Coronavirus Pandemic: Apocalypse Now! Or exaggerated scare story?

[wmu9]

RE: Nextdoor.com

You're right but with the caveat that it can be pretty disheartening. It's mostly the programmed people who don't think for themselves who are on there. At least in my neighborhood.

I've been it on it a long time. At first there was a chorus of what some of us called "based" -- that is people who believe in the tradition of self-responsibility, freedom, life, liberty and property. There would be long arguments, etc with the collectivist cowards. But now, the collectivist have won out by persistence. And the "based" folks who used to defend common decency disappeared. That is the irony and source of decline of social media, the collectivists win by censorship and persistence. (I write this, with my account here still unable to post unless moderated, so ponder that in context).

 

[Corvus]

If you take into account the latest move of Trump against Soros and other critters from the swamp, this can be true. Since we know that this is a big hoax and it is a planned action, I believe that the Balkan leaders were informed and instructed what to do and how to behave.
In the last 2 months, all their fascistic measures were very coordinated.

The guy I work at the checkpoint works as airport police and as there is no air traffic they are needed elsewhere and he said that when all this corona hoax was beginning there was steady delivery of cash every day for a week on airport when it is usually random and there are security guards as an escort but now there was swat, so to me it seems as a pay off.

 

[Aeneas]

France extends health emergency until July 24 as Europe mulls lifting lockdown restrictions

France’s minister of health has announced an extension of the public health state of emergency until July 24. The country was placed under emergency on March 24 due the Covid-19 outbreak.

www.rt.com

The situation in France is pretty epic since the government has to face now to his scary tactic while he tries to explain the unlock down measures for the 11th of May.

In fact, the scary tactic worked so well that according to a recent poll, more than 60% of interrogated people think that it's too soon to unlock people... And most of the citizens think that it's too dangerous to send children to school at this date...
Moreover, many employees are afraid to come back to work and public transport companies in big cities as Paris, say that they will be able to offer 20% max of their capacity if they want to respect the imposed security measures. As many fear to be aimed by law pursuit, they threatened to close their activity...

I wonder how France is going end up with the wish by the government to extend the lockdown until the 24th of July and I think that polls have to be taken with a grain of salt as always. The government can come up with any percentage of support they wish so as to justify their lockdown. There is probably a wish to keep the lockdown for as long as possible so as not to have to face the wrath of the French population as things are slowly starting to hurt.

It reminded me of Macron wishing to preside over a Jupiterian presidency.

What might a "Jupiterian" presidency be?
19 May 2017

When Emmanuel Macron said he wanted to be a "Jupiterian president", all commentators saw it as a return to the monarchic republican tradition of the leader above the fray...

He might have had his reasons for this, not least to be far removed from the people. Certainly the French people are being repressed and as the C's said (if I remember correctly) then the repressed creative energies goes into the earth which can cause earth changes. What if Macron and thus France also has a Jupiterian wake up call? If we also consider cometary impacts as part of this, then what I was thinking of was the Schumacher event which happened in July 1994 when 21 cometary fragments were observed to hit Jupiter.

If such a Jupiterian event happened, it could be bad for France which has many nuclear power stations. Needless to say it would cause much suffering and not just in France.

(L) Well, long ago, you once predicted that France would experience a nuclear attack...

A: Yes

Q: (L) Uh, is that kind of like back on the table now?

A: Yes

Q: (Perceval) Could that be natural in the form of an earthquake that causes some kind of a problem at a nuclear power station?

The answer to the last question was redacted.
This is 5 years ago, but cometary impacts could still be on the cards also over France.

 

[Iain]

And thats the biggest problem everywhere. Highly credentialed and "successful" are the ones who will spread the government and MSM programming without ANY critical thinking and the rest will look up to them. Which is only natural because they have "nice" jobs and they enjoy their lives in societies that are actually bursting with huge problems and total un-sustainability.

Absolutely agree.

Whether intelligence or IQ comes into it or not, there are a great many of these 'successful' types who just follow the narrative and avoid any critical thinking.

Working in a laboratory means I am very often around many so called 'scientists', but the incredible lack of critical thinking, creativity or curiosity had me baffled for many years. This was probably one of those things that actually helped me become more aware of what is going on in the world.

I was amazed at just how little actual science was going on – just these characters with Phd's following the same old models time and time again. Where was the curiosity, the invention? Very little of that, just follow the models laid out by various government regulators, tick the required boxes – rinse and repeat. How did no one notice as numerous pharmaceuticals/vaccines were removed from use due to their obvious side effects? How did this not change anything?

This is not to say that they are all like that, just the vast majority. Those who do question and try to further science at best have a very long and difficult road to change anything (and this would of course involve push back from big pharma and the regulators, let alone colleagues)...

Quite a lot of these 'highly credentialed' types also come across as highly arrogant types, especially if their models and routines are challenged. They are qualified, therefore they know best... This is also often displayed when the question of pharma/vaccine safety comes up – to them there is no issue there. They will most often only take into account or site papers supporting their stance from within big pharma. Anything outside of that is discredited without question.

As you say, these are often the ones who spread the propaganda – they go to the conferences, they share their work around (within the echo chamber) and occasionally, they end up advising the government or appearing as a talking head on the news.

 

[Mandatory Intellectomy]

To assume you've got the golden ticket because your diet is good does not seem like a safe assumption.

Interesting assumption you speak of. Who made it?
I said "you can still counter the effects", not "you can avoid all its effects".
I said "If your body is generally healthy, the vaccines are unlikely to do you much harm", not "If your body is generally healthy, the vaccines can't do you any harm".

Notice how most people are vaccinated and most of them aren't dying from it or really having any problems because of it. I never said vaccines can't do any harm. I'm only saying that just because you get vaccinated doesn't mean it's gonna ruin your health. Damage from vaccines, while definitely real, is still more the exception than the rule. And mitigation of ill effects is possible. That's all I'm saying.

There are quite a hefty number of people who ended up with some form of autism after being vaccinated who would disagree with you.

I said "And the vaccines will not be able to modify your or my behaviour", not "And the vaccines can not modify anyone's behaviour". Also clarified in "Sure, it may work well on the standard morons, but not on us."
And when talking about 'behaviour modification', I thought we were talking about somewhat different things than autism. Like increased obedience and such. Maybe I misunderstood something.
But speaking of autism, do you know of anyone who got autism from vaccines at the age of 40+? I've never heard of adults getting autism from vaccines, only children. (Not saying it's impossible.)

Again, this seems like wishful thinking. It's highly unlikely the 'good virus' is going to end up being the one used in a mass-produced vaccine, not to mention the multitude of factors that may change its effects, (difference between contracting it through the respiratory system versus having it injected directly into the blood; adjuvants and additives, etc.) Again, we don't really understand what causes adverse reactions to the vaccine so we can't know how to counteract it for sure. We're not completely in the dark, we've got some stuff to try if it comes down to that, but it's not a non-issue.

Again, I never said it was a non-issue. I'm just saying that there are many unknowns, and even if you get vaccinated, it doesn't mean everything's lost. We know there are poisons in vaccines, but we also know you can detox at least some of that stuff (or not be visibly affected at all). And really, most people are vaccinated, so the chances that it would cause you serious harm are statistically very low, especially when you're not an infant with an immune system still forming.

If I haven't made it clear enough that I don't think anything good about vaccinations, here it is. I don't. It's crap, it doesn't 'work', and I'd never take one if I can help it. But I also don't think that if we somehow end up getting one, our life is necessarily over. All there is is lessons. Getting vaccinated and dealing with the consequences just may be one of them. If it happens, the lesson exists for a reason. No need to panic.

Also, from everything the Cs have said, it does appear the role of consciousness in these matters is really bigger than anyone understands. Our options in this regard are largely unexplored.

Though, as far as I can tell, if you panic from the possible effects of a vaccine even before you get one, your chances of suffering ill effects are likely to increase. A positive attitude is not the same as wishful thinking and assuming nothing can happen to you.

Therefore, to assume that the will is sufficient to annihilate the effect of a substance in the body remains very risky.

It certainly is risky. Has anybody made that assumption?

It seems like a lot of people are reading something I didn't write. It's almost as if people are assuming I'm assuming something that I'm not assuming, even though I didn't say anything to the effect that I am assuming those things. (OK, the last sentence was mostly just to confuse you.)

I will have to wear a mask from next Monday while working as it concerns all those working on public transport.

This is so weird. We had the masks from the beginning, but why are other countries implementing them now that it's basically over? There's absolutely no purpose to the masks at this point. The curve has been flattened. There's nothing else to achieve. It's like, "Now that the pandemic is over, let's all start wearing masks, because... uhh, well... let's just wear them, OK?" Seriously, what the hell...

And as Mikovits pointed out, the masks only make things worse. You inhale back the CO2 you exhaled, you amplify the virus load you have because the air you exhale goes back in, and you isolate yourself from the natural environment, thus weakening your immune system, increasing the chances you'll get sick once you stop wearing the mask. This is just criminal at this point.

 

[Seamus]

RE: Nextdoor.com


I've been it on it a long time. At first there was a chorus of what some of us called "based" -- that is people who believe in the tradition of self-responsibility, freedom, life, liberty and property. There would be long arguments, etc with the collectivist cowards. But now, the collectivist have won out by persistence. And the "based" folks who used to defend common decency disappeared. That is the irony and source of decline of social media, the collectivists win by censorship and persistence. (I write this, with my account here still unable to post unless moderated, so ponder that in context).

Thanks for your input wmu9, that does seem like a common theme on social media sites.

FWIW this forum is not a social media site so the rules here are a bit different. This forum is not a social media site and it is not an unmoderated comments section. We value open discussion and sharing of ideas, but we also value polite discourse and a degree of consideration for the other members of the forum. The rules we follow here are laid out in the Forum Guidelines that all are encouraged to read when they join the forum. Generally if your account was placed on moderation after you've been here for a while its because you posted something that goes against those guidelines.

If you were placed on moderation and not immediately banned that means that you are being given a chance to continue interacting here as long as you modify your posting behavior.

 

[Corvus]

Karens gonna Karen

More seriously though, the determining factor in rejecting the Covid narrative is not IQ or education, it is personality. If anything, the highly credentialed are more likely to go along with this, as I've observed amongst my own professional circle. Such people tend to take their cues from other "smart" people. This leaves them highly susceptible to manipulation: simply tell them "smart people believe this", and they'll go along with it, because they don't want to be thought stupid by their "smart" friends.

Worked with global warming; works with this.

As I see it today s intelligence is mostly based on mathematics, logic and these qualities are promoted by society because they are needed for system to function and for the manipulation to keep going on, but also most of these people lack other qualities like critical and cognitive thinking, openess not mentioning emotions so they are no better then very efficacious machines, their whole identity is this status they accomplished and without that there is a hole, they are like non existent without it because there is nothing other. And when you give them some simple out of box questions and perceptions they are lost like little children. And most of them are cowards.

Were it not mentioned in one of sessions that prisons are mostly full of souled individuals and that OP s do not end there because they are well adjusted to society and sucesfull, in other words they are always obedient, so when you think about how come they made it under all those circumstances that make you depressed in first hand you do not have to think much further, there is nothing to cause depression and other uncomftarable feelings that come only when their ass is on the line.

 

[Persej]

If you take into account the latest move of Trump against Soros and other critters from the swamp, this can be true. Since we know that this is a big hoax and it is a planned action, I believe that the Balkan leaders were informed and instructed what to do and how to behave.
In the last 2 months, all their fascistic measures were very coordinated.

I don't think they knew. At the beginning of the pandemic our President behaved like there is nothing to worry about, just like many other leaders in the world. You can see the same with Trump, Boris Johnson, Macron...

On the other hand, Nadal knew about it in February:

Rafael Nadal was told by billionaire Microsoft founder Bill Gates in February that the coronavirus would become "complicated", according to the Spanish tennis player's uncle Toni.

The coronavirus pandemic has brought sport, including tennis, to a standstill around the world, with Wimbledon cancelled for the first time since World War II.

Rafael Nadal and Roger Federer played in the Match in Africa in February and Toni said the 19-time grand slam champion was warned about coronavirus by Microsoft co-founder Gates.

"When my nephew was playing in South Africa in February, he spoke to Bill Gates and he told him that what was happening in China was going to get complicated," Toni Nadal told Onda Cero on Thursday.

Coronavirus: Bill Gates told Rafa Nadal Covid-19 pandemic would become "complicated"

Bill Gates warned Rafael Nadal in February that the coronavirus would become complicated.

en.as.com

Nadal confirmed that (translation):

Nadal also recalled the words Bill Gates had given him.

"It was a private conversation my uncle unfortunately posted. But it was certainly between us and I don't like to talk about it. He understands how the world works. I took it seriously when he told me that he thought that we wouldn't be able to travel three months after (Nadal and Gates talked at the beginning of the year). That was all he told me. I thought he was exaggerating, but unfortunately, reality says that was not the case," Rafa explained.

 

[Persephone]

I wonder how France is going end up with the wish by the government to extend the lockdown until the 24th of July and I think that polls have to be taken with a grain of salt as always. The government can come up with any percentage of support they wish so as to justify their lockdown. There is probably a wish to keep the lockdown for as long as possible so as not to have to face the wrath of the French population as things are slowly starting to hurt.

It reminded me of Macron wishing to preside over a Jupiterian presidency.


He might have had his reasons for this, not least to be far removed from the people. Certainly the French people are being repressed and as the C's said (if I remember correctly) then the repressed creative energies goes into the earth which can cause earth changes. What if Macron and thus France also has a Jupiterian wake up call? If we also consider cometary impacts as part of this, then what I was thinking of was the Schumacher event which happened in July 1994 when 21 cometary fragments were observed to hit Jupiter.

If such a Jupiterian event happened, it could be bad for France which has many nuclear power stations. Needless to say it would cause much suffering and not just in France.


The answer to the last question was redacted.
This is 5 years ago, but cometary impacts could still be on the cards also over France.

There were some protests on 1st May in the main French towns but I admit I was disappointed to see them (when compared to some demonstrations in USA or Germany).
Trade Unions called for protests on social networks, Yellow Vests called for demonstrating at the window, people taking to the street were mostly keeping safe distance...
And most disappointing their claims:
"Masks for the entire population, with priority given to healthcare personnel", "Massive testing of the entire population", "Suspension of bills and rents during confinement", "More money to hospitals"...
I wonder if they all believe in the narrative or if they were afraid to speak their minds. Where are those French people who fought for freedom?

 

[Zzartemis]

Man charged after confrontation over a mask inside Giant Eagle
Updated: 7:50 PM EDT May 4, 2020
MONROEVILLE, Pa. —
A Giant Eagle customer posted a video online, showing himself involved in a confrontation with employees inside the Monroeville grocery store, because he was not wearing a mask inside.

"They're all just saying get out of the store, get out of the store, and as you see me filming, I'm backing up out of the store," said Nick Conley.

Conley said the encounter took place Friday, while he said he was attempting to show the employees a note from his doctor excusing him from wearing a mask.

When Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Wolf ordered masks be worn inside businesses, he allowed for an exemption for those who suffer from a medical condition. But private businesses can also set their own policies.

Giant Eagle spokesperson Dick Roberts said Conley appeared to have an agenda. He sent the following statement regarding options for shoppers who cannot wear a mask:

At Giant Eagle, we are committed to safeguarding the health and well-being of our Team Members and guests, while creating a safe and comfortable environment for everyone.

Upon learning of the Governor’s recent safety order, we made the decision to require all Giant Eagle, Market District and GetGo Team Members and guests to wear masks or other face coverings when working or shopping in our Pennsylvania stores.

We have numerous options in place to best support guests who report a medical condition and appropriately bring it to the attention of store leadership. This includes offering to have one of our Team Members shop for them, suggesting use of our Giant Eagle curbside pickup and delivery service, and offering courtesy masks to those able to shop while wearing one.

Conley said he wasn't aware of the options when he says he was confronted and pushed.

"The guy in all black comes up to me, grabs both parts of my chest and at that point I had had enough," said Conley. "I pushed him off of me and said don't touch me, don't touch me, that's the third time you've assaulted me. I'm tired of this, and that's as I was backing out of the store."

Conley left, but is now charged with disorderly conduct and simple assault.

"I did scream a little bit but that was just because I had had enough after being assaulted three times," said Conley.

Conley said he is now seeking legal action.
SOURCE (video of incident at top...this is near my neck of the woods...store nazis!)

https://www.wtae.com/article/man-charged-after-confrontation-over-a-mask-inside-giant-eagle/32369173

 

[Persej]

Don't put all your money in startups. Big guys are also in the game:

Pfizer Inc (PFE.N) and BioNTech SE (22UAy.F) said on Tuesday they have begun delivering doses of their experimental coronavirus vaccines for initial human testing in the United States.

The U.S. drugmaker and German partner said if the vaccine proves to be safe and effective in trials, it could potentially be ready for wide U.S. distribution by the end of the year, shaving several years off the typical vaccine development timeline.

The vaccine, which uses messenger RNA (mRNA) technology, has the potential to be among the first vaccines against the virus that has infected more than 1 million people in the United States and killed some 68,000.

There are currently no approved treatments or vaccines for the new coronavirus, though some drugs are being used on patients under an emergency use authorization.

The U.S. study is part of a broader, global program already underway in Germany, where BioNTech is based. Dosing there began last month.

Moderna Inc (MRNA.O) is using similar technology for its vaccine being developed along with the U.S. government. Phase I testing of that vaccine candidate has also begun, with mid-stage trials planned in the current quarter.

Pfizer said last week it hopes to receive emergency authorization from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration as early as October, and could distribute up to 20 million doses by the end of 2020, with an eye toward producing hundreds of millions of doses next year.

“Even going from a few million to 20 million will allow you to protect the epicenters of the virus, and then drive out the virus from our society as we ramp up to hundreds of millions,” Pfizer research chief Mikael Dolsten told Reuters in an interview.

Using synthetic mRNA technology can enable the vaccine to be developed and manufactured more quickly than traditional vaccines, the companies said.

Pfizer said last week it expects to make safety data on the vaccine available by late May.

The trial will initially aim to test different dosing regimens of four potential vaccine candidates on around 360 healthy volunteers divided into a younger cohort and a group of seniors.

The trial will expand to more subjects after researchers determine which compounds and dosing regimens are most effective, said Kirsten Lyke, a director at the University of Maryland’s Center for Vaccine Development and Global Health, which is participating in the trial.

Doses have already been administered to some volunteers at NYU Grossman School of Medicine and the University of Maryland School of Medicine.

Pfizer plans to expand the trial to sites across the United States in early July, and may ultimately enroll more than 8,000 participants, a company spokeswoman said.

If successful, the U.S. clinical trial would be one of the fastest ever progressions of a vaccine from early stage studies to regulatory approval, compressing a development process that often takes as much as a decade to just over 9 months.

“This is the equivalent of doing phases one, two and three of a typical clinical trial but all compressed into the May through October time frame,” Lyke said.

BioNTech is producing the vaccine for the trials in its European manufacturing facilities. Pfizer is investing in developing its own manufacturing capacity for the vaccine, and is preparing sites in Massachusetts, Michigan, Missouri and Belgium to begin producing it.

Both companies will jointly commercialize the vaccine, if approved.

Pfizer, BioNTech set to begin U.S. coronavirus vaccine trial

Pfizer Inc and BioNTech SE <22UAy.F> said on Tuesday they have begun delivering doses of their experimental coronavirus vaccines for initial human testing in the United States.

www.reuters.com

So it's possible that we will have a several producers, but they will all use the same mRNA technology.

 

[Yupo]

I confirm your observations, Yupo and Elohir. I didn't do Laura and MI's poll, but asked orally the questions in a conversation with some of my patients. It's disapointing, because you see how people are blind and in illusion. The majority responded
- yes to the accuracy or not of these measures
- more measures, like not allowing schools to be opened before september because "schools are the place where there is most promiscuity" most of people said
- the best thing to do to protect yourself? "mask, gel, and distancing"
- do you fear this virus? yes
- is this virus the most dangerous you saw? All said "yes", and when you give the number of deaths of flue from 2017, they don't hear it. And when I say that finally we didn't have the millions death annouced, they reply "it's thanks to the measures" !!!
- do you personnaly know someone who have the covid? 2 said yes. One of them had her husband, and herself neither children have been infected. Yet, she believes the virus is very dangerous! "it's because he kept mask and distancing at home, didn't take lunch with us, I cleaned the objects each hour with gel etc"
Any of my patients see the agenda of the PTB behind this, despite the strong protests against Micron's reform just before lockdown.
Only one person said me that this corona narrative is the PTB's tactic to shut us up, it was before the lockdown. But since the lockdown, I haven't seen any other critical thinking from patients, and even less from health workers though they see their hospital nearly empty.
On the other hand I see few patients (only 3/ day) so it's not completely representative, but not far.

Ditto with me at the office. I'm only seeing a few cases a week now. One fellow came in, said it was urgent, but he really had nothing like an urgent issue. I sensed that the primary issue with him was just abject loneliness. He seemed just desperate to get out of the house and converse. He was in an age group that might not use social media much. Mentioned that he did not believe a thing on TV because all of it was very inconsistent day to day. In general, I'm seeing a few people that find it tiresome, but most are thankful and 100% behind the lockdown. I mentioned to one fellow (just for the sake of his not fearing so much that NC was opening back up for business) that there was nothing to compel people to patronize any of these (selfish) businesses.
Really, I fail to see how one would be any more unsafe getting a haircut from a small establishment than they would be in shopping at a large grocer.
I am not using the poll. I'm just taking the pulse of my community when the subject comes up.
I encourage good nutrition and some sunshine.

 

[Zzartemis]

Man charged after confrontation over a mask inside Giant Eagle
Updated: 7:50 PM EDT May 4, 2020
MONROEVILLE, Pa. —
A Giant Eagle customer posted a video online, showing himself involved in a confrontation with employees inside the Monroeville grocery store, because he was not wearing a mask inside.

"They're all just saying get out of the store, get out of the store, and as you see me filming, I'm backing up out of the store," said Nick Conley.

Conley said the encounter took place Friday, while he said he was attempting to show the employees a note from his doctor excusing him from wearing a mask.

When Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Wolf ordered masks be worn inside businesses, he allowed for an exemption for those who suffer from a medical condition. But private businesses can also set their own policies.

Giant Eagle spokesperson Dick Roberts said Conley appeared to have an agenda. He sent the following statement regarding options for shoppers who cannot wear a mask:

At Giant Eagle, we are committed to safeguarding the health and well-being of our Team Members and guests, while creating a safe and comfortable environment for everyone.

Upon learning of the Governor’s recent safety order, we made the decision to require all Giant Eagle, Market District and GetGo Team Members and guests to wear masks or other face coverings when working or shopping in our Pennsylvania stores.

We have numerous options in place to best support guests who report a medical condition and appropriately bring it to the attention of store leadership. This includes offering to have one of our Team Members shop for them, suggesting use of our Giant Eagle curbside pickup and delivery service, and offering courtesy masks to those able to shop while wearing one.

Conley said he wasn't aware of the options when he says he was confronted and pushed.

"The guy in all black comes up to me, grabs both parts of my chest and at that point I had had enough," said Conley. "I pushed him off of me and said don't touch me, don't touch me, that's the third time you've assaulted me. I'm tired of this, and that's as I was backing out of the store."

Conley left, but is now charged with disorderly conduct and simple assault.

"I did scream a little bit but that was just because I had had enough after being assaulted three times," said Conley.

Conley said he is now seeking legal action.
SOURCE (video of incident at top...this is near my neck of the woods...store nazis!)

https://www.wtae.com/article/man-charged-after-confrontation-over-a-mask-inside-giant-eagle/32369173

Found the man's video he posted on YT.

 

[Persephone]

This is so weird. We had the masks from the beginning, but why are other countries implementing them now that it's basically over? There's absolutely no purpose to the masks at this point. The curve has been flattened. There's nothing else to achieve. It's like, "Now that the pandemic is over, let's all start wearing masks, because... uhh, well... let's just wear them, OK?" Seriously, what the hell...

I wondered about this too, because this is also what happens in France. The reason given: to avoid a big spread and a possible 2nd wave after the end of the lockdown. At the same time they say "the problem is that we have not reached herd immunity"....

 

[Yupo]

Found the man's video he posted on YT.

Looks like low-grade assault to me.