Crash of German Wings Flight over French Alps

Niall said:
Here's an article from last year about Malaysian Airlines Flight MH370, published 8 days after it vanished, discussing the possibility of it having been remotely hijacked. It was assumed at this point that it would surely only be a matter of time before the pane was found.

I'm posting it in this thread rather than the MH370 one because the cyber hack/remote control scenario is probably what happened to Germanwings Flight 9525.

Is missing Malaysian jet the world’s first CYBER HIJACK? Chilling new theory claims hackers could use a mobile phone to take over the controls

Daily Mail, 16 March 2014

_http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2582015/Is-missing-Malaysian-plane-world-s-CYBER-HIJACK.html

A chilling theory suggests the missing Malaysian Airlines plane could have been hijacked using a mobile phone or USB stick.

An anti-terror expert believes the speed, altitude and direction of the aircraft could have been changed, simply by sending radio signals from a small remote device.

A framework of 'codes' created by cyber terrorists would also be able to get into the plane's in-flight entertainment system and override the security software.

It is also believed, once the systems have been successfully hacked, the plane could be landed by remote control.

The theory has emerged as the search for flight MH370 continues to grow, with 25 countries now involved in the rescue effort.

Yesterday, Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak confirmed the plane's disappearance was the result of a 'deliberate act' and could have flown as far as Kazakstan.

Dr Sally Leivesley, a former Home Office official, said: 'It might well be the world’s first cyber hijack.'

Dr Leivesley, who now prepares businesses and governments for potential terrorist attacks, told the Sunday Express: 'There appears to be an element of planning from someone with a very sophisticated systems engineering understanding.'

'This is a very early version of what I would call a smart plane, a fly-by-wire aircraft controlled by electronic signals.'

She added that once the plane is air-side, you can insert a set of commands and codes which can begin a new set of processes.

The 'mobile phone/USB stick' part might have been thrown in to make it seem like absolutely anyone could hijack a plane in this way; the 'terrorist' would need to have 'a very sophisticated systems engineering understanding'...
More importantly than the "systems engineering" is knowing the encryption keys. If you don't have the keys, your knowledge of the system doesn't matter. Unless there is an exploitable software bug, (which I doubt). This is why the NSA stole the SIM card keys. Trying to crack a 256 bit key is hard. Matching a given cell phone with a key is "easy", you just try all four billion stolen keys. After you find one, the next cell phone only has to try four billion - 1 keys. Once you have the key, the phone might as well be unencrypted.Whoever hacked into this plane, has "access" to the keys.

Edit: I just read the slash dot article. My doubt about exploitable software is now much less...
 
Chances are this plane was hijacked via the uninterruptible autopilot system that was most likely on board. Such hijackings are accomplished via satellite.
 
Anonymous Germany spreads their analysis of leaked "blackbox audio recordings" via FB https://www.facebook.com/Anonymous.Kollektiv/posts/885804631465998:4. It's in German, we could translate if necessary. They analyse the audio recordings and come to conclusion that they are fake. Yet they claim that the jet was possibly shot down my French fighter jets. No word about remote taking over of the autopilot. Interesting, eh? ;)

Here are the audio recordings:




You can here computer voice "Pull up", "Pull up". A voice of a flight simulator?
 
Altair said:
Anonymous Germany spreads their analysis of leaked "blackbox audio recordings" via FB https://www.facebook.com/Anonymous.Kollektiv/posts/885804631465998:4. It's in German, we could translate if necessary. They analyse the audio recordings and come to conclusion that they are fake. Yet they claim that the jet was possibly shot down my French fighter jets. No word about remote taking over of the autopilot. Interesting, eh? ;)

Here are the audio recordings:




You can here computer voice "Pull up", "Pull up". A voice of a flight simulator?


Every commercial plane can "talk". It's part of the warning system and is part of the pre-flight safety checks routinely required before every flight. That particular one is "Terrain Terrain Pull Up"
 
waveform said:
I have a picture of this

This picture that I like very much reminded me a serial that, when young, I was very fond: "Voyage to the bottom of the sea." I was in love with a member of the crew, a Polish one. :) You can title this picture:"Voyage to the center of the skies". Did you do the montage of this picture?
 
After listening to the excellent SOTT radio show on the Germanwings tragedy, I was searching for more info on 'Uninterruptible Autopilot Systems' and found this interesting article. It covers quite a lot of the development of these technological systems, and the anomalies surrounding MH370, MH17, along with the hijacked airliners on 9/11 etc.

FLIGHT CONTROL: Boeing’s ‘Uninterruptible Autopilot System’, Drones & Remote Hijacking by Shawn Helton, dated August 7, 2014

http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/08/07/flight-control-boeings-uninterruptible-autopilot-system-drones-remote-hijacking/#comments

On December 4th of 2006, it was announced that Boeing had won a patent on an uninterruptible autopilot system for use in commercial aircraft. This was the first public acknowledgment by Boeing about the existence of such an autopilot system.

The new autopilot patent was reported by John Croft for Flight Global, with the news piece subsequently linked by a Homeland Security News Wire and other British publications around the same time. According to the DHS release, it was disclosed that “dedicated electrical circuits” within an onboard flight system could control a plane without the need of pilots, stating that the advanced avionics would fly the aircraft remotely, independently of those operating the plane:

“The “uninterruptible” autopilot would be activated – either by pilots, by onboard sensors, or even remotely via radio or satellite links by government agencies like the Central Intelligence Agency, if terrorists attempt to gain control of a flight deck.”

CIA ....or other intel agencies with the technical know how.

The NASA Dryden Flight Research Center and the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) joined efforts for a remote controlled flight experiment called the Controlled Impact Demonstration (CID), in 1984....

...The controlled impact operation was outlined as an innocuous flight study for safety but its important to keep in mind that this was one of the first pieces of evidence that a large commercial airliner could be flown by remote uplink and ‘pulse code modulated’ downlink telemetry systems – a full 17 years before 9/11, and 30 years before the apparent disappearance of MH370.

This aforementioned "flight study for safety" or "Controlled Impact Demonstration" was 31 years ago - so imagine their levels of expertise nowadays!

There is also a long held theory that the company Lufthansa, Germany’s state owned airline, had their onboard flight controls stripped from its fleet during the mid 1990′s for fear that the American government could hack into the airline’s autopilot systems

Well, in light of the recent Germanwings tragedy in which an intel coordinated 'controlled impact' seems the most probable cause, it will be interesting to see how many high ranking Government officials / Heads of State opt for stay at home 'conference calls' rather than flying elsewhere for 'in person' meetings. Even those leaders who think they 'tow the PTB party line' may be questioning if that is sufficient enough for their safety.

Putin has been on my mind a lot lately, specifically concerns for his safety, but given his experience and the apparent high quality of his advisers, I would think they would be aware of the technology available to their foes, and 'knowledge protects'.
 
After listening to the excellent SOTT radio show on the Germanwings tragedy, I was searching for more info on 'Uninterruptible Autopilot Systems' and found this interesting article. It covers quite a lot of the development of these technological systems, and the anomalies surrounding MH370, MH17, along with the hijacked airliners on 9/11 etc.

FLIGHT CONTROL: Boeing’s ‘Uninterruptible Autopilot System’, Drones & Remote Hijacking by Shawn Helton, dated August 7, 2014

http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/08/07/flight-control-boeings-uninterruptible-autopilot-system-drones-remote-hijacking/#comments

Thanks Anam Cara for the article link above. Spent much of my morning reading through it and listening to the videos. I have been reading Laura's book 9/11 The Ultmate Truth since the German wings crash. Also listened to Red Ice interview with Rebekah Roth on March 18,2015. She is a former flight attendant that has extensively researched 9/11 from an airline insider point of view. She made mention of Field McConnell's information. And,of course, the C's sessions and Sott articles dealing with airplane topics. All these sources delve into Boeing's Uninterrupted Autopilot System. It was good to go through this article and see a progression of the technology and how long this has been available. The release of such revelations are so incremental. Being able to connect the dots with the fabulous investigative savvy of forum members here keeps me in awe of how much there is to learn and how deep knowledge keeps going. Thanks one and all.
 
Charade said:
Thanks Anam Cara for the article link above. Spent much of my morning reading through it and listening to the videos. I have been reading Laura's book 9/11 The Ultmate Truth since the German wings crash. Also listened to Red Ice interview with Rebekah Roth on March 18,2015. She is a former flight attendant that has extensively researched 9/11 from an airline insider point of view. She made mention of Field McConnell's information. And,of course, the C's sessions and Sott articles dealing with airplane topics. All these sources delve into Boeing's Uninterrupted Autopilot System. It was good to go through this article and see a progression of the technology and how long this has been available. The release of such revelations are so incremental. Being able to connect the dots with the fabulous investigative savvy of forum members here keeps me in awe of how much there is to learn and how deep knowledge keeps going. Thanks one and all.

Me too I am so grateful to this forum for all the information and research that permits us to connect the dots. When talking about chaos, this possibility of connecting the dots is a sort of good vitamins to make face to the chaos. It is protection in front of this chaos.

People I know that believe as god itself what the Main stream media tells them about this accident are really lost. They are like leaves in the middle of a turmoil of dire consequences.

The last "news" are that the co-pilot checked in Internet for information concerning pills of diuretic sort that he put in the coffee of the pilot and the pilot so went to pee... and at that moment evidently Ulrich closed the door of the cabin! :rolleyes: It is not a joke and it is not comic at all. But their imagination is pathetic. Also in some Spanish medias Ulrich is named a serial killer.

Did you know that there was a Ulrich that participated in the Operation Valkyrie.? What a coincidence of names. But maybe Ulrich, a beautiful name, is very popular in Germany.
 
loreta said:
... and at that moment evidently Ulrich closed the door of the cabin!

Hi loreta,

I am a bit confused as to where the name "Ulrich" comes from. The first name of the first officer was "Andreas" ... ?
 
Create a problem.....offer a solution.

Oh my, is this what the German Wings demise was all about.

'Germanwings Crash 'Could Have Been Averted With Military Autopilot System'
http://www.newsweek.com/2015/04/17/military-and-space-kit-could-have-averted-german-crash-320600.html

Germanwings Crash 'Could Have Been Averted With Military Autopilot System'

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The Automatic Ground Collision Avoidance System (Auto-GCAS) last year saved a US Air Force F-16 fighter from crashing after an attack Ints Kalnins/Reuters

Technology that would have prevented the Germanwings plane crash tragedy is already in use by the US Air Force (USAF) and should be used by all commercial aircraft, experts have said.

Newsweek spoke to flight engineers who declined to be named but confirmed that the transfer of military technology to civilian aircraft would have prevented the deaths of 150 victims.

The USAF has acknowledged that autopilot technology, developed jointly with NASA, saved an F16 fighter jet and its pilot while flying over Syria last November, but like most military technology will take “forever and a day” to make it on board commercial aircraft.

The Automatic Ground Collision Avoidance System (Auto-GCAS) was introduced into USAF F16s last year and saved a plane and pilot after an apparent ground-to-air attack. The technology monitors the plane’s position and distance relative to terrain in real time. If the plane is about to crash and there is no positive response from the pilot, an automated piloting system takes over to manoeuvre the plane out of danger.

NASA engineers are currently working on integrating the Auto-GCAS technology into smartphones which could avert controlled flight into terrain crashes similar to the Germanwings crash, but the transfer of such technology from military to commercial aircraft must be sped up to prevent tragedies of a similar nature in the future, says Chris Yates, director of aviation safety and security firm Yates Consulting, based in the UK.

“It’s probable that Auto-CGAS will come into commercial aircraft, particularly in light of what happened with the Germanwings flight, but the introduction of new systems into commercial aircraft takes forever and a day,” says Yates.

Germanwings flight 4U 9525 crashed in the French Alps en route from Barcelona to Düsseldorf, last month, killing all 150 people on board. Prosecutors believe that German co-pilot Andreas Lubitz deliberately crashed the plane. Prosecutors have said that Lubitz had researched suicide methods and the security of cockpit doors prior to the flight and accelerated the plane as it descended.

A potential problem, Yates notes, is the possibility of aircraft under automated control coming into conflict with other aircraft on the same flight route, though he believes such problems could be ironed out.

Auto-GCAS has been developed by NASA, the USAF and aerospace technicians Lockheed Martin over the past 25 years. NASA and Boeing have considered integrating the technology into commercial aircraft, but NASA’s chief Auto-GCAS researcher Mark Skoog says the transfer of technology is being held up by security issues, raising the possibility of tampering with such a system rendering it unsafe.

“While it is possible to transition this system to the commercial airline industry and general aviation community, the level of automation and system isolation required to prevent onboard tampering directly drives the time and effort it would take to bring such a system through design and certification,” says Skoog.

“It would take considerable co-ordination with other federal agencies and the airline industry to bring this technology to the point where it will directly benefit the flying public.”

According to NASA, controlled flight into terrain accidents account for around 100 deaths a year in the US. Such accidents occur when the pilot wilfully ignores cockpit warning systems or is rendered unconscious or incapacitated due to other factors.
 
Stoneboss said:
angelburst29 said:
If you look at the debree field it looked like the plane was thrown through a wood chipper, up and down the whole valley, that does not look like a plane that just hit the mountain.

Consider the Physics formula for "Force" and take the mass of the plane, the velocity, etc. Now the force would be so enormous (Tons) that yes it would be nothing but splattered and embedded droplets... The vids showed recovery crews picking up tiny pieces of remains and placing them in bags. Even a car wreck at certain speeds can be violent enough to cause your red blood cells to rip right through your veins.
Taking into consideration that the media reports (vids) are not fact really makes one ponder the reality of the entire event. The entire thing caused me to be emotional to the point that I was 'Food for the Moon"
 
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