Crash of German Wings Flight over French Alps

[Seaniebawn]

Also on SOTT now from a different source:

http://www.sott.net/article/294669-Second-black-box-from-crashed-Germanwings-A320-found

Found after they cook it and put it again in place.

Exactly my thoughts.

This story is so rocambolesque. So:

German state prosecutors' office said Thursday that data from the computer of Lubitz suggested that he had researched methods of committing suicide between March 16 and 23, just before the deadly crash in the French Alps.

So are they insinuating to us that Lubitz found a method of suicide that was crashing an airplane? What the hell are they think we are ? But people believe this story, oh yes.

Look's like their sealing the deal, well folks the guy was suicidal what can we say, never mind that a person usually commits suicide, because they feel a burden on the living, but I suppose this pilot was special he wanted to take 150 people to die with him, it's just ridiculous

 

[Siberia]

Whether connected or not, fwiw:

A major incident is currently ongoing at Prestwick Airport after an Italian civilian aircraft with technical issues was forced to land.

RAF Typhoons from Lossiemouth were scrambled to escort the plane after it failed to respond over the radio to air traffic control.

[...]

The aircraft was an Italian C27J that was experiencing technical difficulties with communications equipment.

_http://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/major-incident-at-prestwick-airport-1-3737298

 

[loreta]

All these problems with airplanes lately, accidents of minor consequences but that would have been very dangerous, maybe they are due to suicidal pilots that changed their mind at the last second thank god. . Or maybe is simply that the airplanes are taking revenge.

 

[Joe]

He also researched how to lock the cockpit door. Of course, they don't teach that in pilot training.

I remember reading an article in Wired from the early 2000's where they talked about forensics and how easy it was to fake anything digital so whatever is supposedly on this guy's computer could have been placed there including browser history, etc.

Indeed. They raided his house and grabbed his stuff the day after the crash. So they've had a while to do whatever they want.

 

[sitting]

All these problems with airplanes lately, accidents of minor consequences but that would have been very dangerous, maybe they are due to suicidal pilots that changed their mind at the last second thank god. . Or maybe is simply that the airplanes are taking revenge.

Or maybe the tipping point is tipping. Or has tipped. Either way it's very scary, seeing the previously most safe mode of transport take a dive. Literally.

I just would not fly in this environment.

 

[Esote]

What is right and what is wrong in the accounts about this catastrophe ?
Witnesses have been reported to hear strange noises when the plane flew over them. One guy is supposed to have seen smoke... At the same time in the same place, a close friend of mine was in his garden and didn't hear or see anything... And what about this witness from the Méolans-Revel area, at the other end (north) of these first high mountain ranges toward the south and the west (Estrop-Blanche), who would have seen the plane when it's totally impossible from his location, given the actual crash site.
How could the transcripts from a black box be faked, really ? There is not only one person in charge of it...
Why should the medias always be false ? If the co-pilot was Greenbaumed, what is said might be true to a great extent...
What is sure is that the plane was pulverized in a remote place, killing 150 people. Really sad for sure !

 

[Joe]

How could the transcripts from a black box be faked, really ? There is not only one person in charge of it...

There are only a few places in the world that have the equipment to read the data. I'm sure you can imagine how such data could be faked.

 

[Cosmos]

So now only hours after they suddenly have found the black box we can read this:

Data from the second 'black box' flight recorder belonging to the Germanwings plane that crashed in the Alps suggests that the co-pilot deliberately accelerated its descent, French investigators say.
They say Andreas Lubitz modified the automatic pilot system several times to increase the speed of descent.
The information they recovered also confirms earlier findings that Lubitz deliberately crashed the plane.....

The plot thickens.

Amazing how fast they can analyze the data of this second black box, after it could not be found anywhere for over one week after the crash.

I think the disappearance of that black box and the miraculous appearance of it over one week later further suggest that something unexpected happened to the plane that needed a quick cover up. This scenario could be as follows:

1: Something unexpected happened to the plane and the PTB in order to cover it quickly up, send out a team to get the black box.

2: A "believable" hush up story was created after the crash by the PTB. That explains why the "suicide story" only really got out there after a couple of days. Another clue that the plane crash was not planned.

3: If it was a planned thing, it is likely that the PTB would have replaced the second black box much faster because they would have already a story to which they can fit the data of the plane into that box. They had to wait until the cover story was developed/created and then fake the data of that black box with data that fits into that narrative. Of course that would have needed at least as long as it has taken to create the cover story. First create cover story -> then transfer it to the new black box -> put it back on the crash side. That explains perfectly why it took them so long to find the box. Certainly the pressure from people around the world about the fact that that box was missing could have played a factor too. If it would not have been such a media hype, then maybe they wouldn't have even bothered to let the box appear again.

 

[Andrian]

Thank you Joe for the well written article on Sott about this tragic incident, the EMP as the cause of the crash of the plane it seems pretty possible, taking in consideration that above the crash site it was found some pieces of the plane's fuselage that broke away from the plane before it crashed and then the eyewitnesses accounts about the explosion and the smoke emanating from the plane, if the eyewitnesses are genuine then it may be another tragedy caused by an overhead meteor explosion.

Well we can't be sure obviously, but if we assume that the only thing we can rely on as accurate is the descent of the plane, then that kind of descent is indicative of deliberate pilot action, in a controlled but fast manner, because of depressurization of the fuselage i.e. a hole in it somewhere, or some other critical issue that necessitated a rapid descent to a more "hospitable" altitude.

I think Joe made a very good point here, my current understanding of this tragic accident is that at those 38,000 ft of altitude something happened with the plane that forced the pilot to descend the plane rapidly or the plane was forced to descend rapidly by some unknown force and the pilot tried in vane to take controll of the plane till it impacted the mountain, in such a scenario the PTB's version of the story aka "the pilot's suicide plan" it sounds very plausible. Just a thought...

 

[sitting]

This scenario could be as follows:

1: Something unexpected happened to the plane and the PTB in order to cover it quickly up, send out a team to get the black box.

2: A "believable" hush up story was created after the crash by the PTB. That explains why the "suicide story" only really got out there after a couple of days. Another clue that the plane crash was not planned.

3: If it was a planned thing, it is likely that the PTB would have replaced the second black box much faster because they would have already a story to which they can fit the data of the plane into that box. They had to wait until the cover story was developed/created and then fake the data of that black box with data that fits into that narrative. Of course that would have needed at least as long as it has taken to create the cover story. First create cover story -> then transfer it to the new black box -> put it back on the crash side. That explains perfectly why it took them so long to find the box. Certainly the pressure from people around the world about the fact that that box was missing could have played a factor too. If it would not have been such a media hype, then maybe they wouldn't have even bothered to let the box appear again.

Hi Pashalis,

I like Laura's version.

Maybe something so utterly strange happened, and they got so freaked out--that the cover story began--and has stayed somewhat incoherent. And that they're not even all that worried about smoothing over the story because they're so deeply afraid.

Also I wonder how many of the Germanwing pilots (who had refused to fly) have gone back to work.

 

[WIN 52]

Every time I tried to connect with this event, for insight, the emotional level surrounding it was very strong. Strong enough to make me step back. The emotion felt was that of fear and distress for being not able to do anything, a helpless feeling. Being a very optimistic person, those emotions felt made me draw back.

Yesterday, some understanding came in the form of vision. This may be the first plane, recorded, to be brought down by cometary impact.

I trust that at some point, the C's will bring some clarity to the issue.

 

[Joe]

Hi Pashalis,

I like Laura's version.

Maybe something so utterly strange happened, and they got so freaked out--that the cover story began--and has stayed somewhat incoherent. And that they're not even all that worried about smoothing over the story because they're so deeply afraid.

Also I wonder how many of the Germanwing pilots (who had refused to fly) have gone back to work.

Yeah, I like that one too. But there are 3 possibilities that I can see.

1) Laura's high strangeness

2) Something put a hole in the plane causing the pilots to immediately descend, they then lost control and hit the mountain

3) Someone took control of the plane via the uninterruptible autopilot and deliberately crashed it into the mountain.

 

[Joe]

3: If it was a planned thing, it is likely that the PTB would have replaced the second black box much faster because they would have already a story to which they can fit the data of the plane into that box. They had to wait until the cover story was developed/created and then fake the data of that black box with data that fits into that narrative. Of course that would have needed at least as long as it has taken to create the cover story. First create cover story -> then transfer it to the new black box -> put it back on the crash side. That explains perfectly why it took them so long to find the box. Certainly the pressure from people around the world about the fact that that box was missing could have played a factor too. If it would not have been such a media hype, then maybe they wouldn't have even bothered to let the box appear again.

Or both black boxes were found almost immediately. Remember that for the first week, the only people allowed access to the site was a 15-member team of "military investigators"

 

[Ellipse]

How could the transcripts from a black box be faked, really ? There is not only one person in charge of it...

I remember myself that for an old affair (in France if I remember well), it was proved that the black box was cooked. Some pat of the magnetic tape had been cut.

Why should the medias always be false ? If the co-pilot was Greenbaumed, what is said might be true to a great extent...

The medias repeat what authorities say to them.

This female officer found Germanwings black box on first day on job

[...]shaped a bit like an oversized shoe-box

_http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/female-officer-finds-germanwings-black-box-on-first-day-on-job/article1-1333644.aspx

So the new comer found the box. OK, this just a coincidence.

 

[Esote]

This female officer found Germanwings black box on first day on job

[...]shaped a bit like an oversized shoe-box

_http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/female-officer-finds-germanwings-black-box-on-first-day-on-job/article1-1333644.aspx

So the new comer found the box. OK, this just a coincidence.

The rock there is very instable and gives a lot of debris which cover easily and rapidly what falls at the bottom of the ravines (where are situated most parts of the plane and its content). That's why it will take so much time to recover most of what can be found (and heavy rains could happen, which would make it much worse). So this officer finding the black box on her first day on site isn't that weird...

The scenario where a meteor impact must be hidden by all means (or an accident from some CERN experience, a few hundred kilometers away), sending a secret team to bury a faked black box in this remote area (where there is a constant military presence and where you can hear, for instance, a small stone falling from quite far away), looks very complicated. Even the Greenbaumed scenario is pretty difficult to figure out: for what reason really ? To 'frighten' Germany, France ? Just a trial ?..
Using the principles of the Ockham Razor it appears that the official story is simpler to understand, even if I reckoned that it isn't clear (sometimes it cannot be otherwise given the context). That's why I think it's not a zombie reaction to give it some consideration.
To reach the truth, the distinction between what we wish and what is demands that everything must be scrutinized and shared...