funny, it was considered unethical to do a clinical trial involving homeopathy, but an experimental anti-viral med is OK!

He says that perhaps the best way to validate the therapeutic value of homeopathy would be to perform a comparative clinical outcome study of acute coronaviral infection by giving individualized homeopathic medicines to one experimental group and allopathic medicines to another, with a minimum of 250 patients in each group. “A careful and honest, statistical analysis of the study results will speak the scientific truth,” he says.

Countering Fleisher’s proposal, Grimes says that this is completely unethical. “Homeopathy has no plausible mechanism of action, and it is downright irresponsible to suggest it in a trial for a serious potential pandemic. Large scale studies of homeopathy have clearly shown over decades the same result—that it simply does not work,” he says.

The real issue is homeopathy is dirt cheap compared to allopathic medicines - you won't get filthy rich using it.

People are dying needlessly: Orthomolecular treatments for coronavirus -- Sott.net

Why "needless" deaths from this threatening virus? Because doctors, health authorities, hospital administrators and politicians have not read history. Not even the Chinese! This week several members of the Orthomolecular Medicine News Service...

www.sott.net

 

[genero81]

Just saw this and thought, how right was Club when he said that you need the Cold War to disguise celestial intentions. Particularly with all the information that has been handled regarding the possible biological weapon origin of the disease.

In this case the evidence points much more strongly towards terrestrial origin. Watch the video Thorbiorn posted beginning at 28 minutes in.

 

[Skyfarmr]

Just saw this and thought, how right was Club when he said that you need the Cold War to disguise celestial intentions. Particularly with all the information that has been handled regarding the possible biological weapon origin of the disease.

Coronavirus Came From Meteor Which Hit China Last Year, Claims Scientist -- Sott.net

Coronavirus was carried into the Earth's atmosphere on a fragment of comet which spewed out "hundreds of trillions" of viral particles. Medics fear the disease, which can be spread before victims show any symptoms, could spark a global pandemic....

www.sott.net

Maybe not a meteor strike from last year, Alejo, but what about one from thousands of years ago which could have left its fallout on Tibetan glaciers?
Shortly before the coronavirus story broke, I recall a story about 15000-year-old viruses found in Tibetan glacier.

A close look at the newly cleaned ice cores revealed the presence of 33 groups of virus genera, 28 of which are not known to modern science. The researchers noted that the viruses they found in the cores from the two sites differed from one another, likely because they represented different points in time and thus differences in climate. They note that their work might grow in importance as the planet heats up due to global warming and melts glaciers, possibly unleashing deadly viruses.

I haven't been able to find any follow up on this finding as to the identification/classification of the 28 unknown viruses; it would be interesting, and would seem pertinent that these unknown viruses be identified and cross-referenced against the coronavirus.

As I started looking at the outbreak center and maps of rivers whose headwaters are in the Tibetan plateau, the Yangtze river seems a likely carrier of glacier meltwater as it passes through Chongqing, as well as Wuhan, both large cities with high infection rates. The outbreak center was reported to be in a Wuhan fish/seafood market. So, it seems probable, but without knowing the first cases' scenario, it would be difficult to claim Tibetan glaciers' as the source of the coronavirus. It would be helpful to know about cases in smaller rural villages up river on the Yangtze.

Below is a map of the Tibetan plateau's rivers and they all appear to empty into the Yangtze.

The next step in determining if there's any teeth to this idea, would be to find out where the glacier melt water sampling was done.

The following article contains a map of the Mingyong glacier on Mount Khawa-Karpo located just north and east of Myanmar. The Jinsha river, before it empties into Yangtze, is located on east side of glacier. On the westerly side of glacier, is the river Mekong which travels southward toward Thailand.
The World has a Third Pole and It's melting quickly

 

[Glenn]

I wonder if those numbers about deaths by the flu are accurate...

It seems that the death count is done by computer modeling based on assumptions, similar to how it is done for climate change. IOW, garbage in, garbage out. Or so it seems.

A reporter actually went out and tried to determine how flu deaths numbers were reached, and here is her report.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/flu-deaths-reality-check-1.1127442

How reliable are the computer model estimates? "I don't think they're reliable at all," Dr. Tom Jefferson told me. He is a Rome-based researcher with the Cochrane Collaboration, and he spends his days reviewing all the research on acute respiratory infections and vaccines. He said hard data on flu deaths "are difficult to get hold of for obvious reasons. So enter modelling, which is nothing more than guesswork, highly sensitive to the assumptions you feed into the model. 'Give me a model and I will make it say whatever you want,' a colleague of mine always repeats."

 

[United Gnosis]

it pops out that the easiest way to underline the cognitive dissonance for somebody laughing about homeopathy is to respond something like, 'oh, so you're telling me you don't believe in vaccines?'
After all, vaccines work on homeopathic principles. Executed poorly, but nevertheless.

 

[Ina]

It seems that the death count is done by computer modeling based on assumptions, similar to how it is done for climate change. IOW, garbage in, garbage out. Or so it seems.

A reporter actually went out and tried to determine how flu deaths numbers were reached, and here is her report.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/flu-deaths-reality-check-1.1127442

That reminds me of the time I used to play Plague Inc. Same models probably. :) Nevertheless very educational.

 

[Tuatha de Danaan]

Just a wild idea came to mind, with all we have been hearing about labs all over the world dealing with deadly viruses

A close look at the newly cleaned ice cores revealed the presence of 33 groups of virus genera, 28 of which are not known to modern science. The researchers noted that the viruses they found in the cores from the two sites differed from one another, likely because they represented different points in time and thus differences in climate. They note that their work might grow in importance as the planet heats up due to global warming and melts glaciers, possibly unleashing deadly viruses

Could their interest be from the discovery of above 28 unknown viruses which probably caused a general panic because nature was a few steps ahead of them. This, of course, would be of great interest to all countries. Was China excluded from this research.??? As I say, just a wild idea.