Coronavirus Pandemic: Apocalypse Now! Or exaggerated scare story?

[SOTTREADER]

The fear programme has been running since the advent of TV

OMG! The tune below on vaccines is different. The guy days healthy adults don't need a vaccine unless they are in high risk situations or unless they are immuno compromised... My my my, this man didn't get the memo!

 

[nicklebleu]

Maybe just one little suggestion for change/improvement from my side would be to replace the the Google reference 'Ewwgle' with 'Gaagle', as it makes it easier to make the connection (remember that, at the very best, we are still dealing with half asleep folks here) and in this case the (intended) reference to 'gagging' adds an even nicer touch IMHO.

How about ‘Oogle’? That would be an appropriate description!

oogle
a migratory pack animal that drunkenly stumbles onto your porch and sets your couch on fire. they are the uninvited guests who throw inappropriate things (i.e. veggie oil, pressure treated lumber, spray paint cans, someone else's full beers) into a bonfire. while under your roof, they will talk shit on "house punks" while their shitty dog attacks your dog. the term crosses subcultural boundaries; includes hippies, punks, metalheads, ravers, etc

 

[Zzartemis]

5G people claim that there are no such thing as viruses,

This is not reflective of the work of the larger group of anti 5G activists.

 

[SOTTREADER]

Interesting...

The 1957 flu pandemic sounds like it was more devastating than covid... That's a short version vid below. Towards the end he mentions why quarantine would have been ineffective.

Here's the longer original version

 

[Zzartemis]

This was published back in March of 2020. It is an analysis of the 1918 Spanish flu. The deaths were very real and surviors and witness interviews are included. One woman states that baking soda kept her family from getting sick...nice since the forum has a thread on it.
Also brought up is that evidence shows that the US military sent infected soliders (all from the same base) on a ship to release in Europe.
I listen to the host of this show, Matt, and his thoughts on reality when I need a break from the news. Anyway, the following is interesting and informative....and gives examples of predictive programming, even as far back as 1918.

 

[Joan]

Yes, I'm cautiously optimistic as well, but also know that things will take unexpected turns (as always). One thing that is on my mind lately is that as much as a part of me wants to see "heads rolling" for this, and once the cat is out the bag go around saying "I told you so, you idiots", this doesn't seem like a wise approach. Instead I will try to be there for people in humble ways, help them slowly make sense of it all, in their own way and at their own speed. Or just be there and listen, not blaming them or calling them names. I'm not going to be some kind of leader of the new movement or something, but try my best to be genuinely helpful on the spiritual plane. Should it come to that (that the truth will prevail and everyone is kind of forced to see it, which is a big IF of course), I think it's good to remember that our home is the Divine Cosmic Mind, and not the material world of self-rightousness, personal gain or societal status. It's a time to keep some of our drives and reactive emotions in check, OSIT.

Thank you for this post, Luc, that is also the way I feel, that the we will see a population emerge, from whatever country in a state of PTSD. Life as as we know it will ever emerge again. The Plexiglas screens in stores will remain forever. it makes me think that to be so efficiently installed was no accident. The separation of one from another, a constant reminder, we must keep our distance.

Many people will be grieving, loss of a loved one, without the customary celebrations for end of life. Now only available to a select few members of immediate circle. The spiritual support of others the offers of condolence and help , considered no longer necessary. No hugs, no support,

Those that have lost employment, with a family to support, to provide. Government handouts only last so long, and at the end of the year, those handouts will be taxable. Children traumatized for life, not obvious now but later when the real impact of social devastation will hit.

As you say, the only thing we can do, is to offer support on a spiritual level, listen, offer support in whatever form that may take, and what one is able to give, in essence, give with our being. Simple acts, listen, give a hug, hold a hand while listening, wipe tears away, offer stories of how we or another has coped in times of life changing events.

And for gods sake if they are wearing a mask tell them to remove it!
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How can one relate to another when a mask is in place, offer the reason why, the immune sytem, the effect of stress on the immune system. But most importantly, to look upon another persons face to read the sorrow, anxiety and loss. How can we do that as a human being wearing a mask. Another dehumanizing factor, to mask human emotions. How the PTB love that, they have no conception of human emotions, they want to form our mind just like them.

 

[Persej]

Before the PlanDemic there was a huge pushback to 5G. Globally citiy populations were organizing to keep out of their towns and were sucessful. This forum has not concentrated much on 5G.

There were worldwide protests against many things. Green measures, GMOs, migrants... All of that is a part of their plan. So it's not like 5G is the ultimate destroyer of humanity. It's just a part of it. And I think that if every group believes that their center of activism is the major one, and if they also believe in many lies, then they will be prone to disintegration and blocked from working together.

This is not reflective of the work of the larger group of anti 5G activists.

That's good, but there is certainly a tendency to merge these two views, so anti 5G activists should be careful about that.

 

[Ruth]

I'm thinking lately that the PTB may not be counting on vaccinations to achieve control of the people. I mean at this point the cat is too far out of the bag on that plan. Maybe this is why the C's alluded to Bill Gates being a scape goat. It wouldn't surprise me if they have some other plan to control people that's in the works while everyone is focused on the vaccine issue.

Just a thought

I think the control issue is a 'mask' of sorts. I really think this is a cull issue. Evil's always going to go multiple steps worse than they appear to most people.

 

[Ruth]

“Sniffer dogs that can detect asymptomatic coronavirus carriers could screen 250 people an hour” Coronavirus sniffer dogs could screen up to 250 people an hour

I wonder if they'd be more accurate?

 

[SOTTREADER]

#SavetheNHS trademarked 1970

 

[psychegram]

There were worldwide protests against many things. Green measures, GMOs, migrants... All of that is a part of their plan. So it's not like 5G is the ultimate destroyer of humanity. It's just a part of it. And I think that if every group believes that their center of activism is the major one, and if they also believe in many lies, then they will be prone to disintegration and blocked from working together.

Yes. A million times yes. In fact I think your statement contains the seeds of the solution to this problem, as described by Ark in the most recent session:

Q: (Ark) I have a question. I have a certain vision and I would like to know if this is my wishful thinking, or a good thing that I have envisioned. My vision is the following: As a response to pollution and industrialization and so on, we have this emergence of the "Green Parties". Now, my vision is that there will be very soon the beginning of a social movement like Green Peace but AGAINST all these lies. This will explode. People will go into parties fighting against these lies, okay? And it will lead even to social unrest and I see it not in the distant future. Now, is it my wishful thinking, or something like this is going to happen?

A: Expect it.

Imagine a social or political movement dedicated to Truth with a capital T. Non-partisan, beyond left and right. Not focused on the small-t truth about this or that issue, or aimed at this or that policy goal. But rather, a movement against the plague of lies that pollute the minds of humanity.

Such a movement would cross all the political boundaries. It would aim to hold liars of all sorts - in the media, in academia, in business, in finance, in espionage, in government - accountable for their deceptions. To call out the liars, and wipe away the lies with truth.

Such a Truth Movement or Truth Party would have natural defenses against getting vectored in the fashion that all other political movements inevitably do, since that method of attack relies on deception. It would need to have a dedication to Truth be a core organizing principle; members would be required to be truthful themselves, and could be expelled for falling short of this ideal.

Insofar as political goals, removing deception from public life would be the obvious one. Eliminate fake news. Restructure academia so that it focuses again on determining truth, rather than promulgating ideology. Severe sanctions for businesses that engage in deceptive tactics. Recalling politicians who lie.

Such a movement would be a real headache for TPTB. Of course, it would be maligned as a mob of conspiracy theorists, but what else is new?

 

[Zzartemis]

Imagine a social or political movement dedicated to Truth with a capital T. Non-partisan, beyond left and right. Not focused on the small-t truth about this or that issue, or aimed at this or that policy goal. But rather, a movement against the plague of lies that pollute the minds of humanity.

Such a movement would cross all the political boundaries. It would aim to hold liars of all sorts - in the media, in academia, in business, in finance, in espionage, in government - accountable for their deceptions. To call out the liars, and wipe away the lies with truth.

Such a Truth Movement or Truth Party would have natural defenses against getting vectored in the fashion that all other political movements inevitably do, since that method of attack relies on deception. It would need to have a dedication to Truth be a core organizing principle; members would be required to be truthful themselves, and could be expelled for falling short of this ideal.

Insofar as political goals, removing deception from public life would be the obvious one. Eliminate fake news. Restructure academia so that it focuses again on determining truth, rather than promulgating ideology. Severe sanctions for businesses that engage in deceptive tactics. Recalling politicians who lie.

Such a movement would be a real headache for TPTB. Of course, it would be maligned as a mob of conspiracy theorists, but what else is new?

It's already going on! I belong to a lot of boards, communities of the mostly young....and many are linked across different boards too. They are so on top of what's happening. They're forming cells of community in real space, on earth, and connecting across the country and with other countries. They are supporting each other, interviewing members and sharing platforms. I just watched a new video from a young man I met on the Conscious Resistance board; he's from India and started last year doing his own videos. Take a peak and read this part of his website. Maybe not in total agreement with all ideas here but here's the thing, this kid figured out all you will read in less than 3 years. All the work done by early waves of awakened folks helped these youngsters to move rapidly in growing awareness.
And they are motivated!

Anarchy for Freedom India - Welcome to India's Home for Conspiracy Reasearch & Free Thinking.

Knowledge, Sovereignty and True Spirituality

anarchyforfreedom.in

 

[Nachtweide]

I think that's exactly what the plan is. If you don't get the shot, you'll be barred from schools, workplaces, businesses, travel, and possibly rental contracts. Not by law, no; instead it will be a gulag archipelago of 'independent' businesses acting 'out of an abundance of caution' and 'placing your safety first'.

So, you'll be perfectly free to not get the shot, and thus be excluded from employment, education, social contact, and possibly residence.

The intention will be to nudge the population into compliance. But it will be interesting to see what happens if a substantial portion of the population refuses to get the shot. It could result in parallel societies forming, in one of which the oligarchs lose all leverage for control. That would be an interesting form of blowback.

The power of the state was visibly reversed in Germany the last years. In Germany the East German came from the socialist planned economy to democracy and experienced the freedom of the people and the market. Now they are experiencing a return to central administration. The key question would be: How do you change a well-functioning democracy with a free market into a socialist planned economy with "Chinese freedoms". I personally see this as a target for all countries.
Interestingly enough - I can only speak for Germany - it is actually possible to change the form of government without it being directly visible. It started with the introduction of the euro and the dominance of the EU. The control concept was no longer in the hands of the nations but was centralized. The central administration economy put the democratic structure on hold.

What instruments were used? In the beginning, the change came through the financial market. In Germany we heard that Greece is broke. The media and politics told us that Greece had to be saved with enormous amounts of EU money, since the collapse of this economy poses a real danger to the EU and thus to all of us. Greece was "saved" and was in bondage to the financial market. If the citizen had thought, he would have noticed at the beginning that this small economy can never trigger such an earthquake. Since then, this threat has been kept alive. We have to save other countries, otherwise the EU's prosperity is at risk. Basically, the wanted hysteria and panic was only due to the forced voluntary effort to save us. More and more countries fell into the bondage of the financial system. Oddly enough, the problem went away overnight when the appropriate legislation was in place and the money flowed. That was very striking.

The next instrument was the wave of refugees. It was initiated with the instrument of hysteria and panic: Germany has no skilled workers. Our pensions are in danger. At no time was there any announcement that we should let Syrian refugees into our country. The skilled worker question was made public in front of Syria. When everyone in our country was trembling for prosperity, the Syrian skilled workers came and brought us a culture that brought our country into a rather awkward position. And not 5% were actually skilled workers. In addition, there was the influence of group division. All critical people were suddenly brown, Nazis, xenophobes, AFD friends. The state saw that this group could no longer be controlled because they defended their attitude and made others wake up. It was strange that our government immediately noticed in the last wave of Turkish refugees that we had a shortage of skilled workers. It is so unreal that I almost have to laugh. This psychopathic wishful thinking shows that they actually believe that the people's memory can be erased. So ... you can't repeat this twice.

Then came climate change - initiated with hysteria and panic. We will all die and of course man is guilty with his greed. What could be nicer than setting the EU's limit values against this background in the sense of the planned economy, which clearly regulates the market and thus disenfranchises the citizens. Just as everyone wears their mask today and would murder their fellow human beings for the distance, the citizens defended all measures to combat climate change. The little decent citizen saved the climate. They have no knowledge of natural climate change and feel complicit. Climate rescue led to an unbelievable number of laws against people in Germany. All market measures are subject to the federal EU CO2 regulation.

Last measles vaccination. Vaccination is also not compulsory vaccination. Everyone believed that measles lurked behind every tree. And as soon as the law was written, the measles had suddenly disappeared. For me it was a test run. And the people passed it. The stupid people did not even ask why we now have a compulsory vaccination for 4 childhood diseases. Apparently there is no mono vaccine against measles. Of course it exists and of course industry can manufacture it. But why? The simple-minded people swallow everything you ask them to do.

And now we have COVID. Hysteria and panic created fear of death from the invisible enemy. With COVID we are deprived of the next piece of freedom under the guise of saving lives. What awesome manipulation. The state only intervenes directly in personal liberties such as wearing a mask, distance and social life, where it knows that this is accepted by many. A good state ensures the life and protection of citizens. That's why he still has so many followers. At the same time, he cuts all freedom rights over the institutions and companies. The citizen actually has the feeling of being able to decide freely and does not see that he is sitting in the deepest dungeon. And he chose the prison himself.

I don't think they will be able to completely rebuild our system. On the one hand, there are now more and more people who have an idea that something is no longer right here. In fact, the ultimate point may be compulsory vaccination. The public awareness campaign against vaccination is more successful than one thinks. The free market will also rebel as government intervention also jeopardizes capital. Politics are determined by the great monopolists and here there will be strong upheaval and resistance between politics, capital, monopolists and the free market.

 

[Nachtweide]

I don't think they will be able to completely rebuild our system. On the one hand, there are now more and more people who have an idea that something is no longer right here. In fact, the ultimate point may be compulsory vaccination. The public awareness campaign against vaccination is more successful than one thinks. The free market will also rebel as government intervention also jeopardizes capital. Politics are determined by the great monopolists and here there will be strong upheaval and resistance between politics, capital, monopolists and the free market.

What has changed completely is the compulsion to accept unpleasant or unacceptable mechanisms. How has legislation and the market changed here? If I release a law on telemedicine, I allow handling. It is sold to the citizen as a relief and useful. The problem that arises here is the data speed. Now the state says: We would like to implement it, but unfortunately we do not have the technical requirements - the 5G network. If you all agree to 5G, it will make your life a lot easier. Of course, the state knows that many citizens are against 5G, but 5G is also accepted in the course of this interference.
That is exactly what has changed. One offers something with the hint to have to accept something else, which is gladly accepted.
That would be in comparison: The legislator decides the future of the electric car based on the CO2 regulation. Now the market and the buyer come under pressure because the complete infrastructure is missing. In the past, the question of infrastructure was first regulated and the basis created. Then the law came into being.
In this way, coercion is exerted or the acceptance of things that are never accepted as a unique selling point.

 

[Jones]

Australia's Peter Dutton has introduced bill for amendment to ASIO (Australian Security Intelligence Organisation) powers.

This amendment will allow:

- the questioning of 14 year old children
- tracking people without a warrant.
- allows for a judge or administrative appeals member to block a person that is being tracked or questioned from seeking the services of a lawyer.
- if they do allow a lawyer, or the lawyer passes their muster, they can remove that lawyer if the lawyers conduct is disrupting questioning.
- allows for 'hearsay' evidence.

The author of the piece, Greg Barns is a barrister and Criminal Justice Spokesman, goes on to say:

"As a lawyer, one hears and reads stories about colleagues in authoritarian states where such powers are given to and used by security agencies, but one never expected it in democratic Australia."

"While the new ASIO bill builds on the post 9/11 suite of laws that have vastly expanded the powers of the security state in Australia, this particular proposed law takes matters in an even more sinister direction. It deserves our legislators’ full attention, and must not be waved through the parliament as an afterthought to a coronavirus debate."

With Federal Parliament flat out dealing with the social and economic fallout of the COVID-19 pandemic, now is hardly the right time for a government to introduce legislation giving ASIO the power to question 14-year-old children, interfere with the rights of legal advisers, and enable the tracking of individuals without the need for a warrant. But Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton has no such qualms. On Wednesday he introduced the benignly titled Australian Security Intelligence Organisation Amendment Bill 2020.

This proposed legislation represents a further attack on the rule of law in Australia and requires the full attention of a properly-functioning federal Parliament, not one which under current arrangements, fewer members of the House of Representatives and the Senate are attending because of social distancing requirements.

Peter Dutton’s law would allow ASIO to seek a warrant so they can question young people between 14 and 18 if that young person is a target of an ASIO investigation into politically-motivated violence: broad criteria to say the least.

Then there is a serious attack on the fundamental right of a person, whether they be 14 or 40, to choose their own lawyer when they are subject to investigation by ASIO. The bill allows for a prescribed authority, which is a judge or Administrative Appeals member selected by the government, to stop a person ASIO is seeking to question from contacting their lawyer if “satisfied, based on circumstances relating to the lawyer, that, if the subject is permitted to contact the lawyer, a person involved in activity prejudicial to security may be alerted that the activity is being investigated, or that a record or other thing the subject may be requested to produce might be destroyed, damaged or altered.” This power is sweeping and allows for hearsay "evidence" to be used. All ASIO would have to do is tell the judge or AAT member that they have heard from "sources" that the lawyer requested by the detainee is a security risk.

But even if the lawyer passes muster and sits with his or her client, the ASIO officers doing the questioning can have the lawyer removed. The Explanatory Memorandum of the Bill says that can happen, “if the lawyer’s conduct is unduly disrupting questioning. This may be the case where, for example, a lawyer repeatedly interrupts questioning (other than to make reasonable requests for clarification or a break to provide advice), in a way that prevents or hinders questions being asked or answered.” So if the ASIO officers are badgering or harassing a frightened 14-year-old, or asking questions that are completely irrelevant, they have carte blanche.

Under Dutton’s law, not only are their restrictions placed on the rights of individuals and their lawyers but there will be an “independent prescribed authority” established, a judge or member of the Administrative Appeals Tribunal, that will pick a suitable (for which read tame) lawyer to advise the individual when they are in ASIO custody.
As a lawyer, one hears and reads stories about colleagues in authoritarian states where such powers are given to and used by security agencies, but one never expected it in democratic Australia.

Not only does Dutton’s bill impinge significantly on the rights of lawyers and their clients, it reduces independent scrutiny of ASIO’s surveillance activities. ASIO officers will have the power to track individuals and will only have to get the OK to do so from another ASIO officer rather than having to file paperwork for a warrant from an independent judicial officer. This approval can be oral, so long as paperwork is filed two days later. And what sort of tracking technology is allowed? Any technology ASIO “has access to” albeit with the usual toothless caveats about it being “appropriate and subject to strict accountability requirements and restrictions".

While the new ASIO bill builds on the post 9/11 suite of laws that have vastly expanded the powers of the security state in Australia, this particular proposed law takes matters in an even more sinister direction. It deserves our legislators’ full attention, and must not be waved through the parliament as an afterthought to a coronavirus debate.

New ASIO law one more step towards a totalitarian state

Peter Dutton's new bill amendment, which beefs up the powers of security agencies and further diminishes civil rights, would make an authoritarian regime blush.

www.smh.com.au