Coronavirus Pandemic: Apocalypse Now! Or exaggerated scare story?
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Seems like Putin was indeed playing the long game when he agreed to (cautious, limited) lockdown measures.
psychegram
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Asking ourselves WWCD is an extremely valuable reminder - not just to practice mercy and compassion, but to be virtuous in all ways.
One thing I owe this forum a debt of gratitude for is introducing me to the ideas of Francisco Carotta. That was several years ago, but it's only in the last few months that I really dived in, reading Goldsworthy's Caesar, Life of a Colossus, Carotta's Jesus Was Caesar, and now working my way through Caesar's own Commentaries.
To stay on-topic: WWCD in the current situtation?
Well, he would have placed as his first priority the well-being of the common people. Since he would have seen right through the deception, he would have known that the main threat to them was the over-reaction of the elite classes. But since he was also extremely politically sharp, he would have realized that just coming out and saying, "this is all stupid" would have been political suicide, as the elites would have been easily able to mobilize those they'd successfully hypnotized against him. So he would have pretended to think the viral crisis was real; while working to mitigate the worst effects of the lockdown; and positioning himself such that, when the hypnosis wore off as reality reasserted itself, he would be perceived as having done everything in his power to make sure people were fed and housed, while the psychopaths in the elite bore the full brunt of the public blame for the worst economic consequences of the lockdown.
In other words pretty much what Putin and Trump seem to be doing.
nature
Dagobah Resident
WIN 52
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The mark of the saved!
Like in the bible where during the time of Moses, the spared people had to have a mark on their dwelling in order to not lose the eldest son.
That sounds like a good idea @Mike, I think you should go for it! At the very least I bet it would be a great learning experience for you and anyone else who chooses to help you with the project.
Yes I'm sure there are potentially other side effects as well, I'm not suggesting that a vaccine might be "safe" or "good" in that it has 0 adverse effects and 100% positive effects, rather I was questioning the premise that "all vaccines are dangerous and detrimental". Perhaps there are certain vaccines that may have positive effects that outweigh their risks, even though for most modern vaccines it seems to be the other way around.
I think one of the major things that I need to do to be of service on this forum is to show people what I have learned about vaccinations, their history, and why I now believe that they are entirely unnecessary - and even, ultimately, detrimental to health.
Using the search function I found several threads that mention the name, "Antoine Bechamp", and the best I've seen was a post by hiker in this very thread way back on page #209, post #3122:
Coronavirus Pandemic: Apocalypse Now! Or exaggerated scare story?
Some possible questions all of this raises are: Is this this the "big one" economic collapse that was prophesied awhile back? If so, what should one do with one's money in these "last days?" (I suspect the answer is going to be pooling as much as possible in FOTCM community projects) Is the...cassiopaea.org
Has anyone here ever really researched the theory of pleomorphism? hiker writes a good intro. Louis Pasteur was a contemporary of Bechamp, and his "germ theory" of disease was eventually elevated over Bechamp's assertions that if one simply takes care of oneself, gets the proper nutrition and physical care, then they will never get sick in the first place because their immune system is designed to prevent illness at all times.
In retrospect it's easy to see why Pasteur won out. It's pretty hard to make money off of people who never get sick.
I recently read an excellent book, which I would say is a "must read" (and which I will write a review for one day), that details what happened to Bechamp, Royal Raymond Rife, Dr. Wilhelm Reich, and Gaston Naessens – four men, over a century apart in time, who made the same discoveries using ultra-powerful light microscopes they designed; and based on their very similar findings with those microscopes they developed cures for diseases that, instead of changing the world for the better, made the Medical Industrial Complex go out of their way to destroy THEM:
That book is one of the best red-pills ever written, especially for doctors. The author was Christopher Bird, who wrote “The Secret Life of Plants” in the 70’s.
And as for the ultra-powerful light microscopes that those four people designed that supposedly broke the laws of physics? They exist even now, and are for sale. Here's a link to Grayfield Optical, which makes light microscopes capable of resolutions as great as 8000x (Naessen's, as well as Rife's, scopes were capable of far more than that):
Introduction
High resolution optical microscopes with enhanced depth of field, magnification and color contrast for living samples, without staining or oil-immersion needed.www.grayfieldoptical.com
With these microscopes, it is possible to view living organisms in real time at resolutions previously only achieved by electron microscopes. What those four scientists discovered was a whole other world, and what they saw was consistent among them. Basically, what they saw was the interface where thought becomes manifest in reality. Get Naessen's book. Heck, I have an extra copy I'll gladly donate to the farm's library if asked!
The west has been wrong about the cause of disease ever since the days of Antoine Bechamp and Louis Pasteur. This is an excerpt from an excellent two-part article that explains what has happened to the medical field, and why it won’t change until the current medical establishment is exposed for what it is:
“…in a compromised terrain (e.g. human body), today’s bacterium can be tomorrow’s terrain-poisoning yeast, fungus, or mold. Pasteur denied that bacteria could change their form. Only the unchanging, specific germs of the air were the cause of disease, he said. Béchamp, on the other hand, never denying that the air carried germs, maintained that airborne forms were not necessary for disease. Pasteur wished to establish that we must be invaded (and therefore be protected by profitable vaccination). But the true scientist showed that an independently living element, which could morbidly evolve, already exists in all cells of the body, and showed evidence that it is all that is needed for the appearance of symptogenic organisms. The body naturally has within it the factors and potential necessary to produce the symptoms of disease, including microorganisms. It means we also have the innate ability to become, and to stay, healthy.
Whether Pasteur or Béchamp is correct may still be an issue for some people. It does seem unusual, though, that Antoine’s name, and the controversy itself, have been omitted from history, medical and biology books–even encyclopedias. Given the magnitude and number of Béchamp’s discoveries, it is more-than-likely that this omission is more than oversight. The historical assassination of Antoine Béchamp resulted in medical science drawing conclusions from a half-truth. This has meant untold misery for the human race, especially in the West. The resulting concept of diseases as entities that attack us is highly questionable and is a major block to resolving health care issues today.
The odd thing is, Pasteur himself was reported to have admitted on his deathbed that, “Claude Bernard was right–the microbe is nothing, the terrain is everything.”
In addition to all of the above, there is yet another book that I highly recommend, by Dr. Suzanne Humphries, called "Dissolving Illusions":
That book as of this post has almost 940 reviews, almost all of them five-stars. Here is a link to Dr. Humphries' website, where she has posted several interesting articles and videos:
There is an entirely different world out there that has hardly been explored, with those who have done so having had their lives and careers ruined for exposing it, but which has consistently shown that much of what passes for supposed knowledge in the medical field these days is outright fraud.
Simply put: if you take good care of yourself, eat right and exercise, and take care of your mental acumen as well,
YOU CAN NOT GET SICK. PERIOD.
Thanks for sharing @Ketone Cop, I've read about Bechamp in different places and the books you mentioned are on my reading list, so perhaps I need to bump them up. I've read Weston Price (Nutrition and Physical Degeneration) and Francis Pottenger (Pottenger's Cats: A Study in Nutrition) and they come to similar conclusions. I am a licensed acupuncturist, so I've studied both biomedicine and Chinese medicine and I think Chinese medicine's naturalistic model of the body may be similar to Bechamp's idea of the "terrain". We look at the body as an ecosystem and we look for holistic symptom patterns and treatment typically aims to mitigate symptoms by correcting the underlying imbalance.
For instance a person with certain types of chronic digestive symptoms might be diagnosed with "Excess Dampness" based on their symptoms, and the treatment strategy would be to "Dry Dampness" or "Drain Dampness". The analogy is to soil used to grow crops: if it is too dry the crops will wilt, if it is too damp the crops will get moldy and rot, etc. The therapies that are used tend to be broad spectrum herbal formulas and acupuncture, which stimulates the body's innate healing response, so in many cases it isn't necessary to know what specific organisms are present for the therapy to be successful.
Having said that, we also make a distinction between "external causes of disease" and "internal causes of disease". So there's room for epidemic diseases that spread from person to person, even though they may manifest differently in different patients (ie it may effect one person's lungs more while attacking another person's sinuses) and in different geographical areas (in a more humid area the symptoms may be different in an arid area).
What I'm driving at is that even if Bechamp was correct and the terrain is more important than the "bugs", it seems that there is still a relationship between them. A good example might be H. Pylori. The research who discovered the relationship between H. Pylori and stomach ulcers supposedly proved his theory by drinking a cultured batch of the bacteria, developing ulcers himself and then curing himself with antibiotics.
I want to believe that concept, but my personal and clinical experience doesn't support it. It's not that simple. I think that the idea that the body can be healthy and heal itself given the right nutrition and support is absolutely correct, however I haven't met anyone yet who has found the secret health formula that leads to 100% immunity to disease. I've tried all kinds of different diets, supplements, herbal formulas, etc, as has this forum as a collective and after 4+ years of school and 2+ years in practice, probably 4-5000 treatments to 3-400 patients I can tell you that EVERYONE I've met has something going on. Nutrition and lifestyle are important but it is NOT the only factor when it comes to disease.
My two cents at least.
Like I said above in response to hlat's post, I'm not looking for free lunch, just wonder if its not so black and white as you say. It could be that some vaccines effect the body's terrain, to borrow Bechamp's concept, in a positive way that makes the individual more resistant to disease in general. Gaby mentioned that some studies indicate that the BCG vaccine stimulates and strengthens the immune system in some way that has a lasting effect, so its an interesting thing to look into OSIT. And I agree with what you wrote about the insane vaccination schedules, WTH?
Thanks for the links @nature
Yes lots to read! Thanks for sharing your personal experience. I also had my shots when I was a kid, MMR, DPT, etc. I was born in the 80s so I know that the vaccine schedule was much less aggressive back then. I never had BCG or Smallpox to my knowledge however, so I'm going to research those to vaccines and see if I want to get them.
I agree with what you've written, it does seem that he is at least being used by powerful, dark forces and he could be directly, willingly possessed. However, he is a public-facing and very visual figure, so I was speculating that maybe he drinks his own koolaid so to speak. In other words his mask seems to be at least partly that he appears to believe in his "I'm going to save the world with vaccines" shtick and since he's one of the "elites" that we can see, I'm wondering if maybe the evil that you describe is largely working through him while he is more like a salesman who has the job of convincing everyone that its for their own good. If he believes his own BS that would make him a more effective salesman, OSIT.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that I think we're on the same page and arguing about the details.
Charade
Jedi Master
I guess it's my turn to rant a bit...
I'm having a really hard time with "just sitting back and watch the show". Ever since this started, I've felt that I need, and I want, and that it's my 'mission' to fight these developments with every fiber I have in me. I'm angry at all of those lying and greedy bastards who are 'cooking the books' and cheating to further their evil agendas. I want my children to have the chance to grow up in a world that at least resembles how it was like before all this started (even if that wasn't perfect either). I'm reminded of the famous quote ""The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" and what Haffner described in his Defying Hitler.
There's of course not that much that I can do, but I devote a considerable amount of time every day to think deeply and theorize about the situation and the details, follow the developments, find good arguments and facts, and share those by tweeting from several accounts and translating SOTT-articles. We've been publishing on our local SOTT-page like never before, and we're slowly gaining new readers. I know that these things don't have much effect, and I sometimes wonder if it's worth the time, but as I said, I can't just sit and do nothing. Maybe I'm becoming too worked up and I should take it more easy?
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Aragorn, many of your posts have been insightful to me over the years on many different topics. In these times, remember to stay the course. Thank you for your contributions. The effort and knowledge spread is worth it.
I'm having a really hard time with "just sitting back and watch the show". Ever since this started, I've felt that I need, and I want, and that it's my 'mission' to fight these developments with every fiber I have in me. I'm angry at all of those lying and greedy bastards who are 'cooking the books' and cheating to further their evil agendas. I want my children to have the chance to grow up in a world that at least resembles how it was like before all this started (even if that wasn't perfect either). I'm reminded of the famous quote ""The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" and what Haffner described in his Defying Hitler.
There's of course not that much that I can do, but I devote a considerable amount of time every day to think deeply and theorize about the situation and the details, follow the developments, find good arguments and facts, and share those by tweeting from several accounts and translating SOTT-articles. We've been publishing on our local SOTT-page like never before, and we're slowly gaining new readers. I know that these things don't have much effect, and I sometimes wonder if it's worth the time, but as I said, I can't just sit and do nothing. Maybe I'm becoming too worked up and I should take it more easy?
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Aragorn, many of your posts have been insightful to me over the years on many different topics. In these times, remember to stay the course. Thank you for your contributions. The effort and knowledge spread is worth it.
nature
Dagobah Resident
Very interesting observations, PoB!
Here how I see it:
These symptoms evoque intracranial hypertension rather than infection. Infections trigger a cytokine storm, a reaction of our body to the presence of virus, which in turn gives some reactions in order to bring back cells in their normal state. Our body doesn't work against us, it tries to bring back equilibrium with the means at its disposal. Why hypertension of a fluid? To push water and minerals in the cell. Our celles lack hydratation and minerals. Hypertension in the extracellular fluids is aimed at providing cells with water, because water helps detoxify, pull toxines out of the cells. An acidic body makes cells dehydrated and unable to detoxify, thus hypertension.
From that, we can see the importance of helping our body with alkalin agents, like sodium bicarbonate. Someone brought here an info about chloroquine being a drug that decreases cells' acidity.
About other neurological conditions: As I went back to work, I confirm having seeing such problems. We are allowed, during lockdown to see only urgencies, and yes, there were several cases of anosmia. I also saw more facial palsy than usually. What is different from usually, is that these deficits recover much more easily, in shorter time. I currently don't have any explanation to why the recovery time is shorter, but as revovery is complete and rather short, we can think it's not a direct attack on neural tissue (neural disruption is much long to recover) but an inflammation: not viral encephalitis but reactional encephalitis or neuritis.
These neurological symptoms are not due to viral attack on brain or on neurons per se but to inflammatory reactions of the body triggered by the interaction between immunity system and viruses. Then the inflammation molecules (like cytokines and other molecules) released give symptoms. Anosmia is due to inflammation on olfactory neurons as they are located in nasal mucosae, in the nasal airways (at the roof), ie in the way on the entry of viruses in our body).
Finally, treatment should focus on helping cells: especially detox, i.e. alkalinize, hydrate, mineralize. Many of you reported articles about doctors treating with vit C, or chloroquine+zinc. Zinc helps alkalin agents go inside cells. These observations go in the sense of helping cells rather making war to viruses.
Having at home vit C, sodium bicarbonates, zinc, herbs (elderberry, aronia, astragalus, etc) is life saving for futur epidemics and for avoiding going in doctors' hands (unless gravity signs).
nature
Dagobah Resident
On epidemics
I don't have scanner, so I took a photo. Will give you some pages too, as said in a previous post.
This morning I was sent an article from the NYT about the increased number of dead in New York relative to other years, which I am trying to debunk.
Deaths in New York City Are More Than Double the Usual Total
By Josh Katz and Margot Sanger-KatzApril 10, 2020
www.nytimes.com
Since they were kind enough to list methodology:
About the provisional data:
As reported here this includes cases where a body merely tested positive for Covid-19, not whether it had anything to do with its death.
Then there was this RT article (reposted to Sott)
www.sott.net
It's likely a large number those dying are also dying because they are being told to stay away from clinics and hospitals unless it's absolutely necessary (which of course delays treatment of health conditions which may escalate rapidly). This was demonstrated here:
Exclusive: New evidence of child deaths linked to ‘stay at home’ COVID warnings
Government's plea as people with serious medical issues are avoiding going to hospital - Cornwall Live
So from this it's clear there's a number of reasons we would expect to see an increase in the number of deaths related to health conditions and a decrease in the number of deaths due to road activity on account of the lockdown. Still a net rise though, with that mass of presumptive cases added to Covid-19's death toll.
I would like to see what they do with such cases in previous years.
It's still a bit harder for me to dismiss some of the information surrounding an increase in the number of pneumonia or influenza deaths relative to other flu seasons. Is it just that we have a flu strain and a coronavirus strain both at large? It appears within the range of the 2017/2018 flu season so that still places coronavirus within the range of a flu mortality, even going by the CDC's P+I expected deaths. Definitely not something to lock down a country over.
It's also possible that NY is an anomalous situation. An increase in mortality may have nothing to do with how deadly the virus itself is but maybe more to do with how contagious it is. A the C's have said, for those who choose to leave the virus is not so deadly. Maybe there are simply larger numbers of people deciding to check out at this time, and the seasonal viruses are just an efficient way to do that?
Antibody study suggests coronavirus is far more widespread than previously thought | World news | The Guardian
Deaths in New York City Are More Than Double the Usual Total
By Josh Katz and Margot Sanger-KatzApril 10, 2020
Deaths in New York City Are More Than Double the Usual Total (Published 2020)
Deaths from all causes have surged, undermining arguments that coronavirus numbers have been overblown.
Since they were kind enough to list methodology:
About the provisional data:
As reported here this includes cases where a body merely tested positive for Covid-19, not whether it had anything to do with its death.
Then there was this RT article (reposted to Sott)
'Presumed Covid-19': NYC corona-deaths suddenly soar past 10,000 after over 3,700 victims added to list... but there's a catch
Coronavirus deaths in New York City have spiked by over 3,700 after officials tacked on a group of victims merely suspected of having the virus. The city joins a growing list of sites counting "probable" cases as infected. The additional deaths -...
www.sott.net
It's likely a large number those dying are also dying because they are being told to stay away from clinics and hospitals unless it's absolutely necessary (which of course delays treatment of health conditions which may escalate rapidly). This was demonstrated here:
Exclusive: New evidence of child deaths linked to ‘stay at home’ COVID warnings
Government's plea as people with serious medical issues are avoiding going to hospital - Cornwall Live
So from this it's clear there's a number of reasons we would expect to see an increase in the number of deaths related to health conditions and a decrease in the number of deaths due to road activity on account of the lockdown. Still a net rise though, with that mass of presumptive cases added to Covid-19's death toll.
I would like to see what they do with such cases in previous years.
It's still a bit harder for me to dismiss some of the information surrounding an increase in the number of pneumonia or influenza deaths relative to other flu seasons. Is it just that we have a flu strain and a coronavirus strain both at large? It appears within the range of the 2017/2018 flu season so that still places coronavirus within the range of a flu mortality, even going by the CDC's P+I expected deaths. Definitely not something to lock down a country over.
It's also possible that NY is an anomalous situation. An increase in mortality may have nothing to do with how deadly the virus itself is but maybe more to do with how contagious it is. A the C's have said, for those who choose to leave the virus is not so deadly. Maybe there are simply larger numbers of people deciding to check out at this time, and the seasonal viruses are just an efficient way to do that?
Antibody study suggests coronavirus is far more widespread than previously thought | World news | The Guardian
If the retirement homes were closed and the people were still dying that means that either the quarantine is not working or the numbers cannot be trusted. The number of unconfirmed cases is just too much:
Of the total of 5,683 people, 47% died in hospital, 51% in a residential care centre, 0.4% at home and 0.4% elsewhere. The hospital deaths are all confirmed cases. The deaths in residential care centres were both confirmed (4.1%) and suspected (96%) cases.
Number of new hospital admissions falls | Coronavirus COVID-19
On Saturday 18 April, 1,313 new cases were reported. Of these, 693 live in Flanders, 473 in Wallonia and 132 in Brussels. We have no information as to where the other 15 cases live. This brings the total number of confirmed infected people to 38,496. For the rest, the situation is as follows: A...www.info-coronavirus.be
