Crash of German Wings Flight over French Alps

We were having a discussion about this topic at work this afternoon and as mentioned by others, the mainstream media's story was running the show.
I did point out that jumping to conclusions about what happened at such an early stage of the investigation was odd, but the sniggers of "conspiracy theory" were enough to keep me focused on not reacting :)
Anyway, while I'm there sitting at my desk, I got the "urge" to look up Greenbaum and interestingly enough also in the news this week was the following...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/news/spirit-in-the-sky-singer-norman-greenbaum-in-critical-condition-after-fatal-car-accident-10144877.html

hmmm.
 
An interesting article dated June 9, 2009:
From Revolutions
Learn more about using open source R for big data analysis, predictive modeling, data science and more from the staff of Revolution Analytics.

_http://blog.revolutionanalytics.com/2009/06/how-much-of-a-threat-are-meteors-to-aviation.html

How much of a threat are meteors to aviation?
The cause of the crash of Air France flight 447 has not been determined (and likely won't be for some time). The most likely cause is related to the turbulence in the area at the time of the crash, but other possibilities have been suggested -- including, surprisingly, meteor strike. That certainly seems far-fetched as a cause, but John Conway at the Discover Magazine blog Cosmic Variance does some back-of-the-envelope calculations to check on the likelihood of a meteor striking an aircraft.

The math is pretty simple. There are about 3,000 meteors a day of the requisite mass to strike Earth, or about 125 an hour. (Check the article for the sources of this and other such estimates.) Meteors strike the Earth at supersonic speeds, so from the meteor's point of view an aircraft is essentially stationary. This means the chance a meteor (entering at a random point on the globe) hits a given aircraft is determined by the fraction of the Earth's surface covered by the aircraft: about 5.7x10-13 for an average airliner. This is the probability of one aircraft being struck by one meteor. Air France 447 had planned flight time of about 11 hours, over which period 1375 meteors would be expected to fall. So the chance it would have been struck by a meteor during this flight (as calculated by R using the Poisson Distribution) is:

> 1-ppois(0,5.7e-13*1375)

[1] 7.8375e-10


So, about 1 in a billion, give or take. Turbulence is looking like a much more likely cause. Besides, as Phil Plait has noted, this is likely an over-estimate because meteors quickly slow down to terminal velocity, and so a jetliner is more likely to strike a meteor than the other way around. A lower effective surface profile from a head-on collision ... probably need some kind of volumetric calculation ... err ... too hard. But 1 in a billion is a safe upper bound.

But as we've noted before, if you observe an unlikely process enough times and/or for long enough, the chance of it ever happening can become surprisingly likely. Instead of asking about AF447 in particular, let's ask another question: what are the chances that in the next 20 years any aircraft will be struck by a meteor. Assuming, of course, air traffic levels stay constant, meteors are supersonic, entry distribution and flight distributions are uniform -- ok, there are a million assumptions, but it's an interesting back-of-the envelope calculation.

Here goes: at any given time, airliners cover 2 billionths of the Earth's surface. There are 125 meteors an hour, each with probability 2x10-9 of striking some airplane. In 20 years, that's about 22 million independent possible impact events. The chance that every one of those meteors misses every airplane is:

> ppois(0,2e-9*22e6)

[1] 0.956954


In other words, there's about a 4.3% chance of a meteor strike on at least one airliner in the next 20 years. (John Conway used a different calculation but came to a similar result.) That's surprisingly large. To repeat: this is almost certainly an over-estimate, and applies not to a single flight but cumulatively to all flights over a 20-year period. Furthermore, there have been no documented cases of a meteor striking an aircraft so far, so even if it did occur we have no idea what kind of damage it would cause, or even if it would lead to a crash. But it's significant enough that it can't be ruled out next time there's an unexplained air crash incident.

The i think that the odds of this reality today can be doubled (or maybe tripled), given that the article doesn't take into account the unknown's of what the system is hiding.

I think I've left Out a couple of other factors. Any ideas?

The Wave
Comet cluster
Dwarf Star approaches.
Electric Universe and Electro Magnetism
Universal Law and the rules of that Law

24 Hour European Flight Traffic Visualization
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2b06qtqpp4
World Airline Traffic (24-Hour Time Lapse)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsxYClAwZUs
 

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Alana said:
Another airplane situation, this time is Dublin airport:

Ryanair: Planes 'clip each other' on the ground at Dublin Airport
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32143691

No big deal, nothing major happened, but it caught my attention because last year, Oct. 7 2014, the same event took place at the same airport, between 2 Ryanair planes:

http://www.sott.net/article/286928-2-Ryanair-planes-collide-in-Dublin-airport-no-injuries

Well, it might well be that the same absentminded person was giving the directions in both instances from the Air Traffic Control and should be getting fired! but the sense of "a repeat in the timeline" was strong, fwiw.

Add a near miss to the growing list as well:

http://www.thenational.ae/uae/emirates-and-etihad-in-air-traffic-scare-over-the-indian-ocean

An Emirates plane and an Etihad Airways jet were involved in an air traffic incident over the Indian Ocean on Sunday night.

Onboard warning systems alerted the pilots of each aircraft – which were travelling in opposite directions – to the danger of collision. The systems advised one plane to climb and the other to descend.

Both planes – the two flag carriers of the UAE – continued their journeys without further incident.
 
Thanks to Sott i noticed that on 15-16 of march there was an increase of meteor activity across Europe and USA, then on 24/03 the Crash of German Wings Flight over French Alps, then Air Canada flight 624 has crashed on a runway at Halifax Stanfield International Airport in Canada, then power Outages in Turkey, then those bomb writtings in 2 plane's bathrooms, then California power Outages, then the Dublin incident of the 2 planes, then the wild hurricanes across the Europe with strong winds and some earthquake and volcanic activity increasing in the past 2 weeks, so very strange things are happening...
 
Two more incidents:
http://www.sott.net/article/294656-Plane-diverted-to-Boise-Airport-after-smoke-smell-reported said:
A Southwest Airlines flight from Phoenix to Spokane, Wash., was diverted to Idaho after a burning electrical or smoke smell was reported in the passenger cabin.

The plane landed in Boise at about 5:30 p.m. Monday.

http://www.sott.net/article/294655-Plane-lands-safely-at-Allegheny-County-Airport-after-smoke-fills-cockpit said:
Fire crews responded to Allegheny County Airport Tuesday after receiving reports of smoke filling the cockpit of a plane.

According to investigators, the plane landed safely after reporting smoke in the cockpit.

All oxygen masks were deployed on the plane as a result of the smoke, investigators said. The two pilots and one passenger aboard were evacuated.
 
It seems that the flight data recorder now also has been found:

http://www.dw.de/second-germanwings-black-box-found/a-18359190
 
Also on SOTT now from a different source:

http://www.sott.net/article/294669-Second-black-box-from-crashed-Germanwings-A320-found
 
It seems that many smaller aircraft may also be increasingly meeting with mishaps, the following list has been gleaned from the site entitled The Jumping Jack Flash Hypothesis http://jumpingjackflashhypothesis.blogspot.fr/2015/03/event-update-for-2015-03-17.html, for just the last 2 weeks (32 incidents). One can't help wonder if this number and rate of incidents is really a normal state of affairs?

Two missing after India navy plane crashes into sea
http://www.dawn.com/news/1171770/two-missing-after-india-navy-plane-crashes-into-sea

Plane Crash In Verdigris
http://www.ktul.com/story/28606870/plane-crash-in-verdigris

Helicopter Goes Down Off Coast of Taylors Island
http://www.wboc.com/story/28605652/helicopter-goes-down-off-coast-of-taylors-island

Pilot signaled mechanical problem prior to crashing in Inverness backyard
http://www.abcactionnews.com/news/region-citrus-hernando/sheriff-small-plane-crashes-into-inverness-home

One Killed In Small Plane Crash Near Woodward
http://www.newson6.com/story/28583936/one-killed-in-small-plane-crash-near-woodward

Plane goes down in North Carolina, no one injured
http://myfox8.com/2015/03/22/plane-goes-down-in-north-carolina-no-one-injured/

Police ID 2 hurt in plane's hard landing in Sedona
http://www.kpho.com/story/28580262/2-hurt-in-small-plane-crash-in-sedona

Mechanical failure leads to 2-passenger plane crash at airport
http://www.stgeorgeutah.com/news/archive/2015/03/20/mgk-mechanical-failure-triggers-plane-crash-at-airport/

Two injured, two missing in small plane crash in Colombia
http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/913276.shtml

Vehicle Accident in Ireland on Friday, 20 March, 2015 at 04:14 (04:14 AM) UTC.
http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/site/index.php?pageid=event_desc&edis_id=VI-20150320-47414-IRL

Pilot uninjured after plane crashes in Lake County woods
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/pilot-uninjured-after-plane-crashes-in-lake-county-woods/31919620

Pilot dies in Vic plane crash
https://au.news.yahoo.com/vic/a/26737632/pilot-dies-in-vic-plane-crash/

Emergency services called to micro plane crash at Durham Tees Valley Airport
http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/11871090.display/

Uruguay plane crash kills passengers and crew
http://www.dw.de/uruguay-plane-crash-kills-passengers-and-crew/a-18330781

2 Die in crash of air force plane in Ecuador
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2015/03/18/2-die-in-crash-air-force-plane-in-ecuador/

Pilot Unharmed After Plane Skids Off Runway at East Hampton Airport
http://patch.com/new-york/easthampton/police-pilot-uninjured-plane-crash-east-hampton-airport

Pilot dies in plane crash near Hueco Tanks east of El Paso County
http://www.elpasotimes.com/news/ci_27735976/pilot-dies-plane-crash-near-hueco-tanks-east

Two dead in ultra light plane crash in Austria
http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/912860.shtml

No survivors in plane crash
http://www.saultstar.com/2015/03/18/no-survivors-in-plane-crash

Identities of Helena Plane Crash Passengers Released
http://www.khq.com/story/28628032/one-dead-in-plane-crash-near-helena

Plane crash lands at Hooks Airport
http://abc13.com/news/plane-crash-lands-at-hooks-airport/572993/

Plane Takes Off After Emergency Landing on Highway
http://www.wlos.com//news/features/top-stories/stories/plane-lands-highway-20295.shtml

Vehicle Incident in Spain on Thursday, 26 March, 2015 at 10:55 (10:55 AM) UTC.
http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/site/index.php?pageid=event_desc&edis_id=VIV-20150326-47496-ESP

Vehicle Incident in China on Wednesday, 25 March, 2015 at 04:28 (04:28 AM) UTC.
http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/site/index.php?pageid=event_desc&edis_id=VIV-20150325-47477-CHN

Vehicle Incident in Russia [Asia] on Wednesday, 25 March, 2015 at 13:04 (01:04 PM) UTC.
http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/site/index.php?pageid=event_desc&edis_id=VIV-20150325-47481-RUS

Plane lands safely at IAH after reporting engine trouble
http://abc13.com/news/plane-lands-safely-after-reporting-engine-trouble/577643/

Small plane crashes near Stephenville, 2 taken to hospitals
http://www.star-telegram.com/news/state/texas/article16489406.html

Plane makes emergency landing at Van Nuys Airport
http://www.dailynews.com/general-news/20150328/plane-makes-emergency-landing-at-van-nuys-airport

Wreckage recovery: aftermath of Noosa beach plane crash
http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/ultra-light-plane-crashes-water-noosa/2590012/

Four Injured in Small Plane Crash Near Lake Texoma
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Four-Injured-In-Small-Plane-Crash-Near-Lake-Texoma-297941491.html

16-year-old pilot Ryan McCall killed when small plane crashes near airport
http://wtvr.com/2015/03/29/ryan-lee-mccall-teen-pilot-killed-when-plane-crashes/

Small plane crash in Pennsylvania kills 2
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/small-plane-crash-in-pennsylvania-kills-2/
 
Palinurus said:
Also on SOTT now from a different source:

http://www.sott.net/article/294669-Second-black-box-from-crashed-Germanwings-A320-found

Found after they cook it and put it again in place. :halo:
 
Can Won said:
We were having a discussion about this topic at work this afternoon and as mentioned by others, the mainstream media's story was running the show.
I did point out that jumping to conclusions about what happened at such an early stage of the investigation was odd, but the sniggers of "conspiracy theory" were enough to keep me focused on not reacting :)

I find it's best to not say anything, and just listen, see what the dynamic is, you can throw bit's and pieces in now and again, but you can usually find out more about a person by the type of response they give to a uncomfortable fact, and then take it from there, I know it can be a bit frustrating to see the parroting, but you need to keep the eye off yourself, not that you're doing anything wrong by giving voice to the truth, but most people don't want to know the fact's, but some do, you have to pick your battle's.

otherwise you'll just ending up banging your head against the a wall with the madness. :lol:
 
Ellipse said:
Palinurus said:
Also on SOTT now from a different source:

http://www.sott.net/article/294669-Second-black-box-from-crashed-Germanwings-A320-found

Found after they cook it and put it again in place. :halo:

Exactly my thoughts.
 
Seaniebawn said:
Can Won said:
We were having a discussion about this topic at work this afternoon and as mentioned by others, the mainstream media's story was running the show.
I did point out that jumping to conclusions about what happened at such an early stage of the investigation was odd, but the sniggers of "conspiracy theory" were enough to keep me focused on not reacting :)

I find it's best to not say anything, and just listen, see what the dynamic is, you can throw bit's and pieces in now and again, but you can usually find out more about a person by the type of response they give to a uncomfortable fact, and then take it from there, I know it can be a bit frustrating to see the parroting, but you need to keep the eye off yourself, not that you're doing anything wrong by giving voice to the truth, but most people don't want to know the fact's, but some do, you have to pick your battle's.

otherwise you'll just ending up banging your head against the a wall with the madness. :lol:

Yes, i think that with some people it is best to keep silence, and listen. It can be a very interesting experience to see zombies in action.Also, for someone like me that don't have tv, it is like to listen tv without being connected with it.And not paying for this garbage. Hopefully these conversations are short, I have patience but my patience have limits. I don't want to waste time with people that have no brains. Just a little time to give to them, specially if they are friends that I love, but just in the limits. My time and my studies are important. Our time is very important now that things fly very fast around us.

But it is also important to see how people are. In their superficiality. Even if they seem void, it is important to see how they are, without judging, maybe they can change, maybe not. Who knows?
 
Laura said:
Ellipse said:
Palinurus said:
Also on SOTT now from a different source:

http://www.sott.net/article/294669-Second-black-box-from-crashed-Germanwings-A320-found

Found after they cook it and put it again in place. :halo:

Exactly my thoughts.

This story is so rocambolesque. So:

German state prosecutors' office said Thursday that data from the computer of Lubitz suggested that he had researched methods of committing suicide between March 16 and 23, just before the deadly crash in the French Alps.

So are they insinuating to us that Lubitz found a method of suicide that was crashing an airplane? What the hell are they think we are ? :mad: But people believe this story, oh yes. :curse: :jawdrop:
 
He also researched how to lock the cockpit door. Of course, they don't teach that in pilot training. :rolleyes:
 
Perceval said:
He also researched how to lock the cockpit door. Of course, they don't teach that in pilot training. :rolleyes:

I remember reading an article in Wired from the early 2000's where they talked about forensics and how easy it was to fake anything digital so whatever is supposedly on this guy's computer could have been placed there including browser history, etc.
 
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