Coronavirus Pandemic: Apocalypse Now! Or exaggerated scare story?

[Nucifera]

I was thinking about the soap that they put everywhere, at each store, and how they oblige every one on this planet to clean, and clean and clean the hands, the brain-washing idea that it is super important to clean our hands to protect ourselves but also others, and the blabla bla concerning all this idiotie. This, for me, is a sign that the PTB are making us with a compulsive disorder. You bet that before giving orders concerning this damn soap they consulted with psychologues. Our politicians are too moron to decide anything at all for themselves ...

The obsession of cleanness is a sign of the compulsory disorder that now people have.Because it is an obsession, no doubt about it. People are obsess with this soap, they put this soap each time they go to a store without asking themselves if is this ok. They even ask you,in some stores, to put the soap THEN the gloves. People go mechanically to the soap in the bus!!!! And They put people in the stores to monitor that everyone clean their hands with the soap.

Looking for a sense of this compulsory relation with the soap I found this:



It is very interesting the relation between people and the soap. The PTB are making people with a compulsory disorder.

This also is an attack on our immunity, individually and collectively.

Spoiler: Conspiracies

 

[Ruth]

It's important to begin to address this issue and meet it head on. This is pretty definitely where this is all headed as many of you have rightly surmised. I don't think too many of us will get the vaccine under any circumstances, so how will we deal with these issues? Will we be able to claim exemption?

The past couple of years governments all over the world have been trying to remove exemptions. Most likely they want to make vaccines mandatory for adults as well (as in China - which started on Dec 1 2019).

As brought up on the other thread "Vaccines", Andy Wakefields new film provides a legal and historical perspective on where things are at in the US (for Children).

1986: The Act

1986theact.com

The whole point of vaccinations seems to be about profit from populations and control of populations.

 

[JEEP]

So religious beliefs are an exemption.

Actually, based on my experience today, it's highly likely that no compliance will mean no service. A spirited discussion with the eye doctors' gatekeeper boiled down to adhering to directives/orders of the Governor/CDC/American Academy of Ophthalmology, refusal to acknowledge the Lt. Governor's enforcement edict by businesses (“It’s not up to the business to enforce it,” says Lt. Gov. Jon Husted. “We want businesses to be cooperative, we want businesses to advise, we want them to share the rules, but we don’t expect a grocery store clerk to enforce the rules.”), or acknowledgement of the position of the W.H.O. ("the widespread use of masks everywhere is not supported by high-quality scientific evidence, and there are potential benefits and harms to consider") despite the fact that the W.H.O. was the organization that declared the pandemic in the first place. It is useless to pursue a health appointment outside of my county because even Level 1 areas must comply with all health orders which includes wearing face coverings in public. So yes, they have us by the short hairs. Funny that the gatekeeper repeatedly tried to respond with "what you believe" that I immediately cut off with that it wasn't belief but fact. I seriously doubt that anyone has challenged her on the mask requirement as I did and I didn't even bring up everything that I could such as the draconian measures probably meet the definition of psychological torture as defined by Amnesty International or that the government has made propaganda legal. Before I went to the appointment, it occurred to me that TRUTH is the ultimate manifestation of God and lies are of the devil as are those who knowingly promote them. We are in a spiritual war of good vs evil and I have taken up the mantle of Christian warrior which would have been undreamed of only six months ago.

I will make a new appointment locally and by then, should have my faux mask ready to wear. The games have begun and so we must play.

 

[Bluegazer]

He did lose his main channel a couple of weeks back.

I've heard reports where the number of channels they're putting out is increasing. For example this Spanish channel a few days ago:

 

[JEEP]

As previously mentioned, the sh*t is hitting the fan - University of Akron job cuts make the news at multiple sites:

University of Akron cuts 178 jobs as part of cost-saving measures due to coronavirus pandemic

AKRON, Ohio -- The University of Akron’s Board of Trustees voted Wednesday to eliminate the jobs of 178 employees, including 96 unionized faculty, a law school faculty member, 60 staff members and 21 contract employees.

The employees’ salaries and benefits total $16.4 million, according to the university.

University of Akron cuts 178 jobs as part of cost-saving measures due to coronavirus pandemic

The University of Akron’s Board of Trustees voted Wednesday to eliminate the jobs of 178 employees, including 96 unionized faculty, a law school faculty member, 60 staff members and 21 contract employees.

www.cleveland.com

Budget ‘Bloodbath’ at University of Akron

The University of Akron’s Board of Trustees on Wednesday unanimously authorized the elimination of 97 full-time professors out of about 570 total in response to a projected enrollment decline and ongoing budget woes. Some 21 full-timers also recently resigned or retired.

The cuts will take effect starting in two weeks. The university is in the process of notifying affected professors, but their identities are not yet public. No programs cuts were made, per se -- Akron already cut about 80 programs in 2018 as part of a major academic restructuring -- yet some professors wonder how and if their departments will function with so many of their colleagues missing.

Budget 'Bloodbath' at University of Akron

Governing board votes to eliminate 97 full-time faculty positions.

www.insidehighered.com

With Latest Layoffs, U. of Akron Has Lost Almost a Quarter of Its Faculty Since Pandemic Began

The University of Akron plans to cut 10 percent of its total staff, including nearly 100 full-time faculty members — the latest sign that the Covid-19 pandemic is set to take a severe toll on the higher-education work force.

With Latest Layoffs, U. of Akron Has Lost Almost a Quarter of Its Faculty Since Pandemic Began

The university’s president said the new cuts, of 96 unionized faculty, were necessary because earlier ones “were insufficient to design a budget that will sustain” the institution.

www.chronicle.com

As the Virus Deepens Financial Trouble, Colleges Turn to Layoffs

The University of Akron this week became one of the first schools in the country to make profound cuts in the number of full-time professors on its staff. Others might have to follow.

LAKEWOOD, Ohio — Hammered by mounting coronavirus costs and anticipating lost revenue from international students, fall sports and state budgets gutted by the pandemic, colleges and universities nationwide have begun eyeing what until now has been seen as a last resort — thinning the ranks of their faculty.

The University of Akron this week became one of the first schools in the country to make deep cuts in the number of full-time professors on its staff, with the board of trustees voting on Wednesday to lay off about a fifth of the university’s unionized work force to balance its budget, including nearly 100 faculty members.

Other universities have also trimmed teaching positions, although most have limited themselves to those without tenure. This month, the University of Texas at San Antonio laid off 69 instructors, while the University of Michigan, Flint, last month eliminated more than 40 percent of the 300 lecturers who handle a majority of the teaching load on campus. Since May, Ohio University has had three rounds of layoffs, including more than 50 nonunionized faculty members.

The cuts underscore the growing financial crisis sweeping across higher education, which in recent years has struggled with shrinking state support and declining enrollment amid concerns about skyrocketing tuition and the burden of student debt. The coronavirus and signs of declining fall enrollment have only accelerated the financial trouble everywhere including at large state research universities and small liberal arts schools.

As the Virus Deepens Financial Trouble, Colleges Turn to Layoffs (Published 2020)

The University of Akron this week became one of the first schools in the country to make profound cuts in the number of full-time professors on its staff. Others might have to follow.

www.nytimes.com

University of Akron president warns of more job losses if union contract not ratified

Ratification of the proposed contract with the University of Akron’s faculty union is an “imperative,” President Gary Miller said in a video to campus released Friday night, warning that failure to ratify could lead to more job losses.

“If the contract is not approved, we will unfortunately exhaust our precious reserves as we take many, many months, time we do not have, to fight legal battles,” Miller said.

At the same time, he said, the university would have to invoke “faculty retrenchment,” a clause in the existing union contract that allows for the dismissal of faculty due to urgent circumstances.

Miller said that process would be “lengthy” and would “cause many more faculty to lose their jobs than were achieved through the recent board action.”

The board of trustees voted Wednesday on Miller’s recommendation to lay off 178 employees, including 96 union faculty members. Another 84 offered to retire or resign.

Akron Beacon Journal: Local News, Politics & Sports in Akron, OH

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Note: An elimination of previous job openings brings the net job loss up to about 300.

 

[Ketone Cop]

Based on all I've learned, I think the design (of the whole Universe) is more sophisticated than we think. There are always variables, but I don't think things can go completely "wrong" and be "unexpected". They can sure be unexpected for 3D critters, but since time is an illusion and the Cs are looking at us from outside of our 3D sequential time illusion, I think they can 'see' all the options regarding where things can go, so there can't be anything unexpected for them. And for people about to be incarnated, I think they'd have a good idea of what they're getting into, which would include all the possibilities. Either they have someone like the Cs to assist them, or maybe in 5D we have clear enough vision ourselves.

So I don't think things can go 'not as expected' from the point of view of 6D. And even if they take the least likely route, I don't see why it would be a problem. All there is is lessons, and that statement pretty much explains everything. Why would it be a problem if you get harder lessons than you expected? Who ever promised you lessons of only a particular level of difficulty? If there's karma that balances things out in the long run, why would it matter that at any given point you're doing really well or suffering terribly? No experience is useless, and nothing gets lost.

And I suspect that outside of specific lessons, a certain amount of suffering in general is a lesson in and of itself and is needed for one to internalise certain understandings. If you go through years of suffering that seems pointless and leads to nothing specific, you will still learn some things because of that, especially things about yourself. And who knows, maybe sometimes that's just what people need.


If there are more or less endless possibilities, then nothing can "go wrong". What is it you even call "go wrong"? How do you know what's right and how things should go? What makes you think that such a notion objectively exists? In my opinion it doesn't. If there's free will, there's no "wrong". There's just an infinite number of consciousness units interacting in an infinite number of ways, thus anything is possible, and none of it can be "wrong" in any sense I can think of. "Wrong" seems like only a subjective, personal judgement.

4D STS are free to do whatever they want to us. And if we're stupid enough to let them, or worse, ask for it, then that's how it is. There's no "wrong" in that. Against what are you judging what's right or wrong? Isn't it just your personal sense of how you'd like things to be based on your personal inclinations? And if you identify with the STO view, isn't it presumptions to think or feel that STO is right and STS is wrong? I don't think that's how it works. In fact, what would even be the meaning in everything if STS disappeared? Seems like it's a necessary part of the game.


I don't think this line of thinking makes much sense. "more lessons than they ever signed up for in the first place" - so what exactly did you or anyone else sign up for? And what would it mean in terms the development of your soul (or whatever you wanna call it) that you got more lessons than you 'signed up for'?

First of all, I don't think we sign up for 'this and no more than that'. If anything, we sign up for a range of possibilities because due to free will those are always in the cards. So incarnating into an unstable environment with a specific, fixed plan wouldn't make sense.

Secondly, so what if you get more lessons than you expected? If you sign up for some martial arts, you're not signing up for a broken arm, but it may very well happen. So what if it does? It's what reasonably can happen, and it's part of the experience. You can cry about it and call it unfair, but nobody ever said you couldn't break your arm. What sense is there in saying, "I didn't sign up for a broken arm!"?

In pretty much nothing you do you have any guarantee of how much experience or how many lessons you'll get and how everything's gonna work out. And that's kind of the point, imo. What kind of lessons would they be if you knew exactly what's coming? The uncertainty factor is a function of the model, not a bug.

Also, whatever happens in one incarnation on planet Earth is a negligible matter in the scope of things. You go through hundreds (millions?) of incarnations of all kinds. One of them being a bit harsher than the others only seems significant when you're in the middle of it. And everyone probably gets many lessons that they fail to learn from and have to repeat them many times. So any temporary ups and downs aren't all that important in the big picture.

I could also bring up the fact that whatever Americans will face in the coming years, the Palestinians and others have been dealing with all along. Why should Americans (or anyone else) be immune to such fate? There's sex trafficking, child slavery and torture going on now. If it comes on a larger scale, then I'd say it's just an inevitable result of the way this degenerated society has lived for decades (or longer). We've been screwing things up for a long time, and all those 'good people' have been contributing to it. I think it's time for the Universe to reflect it back and say, "well, guys, this is what it leads to".

There is also one difference between people like us and the clueless normals out there that may be worth mentioning. They may be totally unprepared for what's coming, but what matters is where it all will lead to karmically for everyone, rather than what happens just in this life time, and in that sense I think that if you and I failed, our karma would be worse than if these 'clueless' people fail. Our higher level of understanding brings a higher level of responsibility and thus more severe repercussions if we 'fail'. So in the long run, I don't think the clueless people will pay more than they're 'supposed to'.

Of course I cannot say any of the above with certainty, but that is my understanding based on everything I've learned and especially what I get from the Cs' messages. Have you ever seen a hint of something being 'worse than it was supposed to' in anything they've said? It's always like, it'll get bad for some, but that's just a matter of cycles, karma, free will, learning, etc.

I think all this "OMG this is going to be terrible!" is just 3D thinking that we should be leaving behind.

Do you think if any of these things you worry about happen, it will be unfair? If so, could you clearly define why it's unfair?

In practical terms, I think we need to acknowledge that our sphere of influence is limited. Do whatever you can in your sphere of influence, and let the Universe sort out the rest. If you're in the US, you probably can't do anything about what happens in France, so there's little point in worrying about it and being upset about it. If we'll see millions suffering, all we can do is help a few, and mostly only those who ask. Being depressed about the state of things doesn't help anyone, and certainly not you. Quite the opposite.

I wouldn't worry about what random people you don't know deserve. 1. You have no idea what they actually 'deserve'. 2. You can't do much about it anyway, save for a few in your sphere of influence.


lol. Might as well make it a running joke.


Might have something to do with where you are in the learning cycle. Probably you just needed only a little to 'remember', and you had had your share of suffering long before that already. We don't really know how much suffering anyone 'needs'.

Everyone's different, everyone has their role to play in what's coming, everyone has their own lessons to learn on their own level of understanding, and as far as I'm concerned, there's most likely nothing 'unfair' about any of it. We have no idea who deserves what and who signed up for what, and we can't say how things "should be", and thus we can't say if anything is "wrong". At least that's my take.

Thanks IMI, you hit on quite a few things I hadn't considered. In fact, after reading your well-considered and VERY thorough reply I felt a need to take a few days away to try to process what you wrote. I'm still not done. But one thing I have noticed, re-reading my own recent posts here, is that I definitely have been doing work on this thread that belongs in "The Swamp"; and it has been coloring ALL of my posts.

I've been reading "Healing Developmental Trauma" based on a recommendation, and now I'm finally not just reading it by rote but actually incorporating the lessons and seeing where I've been carrying on childhood coping mechanisms even in my responses on this forum. I can see now that many of my most recent shares have been coming from a place where I'm tuning into the "collective" and their feelings of fear and identifying with it as my own even though it's not true; and I've let that happen due to my early circumstances where my very survival depended on my ability to turn into the feelings of adults around me and adapt to them...even though none of that stuff really applied to ME, I took it all on as my own - and it is something I obviously still struggle with.

I had been doing pretty well with identifying my own feelings and separating them from others, but the insane nature of these times and total disconnect from reality with almost everyone I work with has upset my balance. That's not an excuse; I need to work harder. But it is a reality in my every-day world that I have to remember to take into consideration when trying to reach balance.

So I'll take that stuff to the swamp, and just focus on the ACTUAL stuff going on in the world on this thread re: coronavirus from now on, to the degree that I am able. Which was the original focus of this thread, if I remember right...

I'll study your reply later and address it separately soon.

Sorry again for the noise. And thanks MIMI for spending the time you have to set me straight. I appreciate it. - KFC

 

[luc]

And I suspect that outside of specific lessons, a certain amount of suffering in general is a lesson in and of itself and is needed for one to internalise certain understandings. If you go through years of suffering that seems pointless and leads to nothing specific, you will still learn some things because of that, especially things about yourself. And who knows, maybe sometimes that's just what people need.

Great post overall, MI

With regard to the above, I think what helps is to cultivate a spirit of curiosity. It's amazing what such simple "mind ninja" tricks can do - for example, when I'm feeling sick, in a rut etc., I try to switch gears and tell myself: "Isn't it curious how I feel? Isn't it fascinating how I react to this situation, event, thought? Isn't it interesting how I can't think straight if I feel like this or that?" Etc. This helps letting go of anticipation and my ideas about how I want things to be, how I want to feel, how I want the world to be and so on. Instead, from this mindset of curiosity, everything looks like an opportunity to learn something, to extract information and wisdom from, including my own suffering, my own screw-ups, my own pain and so on. Yes, definitely easier said than done, especially if you are in great pain psychologically or physically or both. But it is by using such tricks, by consciously cultivating such a mindset against all your internal resistance and crap, that you become independent of all these often silly mechanical reactions to outside stimuli that make you completely dependent on the whims of life and your random moods. You begin to see everything as a lesson, and you actively help with the process of learning those. And if all there is is lessons, this means seeing reality as it is, and interacting with reality objectively. But well, as we all know, the devil is in the details, big time!

 

[Wisteria]

It's important to begin to address this issue and meet it head on. This is pretty definitely where this is all headed as many of you have rightly surmised. I don't think too many of us will get the vaccine under any circumstances, so how will we deal with these issues? Will we be able to claim exemption?

That's the big problem isn't it? They don't have to make the vaccine mandatory, they can just easily rig it so that you cannot participate in any aspect of public life.

My example: I am one of the many millions who lost their job due to this hysterical overreaction, so am currently dependent on government benefits. Australia already made vaccinating your child mandatory if you want to receive benefits ("No Jab, No Pay"), so I fully expect they will just up the anti with covid.

But in saying that I am still going to do everything in my power to avoid becoming a genetically modified human.

Max Igan might loose his youtube chanell real soon too.

But hes still doing his thing!

Selling The Second Wave to Extend (Keep) the Lockdowns

Thank you for that! I had never heard of Max Igan. I watched a few of his videos last night and I must say that I loved the rant that got him banned. I was like a five year old giggling and clapping gleefully - just because his anger was what I have been feeling so very much and to hear it voiced by another made me feel a little less alone. As is this thread and all of the links and information shared. It is far too easy to feel like you are losing your mind when surrounded and even enveloped by such constant utter madness.

I have to keep reminding myself of the following... It is quite a struggle.

(L) Yeah, I was telling Andromeda the other day... Ya know, the Cs once said that the effects of the Wave would be felt as "hyperkinetic sensate". That means whatever you focus on, whatever emotions get elicited from you or arise within you, can be highly intensified in these times. That's why these people are crazy. They've got all of these wicked dreadful emotions like hate and resentment and self-hatred and all of that sort of thing. They're turning it outward to hate others. I think it's important for us to pay attention to those close to us and to feel positive emotions so that THOSE can be hyperkinetically amplified in some way.

(Artemis) You shouldn't bring what's outside inside...

....I think what helps is to cultivate a spirit of curiosity. It's amazing what such simple "mind ninja" tricks can do - for example, when I'm feeling sick, in a rut etc., I try to switch gears and tell myself: "Isn't it curious how I feel? Isn't it fascinating how I react to this situation, event, thought? Isn't it interesting how I can't think straight if I feel like this or that?" Etc. This helps letting go of anticipation and my ideas about how I want things to be, how I want to feel, how I want the world to be and so on. Instead, from this mindset of curiosity, everything looks like an opportunity to learn something, to extract information and wisdom from, including my own suffering, my own screw-ups, my own pain and so on. Yes, definitely easier said than done, especially if you are in great pain psychologically or physically or both. But it is by using such tricks, by consciously cultivating such a mindset against all your internal resistance and crap, that you become independent of all these often silly mechanical reactions to outside stimuli that make you completely dependent on the whims of life and your random moods. You begin to see everything as a lesson, and you actively help with the process of learning those. And if all there is is lessons, this means seeing reality as it is, and interacting with reality objectively. But well, as we all know, the devil is in the details, big time!

Great advice!

 

[Ocean]

They must be getting desperate!

Questions raised after fatal motorcycle crash listed as COVID-19 death

FOX 35 INVESTIGATES: Questions raised after fatal motorcycle crash listed as COVID-19 death

A person who died in a motorcycle accident was added to Florida’s COVID-19 death count, according to a state health official.

www.fox35orlando.com

 

[Voyageur]

It's important to begin to address this issue and meet it head on. This is pretty definitely where this is all headed as many of you have rightly surmised. I don't think too many of us will get the vaccine under any circumstances, so how will we deal with these issues? Will we be able to claim exemption?

Good one, genero81.

James pinpoints the phrase “‘Your body is a bioweapon’ and it has to be regulated by the state.”

Rosemary Frei has a good talk at 1:05:50 in front of the Board of Health (you can also see it on YT here), so good for her!

Nothing good can come of all this. What a mess.

 

[Color]

Thanks IMI, you hit on quite a few things I hadn't considered. In fact, after reading your well-considered and VERY thorough reply I felt a need to take a few days away to try to process what you wrote. I'm still not done. But one thing I have noticed, re-reading my own recent posts here, is that I definitely have been doing work on this thread that belongs in "The Swamp"; and it has been coloring ALL of my posts.

Hello Keton Cop, MI gave you really good replies, about wider perspective of it all. From your posts I recognize a lot of what I was dealing with in the past, when things weren't even near as crazy as they are right now, which puts back the importance of learning some crucial lessons, before we are able to graduate, into a perspective. All is intensifying to extremes so that people have to decide either to fall even deeper into ignorance or to finally wake up through pain. Time for group thinking is over, either one takes individual responsibility for his/her own life (physical, emotional and mental integration through actions) or goes quickly down the path of disintegration, becoming the 'dream of the past'.

When you need a break from painful lessons I highly recommend reading 'Oversoul Seven' books by Roberts Jane, if you haven't already (you can loan them free for reading online on the archive org). It's great fun and also a reminder how we are seeing only small parts, in our 3D bodies, of the vast spectrum of life/soul existence. Also, when I feel overwhelmed or stuck in black and white thinking about forces of good and evil, justice in this world, I remind myself of one little story I heard few years back. It's from some Indian tales about a soul fragmenting into two personalities and then given the choice. Do they want to live on earth 10 lives as best friends, or reincarnate only 3 times as the mortal enemies and learn the lessons faster. 'They' picked the faster option, instantly!

So, lets learn all we came here to learn, as fast and as best as we can, so that we can finally get out of here!

 

[Sol Logos]

Based on all I've learned, I think the design (of the whole Universe) is more sophisticated than we think. There are always variables, but I don't think things can go completely "wrong" and be "unexpected". They can sure be unexpected for 3D critters, but since time is an illusion and the Cs are looking at us from outside of our 3D sequential time illusion, I think they can 'see' all the options regarding where things can go, so there can't be anything unexpected for them. And for people about to be incarnated, I think they'd have a good idea of what they're getting into, which would include all the possibilities. Either they have someone like the Cs to assist them, or maybe in 5D we have clear enough vision ourselves.

So I don't think things can go 'not as expected' from the point of view of 6D. And even if they take the least likely route, I don't see why it would be a problem. All there is is lessons, and that statement pretty much explains everything. Why would it be a problem if you get harder lessons than you expected? Who ever promised you lessons of only a particular level of difficulty? If there's karma that balances things out in the long run, why would it matter that at any given point you're doing really well or suffering terribly? No experience is useless, and nothing gets lost.

And I suspect that outside of specific lessons, a certain amount of suffering in general is a lesson in and of itself and is needed for one to internalise certain understandings. If you go through years of suffering that seems pointless and leads to nothing specific, you will still learn some things because of that, especially things about yourself. And who knows, maybe sometimes that's just what people need.


If there are more or less endless possibilities, then nothing can "go wrong". What is it you even call "go wrong"? How do you know what's right and how things should go? What makes you think that such a notion objectively exists? In my opinion it doesn't. If there's free will, there's no "wrong". There's just an infinite number of consciousness units interacting in an infinite number of ways, thus anything is possible, and none of it can be "wrong" in any sense I can think of. "Wrong" seems like only a subjective, personal judgement.

4D STS are free to do whatever they want to us. And if we're stupid enough to let them, or worse, ask for it, then that's how it is. There's no "wrong" in that. Against what are you judging what's right or wrong? Isn't it just your personal sense of how you'd like things to be based on your personal inclinations? And if you identify with the STO view, isn't it presumptions to think or feel that STO is right and STS is wrong? I don't think that's how it works. In fact, what would even be the meaning in everything if STS disappeared? Seems like it's a necessary part of the game.


I don't think this line of thinking makes much sense. "more lessons than they ever signed up for in the first place" - so what exactly did you or anyone else sign up for? And what would it mean in terms the development of your soul (or whatever you wanna call it) that you got more lessons than you 'signed up for'?

First of all, I don't think we sign up for 'this and no more than that'. If anything, we sign up for a range of possibilities because due to free will those are always in the cards. So incarnating into an unstable environment with a specific, fixed plan wouldn't make sense.

Secondly, so what if you get more lessons than you expected? If you sign up for some martial arts, you're not signing up for a broken arm, but it may very well happen. So what if it does? It's what reasonably can happen, and it's part of the experience. You can cry about it and call it unfair, but nobody ever said you couldn't break your arm. What sense is there in saying, "I didn't sign up for a broken arm!"?

In pretty much nothing you do you have any guarantee of how much experience or how many lessons you'll get and how everything's gonna work out. And that's kind of the point, imo. What kind of lessons would they be if you knew exactly what's coming? The uncertainty factor is a function of the model, not a bug.

Also, whatever happens in one incarnation on planet Earth is a negligible matter in the scope of things. You go through hundreds (millions?) of incarnations of all kinds. One of them being a bit harsher than the others only seems significant when you're in the middle of it. And everyone probably gets many lessons that they fail to learn from and have to repeat them many times. So any temporary ups and downs aren't all that important in the big picture.

I could also bring up the fact that whatever Americans will face in the coming years, the Palestinians and others have been dealing with all along. Why should Americans (or anyone else) be immune to such fate? There's sex trafficking, child slavery and torture going on now. If it comes on a larger scale, then I'd say it's just an inevitable result of the way this degenerated society has lived for decades (or longer). We've been screwing things up for a long time, and all those 'good people' have been contributing to it. I think it's time for the Universe to reflect it back and say, "well, guys, this is what it leads to".

There is also one difference between people like us and the clueless normals out there that may be worth mentioning. They may be totally unprepared for what's coming, but what matters is where it all will lead to karmically for everyone, rather than what happens just in this life time, and in that sense I think that if you and I failed, our karma would be worse than if these 'clueless' people fail. Our higher level of understanding brings a higher level of responsibility and thus more severe repercussions if we 'fail'. So in the long run, I don't think the clueless people will pay more than they're 'supposed to'.

Of course I cannot say any of the above with certainty, but that is my understanding based on everything I've learned and especially what I get from the Cs' messages. Have you ever seen a hint of something being 'worse than it was supposed to' in anything they've said? It's always like, it'll get bad for some, but that's just a matter of cycles, karma, free will, learning, etc.

I think all this "OMG this is going to be terrible!" is just 3D thinking that we should be leaving behind.

Do you think if any of these things you worry about happen, it will be unfair? If so, could you clearly define why it's unfair?

In practical terms, I think we need to acknowledge that our sphere of influence is limited. Do whatever you can in your sphere of influence, and let the Universe sort out the rest. If you're in the US, you probably can't do anything about what happens in France, so there's little point in worrying about it and being upset about it. If we'll see millions suffering, all we can do is help a few, and mostly only those who ask. Being depressed about the state of things doesn't help anyone, and certainly not you. Quite the opposite.

I wouldn't worry about what random people you don't know deserve. 1. You have no idea what they actually 'deserve'. 2. You can't do much about it anyway, save for a few in your sphere of influence.


lol. Might as well make it a running joke.


Might have something to do with where you are in the learning cycle. Probably you just needed only a little to 'remember', and you had had your share of suffering long before that already. We don't really know how much suffering anyone 'needs'.

Everyone's different, everyone has their role to play in what's coming, everyone has their own lessons to learn on their own level of understanding, and as far as I'm concerned, there's most likely nothing 'unfair' about any of it. We have no idea who deserves what and who signed up for what, and we can't say how things "should be", and thus we can't say if anything is "wrong". At least that's my take.

Right or wrong as a value judgements in the context of learning, I might tend to agree, that's arbitrary. Even how long it takes to learn a lesson is arbitrary, when the lesson is learnt, the destination is arrived at, so how we got there is far less important.

But another way to look at it is that unneeded suffering due to a stubbornness of holding on to being "right" could be labelled as wrong. Why? Because suffering has a tangible impact on ourselves and others and if it can be avoided, it's right in my mind that it should be. Suffering has an objective nature to it, as pain does also. We might argue that we cant judge right or wrong lessons, as all is learning. Try argue that to someone suffering, or convince ourselves of the same and for good reason that comes across as devoid of empathy.

Is a lack of empathy as a result of that kind of hubris, still "right" or righteous? For me, that heads in the opposite direction to the very spirit of the word "right", semantics aside.

 

[SevenFeathers]

should have my faux mask ready to wear.

What kind of faux mask do you have in mind?

 

[SevenFeathers]

There is also one difference between people like us and the clueless normals out there that may be worth mentioning. They may be totally unprepared for what's coming, but what matters is where it all will lead to karmically for everyone, rather than what happens just in this life time, and in that sense I think that if you and I failed, our karma would be worse than if these 'clueless' people fail. Our higher level of understanding brings a higher level of responsibility and thus more severe repercussions if we 'fail'. So in the long run, I don't think the clueless people will pay more than they're 'supposed to'.

If I have principles that I believe in, yet fail to act according to those, is that a "failure" for me? For example, I am strongly against the masks, and even more against any mandatory vaccine. I know they are wrong (for me). If I capitulate, in order to get a paycheck, for example, I would feel like a failure and a hypocrite. Is that a failure for me, or perhaps just another lesson? Random musings at 4:30 AM.

 

[Ruth]

As previously mentioned, the sh*t is hitting the fan - University of Akron job cuts make the news at multiple sites:

Same thing happening here. Not once is the blame being put where it should.

It's the Australian university sector's 'dirty secret'. And 'thousands', like Dash, have been hit

Some of Australia's most prestigious and cashed-up universities are being accused of hypocrisy, as data reveals almost 70 per cent of staff are employed insecurely while "thousands" are laid off as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic.

www.abc.net.au